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I have not yet watched the video, but, from what I know of these women, Katherine of Aragon (one of my fav Queens, couldn’t leave her out🫶) and Caroline of Ansbach (so the ones further apart lol). Both of them amazing and strong women, though with vastly different husbands💀
@@HistoryCallingI feel like had Katherine had George II as a husband, she would have been much like Caroline- she didn’t mind Henry’s mistresses, until one came and put her throne and the place of her daughter into question-
None of my business since I'm American, but I held Diana in great esteem for all her work to end HIV and AIDS and the stigma of it, and her work bringing attention to active bombs and landmines that need to be disarmed. Her work was very important, and she was fearless in her actions to help others.
Yes, she really did a lot for someone who died at 36 and I think definitely left the world a better place than she found it, which I hope is some comfort to her family.
I'm going to annoy everyone by😂stating I did not like Diana. However, Catherine is a different story. She is a wonderful representative of the royal family.
@@kathleenevans1201: You might think differently if you knew the truth about Diana, and not what the media put forth. Read Lady Colin Campbell's "Diana in Private: The Princess Nobody Knows."
I really like Katherine of Aragon and I think it’d be an interesting video if you did her life before moving to England as many videos on her start with her arriving to marry Arthur. Another video idea would be Catherine de Medici or Diane de Poitiers. I think their relationship would make a good video.
I have a soft spot for Queen Mary. So many loved ones lost in her life - her fiance, her parents, her husband, three of her sons (and in effect, her oldest son Edward VIII as well, due to his antics)... and yet she remained the glue holding the monarchy together until her granddaughter came to the throne. I think she died knowing that the Crown was in safe hands and Elizabeth would carry on for her, but there sure was a lot of turbulence she had to weather in order to get to that point. That scene in The Crown where she curtsies so painfully to her granddaughter is just heartbreaking.
@@HistoryCalling The Picture of the 3 queens in mourning for the funeral of George VI always sticks in my mind. Alexandra, Mary and now the current Princess of Wales, though Camilla should be in that list
What a fun video! I have always been a fan of Catherine and I think the reason she has been so successful as a Duchess and now Princess is that she is a team player and understands that the role of anyone who marries into the royal family (regardless of gender) is primarily supportive. She has her passion projects and moments to shine but I think she prioritizes being a supportive mom, wife and member of the royal family (in that order) ahead of anything else.
Yes, Catherine understands her role as the wife of a royal and that royal children (like all children) need their parents in their day to day lives. Charles was thrilled with Diana’s popularity until she used it to undermine the rest of the familiy’s work. If Diana was a victim of anything, it was the aristocracy. Lady Glenconner details aristocratic courtship and marriage in the 50s, and it was largely the same in the late 70s when Diana came of age.
Camilla,Catherine and numerous others have understood their role is to support and have never tried to upstage their husbands or be the star of the family Diana sadly wanted to be the star and would upstage everyone
I have a soft spot for Alexandra. Yes, she could be petty and shellfish, but she did her role well and was a model Princess of Wales despite going deaf and other health problems. I think she was the perfect mate for someone like King Edward. Not a perfect marriage by any means, but a decent one given the standards of the time. She was also an underrated fashion icon. Those dog collar necklaces are stunning!
I agree - she was rather amazing when you consider what she put up with from him, and yet he became a decent king and she was a very caring and patient wife to him.
@ ChristineP223 Alexandra spent a lot of time at the Sandringham estate (she disliked London) her grandson, John, who was an epileptic lived at Wood Farm on the estate (the same farm that Prince Philip retired to). Alexandra visited John almost every day that she was at Sandringham.
Do you know why she wore the necklaces ? She had a health condition ( may be thyroid related) which she disguised with the chokers. Very sensible lady.
I have a soft spot for May of Teck, but mostly for her role as queen and queen dowager during the world wars, and the way she and George V modernized the royal role. They understood that in the "new world" after WWI, the monarchy needed to work with non-aristocratic Britons through charitable causes. As Princess of Wales, my favorite is Alexandra. She also was devoted to good causes. And she had the added burden of being alone in the UK (Victoria wouldn't allow her any Danish ladies in waiting), AND having Victoria as her mother-in-law, which couldn't have been easy.
Yes, it's a shame Alexandra isn't more widely known about. She's an interesting figure but a bit overshadowed by Victoria and also because she was only Queen for 9 years.
Thank you. I rarely watch anything from start to finish without skipping ahead a few times. I am either annoyed by or bored due to mindless, empty babble, yet I willingly watched every second of this bit of history. You are very calm, precise, fair and factual, again, I thank you.
Whew! I'll definitely have to rewatch this more than once, HC. Tons of detail. Thanks for this; once again you've grabbed my attention on a subject I wouldn't have given a second thought to until becoming a follower. Great job as always! ❤
Kate is by far my favorite. I was always struck by the shyness, fear, and sadness that was clear in Princess Diana; she always appeared about to burst into tears -- but Kate appears to be having a blast, just a happy looking person who must be fun to be around. I'm pleased to see the UK's next monarchs apparently enjoying a "love match" not a dynasty merger.
Diana was sad, but she wasn’t shy. She understood how to manipulate public perception; it’s why she succeeded in marrying the royal family where her sister Sarah failed.
I hope she makes a full recovery as I don’t wish the misery of cancer or cancer treatments on anyone, but Kate is like a Stepford wife. She does what she is told, goes where she is told to go, stands where she is told to stand, speaks when she is told to speak. She can’t be an example for modern women when she acts like a woman of the 19th century.
So you haven’t heard the gossip about William’s mistresses and the predictions that, before she finally announced that she’s battling cancer, people were suspecting a divorce announcement. They also reportedly have screaming fights. I don’t think either are as happy as they work hard to appear to be.
@@MegCazalet Actually I have noticed signs of a strained relationship, but I've been married nearly 37 yrs, most of those years more or less happy, but a few of them definitely strained, so we went to therapy and fixed it, because we truly love each other and really meant "till death do us part" when we said it. I just hope those two young-ish royals can fix their strains. Tom Petty said it best: love is a long road. Sometimes there's detours and all sorts of mayhem, but if you really work at it, there can be a lot of companionship, and shared goals -- and offspring! Our son is almost 36, and spent his early adulthood crapping up his life as so many of us do, but now is married and seems really happy. Those two royals have those 3 lovely kids, and I'd take a guess that those kids' welfare is uppermost in the thoughts of both Kate and Will.
Thank you for the reminder that the monarchy and the title of Princess of Wales is hundreds of years old and is much more than one woman. As much as I adore Diana, we have to remember that the title cannot be decided or cancelled by social media
Social media wasn't around when it was decided Camilla wouldn't be our princess, she wasn't princess of anything especially not Wales thank you very much.
The 21st century, where the general public thinks they know better than the institution that has been around for 1000 years. The narrator says it best. "Just cause you dont like it, doesnt mean she isnt."
Diana was an attention seeker who wanted to be the star and upstaged our royal family whenever she could and "Princess of Wales" is only a courtesy title
Great video on the Princesses of Wales. I thought that there were many more than 11, and you gave good details of each, including rightly Camilla, giving the reasons why! All 11 are interesting in their own right, but my favourite is Joan of Kent, mother of Richard 11. She had a turbulent life at times, and did well to survive the 1381 Peasants revolt! Thanks again for sharing this video.
Joan of Kent is my favorite, too. And if you go back before Wales became a possession of England I really liked Joan of England, the illegitimate daughter of King John.
I rarely comment on videos, but one thing that really stood out to me was the enormous span of time between Katherine of Aragon and Caroline of Brandenburg-Ansbach. I'm almost surprised that the title survived not being used for so long, and while yes, there were Princes of Wales in that span, these were also few and far between.
I love videos like this that take a look at all the people to hold a title. Lindsay Holiday has done a few, including one on the seven women to have been Princess Royal. Though obviously you're the superior historian, as she's more of an enthusiastic amateur. I really like Catherine and think she's done well as Princess of Wales so far, even if she's not in the media as much as Diana was (which is probably a good thing, actually). She and William seem to be all-round admirable people and great role models. It's nice that children will now grow up seeing a royal family full of happy and stable marriages, people my age grew up seeing a royal family who kept getting divorced.
I wish I'd thought of the Princess Royal one now! :-) Her channel is great, although admittedly I haven't watched in quite a while as I actually don't like to watch the competition as so many of them steal from me which is infuriating (not saying Lindsay has done that by the way, I'm speaking more generally here). I'd love to know how she uses all the copyrighted footage though? Does she pay for it I wonder, or just rely on fair use?
@@HistoryCalling You are an *infinitely* superior historian!! theres no contest. I had to unsubscribe from that other channel for the horrific mispronunciations, factual inaccuracies and kneejerk populism
@@HistoryCallingyes you’re being fairer to Lindsay than I am. And I know I’m being petty and unjust by saying that I find her strong American accent rather grating, which is even more absurd, because I was born in America and retain much of my own North American accent, but it does nevertheless grate as does some of her anti-monarchist musings on the House of Windsor and other royal houses. It’s not a good look for someone who devotes so much time to covering royalty. But I did thoroughly enjoy your (as usual excellent) coverage of the princesses of Wales. It is indeed remarkable that there have been so few associated with the English/British royal family in that vast space of time.
This was a really cool idea for a video, thank you! Like her or not, Camilla had the princess title until the queen died; you can't say she didn't just because you don't like her. It's really surprising there have been so few princesses of Wales throughout the title's existence. Fingers crossed on my end for a Margaret Pole video one day 💙 thanks again for all you do.
I wish some others in the comments were as level-headed as you. I've had my fair share of Camilla bashers already who are very keen to deny reality because they don't like her.
I understand why some people are militantly anti-Camilla, but she was an easy target to cast as the villain 30-odd years ago. She showed decency in actively *not* using the Princess of Wales title and deserves a bit of respect for that.
Catherine of Aragon. She was an impressive woman. I also like Princess Diana. She was a trailblazer on her charitable work. She shook hands and hugged patients with AIDS without gloves. Her work on the land mines was brave. She had a difficult childhood. Despite of her challenges she continued with her charity and philanthropy. I think Kate is doing okay. I heard the UK considers mental illness as a stigma. I’m glad she and William are spreading awareness on mental illness. Thank you for this. Have a lovely weekend.
Yes, the two Catherines and Diana all did great things (although admittedly Catherine of Aragon had to wait until she was Queen to really spread her wings).
@leticiagarcia9025 Diana had divorced parents, which was unusual at the time but she spent nearly equal time with both parents. Other that not being as academic as her sisters, I don’t know what was particularly difficult about her childhood for herself; she was certainly “difficult” in how she treated her mother, stepmother, and household staff.
I have a deep respect for Catherine of Aragon. She held her ground despite everything against her. Poor woman, caught in a world-shaking event. I like this channel. No stock photos, no intrusive music, well-researched facts. Contemporary paintings and artifacts. And the narrator's slight Scottish (?) accent is charming.
Another Great Video HC. I Fell in Love with Princess Diana, Courtesy of My Sweet Grandmother. She & I Watched All the Festivities Surrounding the Wedding of Prince Charles & Princess Diana. I was 9 years old, it's Still one of Many Wonderful Memories We Shared.
