I just watched this movie with my wife. had a very good time. It was a good movie. This is why I don't trust critics. Critics are speaking over our heads to their friends. The movie wasn't confusing at all. They didn't want to say they understood it.
Did these guys watch the same movie that I did? Everything made sense, and the time travel worked the same way as the first film. I think this is the third best Terminator movie.
Liesmith made sense? okay... who sent "Pops" to save Sarah as a child? who sent the T-1000 to kill Sarah as a child? why did the original T-101 arrive in the alternate 1984? why was there already a T-1000 waiting in 1984? why was there a giant vat of T-1000s sitting right next to time machine? if the old T-101 integrated itself into a T-1000's body, why did it still look 70 years old? if Skynet knew what John was going to do, why did it allow the resistance to capture the first time machine at all? if Sarah was raised by a T-101 from the age of 9, why did she have the "no kill" rule when, in the original timeline, she was willing to kill anything to save the future... and DIDN'T have a killing machine as a mentor? why is Sarah Conner chubbier than her original timeline's character when she's been trained since her youth to be the ultimate badass? why does Kyle Reese look like a young Jon Favreau? why doesn't Emelia Clarke show her tits, when she's naked constantly in Game of Thrones? why did the writer pander to fans of the original films, but make the film PG-13? and WHY THE FUCK did they try to insert moronic jokes into EVERY FUCKING SCENE? fuck this movie.
DarylPell I overall enjoyed the movie. But, sure there are plot holes. But, c'mon, there have always been plot holes. Really, unavoidable in time travel stories. In the first one, we are told that only flesh can use the time machine. So, how could a killing machine go through? Well, its okay if it has a flesh skin. Why? Just the way it is. In the first one, Kyle was asked why didn't the Terminator bring advanced weapons? Because of the flesh limitation. Okay, so why didn't the Terminator bring advanced weapons in a pig carcass? How did the liquid metal terminator pass? It can appear as flesh, but, its not flesh. So how did it pass? Why did the machines only send one Terminator either either of the first movies? Why did the humans only send one protector in the first movies? I thought in the first one Kyle said the time machine could only be used once more, thus it was only him and the Terminator, that's it. Don't remember exactly. Who sends the Terminators and the heroes has always seemed muddied to me. If the machines keep trying the time travel solution over and over again, why are they only sending one at a time? And why do they keep letting the humans in to send a protector? Do the machines go, "okay, we sent one of our guys, your turn?" Same question can be asked of T2 and T3. I'd say this movie had even more plot holes than the earlier movies, sure. But, I think that if you want a logically consistent story, time travel stories aren't your bag. But, let me try to answer a couple of your questions: Why did the upgraded T-100 look old after the upgrade? This one is easy! T-1000's have to touch something before it can mimic it. It was touching itself at time of upgrade, so looking like the old Terminator is exactly what you would expect. It could now decide to look like something else, after touching it. So, why did the original arrive in alternate 1984? One explanation could be the parallel universe response. That time travel creates different realities that both exist. And thus the original Terminator went to both the original timeline and the alternate timeline. If you don't like that answer, then, you tell me, when does changing the past "take effect"? What year was Sarah Conner supposed to be about 9? 1970 or so? If the timelines resolve into one timeline, and 1984 is after 1970, then shouldn't the original Terminator land in the timeline set in place in 1970? Honestly, there is no real good answer to this question. But having it show up in the alternate timeline, given that it is a time travel story, seems totally reasonable to me. Why was her personality different? Maybe being exposed to a killing machine most of her life gave her a different perspective on life. You can't really predict how events will change the personality of the person. I agree the movie isn't perfect or as good as the first two. But, this kind of story I think you are wasting your time bitching about plot holes.
I never agree with this group of people... why do I even watch them. The movie was fine, it made sense. There were many parts that were no explained because they wanted to have an a sequel, I would have wanted to know who sent "pops" but we didn't, but I got over it.