Mary of Teck was known to covet things she saw in other people's homes. Where I live, she used to take a walk to see the gardens in the evening after her meal. Upon being invited into the house, her gaze fell on a trinket on the mantle piece. Apparently she commented on how pretty it was, and sat with the householder until the small hours of the morning. The next evening she walked by the house and again was invited to take some refreshments. The compliment was paid about the trinket, and again she sat into the small hours, the householder thought this was just what she did. The next evening she came to the door and asked to be entertained. The householder obliged and Mary again sat until the small hours, again commenting on the beauty of the trinket. The householder was getting a bit fed up of being kept from bed by Mary, but would never ask her to leave. The next evening Mary strode straight to the door, requested entry and was granted. Refreshments were given at this Mary commented on the beauty of the trinket. At which point the householder offered it to Mary. Mary quickly accepted and promptly left the house never to return for refreshments on conversation again. The householder then mentioned this to others around and was told that Mary expected to be given as a gift, anything she took a fancy to in your home. The householder was disappointed to find out that Mary wasn't interested in them for friendship or the quality of their hosting, thinking they were special. It was the trinket she was only interested in. This was why everyone kept their prized possessions out of sight, should Mary come calling. She had been known to sit almost until dawn in the effort to be given something she took a fancy to. That's the Queen Mary of Teck that I am aware of.
That story is just rubbish. Mary did however admire items of furniture and other trinkets. Upon admiring them, the owners sent them in to Buckingham palace where Queen Mary of Tech took possession of them. She was a grifter!
@@margerykirner5604 It's part of the history of where I live. She was known for expecting the trinket or whatever she took a liking to, to be given to her as a gift. You've confirmed that yourself by what you said.
👍 SO interesting. I particularly enjoyed learning more about Mary of Teck, grandmother to QE II, and her situation with the heir then the spare. Am checking now to see if you've done a more in-depth video on her. Thanks so much!
Thank you so much for this very entertaining and informative overview of the Princesses of Wales. It was certainly a revelation to learn that there have been only 11 to date! I already knew that the present king was the one Prince of Wales to have two Princesses during his long wait for the throne, and that his second wife only avoided using the title out of courtesy to Diana, to her bereaved family including her sons, and to her fans. I was also glad there wasn't too long a delay in calling her Queen Camilla. That said, I think Diana and her daughter-in-law are my two favorites, although Joan of Kent was a fascinating figure, possibly even more controversial in her day than some of the later women to bear the title. Catherine really doesn't have Diana's sense of style (she's too matchy matchy, with droopy long skirts, for my taste), but that could be because she wants to show her role as being a serious one in support of her husband, not just an advert for the latest fashion.
Thanks Ann. Yes, Diana certainly left big shoes to fill, but I think Catherine is doing well too and certainly way better than I could ever do. William made a wise choice I believe. :-)
A wise choice indeed! And I imagine Catherine has to deal with changes in fashion that have led to much more casual styles, don't you think? She always has a perfect outfit for a meeting with a hospital board or a visit to a school, but for many of the events she attends, she's the only person in the world who needs to dress stylishly, but at the precise level of formality for that precise event, as precisely the fourth most important person in the BRF (not overshadowing the Queen, but not too casual for her own rank). Quite a fashion challenge!
That was a very interesting video, I would have to say my favorite is Catherine with Diana a very close second they both have and did great work with charities. Thank you HC look forward to nest weeks.
A great video. My favourite has to be the Late Diana, followed by Kate, although Alexandra has always intrigued me and how she managed to stay looking quite youthful, even looking younger than her daughter the Princess Victoria!
I have read that as she began to age, Alexandra had photos of herself retouched before they were published. I've always wondered if people were shocked to see the age difference if they met her in her mature years.
A favorite is a hard choice! Catherine of Aragon was widowed, then treated horribly by her father in law and ultimately by Henry VIII, yet is remembered as a gracious and classy royal. More recently, Camilla has done a great job in rehabilitating her image to a hard working Queen. I don't personally believe she alone destroyed Charles' marriage; that's too simplistic and both had a part in that.
I agree with you on Camilla, although I NEVER referred to her as "The Princess of Wales" even though she technically held the title. I think she had the good sense to not force that use of the title on the rest of us unlike some other people. Catherine however, even though being the current Princess of Wales, will always in my mind be Catherine future Queen of England.
@@LBGirl1988 Hm.. Diana had an history of mental illnesses... I think she wasnt really an very easy person to be with. Especially how she courted the surgeon seemed almost obsessive. The relationship was most likely the tragic result of tragic circumstances
@@Mukkki Try being 19, in love with your one and only lover, hormonal because you're pregnant with his child while he's off cheating on you with another woman , whom let's not forget was also married and had children.
I do so enjoy all of your videos, but rarely comment because I watch them on my TV, sometimes whilst busy with other tasks, and it means I need to locate a device, log in and comment on that separate to watching... so, yes, I am lazy... BUT I had to say THANK YOU! Thank you for acknowledging Queen Camilla's title of Princess of Wales, as so many people think she wasn't just because she chose not to use that title, which speaks volumes about the person she is. I also agree that people who chuck a hissy fit (to use the Aussie vernacular) because they don't like her and don't want her appropriately acknowledged by her titles, just because they have some desperate need to pretend Diana, the former Princess of Wales, was a saint who didn't deserve to have anyone usurp her place on the throne! Don't get me wrong, though - I adored Diana! I was 13 when Charles and Diana were engaged and then married, and she was only 19 when she was engaged, which really did my head in even back then!! I loved her so much and kept scrapbooks about her - her clothes, her family, her royal visits and friends - and I saw her with Prince Charles in Melbourne in 1983 when they toured Australia. Camilla is, however, a devoted, hard working and caring person who has given up a lot to take on her Royal life with her love.
P.S. I told my husband I'd just written this comment and he tried to "correct" me and tell me that the Queen had not given the title of Princess of Wales to Camilla... It is just lovely when an Australian has to keep educating the British member of the marriage the rules and history of the British Royal Family!! 🤣😂🤣
Thanks Magdelena. You're not lazy at all. I watch a lot of YT on TV as well and don't comment for the exact same reason. I'm glad you appreciate me acknowledging Camilla's actual titles as I have of course already had a few feet-stomping 'children' here in the comments denying reality and insisting that she wasn't Princess and isn't Queen, but that's not unexpected. I hope you enjoyed a wee smug smile when you were able to correct your hubby. You are indeed right that Camilla automatically became Princess when she married Charles, just as Diana did (although I don't want to offend your husband by saying that, as I do of course want him to watch my videos too) :-)
Evening HC, Kate is my favourite she seems a warm a very kind hearted lady. A worthy princess of Wales on so many levels, like you HC she is a class act, thank as always 😊👍
Thank you Simon. I'm flattered to be compared to Kate as I like her as well. She does a great job (she's way better than I think I would ever be as a Princess).
@@HistoryCalling thank you HC, your a lady that excells at what ever you put your mind to, Tutor, youtube, maybe just maybe an Author at some point, as I have said your a class act HC. 👏😊
Thanks. Nice overview. I go with Kate. I remember there were some not so nice things said of her in the past. .. glad to see that is no longer so..to my knowledge anyway. Her marvelous smile and obvious sense of humor are clearly her own assets and not just a public face. She is a tough trooper that should not be underestimated. She is a representative person your nation can be proud of. I wish her well.
I love history and your calm voice and beautiful narrative makes this an excellent and informed video, thank you so much for your hardwork in researching this so appreciated. 🧡🇿🇦
I firmly agree with your position. I understand that Camilla's involvement in the breakdown's of the Wales' marriage generates some personal animosities for some people but one must be an adult and understand royal protocol and precedent and also recognize the work and effort made by Camilla these past 20 years to fulfill her role as a senior member of the RF - Btw, wonderful video! My first taste of your content and I both liked and subbed😁
I think it’s ridiculous that some people insist that she is not the wife of the king and, subsequently, Queen of the UK. What happened in the past was tragic, no doubt about it. But as with a lot of events mentioned in this video, that was in the past. She is King Charles III’s wife and not his mistress, whether some people like it or not.
@FrankBlaise73 you know the king rules only at the behest of the people right? This is a consistituional monarchy and as such the people have the right to depose the king. It has been done before. So yes the opinions of the British people are taken in to consideration. We also have freedom of expression, so I can express my distaste for the Kings mistress at any time.
@@LadyCheshire95 You have every right to carry a great dislike for his wife. However, she is legally recognized as his consort and, by proxy, Queen. Your opinion of her is of little to no consequence as far as the legality of her current status within the United Kingdom is concerned. Good day. P.S. Yes, monarchs have been, historically speaking, removed under extreme circumstances only. The current occupant of the British throne, in very recent events, anyway, has not warranted any public calls from parliament for his removal. Cheers!
As usual, a very informative video. I always have to jot down notes of which rabbit hole I want to dive down when you present your videos. Today it is Augusta and Caroline of Brunswick. On a side note, thank you for calling out the folks who refuse to acknowledge Camilla as Queen and insist that Diana is the true Queen. Somehow forgetting the fact that there was a divorce and she could never "be" Queen with her NOT being married to the King (kinda a prerequisite). I loved Diana. Got up early at 2am to watch her wedding, voraciously read every word written about her, felt her pain in the Morton interview, and cried like a baby when I heard of her death. Again got up early and watched her funeral. Yet, I still recognize the rightness of Camilla reigning being beside a man who loved her for years. Pouting gets you nowhere.
Thank you so much for the video! I'm not a fan of modern BRF, but I really like some of the projects that they represent, especially the one Catherine is patronizing. As a person who did work with young children from neglecting, abusive parents some of whom had substance abuse problems I can relate to the matter she supports. I also liked how ehe and PW have shed some light upon mental health issues among LGBTQ+ community. Catherine is also the most stylish royal after Princess Royal in BRF.
Yes, they do fantastic work and like you, I think they (and Prince Harry to be fair to him) have done a lot to make discussing mental health more acceptable.
Ooh, another juicy subject. I had not realised that there were so few members of this club. Thank you for this in-depth review of the ladies who have held this title and the current one. It seems to be a rarity, so Charles must also be one of the few Prince of Wales's to have had 2 of them. As for a favourite, I think it has to be a tie between Diana and the current POW. I am of a similar age to Diana and had my kids at the same sort of times. She filled our hearts with such joy at the thought she would be Queen one day. Of course that was shattered when they divorced. I still think that Diana could have changed history had she lived. The causes she championed were tough ones, not for the light-hearted. Maybe the plight of muslim women in Saudi Arabia would have been far better by now, had Diana lived. Who knows? The current POW is intelligent and articulate, however, I don't think she has the influence that Diana enjoyed. We lost an incredible tour de force when Diana died. Totally irreplaceable. I am sure Katherine will do a very good job and will eventually be a wonderful Queen, God willing. Thanks HC and yes I would watch anything on the medieval period, which is my fave. Toe rag King Richard and his wife Berengaria are an interesting pair. 😀
Thanks Elisabeth. I think King Charles is the only man to create two Princesses of Wales in fact. Yes, Diana is always going to be difficult to beat, but I really like Kate too.
@@a.t.c.3862 She will be queen when William comes to the throne just like all spouses of kings (reigning, and possibly crowned) before her. That's how it works.
@@a.t.c.3862 She will be Queen Consort. That's not a sort of down market queen. It's the correct title for a woman who marries a king. Commonly, no one uses the consort part--just as the Queen Mother, when her husband George VI was alive was always referred to as Queen Elizabeth, although her title was Queen Consort. So, G-d willing, the present Princess of Wales will be called Queen Catherine.
My favourites are Catherine of Aragon because she was such a determined strong woman in world dominated by man, always feel sorry for her. Princess Alexandra maybe because she shares my name 😂, just kidding her husband was terrible and still she carried herself with Grace and let’s be honest being daughter in law to Queen Victoria had to be a nightmare. Princess Diana I was only 7 when she died so I don’t remember much, all I know is from research and videos like this. I just think she had so much humanity, she really cared for the causes she supported not only for tv like most royals, her touching that HIV person changed how the world looks at people who have it, I just think she would’ve been an wonderful Queen who the people would love, unfortunately her marriage was rotten, if only she could’ve been happy after I find her story really sad. And I kind of like Princess Kate so far got nothing against her. But there were loads of princesses/ queens here mentioned that I did not knew the existence so thank you so much for the work you put into this videos.
What I enjoyed was the thumbnail sketches of each Princess of Wales, and your no nonsense presentation of the facts, acknowledging that public sentiments do not change them. Regarding future videos, we are lucky to have today’s technology available to more fully show the charitable good works the last three holders of the title, so it would be interesting to see what each woman brought to the title’s prestige, so I vote for Diana, Camilla and Catherine, please.
@@HistoryCalling yes, the coverage of their patronage visits while performing their official duties has been well documented through the media and the scope of their work is mind boggling, to me. Perhaps because we live in an instant Information Age their dedication has been on display like never before. I think a focus on their “body of work” as Princesses of Wales 🏴 would be enlightening and give us a greater appreciation for the depth of their commitment to the UK.
Yesterday I was a bit tired and foggy, and- interesting though it is- all this information overwhelmed me. Today, on a second listen, I'm absorbing it much better, with the usual pausing and rewinding. Lots of interesting things here, especially Catherine's tangled, arguably non-consecutive terms. (Our President Grover Cleveland pulled a similar stunt and is listed as presidents 22 & 24. Wouldn't that have annoyed C of A?) All of these women are worthy of our attention; if there was going to be a quiz, though, I'd have to coffee-up and come back a few more times!
My favorite? Catherine, who has followed in the footsteps of Diana by passionately dealing with very important issues that affect everyone. Additionally, she has endeared herself to those she serves through her loving and supportive relationship with her husband, Prince William, and her role is devoted mother to their three delightful children. Her willingness to literally get her hands dirty, to rough house at various sports and military appearances as part of her widely varied sponsorships have shown how dedicated she is to the broad range of activities to which she is engaged in support if the monarchy and the citizens of the UK and the Commonwealth. Catherine and William are a formidable team and are wildly popular and deeply loved throughout the world for their dedication and authenticity...and, least we forgot, the astonishing good looks, sense of fun and great good humor and grasp of tasteful fashion. They are probably the most effective Prince and Princess of Wales, and the most beloved ever.
@mikehaynie7391 It’s funny that so many see Catherine as the heir to Diana but overlook the ways in which she is not. Catherine follows the royal rules, she partners with William, doesn’t try to stick out from the RF or over shadow William, or “leak” disparaging things about the RF. I see Meghan as a bit closer to Diana in personality that Catherine.
Ah, they're all a bit like that. They have to be named after so many people I suppose to stop anyone getting offended. Princess Diana couldn't even remember all of Charles's names in order during their wedding vows and I'm not surprised.
@@lfgifu296 in her vows, Diana said "I take thee *Philip Charles* Arthur George...", instead of Charles Philip AG, which is a little bit funny considering Philip was ofc the groom's father's name lol
Queen Alexandra's names were Alexandra Caroline Marie Charlotte Louise Julia I think it is more noticeable with Mary because she didn't use her first name as her " first name" Though nor did Victoria and we seem to forget that .. My favourite is Alexandra because I always felt she was such a lady of grace. How many become so popular that others imitate their limp as it was " fashionable?" Not even Princess Diana reached that level of fame.
she went by Victoria Mary until she became queen, after which her husband asked her to choose a name. She choose to be Queen Mary, since there was already a Queen Victoria @@lonnie4789
I enjoyed watching the to videos on Catherine Parr's daughter and the Two Princes in the tower. Look forward to watching more of your videos. My husband (now passed away) has descendants of the Parr family living in the Wirral, in England. We visited them and found them to be very interesting people, and owners of a fascinating home and properties that contain gardens dedicated to famous authors. Thank you for doing your research. I look forward to following more of your work.
Loved this video, what amazing history. I like Caroline of Brunswick’s story, puts any dysfunctional royal marriages if today’s era in the shade. I’m glad Camilla was properly acknowledged on the list too
@@phoenixrises5169the late Queen allowed it the moment she allowed the marriage to occur. Upon marrying the Prince of Wales, one becomes Princess of Wales.
Thank you for this video and lovely voice of presenting it. My Preferred Princess of Wales is The Wonderful, Adorable and Beautiful HRH Princess Catherine Middleton, Wife Prince William 💖🏴🇬🇧👑💖👏👏🌹💗🌼💖💖🌟🌟💐
Excellent as always! Thank you for saying that Camilla was still the princess of Wales, even though she didn’t use the title. She would’ve still been queen. Had she not been crowned in a double ceremony with King Charles. People don’t seem to understand that.
@@MyBizOnlu how rude and spiteful. If Camilla was the horrible person you paint her , she would have called herself Princess of Wales to spite the Diana lovers but she was sensitive to public opinion. It's like saying if any couple (e.g the Smiths) divorce and the man remarries that the second wife should not be called Mrs Smith. Don't be so petty. If Charles had been able to marry Camilla in the first place then Diana would not have come to anyone's attention but his bossy, hard faced mother would not 'allow' him to marry the woman he loved and forced him to marry an immature, damaged girl just because she was a virgin. Diana was no saint - how many men was she with? 3? 4? 5? At least Charles was only unfaithful to her with ONE woman.
@@StravaiginHippy I don’t believe Charles not being able to marry Camilla as an ok for their two decades of adulterers (he could have held out and so could have married Camilla but truth is she was in love with the man she married.). Diana cheated too and that was no excuse but I do feel more sorry for Diana because she was so young and had not received the memo that her marriage was an arrangement and not affection and commitment. Charles and Camilla were shameful and they were epic about it. But, they finally married and she is trying to serve her country so for that, I give her that respect.
Oooh 41 minutes👀 this oughta be good😈 also wasn’t it the Stuarts who had none? It went from Katherine of Aragon straight to Caroline of Ansbach so 212 years!
Correct! You are really good. Even I had to sit and think about it as I putting the video together and make my way through all the monarchs in order to figure out all the factoids.
@@HistoryCallinghehe I have ocd- idk if the obsessive part makes me so good at memorising historical dates and facts; if so, at least I get a perk out of it :))
@@perniciouspete4986funnily enough, I am an absolute train wreck at math😭😭 I suppose people have different brain and intelligence types- I am a humanities type haha
You make fantastic videos. Your voice alone is great. I could happily listen to you talk all day. But the well researched facts-first style is so nice.
Just recently found your videos, and I love them!!! So excited for you hitting 200,000 subscribers! I'm watching everything you've made from oldest to newest and they are excellent!!! I enjoy the sound of your voice, and I really admire the amount of effort and research you put into these videos! Take care of yourself! You are awesome!
It is very interesting that there’s been so few Princesses of Wales. It seems to have been a combination of either no male heirs or heirs who died before marriage, especially during the very long gap after Catherine of Aragon (I count the end of her tenure as 1509, mostly because Henry VIII was so horrible to her.) I think Mary of Teck is my favorite PoW, though Alexandra gets forgotten often. I’m glad you included Camilla in this list; I thought during the years between her marriage to Charles and before becoming queen that she was the PoW but just didn’t use the title, like you said. I agree that she was briefly known as Queen Consort to avoid confusion, just because everyone had been used to referring to “The Queen”, Elizabeth II, for 70 years, and there had to be a brief period of adjustment, especially the first month or so. The current Princess of Wales is lovely. :)
I considered her for a second, but as she was never actually legally or physically invested I decided she didn't count. Had she held the title properly, it would have been trickier for it to go to her brother Edward when he was born.
@@HistoryCalling You too! Mine's been awesome, thanks- I planted lots of flowers & herbs, & watched Upstart Crow (comedy with David Mitchell as Shakespeare, HIGHLY recommend!) on zoom with my Russian friend, & tomorrow I'm going to a sheep cheesery to admire baby lambs & have lunch. Yay for Spring!
28:55 Funny enough, another motivating factor for the name change was that Edward III had been known as Edward of Windsor before his accession to the throne, and he did a thing that many a good English monarch did… invaded France. So even while they were in an alliance together there was still quiet snipping between Paris and London 🤣
Hi HC. Apparently I'm not allowed to move (Post-op) but damn their rules - I feel ok. I have a week to catch up with missed presentations now - which is a GOOD thing 😀 Interesting choice of subject. You missed one though. Shirley of Tiger Bay - altogether now ..... "Goldfingerrrr ............" Wah wah wahhh. Hope you're keeping well and thanks for the usual bang tidy job.
Now now, be careful please and do what the doctors say. I don't want one of my best followers dropping dead! Of course I do approve of you watching HC videos while you convalesce. :-)
I would love to do some Anglo-Saxon material, but sadly I don't think it would do well. It's a struggle to get people to even look at the medieval videos (excluding the Wars of the Roses).
@HistoryCalling That is so sad. I'd love to learn more about Richard the Lion heart and King John. What I've read about the two were very unflattering. 😢 Do you have suggestions on books I might be able to find?
@@HistoryCalling That is really unfortunate, because I find the three Edwards and their Queens to be fascinating, not to mention Henry II and especially his Queen, Eleanor of Aguataine.
As for this week’s question, what are your thoughts on James II? Personally, I don’t make him out to be the villain he so often is portrayed as. He didn’t try to end Protestantism nor execute Protestants, he just made changes to allow Catholicism. I also feel deeply for Mary of Modena, and it he must’ve been heartbroken at the betrayal of both his daughters
Not as good of a politician as his brother Charles, but equally, as you say, not the monster I think some people were worried he might be. Yes, Mary of Modena got a rough deal. All she ever wanted to be was a nun, poor girl. Instead she ended up with James, saw nearly all her children die before her and lived much of her life in exile.
@@HistoryCallingTrue, Charles was actually quite a good king, for all his female rendezvous. James was not the best king, not by far, yet didn’t deserve what he got. And Mary is a great tragedy :(
Kings don't get deposed and thrown out of their country because they're great rulers, no matter what their religion--not in England, anyway. James II wasn't even burning hundreds of Protestants like Mary I did. Like his father, James believed in "the divine right of kings" and "the king can do no wrong," and was an absolutist tyrant, and, like his father, it cost him. His deposition and the installation of his daughter Mary II and son-in-law/nephew William III established the important political principle that sovereignty is determined by Parliament (who are elected by the people) and not by God, so it's extremely difficult to regard them as bad things.
Well done. Since it is very hard to truly know much about historical figures character-wise. I’ll stick with the 3 princesses that are contemporary to me. Diana is my favorite but most probably as she had so much more ability to do good than many prior Princesses of Wales due to her popularity. While I may never feel warmly towards Camilla, I can see she stabilizes Charles (something he apparently really needs), and I appreciate her charity work and acknowledge she does now have the title of Queen. The current title holder, Kate, seems nice and has her supported charities but she is almost too perfect, so I have to still favor Diana who had her very human foibles along with her amazing charity work.
Kate is a product of her time. She wisely learned from Diana's mistakes (many of which weren't actually Diana's fault.) It helps the Kate's husband seems to be doing his part, (Unlike Charles.)
Also, here are two video ideas: -One on Isabella of France (her story was more complex than it seems), and, since, as a medieval video, it probably won’t sell, - One of Henry VIII’s will, as it incorporates both the Tudors and deaths :)
Yes, why don't the medieval videos (excluding the Wars of the Roses) do well? I've never been able to understand that. Empress Matilda has a fascinting story too for example.
@@HistoryCallingIk!! It is fascinating, yet people are always hesitant to click on something Starz hasn’t done a lousy series on it (I actually like The White Princess and Becoming Elizabeth, though the former greatly deviates from History and the latter has a terrible vocabulary choice😭😭). But hopefully the one on Henry’s will could compensate
I just saw Becoming Elizabeth a few weeks ago actually and I agree that some of the vocab choices were odd and too modern (Elizabeth telling Kat she was 'late' was pretty jarring for instance).
I've read the history of England. The kings and the queens line. but I never read the princesses of Wales's history before. Then I understand that many names of what I've read before, Jane, Mary, Catherine, Anne Boleyn, tied to this line of the Wales. Thankyou. I learn a lot from this.
Diana and Charles' whole marriage was a nightmare- she was so young and he was much!! older, reserved and probably a bit jaded after not being able to marry the woman he'd initially fell for (Camilla). She was young and naive enough to believe it was going to be for love, and by the sounds of things no one corrected her- maybe he thought that it would be tacky to point out he was marrying out of obligation and was assuming that her family had talked to her about it? Their relationship sounded very formal and they only met like 12 times or something so I think someone older and savvier would have picked that up for themselves, but at 19 I don't think she knew what the situation she was getting into was. Diana is a charismatic person, and was great with the public, and a good mother, but it just sounds like she never fit in with the formality of the royals and had an ever decreasing circle of support. I think the recent revelation about how the journalist got the interview with her involved him forging bank statements to gain her trust and make it look like someone close to her was leaking stuff to the press, I think she started declining bodyguards etc from the royals after that because she felt like she couldn't trust them. There's so many different factors that contributed to just how difficult her life was, and with her having no clue who she could or couln't trust it must have been awful feeling like she couldn't reach out to anyone (and I think she was rebuffing offers of help out of worry they just wanted fresh gossip) I feel sorry for Camilla too- kinda feels like she was jsut dealt a rough hand, she fell for someone who she 'wasn't good enough for' and they split up and she remained a friend to him before they rekindled their relationship, they're supposed to have only started seeing each other after Charles and Diana's marriage was falling apart (if they started seeing each other before then that's a different story), and she gets some really horrific abuse and called a home wrecker for falling for the wrong person.
Yes, poor Diana. I agree with you that it was a bad idea for the then Prince to marry a barely 20 year old. She was like a lamb to the slaughter with the way the media treated her. I'm sure it was a very lonely existence much of the time.
@@NakaidaBeauzec naturally, that's more opinion than statement of fact. Facts are the human brain is not fully developed at 20, so it is reasonable to say someone who has not yet reached full maturity is young. It is also only 1/4 way through a normal (not average, but reasonably attainable barring accident or acquired illness) lifespan, so from that perspective also 20 is young. Of course, someone who is 20(ish,) may not feel 20 is young because that age encompasses their entire life experience up to that point.
Is it true that when one of his courtiers told George IV about the death of Napoleon by saying "Sire, your greatest enemy is dead!" that he responded "Is she, by God?" mistakenly assuming he meant Caroline?
I still think that if Charles had grown a shiny spine back in 1973 and stood up to his mother about marrying Camilla, he wouldn't have had to destroy an innocent girl's life in order to get his heir. Remember that he met Diana when she was only 16. He and his family groomed a teenage Diana to be a perfect submissive wife for Charles, and she was naive enough to believe he might have loved her. Camilla had her role to play in this as well. People don't hate Charles and Camilla for their love for each other, but they needlessly destroyed an innocent life and for what purpose?
I don't think he had ever told his mother he wanted to marry Camilla in the early 70s - it was said that at the time he met Camilla and they were together, he felt he wasn't ready to marry yet and too young for this step (which his uncle, Louis Mountbatten, also allegedly told him). Camilla's first husband was also in the picture (as were their parents that wanted them to happen), then the Queen Mother didn't think Camilla was a suitable partner for the future King and that chain of bad decisions or decisions not made led to the whole Diana-Charles-Camilla drama.
Oh, get over it. Diana was no saint. She was the first one to stray in that marriage, not Charles. She had a billion affairs and was capable of being quite cunning and manipulative. She also had a tendency to alert the paps when she wanted to be seen; she loved attention.
Charles met Diana when she was 16 years old but he was not encouraged to start a relationship with her until she was 18 or 19 .The matchmakers were the Queen Mother and Lady Fermoy who were grandmother's to Charles and Diana respectively .
Henry VIII called his daughter Mary. Princess of Wales, and even took her to Wales at age 11, (I think) where she was introduced to the people of Wales, and even held a court of law there to decide cases, as Princess of Wales. Obviously, at some point, Henry considered Mary his legal heir.
@@HistoryCalling she couldn't have been since 1) King Henry was saving that title for that so desired male heir 2) princess of Wales has so far only been acquired through marriage, since prior to 2013, princesses (except for Queen Anne, who was heiress apparent due to the unique Line of succession established after the Glorious Revolution) couldn't be heiress apparent, only heiress presumptive.
It remains me of another narcissistic Prince of Wales, now King Charles. He wants his grand-daughter Charlotte to become Duke of Edinburgh when Edward passes on. How insane is this? Poor old Charles just never seems to get it straight or get on the proper rails of life.
Damn Caroline and George IV make Charles III and Diana seem like a match made in heaven Also fun facts about Camilla: I am still yet to hear her voice. I have never heard her speak!
@@emmiefaison3363 Not true at all. In fact, she sounds so posh and very clear with her speech, ver good voice. Lol I just know you hate her and so everything he does is ugly to you.
@HistoryCalling not finished yet, but I have always had a soft spot for Catherine of aragon. . Joan and Anne are tragic and interesting. . On lady of Wales. I recall. Matilda ( Henry 1st ) daughter was called the lady of England. When proclaimed Queen. ( the anarchy) .
Yes, Matilda's is a very interesting story. I have a video on her which I wish more people would watch. She's just as fascinating as the Tudors in my opinion.
@@HistoryCalling oh il check it out , I'm new to your channel. , you were recommended by a friend. A few weeks ago .. Oh you can really see the family resemblance better queen Mary and queen Elisabeth.
Your accent is amazing and your way of speaking is intelligent and melodic at the same time. I laughed aloud when you admonished those who are delusional about Camilla being the Princess of Wales
I'm anAmerican, Diana and Carherine are tied for my favorite. Both these beautiful ladies are well known and loved by many all over the world. And most of us here in America in my age group have followed them and watched them grow into the women they have become and became. Both beautiful ladies.
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I have not yet watched the video, but, from what I know of these women, Katherine of Aragon (one of my fav Queens, couldn’t leave her out🫶) and Caroline of Ansbach (so the ones further apart lol). Both of them amazing and strong women, though with vastly different husbands💀
They were definitely amazing, yes. Good solid choices, the both of them.
@@HistoryCallingI feel like had Katherine had George II as a husband, she would have been much like Caroline- she didn’t mind Henry’s mistresses, until one came and put her throne and the place of her daughter into question-
Yes, they might have been a better pairing.
@@HistoryCallingbut then poor Caroline would be stuck with Henry :/
None of my business since I'm American, but I held Diana in great esteem for all her work to end HIV and AIDS and the stigma of it, and her work bringing attention to active bombs and landmines that need to be disarmed. Her work was very important, and she was fearless in her actions to help others.
Yes, she really did a lot for someone who died at 36 and I think definitely left the world a better place than she found it, which I hope is some comfort to her family.
I absolutely loved Di. The world is darker without her.
I adored Diana. I still do. Her replacement is not worthy.
I'm going to annoy everyone by😂stating I did not like Diana. However, Catherine is a different story. She is a wonderful representative of the royal family.
@@kathleenevans1201: You might think differently if you knew the truth about Diana, and not what the media put forth. Read Lady Colin Campbell's "Diana in Private: The Princess Nobody Knows."
I really like Katherine of Aragon and I think it’d be an interesting video if you did her life before moving to England as many videos on her start with her arriving to marry Arthur. Another video idea would be Catherine de Medici or Diane de Poitiers. I think their relationship would make a good video.
All excellent ideas and fascinating women :-)
@@HistoryCallingI would love to see videos about Catherine de Medici and Diane de Poitiers!
So would I, those are excellent suggestions!
Absolutely!!!
Great suggestions 😊 the complex relationship between Catherine de Medici and Diane de Poitiers is certainly worth looking into.
I have a soft spot for Queen Mary. So many loved ones lost in her life - her fiance, her parents, her husband, three of her sons (and in effect, her oldest son Edward VIII as well, due to his antics)... and yet she remained the glue holding the monarchy together until her granddaughter came to the throne. I think she died knowing that the Crown was in safe hands and Elizabeth would carry on for her, but there sure was a lot of turbulence she had to weather in order to get to that point. That scene in The Crown where she curtsies so painfully to her granddaughter is just heartbreaking.
I agree, that's my favorite scene in the whole series. Claire Foy's shock at receiving her grandmother's curtsy is so poignant.
Yes, she was very reserved but also very steady. Like you said, she was like the glue.
@@HistoryCalling The Picture of the 3 queens in mourning for the funeral of George VI always sticks in my mind. Alexandra, Mary and now the current Princess of Wales, though Camilla should be in that list
Yes Mary of Teck..loved her..She helped build up the Monarchy.
Not so sure she actually loved Prince Eddy. He was kind of a douchebag.
What a fun video! I have always been a fan of Catherine and I think the reason she has been so successful as a Duchess and now Princess is that she is a team player and understands that the role of anyone who marries into the royal family (regardless of gender) is primarily supportive. She has her passion projects and moments to shine but I think she prioritizes being a supportive mom, wife and member of the royal family (in that order) ahead of anything else.
Yes, Catherine understands her role as the wife of a royal and that royal children (like all children) need their parents in their day to day lives.
Charles was thrilled with Diana’s popularity until she used it to undermine the rest of the familiy’s work. If Diana was a victim of anything, it was the aristocracy. Lady Glenconner details aristocratic courtship and marriage in the 50s, and it was largely the same in the late 70s when Diana came of age.
Camilla,Catherine and numerous others have understood their role is to support and have never tried to upstage their husbands or be the star of the family
Diana sadly wanted to be the star and would upstage everyone
I have a soft spot for Alexandra. Yes, she could be petty and shellfish, but she did her role well and was a model Princess of Wales despite going deaf and other health problems. I think she was the perfect mate for someone like King Edward. Not a perfect marriage by any means, but a decent one given the standards of the time.
She was also an underrated fashion icon. Those dog collar necklaces are stunning!
Yes, she did have an eye for some gorgeous jewels. She's one of those royals who I think is a bit overlooked, which is a shame.
I agree - she was rather amazing when you consider what she put up with from him, and yet he became a decent king and she was a very caring and patient wife to him.
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Do you know why she wore the necklaces ? She had a health condition ( may be thyroid related) which she disguised with the chokers. Very sensible lady.
Princess Margaret got her looks from Alexandra.
I have a soft spot for May of Teck, but mostly for her role as queen and queen dowager during the world wars, and the way she and George V modernized the royal role. They understood that in the "new world" after WWI, the monarchy needed to work with non-aristocratic Britons through charitable causes. As Princess of Wales, my favorite is Alexandra. She also was devoted to good causes. And she had the added burden of being alone in the UK (Victoria wouldn't allow her any Danish ladies in waiting), AND having Victoria as her mother-in-law, which couldn't have been easy.
Yes, it's a shame Alexandra isn't more widely known about. She's an interesting figure but a bit overshadowed by Victoria and also because she was only Queen for 9 years.
I agree with Queen Mary was the person who changed the Royal family she went out and met the people and made them see the RF as more like them
but it was George V who modernised, he was the Monarch, she was just a Queen Consort and supported the King
as that was her role
Thank you. I rarely watch anything from start to finish without skipping ahead a few times. I am either annoyed by or bored due to mindless, empty babble, yet I willingly watched every second of this bit of history. You are very calm, precise, fair and factual, again, I thank you.
Thank you so much. I'm really glad you enjoyed it and impressed you stuck with me for 41 minutes (most people don't ) :-)
Whew! I'll definitely have to rewatch this more than once, HC. Tons of detail. Thanks for this; once again you've grabbed my attention on a subject I wouldn't have given a second thought to until becoming a follower. Great job as always! ❤
Thanks Stephen. Yes, it took quite a while to put this one together. I can't say I recommend doing videos with 11 research subjects.
@@HistoryCalling😂 I get that. Still, I think you're tenacious enough to accept any academic challenge.
Kate & Di for sure but omg what a GREAT VIDEO!!!! I thorougly enjoyed it!!❤ thank you!!
Kate is by far my favorite. I was always struck by the shyness, fear, and sadness that was clear in Princess Diana; she always appeared about to burst into tears -- but Kate appears to be having a blast, just a happy looking person who must be fun to be around. I'm pleased to see the UK's next monarchs apparently enjoying a "love match" not a dynasty merger.
Diana was sad, but she wasn’t shy. She understood how to manipulate public perception; it’s why she succeeded in marrying the royal family where her sister Sarah failed.
I hope she makes a full recovery as I don’t wish the misery of cancer or cancer treatments on anyone, but Kate is like a Stepford wife. She does what she is told, goes where she is told to go, stands where she is told to stand, speaks when she is told to speak. She can’t be an example for modern women when she acts like a woman of the 19th century.
So you haven’t heard the gossip about William’s mistresses and the predictions that, before she finally announced that she’s battling cancer, people were suspecting a divorce announcement. They also reportedly have screaming fights. I don’t think either are as happy as they work hard to appear to be.
@@MegCazalet Actually I have noticed signs of a strained relationship, but I've been married nearly 37 yrs, most of those years more or less happy, but a few of them definitely strained, so we went to therapy and fixed it, because we truly love each other and really meant "till death do us part" when we said it. I just hope those two young-ish royals can fix their strains. Tom Petty said it best: love is a long road. Sometimes there's detours and all sorts of mayhem, but if you really work at it, there can be a lot of companionship, and shared goals -- and offspring! Our son is almost 36, and spent his early adulthood crapping up his life as so many of us do, but now is married and seems really happy. Those two royals have those 3 lovely kids, and I'd take a guess that those kids' welfare is uppermost in the thoughts of both Kate and Will.
@@MegCazalet Not an atypical portrait of a marriage then.
Thank you for the reminder that the monarchy and the title of Princess of Wales is hundreds of years old and is much more than one woman. As much as I adore Diana, we have to remember that the title cannot be decided or cancelled by social media
Social media wasn't around when it was decided Camilla wouldn't be our princess, she wasn't princess of anything especially not Wales thank you very much.
I mean - she was. The Queen very much said she was, but sure, okay. @@DM-fs9gw
Camilla actually does her job instead of serving her own glory as Diana often did.
The 21st century, where the general public thinks they know better than the institution that has been around for 1000 years.
The narrator says it best. "Just cause you dont like it, doesnt mean she isnt."
Diana was an attention seeker who wanted to be the star and upstaged our royal family whenever she could
and "Princess of Wales" is only a courtesy title
Great video on the Princesses of Wales. I thought that there were many more than 11, and you gave good details of each, including rightly Camilla, giving the reasons why! All 11 are interesting in their own right, but my favourite is Joan of Kent, mother of Richard 11. She had a turbulent life at times, and did well to survive the 1381 Peasants revolt! Thanks again for sharing this video.
Thanks Alan. Yes, Joan had quite the life. I wonder if she was raging that she never got to be Queen?
Probably, especially when her father-in-law only survived his son by a year!
Joan of Kent is my favorite, too. And if you go back before Wales became a possession of England I really liked Joan of England, the illegitimate daughter of King John.
I rarely comment on videos, but one thing that really stood out to me was the enormous span of time between Katherine of Aragon and Caroline of Brandenburg-Ansbach. I'm almost surprised that the title survived not being used for so long, and while yes, there were Princes of Wales in that span, these were also few and far between.
I love videos like this that take a look at all the people to hold a title. Lindsay Holiday has done a few, including one on the seven women to have been Princess Royal. Though obviously you're the superior historian, as she's more of an enthusiastic amateur.
I really like Catherine and think she's done well as Princess of Wales so far, even if she's not in the media as much as Diana was (which is probably a good thing, actually). She and William seem to be all-round admirable people and great role models. It's nice that children will now grow up seeing a royal family full of happy and stable marriages, people my age grew up seeing a royal family who kept getting divorced.
I wish I'd thought of the Princess Royal one now! :-) Her channel is great, although admittedly I haven't watched in quite a while as I actually don't like to watch the competition as so many of them steal from me which is infuriating (not saying Lindsay has done that by the way, I'm speaking more generally here). I'd love to know how she uses all the copyrighted footage though? Does she pay for it I wonder, or just rely on fair use?
@@HistoryCalling You are an *infinitely* superior historian!! theres no contest. I had to unsubscribe from that other channel for the horrific mispronunciations, factual inaccuracies and kneejerk populism
@@HistoryCallingyes you’re being fairer to Lindsay than I am. And I know I’m being petty and unjust by saying that I find her strong American accent rather grating, which is even more absurd, because I was born in America and retain much of my own North American accent, but it does nevertheless grate as does some of her anti-monarchist musings on the House of Windsor and other royal houses. It’s not a good look for someone who devotes so much time to covering royalty.
But I did thoroughly enjoy your (as usual excellent) coverage of the princesses of Wales. It is indeed remarkable that there have been so few associated with the English/British royal family in that vast space of time.
I also unsubscribed from Lindsay. Her inaccuracies are beyond ridiculous.
This was a really cool idea for a video, thank you! Like her or not, Camilla had the princess title until the queen died; you can't say she didn't just because you don't like her. It's really surprising there have been so few princesses of Wales throughout the title's existence. Fingers crossed on my end for a Margaret Pole video one day 💙 thanks again for all you do.
Hear. Hear. I second the Margaret de la Pole video. Thanks! 😊
I wish some others in the comments were as level-headed as you. I've had my fair share of Camilla bashers already who are very keen to deny reality because they don't like her.
I understand why some people are militantly anti-Camilla, but she was an easy target to cast as the villain 30-odd years ago. She showed decency in actively *not* using the Princess of Wales title and deserves a bit of respect for that.
@@sweptashore exactly, she never used the title but was it her decision, or what was thought best.
I could give a f#(k less about any Royal title! She can have the title of princess of lizardpeople as far as I am concerned. 👹🖕
Catherine of Aragon. She was an impressive woman. I also like Princess Diana. She was a trailblazer on her charitable work. She shook hands and hugged patients with AIDS without gloves. Her work on the land mines was brave. She had a difficult childhood. Despite of her challenges she continued with her charity and philanthropy. I think Kate is doing okay. I heard the UK considers mental illness as a stigma. I’m glad she and William are spreading awareness on mental illness. Thank you for this. Have a lovely weekend.
Yes, the two Catherines and Diana all did great things (although admittedly Catherine of Aragon had to wait until she was Queen to really spread her wings).
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You’re right about Catherine of Aragon.
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Diana had divorced parents, which was unusual at the time but she spent nearly equal time with both parents. Other that not being as academic as her sisters, I don’t know what was particularly difficult about her childhood for herself; she was certainly “difficult” in how she treated her mother, stepmother, and household staff.
I have a deep respect for Catherine of Aragon. She held her ground despite everything against her. Poor woman, caught in a world-shaking event.
I like this channel. No stock photos, no intrusive music, well-researched facts. Contemporary paintings and artifacts. And the narrator's slight Scottish (?) accent is charming.
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Thank you for your straightforward and easy to follow presentation. As always, I learned a lot.
Thanks Helen. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Another Great Video HC. I Fell in Love with Princess Diana, Courtesy of My Sweet Grandmother. She & I Watched All the Festivities Surrounding the Wedding of Prince Charles & Princess Diana. I was 9 years old, it's Still one of Many Wonderful Memories We Shared.
I bet that was some day in London for those who attended in person.
Mary of Teck was known to covet things she saw in other people's homes.
Where I live, she used to take a walk to see the gardens in the evening after her meal.
Upon being invited into the house, her gaze fell on a trinket on the mantle piece.
Apparently she commented on how pretty it was, and sat with the householder until the small hours of the morning.
The next evening she walked by the house and again was invited to take some refreshments.
The compliment was paid about the trinket, and again she sat into the small hours, the householder thought this was just what she did.
The next evening she came to the door and asked to be entertained.
The householder obliged and Mary again sat until the small hours, again commenting on the beauty of the trinket.
The householder was getting a bit fed up of being kept from bed by Mary, but would never ask her to leave.
The next evening Mary strode straight to the door, requested entry and was granted.
Refreshments were given at this Mary commented on the beauty of the trinket.
At which point the householder offered it to Mary.
Mary quickly accepted and promptly left the house never to return for refreshments on conversation again.
The householder then mentioned this to others around and was told that Mary expected to be given as a gift, anything she took a fancy to in your home.
The householder was disappointed to find out that Mary wasn't interested in them for friendship or the quality of their hosting, thinking they were special.
It was the trinket she was only interested in.
This was why everyone kept their prized possessions out of sight, should Mary come calling.
She had been known to sit almost until dawn in the effort to be given something she took a fancy to.
That's the Queen Mary of Teck that I am aware of.
Sounds like a head case! Nut
That story is just rubbish. Mary did however admire items of furniture and other trinkets. Upon admiring them, the owners sent them in to Buckingham palace where Queen Mary of Tech took possession of them. She was a grifter!
@@margerykirner5604 It's part of the history of where I live.
She was known for expecting the trinket or whatever she took a liking to, to be given to her as a gift.
You've confirmed that yourself by what you said.
👍 SO interesting. I particularly enjoyed learning more about Mary of Teck, grandmother to QE II, and her situation with the heir then the spare. Am checking now to see if you've done a more in-depth video on her. Thanks so much!
Nothing in-depth on Mary of Teck yet I'm afraid, but if she seems popular I'll put her on the list.
I very much appreciate your efforts. I enjoyed it very much and learned quite a bit.
Thank you so much :-)
This shoukd be its own series
I do have videos on quite a few of them already in the playlist, so it sort of is.
Thank you so much for this very entertaining and informative overview of the Princesses of Wales. It was certainly a revelation to learn that there have been only 11 to date! I already knew that the present king was the one Prince of Wales to have two Princesses during his long wait for the throne, and that his second wife only avoided using the title out of courtesy to Diana, to her bereaved family including her sons, and to her fans. I was also glad there wasn't too long a delay in calling her Queen Camilla. That said, I think Diana and her daughter-in-law are my two favorites, although Joan of Kent was a fascinating figure, possibly even more controversial in her day than some of the later women to bear the title. Catherine really doesn't have Diana's sense of style (she's too matchy matchy, with droopy long skirts, for my taste), but that could be because she wants to show her role as being a serious one in support of her husband, not just an advert for the latest fashion.
Thanks Ann. Yes, Diana certainly left big shoes to fill, but I think Catherine is doing well too and certainly way better than I could ever do. William made a wise choice I believe. :-)
A wise choice indeed! And I imagine Catherine has to deal with changes in fashion that have led to much more casual styles, don't you think? She always has a perfect outfit for a meeting with a hospital board or a visit to a school, but for many of the events she attends, she's the only person in the world who needs to dress stylishly, but at the precise level of formality for that precise event, as precisely the fourth most important person in the BRF (not overshadowing the Queen, but not too casual for her own rank). Quite a fashion challenge!
That was a very interesting video, I would have to say my favorite is Catherine with Diana a very close second they both have and did great work with charities. Thank you HC look forward to nest weeks.
Thanks Vernon. Yes, I think Catherine is doing a great job too.
Brilliant. I had no idea there have been so few Princesses of Wales
A great video. My favourite has to be the Late Diana, followed by Kate, although Alexandra has always intrigued me and how she managed to stay looking quite youthful, even looking younger than her daughter the Princess Victoria!
Yes, Alexandra was just gorgeous wasn't she? It's a pity she's not a better known figure in royal history.
I have read that as she began to age, Alexandra had photos of herself retouched before they were published. I've always wondered if people were shocked to see the age difference if they met her in her mature years.
Thank you for the hard work explaining all the Princesses of Wales.
I so enjoy your videos! They are compelling and so well done. Thank you for your hard work on such very thorough history lessons!
Thank you so much :-)
A favorite is a hard choice! Catherine of Aragon was widowed, then treated horribly by her father in law and ultimately by Henry VIII, yet is remembered as a gracious and classy royal. More recently, Camilla has done a great job in rehabilitating her image to a hard working Queen. I don't personally believe she alone destroyed Charles' marriage; that's too simplistic and both had a part in that.
I agree with you on Camilla, although I NEVER referred to her as "The Princess of Wales" even though she technically held the title. I think she had the good sense to not force that use of the title on the rest of us unlike some other people. Catherine however, even though being the current Princess of Wales, will always in my mind be Catherine future Queen of England.
Nothing is ever 100% one person’s fault but in the case of Charles and Diana, I’m going to have to observe that it was 80/20 on Charles.
@@LBGirl1988 Hm.. Diana had an history of mental illnesses... I think she wasnt really an very easy person to be with. Especially how she courted the surgeon seemed almost obsessive. The relationship was most likely the tragic result of tragic circumstances
@@LBGirl1988
Agreed
@@Mukkki
Try being 19, in love with your one and only lover, hormonal because you're pregnant with his child while he's off cheating on you with another woman , whom let's not forget was also married and had children.
I do so enjoy all of your videos, but rarely comment because I watch them on my TV, sometimes whilst busy with other tasks, and it means I need to locate a device, log in and comment on that separate to watching... so, yes, I am lazy... BUT I had to say THANK YOU! Thank you for acknowledging Queen Camilla's title of Princess of Wales, as so many people think she wasn't just because she chose not to use that title, which speaks volumes about the person she is. I also agree that people who chuck a hissy fit (to use the Aussie vernacular) because they don't like her and don't want her appropriately acknowledged by her titles, just because they have some desperate need to pretend Diana, the former Princess of Wales, was a saint who didn't deserve to have anyone usurp her place on the throne! Don't get me wrong, though - I adored Diana! I was 13 when Charles and Diana were engaged and then married, and she was only 19 when she was engaged, which really did my head in even back then!! I loved her so much and kept scrapbooks about her - her clothes, her family, her royal visits and friends - and I saw her with Prince Charles in Melbourne in 1983 when they toured Australia. Camilla is, however, a devoted, hard working and caring person who has given up a lot to take on her Royal life with her love.
P.S. I told my husband I'd just written this comment and he tried to "correct" me and tell me that the Queen had not given the title of Princess of Wales to Camilla... It is just lovely when an Australian has to keep educating the British member of the marriage the rules and history of the British Royal Family!! 🤣😂🤣
Thanks Magdelena. You're not lazy at all. I watch a lot of YT on TV as well and don't comment for the exact same reason. I'm glad you appreciate me acknowledging Camilla's actual titles as I have of course already had a few feet-stomping 'children' here in the comments denying reality and insisting that she wasn't Princess and isn't Queen, but that's not unexpected. I hope you enjoyed a wee smug smile when you were able to correct your hubby. You are indeed right that Camilla automatically became Princess when she married Charles, just as Diana did (although I don't want to offend your husband by saying that, as I do of course want him to watch my videos too) :-)
Evening HC, Kate is my favourite she seems a warm a very kind hearted lady. A worthy princess of Wales on so many levels, like you HC she is a class act, thank as always 😊👍
Thank you Simon. I'm flattered to be compared to Kate as I like her as well. She does a great job (she's way better than I think I would ever be as a Princess).
@@HistoryCalling thank you HC, your a lady that excells at what ever you put your mind to, Tutor, youtube, maybe just maybe an Author at some point, as I have said your a class act HC. 👏😊
In the early pictures of Mary of Teck there is a very strong resemblance to Elizabeth II.
Yes, those Teck/Windsor genes are strong :-)
@@HistoryCalling Princess Charlotte sometimes has that look too. Steely eyes telling her brothers to behave/bow.
Wonderful video and such careful detail, as always. I love your analogy between George IV/Caroline's and Henry VIII/Anne of Cleves' marriages!
Thanks. Nice overview. I go with Kate. I remember there were some not so nice things said of her in the past. .. glad to see that is no longer so..to my knowledge anyway. Her marvelous smile and obvious sense of humor are clearly her own assets and not just a public face. She is a tough trooper that should not be underestimated. She is a representative person your nation can be proud of. I wish her well.
Thank you for showing the actual countryside of Wales! It's such a beautiful place!
I'm glad you said it so strongly - that even if Camilla didn't use the title of Princess of Wales, she actually was.
She was yes, but I bet I still get a lot of grumblers in the comments. I always do. As the old saying goes though, don't blame the messenger.
I still don’t think their marriage is totally legit. I think Charles finagled the CoE to allow it.
@@michellerenner6880 a civil marriage is legit.
@@Celestialyeontan but they should have a morganic marriage which means she wouldn’t be able to hold any of his titles.
@@michellerenner6880 why?
I love history and your calm voice and beautiful narrative makes this an excellent and informed video, thank you so much for your hardwork in researching this so appreciated. 🧡🇿🇦
I firmly agree with your position. I understand that Camilla's involvement in the breakdown's of the Wales' marriage generates some personal animosities for some people but one must be an adult and understand royal protocol and precedent and also recognize the work and effort made by Camilla these past 20 years to fulfill her role as a senior member of the RF - Btw, wonderful video! My first taste of your content and I both liked and subbed😁
Thank you so much and welcome aboard :-)
I think it’s ridiculous that some people insist that she is not the wife of the king and, subsequently, Queen of the UK. What happened in the past was tragic, no doubt about it. But as with a lot of events mentioned in this video, that was in the past. She is King Charles III’s wife and not his mistress, whether some people like it or not.
@FrankBlaise73 you know the king rules only at the behest of the people right? This is a consistituional monarchy and as such the people have the right to depose the king. It has been done before.
So yes the opinions of the British people are taken in to consideration.
We also have freedom of expression, so I can express my distaste for the Kings mistress at any time.
@@LadyCheshire95 You have every right to carry a great dislike for his wife. However, she is legally recognized as his consort and, by proxy, Queen. Your opinion of her is of little to no consequence as far as the legality of her current status within the United Kingdom is concerned. Good day.
P.S. Yes, monarchs have been, historically speaking, removed under extreme circumstances only. The current occupant of the British throne, in very recent events, anyway, has not warranted any public calls from parliament for his removal. Cheers!
I love and appreciate Queen Camilla! She is the coolest.
This is why I love your channel... I feel so blessed to be able to learn from yaw...
Thank you so much and I'm very grateful to have you here :-)
Diana is my favorite!🥰
Catherine is a breath of fresh air to the RF. I can’t wait for her to be queen consort
As usual, a very informative video. I always have to jot down notes of which rabbit hole I want to dive down when you present your videos. Today it is Augusta and Caroline of Brunswick. On a side note, thank you for calling out the folks who refuse to acknowledge Camilla as Queen and insist that Diana is the true Queen. Somehow forgetting the fact that there was a divorce and she could never "be" Queen with her NOT being married to the King (kinda a prerequisite). I loved Diana. Got up early at 2am to watch her wedding, voraciously read every word written about her, felt her pain in the Morton interview, and cried like a baby when I heard of her death. Again got up early and watched her funeral. Yet, I still recognize the rightness of Camilla reigning being beside a man who loved her for years. Pouting gets you nowhere.
I would love to see a video on Caroline of Brunswick ... her marriage was so wild!
So was she.
Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed this. Catherine is my favorite.❤🇳🇿
Thank you so much for the video! I'm not a fan of modern BRF, but I really like some of the projects that they represent, especially the one Catherine is patronizing. As a person who did work with young children from neglecting, abusive parents some of whom had substance abuse problems I can relate to the matter she supports. I also liked how ehe and PW have shed some light upon mental health issues among LGBTQ+ community. Catherine is also the most stylish royal after Princess Royal in BRF.
Yes, they do fantastic work and like you, I think they (and Prince Harry to be fair to him) have done a lot to make discussing mental health more acceptable.
Prince Harry is the poster child …. His mental illness came from cocaine.
Excellent work overall
Thank you !
Ooh, another juicy subject. I had not realised that there were so few members of this club. Thank you for this in-depth review of the ladies who have held this title and the current one. It seems to be a rarity, so Charles must also be one of the few Prince of Wales's to have had 2 of them. As for a favourite, I think it has to be a tie between Diana and the current POW. I am of a similar age to Diana and had my kids at the same sort of times. She filled our hearts with such joy at the thought she would be Queen one day. Of course that was shattered when they divorced. I still think that Diana could have changed history had she lived. The causes she championed were tough ones, not for the light-hearted. Maybe the plight of muslim women in Saudi Arabia would have been far better by now, had Diana lived. Who knows? The current POW is intelligent and articulate, however, I don't think she has the influence that Diana enjoyed. We lost an incredible tour de force when Diana died. Totally irreplaceable. I am sure Katherine will do a very good job and will eventually be a wonderful Queen, God willing. Thanks HC and yes I would watch anything on the medieval period, which is my fave. Toe rag King Richard and his wife Berengaria are an interesting pair. 😀
Thanks Elisabeth. I think King Charles is the only man to create two Princesses of Wales in fact. Yes, Diana is always going to be difficult to beat, but I really like Kate too.
Kate Middleton should be Queen Consort, not Queen.
@@a.t.c.3862 she probably will be, when we get to that point in time.
@@a.t.c.3862 She will be queen when William comes to the throne just like all spouses of kings (reigning, and possibly crowned) before her. That's how it works.
@@a.t.c.3862 She will be Queen Consort. That's not a sort of down market queen. It's the correct title for a woman who marries a king. Commonly, no one uses the consort part--just as the Queen Mother, when her husband George VI was alive was always referred to as Queen Elizabeth, although her title was Queen Consort. So, G-d willing, the present Princess of Wales will be called Queen Catherine.
Awesome!
What a great way to start the weekend ❤
Thank you. Enjoy and come back at the end and let me know who your favourite is :-)
My favourites are Catherine of Aragon because she was such a determined strong woman in world dominated by man, always feel sorry for her.
Princess Alexandra maybe because she shares my name 😂, just kidding her husband was terrible and still she carried herself with Grace and let’s be honest being daughter in law to Queen Victoria had to be a nightmare.
Princess Diana I was only 7 when she died so I don’t remember much, all I know is from research and videos like this. I just think she had so much humanity, she really cared for the causes she supported not only for tv like most royals, her touching that HIV person changed how the world looks at people who have it, I just think she would’ve been an wonderful Queen who the people would love, unfortunately her marriage was rotten, if only she could’ve been happy after I find her story really sad.
And I kind of like Princess Kate so far got nothing against her.
But there were loads of princesses/ queens here mentioned that I did not knew the existence so thank you so much for the work you put into this videos.
What I enjoyed was the thumbnail sketches of each Princess of Wales, and your no nonsense presentation of the facts, acknowledging that public sentiments do not change them. Regarding future videos, we are lucky to have today’s technology available to more fully show the charitable good works the last three holders of the title, so it would be interesting to see what each woman brought to the title’s prestige, so I vote for Diana, Camilla and Catherine, please.
All good choices. All three of those women worked/are working very hard in their roles.
@@HistoryCalling yes, the coverage of their patronage visits while performing their official duties has been well documented through the media and the scope of their work is mind boggling, to me. Perhaps because we live in an instant Information Age their dedication has been on display like never before. I think a focus on their “body of work” as Princesses of Wales 🏴 would be enlightening and give us a greater appreciation for the depth of their commitment to the UK.
Yesterday I was a bit tired and foggy, and- interesting though it is- all this information overwhelmed me. Today, on a second listen, I'm absorbing it much better, with the usual pausing and rewinding. Lots of interesting things here, especially Catherine's tangled, arguably non-consecutive terms. (Our President Grover Cleveland pulled a similar stunt and is listed as presidents 22 & 24. Wouldn't that have annoyed C of A?) All of these women are worthy of our attention; if there was going to be a quiz, though, I'd have to coffee-up and come back a few more times!
Very interesting! I enjoyed watching this.
Thanks Nicholas. It was a bit of a slog researching 11 women at once, but hopefully people will like it and it'll have been worth it.
Extremely interesting and enjoyable and,as always, rigorous. Thanks for being so clear on Camilla's titles.
And now we have Catherine
As a lover of history, with Great Britain being one of my favorites, I so appreciate this post. Thank you for your accuracy in this report.
My favorite? Catherine, who has followed in the footsteps of Diana by passionately dealing with very important issues that affect everyone. Additionally, she has endeared herself to those she serves through her loving and supportive relationship with her husband, Prince William, and her role is devoted mother to their three delightful children. Her willingness to literally get her hands dirty, to rough house at various sports and military appearances as part of her widely varied sponsorships have shown how dedicated she is to the broad range of activities to which she is engaged in support if the monarchy and the citizens of the UK and the Commonwealth. Catherine and William are a formidable team and are wildly popular and deeply loved throughout the world for their dedication and authenticity...and, least we forgot, the astonishing good looks, sense of fun and great good humor and grasp of tasteful fashion. They are probably the most effective Prince and Princess of Wales, and the most beloved ever.
I wish we could've bypassed King Charles and gone straight to King William, based on their wives alone.
@mikehaynie7391
It’s funny that so many see Catherine as the heir to Diana but overlook the ways in which she is not. Catherine follows the royal rules, she partners with William, doesn’t try to stick out from the RF or over shadow William, or “leak” disparaging things about the RF. I see Meghan as a bit closer to Diana in personality that Catherine.
You did such Ana mating job at keeping things informational but concise. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
Wow Mary of Teck’s parents went wild with giving her names💀 she sounds like a 19th century Portuguese Royal with 30 names
Ah, they're all a bit like that. They have to be named after so many people I suppose to stop anyone getting offended. Princess Diana couldn't even remember all of Charles's names in order during their wedding vows and I'm not surprised.
@@HistoryCallingoh nein😭😭 that’s almost as embarrassing as Ross getting Emily’s name wrong at the altar
@@lfgifu296 in her vows, Diana said "I take thee *Philip Charles* Arthur George...", instead of Charles Philip AG, which is a little bit funny considering Philip was ofc the groom's father's name lol
Queen Alexandra's names were Alexandra Caroline Marie Charlotte Louise Julia I think it is more noticeable with Mary because she didn't use her first name as her " first name" Though nor did Victoria and we seem to forget that .. My favourite is Alexandra because I always felt she was such a lady of grace. How many become so popular that others imitate their limp as it was " fashionable?" Not even Princess Diana reached that level of fame.
she went by Victoria Mary until she became queen, after which her husband asked her to choose a name. She choose to be Queen Mary, since there was already a Queen Victoria @@lonnie4789
I enjoyed watching the to videos on Catherine Parr's daughter and the Two Princes in the tower. Look forward to watching more of your videos. My husband (now passed away) has descendants of the Parr family living in the Wirral, in England. We visited them and found them to be very interesting people, and owners of a fascinating home and properties that contain gardens dedicated to famous authors. Thank you for doing your research. I look forward to following more of your work.
Loved this video, what amazing history. I like Caroline of Brunswick’s story, puts any dysfunctional royal marriages if today’s era in the shade. I’m glad Camilla was properly acknowledged on the list too
She was NEVER Princess of Wales. The Queen would not allow her to be, she was the Duchess of Cornwall
@@phoenixrises5169 Wife of the Prince of Wales, she was indeed the Princess of Wales she just didn’t use the title.
@@phoenixrises5169the late Queen allowed it the moment she allowed the marriage to occur. Upon marrying the Prince of Wales, one becomes Princess of Wales.
nonsnese. the queen has never said any such thing and Camilla was Pss of Wales but did not use the title.@@phoenixrises5169
Thank you for this video and lovely voice of presenting it.
My Preferred Princess of Wales is The Wonderful, Adorable and Beautiful HRH Princess Catherine Middleton, Wife Prince William 💖🏴🇬🇧👑💖👏👏🌹💗🌼💖💖🌟🌟💐
What a subject so thanks for the information.
Thanks Sally. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Your videos are always worth watching. There is always something new to learn.
Thank you so much :-)
Excellent as always! Thank you for saying that Camilla was still the princess of Wales, even though she didn’t use the title. She would’ve still been queen. Had she not been crowned in a double ceremony with King Charles. People don’t seem to understand that.
Mistress consort is all Camilla will ever be
@@MyBizOnlu how rude and spiteful. If Camilla was the horrible person you paint her , she would have called herself Princess of Wales to spite the Diana lovers but she was sensitive to public opinion.
It's like saying if any couple (e.g the Smiths) divorce and the man remarries that the second wife should not be called Mrs Smith.
Don't be so petty. If Charles had been able to marry Camilla in the first place then Diana would not have come to anyone's attention but his bossy, hard faced mother would not 'allow' him to marry the woman he loved and forced him to marry an immature, damaged girl just because she was a virgin. Diana was no saint - how many men was she with? 3? 4? 5? At least Charles was only unfaithful to her with ONE woman.
Camilla has never been princess or wales it is in my mind that Diana and Catherine are true princesses
@@StravaiginHippy I don’t believe Charles not being able to marry Camilla as an ok for their two decades of adulterers (he could have held out and so could have married Camilla but truth is she was in love with the man she married.). Diana cheated too and that was no excuse but I do feel more sorry for Diana because she was so young and had not received the memo that her marriage was an arrangement and not affection and commitment. Charles and Camilla were shameful and they were epic about it. But, they finally married and she is trying to serve her country so for that, I give her that respect.
@@StravaiginHippy Diana believed that Charles had more than Camilla on the side.
Thank you. That was very interesting.
Oooh 41 minutes👀 this oughta be good😈 also wasn’t it the Stuarts who had none? It went from Katherine of Aragon straight to Caroline of Ansbach so 212 years!
Correct! You are really good. Even I had to sit and think about it as I putting the video together and make my way through all the monarchs in order to figure out all the factoids.
@@HistoryCallinghehe I have ocd- idk if the obsessive part makes me so good at memorising historical dates and facts; if so, at least I get a perk out of it :))
@@HistoryCalling Math is hard for us liberal arts people. 😊
@@perniciouspete4986funnily enough, I am an absolute train wreck at math😭😭 I suppose people have different brain and intelligence types- I am a humanities type haha
lmao actually I was wrong, because I counted KoA’s tenure as Princess as ending in 1502, with le mort du artur😭
You make fantastic videos. Your voice alone is great. I could happily listen to you talk all day. But the well researched facts-first style is so nice.
Just recently found your videos, and I love them!!! So excited for you hitting 200,000 subscribers! I'm watching everything you've made from oldest to newest and they are excellent!!! I enjoy the sound of your voice, and I really admire the amount of effort and research you put into these videos! Take care of yourself! You are awesome!
It is very interesting that there’s been so few Princesses of Wales. It seems to have been a combination of either no male heirs or heirs who died before marriage, especially during the very long gap after Catherine of Aragon (I count the end of her tenure as 1509, mostly because Henry VIII was so horrible to her.)
I think Mary of Teck is my favorite PoW, though Alexandra gets forgotten often. I’m glad you included Camilla in this list; I thought during the years between her marriage to Charles and before becoming queen that she was the PoW but just didn’t use the title, like you said. I agree that she was briefly known as Queen Consort to avoid confusion, just because everyone had been used to referring to “The Queen”, Elizabeth II, for 70 years, and there had to be a brief period of adjustment, especially the first month or so.
The current Princess of Wales is lovely. :)
or heirs who didn't marry until they were already kings
Great video, thank you. What about Mary I, who was called Princess of Wales by some, although never formally created as such?
I considered her for a second, but as she was never actually legally or physically invested I decided she didn't count. Had she held the title properly, it would have been trickier for it to go to her brother Edward when he was born.
Very interesting, good topic, & I learned lots!
Thanks Beth. Have a lovely weekend :-)
@@HistoryCalling You too! Mine's been awesome, thanks- I planted lots of flowers & herbs, & watched Upstart Crow (comedy with David Mitchell as Shakespeare, HIGHLY recommend!) on zoom with my Russian friend, & tomorrow I'm going to a sheep cheesery to admire baby lambs & have lunch. Yay for Spring!
28:55 Funny enough, another motivating factor for the name change was that Edward III had been known as Edward of Windsor before his accession to the throne, and he did a thing that many a good English monarch did… invaded France. So even while they were in an alliance together there was still quiet snipping between Paris and London 🤣
Yeah, I think quiet snipping between Paris and London is something that'll never fully cease :-)
Well done. I didn't know there were so few & none for such a long time & none in the Stuart period.
Hi HC. Apparently I'm not allowed to move (Post-op) but damn their rules - I feel ok. I have a week to catch up with missed presentations now - which is a GOOD thing 😀 Interesting choice of subject. You missed one though. Shirley of Tiger Bay - altogether now ..... "Goldfingerrrr ............" Wah wah wahhh. Hope you're keeping well and thanks for the usual bang tidy job.
Now now, be careful please and do what the doctors say. I don't want one of my best followers dropping dead! Of course I do approve of you watching HC videos while you convalesce. :-)
@@HistoryCalling your approval neither needed nor required. I do it voluntarily and willingly 🤣
Glad to hear it. Please do get well soon 😃
@@HistoryCalling Thank you. 🙏😘
Very interesting and enjoyable.
I like Catherine of Aragon because she moved into a nunnery. Can you please do a video on aelswith who was Alfred the greats wife
I would love to do some Anglo-Saxon material, but sadly I don't think it would do well. It's a struggle to get people to even look at the medieval videos (excluding the Wars of the Roses).
@HistoryCalling That is so sad. I'd love to learn more about Richard the Lion heart and King John.
What I've read about the two were very unflattering. 😢
Do you have suggestions on books I might be able to find?
@@HistoryCalling That is really unfortunate, because I find the three Edwards and their Queens to be fascinating, not to mention Henry II and especially his Queen, Eleanor of Aguataine.
This was a very informative and enjoyable video, thank you for all the time and effort you put in to make this video.🙂
Thank you. Glad you liked it :-)
Excellent.
As for this week’s question, what are your thoughts on James II? Personally, I don’t make him out to be the villain he so often is portrayed as. He didn’t try to end Protestantism nor execute Protestants, he just made changes to allow Catholicism. I also feel deeply for Mary of Modena, and it he must’ve been heartbroken at the betrayal of both his daughters
Not as good of a politician as his brother Charles, but equally, as you say, not the monster I think some people were worried he might be. Yes, Mary of Modena got a rough deal. All she ever wanted to be was a nun, poor girl. Instead she ended up with James, saw nearly all her children die before her and lived much of her life in exile.
@@HistoryCallingTrue, Charles was actually quite a good king, for all his female rendezvous. James was not the best king, not by far, yet didn’t deserve what he got. And Mary is a great tragedy :(
@@HistoryCalling He had a bit of a tin ear, did James. And stubborn. Charles was nothing if not pliable and able to compromise.
Kings don't get deposed and thrown out of their country because they're great rulers, no matter what their religion--not in England, anyway. James II wasn't even burning hundreds of Protestants like Mary I did.
Like his father, James believed in "the divine right of kings" and "the king can do no wrong," and was an absolutist tyrant, and, like his father, it cost him. His deposition and the installation of his daughter Mary II and son-in-law/nephew William III established the important political principle that sovereignty is determined by Parliament (who are elected by the people) and not by God, so it's extremely difficult to regard them as bad things.
@@perniciouspete4986You *severely* underestimate the xenophobia and religious intolerance of England
Thank you for making this video. One of my favorites 😊
Well done. Since it is very hard to truly know much about historical figures character-wise. I’ll stick with the 3 princesses that are contemporary to me. Diana is my favorite but most probably as she had so much more ability to do good than many prior Princesses of Wales due to her popularity. While I may never feel warmly towards Camilla, I can see she stabilizes Charles (something he apparently really needs), and I appreciate her charity work and acknowledge she does now have the title of Queen. The current title holder, Kate, seems nice and has her supported charities but she is almost too perfect, so I have to still favor Diana who had her very human foibles along with her amazing charity work.
Kate is a product of her time. She wisely learned from Diana's mistakes (many of which weren't actually Diana's fault.) It helps the Kate's husband seems to be doing his part, (Unlike Charles.)
I really enjoy your videos. Im from Nashville, Tennessee a b d I am a big fan of the RF. I learn alot!
Also, here are two video ideas:
-One on Isabella of France (her story was more complex than it seems), and, since, as a medieval video, it probably won’t sell,
- One of Henry VIII’s will, as it incorporates both the Tudors and deaths :)
Yes, why don't the medieval videos (excluding the Wars of the Roses) do well? I've never been able to understand that. Empress Matilda has a fascinting story too for example.
@@HistoryCallingIk!! It is fascinating, yet people are always hesitant to click on something Starz hasn’t done a lousy series on it (I actually like The White Princess and Becoming Elizabeth, though the former greatly deviates from History and the latter has a terrible vocabulary choice😭😭). But hopefully the one on Henry’s will could compensate
I just saw Becoming Elizabeth a few weeks ago actually and I agree that some of the vocab choices were odd and too modern (Elizabeth telling Kat she was 'late' was pretty jarring for instance).
I will take all I can get but Helen Castor also has a good series called She-Wolves that talks about Matilda and Isabella (eps 1 & 2) if interested
Oh I've seen that one. Yes, she's very good.
I've read the history of England. The kings and the queens line. but I never read the princesses of Wales's history before. Then I understand that many names of what I've read before, Jane, Mary, Catherine, Anne Boleyn, tied to this line of the Wales. Thankyou. I learn a lot from this.
Anne Boylen was never Princess of Wales
Thankyou for sharing the detail of the history. I'm still learning. Too many names to remember for beginner.
Diana and Charles' whole marriage was a nightmare- she was so young and he was much!! older, reserved and probably a bit jaded after not being able to marry the woman he'd initially fell for (Camilla). She was young and naive enough to believe it was going to be for love, and by the sounds of things no one corrected her- maybe he thought that it would be tacky to point out he was marrying out of obligation and was assuming that her family had talked to her about it? Their relationship sounded very formal and they only met like 12 times or something so I think someone older and savvier would have picked that up for themselves, but at 19 I don't think she knew what the situation she was getting into was.
Diana is a charismatic person, and was great with the public, and a good mother, but it just sounds like she never fit in with the formality of the royals and had an ever decreasing circle of support. I think the recent revelation about how the journalist got the interview with her involved him forging bank statements to gain her trust and make it look like someone close to her was leaking stuff to the press, I think she started declining bodyguards etc from the royals after that because she felt like she couldn't trust them. There's so many different factors that contributed to just how difficult her life was, and with her having no clue who she could or couln't trust it must have been awful feeling like she couldn't reach out to anyone (and I think she was rebuffing offers of help out of worry they just wanted fresh gossip)
I feel sorry for Camilla too- kinda feels like she was jsut dealt a rough hand, she fell for someone who she 'wasn't good enough for' and they split up and she remained a friend to him before they rekindled their relationship, they're supposed to have only started seeing each other after Charles and Diana's marriage was falling apart (if they started seeing each other before then that's a different story), and she gets some really horrific abuse and called a home wrecker for falling for the wrong person.
Yes, poor Diana. I agree with you that it was a bad idea for the then Prince to marry a barely 20 year old. She was like a lamb to the slaughter with the way the media treated her. I'm sure it was a very lonely existence much of the time.
I always felt Charles at Diana were a huge mismatch from the start, even without the age difference.
I have my doubts that Camilla kept her carnal distance from Charles for much more than a hot minute.
20 is not young
@@NakaidaBeauzec naturally, that's more opinion than statement of fact. Facts are the human brain is not fully developed at 20, so it is reasonable to say someone who has not yet reached full maturity is young.
It is also only 1/4 way through a normal (not average, but reasonably attainable barring accident or acquired illness) lifespan, so from that perspective also 20 is young.
Of course, someone who is 20(ish,) may not feel 20 is young because that age encompasses their entire life experience up to that point.
This was a great idea for a video! Loved it!
Thank you so much :-)
Is it true that when one of his courtiers told George IV about the death of Napoleon by saying "Sire, your greatest enemy is dead!" that he responded "Is she, by God?" mistakenly assuming he meant Caroline?
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Oh that does ring a bell actually, but I'd need to check. It's a great quote if it's true though.
@@HistoryCallingdid you check? Is it?
I always enjoy your videos. Can you do one for Elizabeth of York? I know she is mentioned frequently but she should have her own video.
Very interesting to see them as a group -- and quite sad that so many of them had tragic lives.
Thank you for your great work very interesting ❤❤❤❤❤
You are very welcome :-)
It’s incredible to see the resemblance between Queen Mary and her granddaughter Queen Elizabeth II
Yeah, that Windsor DNA is some strong stuff.
Thank you so much for your informative documentary. Very interesting. 👏🏼😻
I still think that if Charles had grown a shiny spine back in 1973 and stood up to his mother about marrying Camilla, he wouldn't have had to destroy an innocent girl's life in order to get his heir. Remember that he met Diana when she was only 16. He and his family groomed a teenage Diana to be a perfect submissive wife for Charles, and she was naive enough to believe he might have loved her. Camilla had her role to play in this as well. People don't hate Charles and Camilla for their love for each other, but they needlessly destroyed an innocent life and for what purpose?
I don't think he had ever told his mother he wanted to marry Camilla in the early 70s - it was said that at the time he met Camilla and they were together, he felt he wasn't ready to marry yet and too young for this step (which his uncle, Louis Mountbatten, also allegedly told him). Camilla's first husband was also in the picture (as were their parents that wanted them to happen), then the Queen Mother didn't think Camilla was a suitable partner for the future King and that chain of bad decisions or decisions not made led to the whole Diana-Charles-Camilla drama.
Oh, get over it. Diana was no saint. She was the first one to stray in that marriage, not Charles. She had a billion affairs and was capable of being quite cunning and manipulative. She also had a tendency to alert the paps when she wanted to be seen; she loved attention.
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Charles had military duties to fulfill, I believe and when he was shipped off that's when Camilla married her first husband.
Charles met Diana when she was 16 years old but he was not encouraged to start a relationship with her until she was 18 or 19 .The matchmakers were the Queen Mother and Lady Fermoy who were grandmother's to Charles and Diana respectively .
Rose coloured glasses dear
Love love love you're content❤ I'm from Belfast .
Henry VIII called his daughter Mary. Princess of Wales, and even took her to Wales at age 11, (I think) where she was introduced to the people of Wales, and even held a court of law there to decide cases, as Princess of Wales.
Obviously, at some point, Henry considered Mary his legal heir.
He did indeed flirt with the idea of making her PoW, but she was never officially invested which is why I left her off the list.
@@HistoryCalling Thank you. Poor Mary, what an unhappy life she lived overall.
@@HistoryCalling she couldn't have been since 1) King Henry was saving that title for that so desired male heir 2) princess of Wales has so far only been acquired through marriage, since prior to 2013, princesses (except for Queen Anne, who was heiress apparent due to the unique Line of succession established after the Glorious Revolution) couldn't be heiress apparent, only heiress presumptive.
It remains me of another narcissistic Prince of Wales, now King Charles. He wants his grand-daughter Charlotte to become Duke of Edinburgh when Edward passes on. How insane is this? Poor old Charles just never seems to get it straight or get on the proper rails of life.
@@camlacasse3760 no he doesn’t. It Would take a special law for princesses to be duchesses suo jure
Damn Caroline and George IV make Charles III and Diana seem like a match made in heaven
Also fun facts about Camilla: I am still yet to hear her voice. I have never heard her speak!
I have, she sound like a frog is in her mouth moving around and it is very deep.
@@emmiefaison3363 Not true at all. In fact, she sounds so posh and very clear with her speech, ver good voice. Lol I just know you hate her and so everything he does is ugly to you.
@@steph4738 I agree Camilla has a very pleasant voice and maybe Emmie has a problem with her hearing .
Cheers. Good subject.
Thanks Shane. Enjoy and let me know at the end who your favourite is.
@HistoryCalling not finished yet, but I have always had a soft spot for Catherine of aragon. .
Joan and Anne are tragic and interesting. .
On lady of Wales. I recall. Matilda ( Henry 1st ) daughter was called the lady of England. When proclaimed Queen. ( the anarchy) .
Yes, Matilda's is a very interesting story. I have a video on her which I wish more people would watch. She's just as fascinating as the Tudors in my opinion.
@@HistoryCalling oh il check it out , I'm new to your channel. , you were recommended by a friend. A few weeks ago ..
Oh you can really see the family resemblance better queen Mary and queen Elisabeth.
Thank you (and thank your friend too for the recommendation) :-)
Your accent is amazing and your way of speaking is intelligent and melodic at the same time. I laughed aloud when you admonished those who are delusional about Camilla being the Princess of Wales
Thanks Christine. Sadly those admonishments haven't stopped some grumblers here in the comments, but that's not unexpected. 🙄
Of course I loved it, you are the best history teacher ever
I'm anAmerican, Diana and Carherine are tied for my favorite. Both these beautiful ladies are well known and loved by many all over the world. And most of us here in America in my age group have followed them and watched them grow into the women they have become and became. Both beautiful ladies.
Yes, I have a real soft spot for those two as well. Both very classy ladies. I just wish they had had the chance to know one another.