Omy You seriously need to get the fuck over your own opinion. You got a different opinion ok, doesnt mean no one else who has an opinion is invalid due to it not being yours. The problem people have is when they jump to 2017 no real reason why they had to do that. It should of stayed in the alternative 80s tbh due to that being interesting. It was sloppy time travel and not very smart. No real reason for them to jump to 2017 or how he could know it when he hasnt even gone to it yet. He comes back from a timeline that doesnt exist, but then gets connected to an alternative timeline by some magic and then they go that way. Thus they then find that John got sent back then. It was just really sloppy how they resolved it. It should of stayed in the alternative 80s and got a full circle better and the first 20mins was cool.
Henbot Well, I like said, I thought it was fine and entertaining. Now you get over your fucked up opinion that it was crappy because it wasn't how you wanted it to be. It is what it is. By the way, I really haven't agree with this group for quite a while now, so I wasn't exaggerating about that. Not a sub anymore for that reason.
You're right, there was no basis for them jumping to 2017...Other than Kyle's "alternate memory" vision, which they were basing nearly ALL their actions on at that point, telling them SPECIFICALLY to do so. What movie did you watch?!
You know what makes me sad, that they get a great Korean actor to star in shitty American movies. Maybe he's happy doing them but after seeing his performance in I Saw the Devil I really really want Byung hun Lee to actually be in a good movie again.
Kshaka Not sure if they were Nikes in the first movie though. I remember he stole a bums pants, gets chased into a store by the police where he picks up an Army jacket and a pair of shoes.
MegaMoose1989 Those shoes he picked up in the original 1984 Terminator were Nikes Vandals. If the movie is going to be a box office success, they might reissue them but it doesn't look like it will turn out well financially.
Loved it, not confusing at all. Had a great time watching it. The time travel stuff is great, there is not correct timeline just an ongoing journey where there are two desired outcomes, 1 Skynet, destroys all mankind and the machines win. and 2, Mankind will stop skynet getting to the point that it releases judgement day. Each side reacts to the other, each time the machine time line is altered Judgement day is on a later date. What is so confusing ?
I honestly loved this movie. You can't go into it expecting Terminator 1 perfection, but still very very entertaining watching Arnold reprise his most famed role. I found the story to be great too as long as I trusted that what they were telling me about time travel all made sense. A great way to pretend Terminator Salvation never happened.
Terminator Genisys is a re imagining and as such was smart and fun. Yes there was hokum for sure but a ton of heart. The concept of the terminator as the surrogate father is a narrative I really liked and hope is explored more. This is my third favorite of the franchise.
Time travel has always had problems in stories. I'm not gonna judge the movie on that. I can't think of one time a story hasn't made it a clusterfuck. Nobody really knows how it works, because we've only moved in one direction at a single pace since time began.
Having now seen the movie I really don't get what your problem with the time travel was. It wasn't even complicated. The only little gripe I have with it is that they traveled foreward close to judgement day instead of say two years before, so they had time to prepare, but that would have made for a boring movie. My only other complaint is the ending. Without spoiling too much, Terminator 2 handled this much better. This was easily by far the third best movie in the franchise. I might even put it on the same level as one (not two, that one is too good). Three and four don't even come remotely close.
I loved the 1st and 2nd terminator movie like most of you, 3rd and 4th were a lets down for me, but Genisys I'm gonna say it, I loved it, first having Arnie back in his role and playing the character to match his age "old but not obsolete" and as we all know, the terminator franchise was always up for altering the timeline weather it be by the resistants, or by skynet, sending back someone or something back in time to alter how the war would change by this one simple act, now i see what they did with sending back a terminator back in time to when sarah connor was a kid, and the next terminator movies will most likely explain why (there has been talks already about it) but i like how they focus back onto sarah and kyle like the first movie instead of just john, and the twist being that the protagonist in the franchise would be the antagonist in this movie is a nice touch in my opinion. I'll admit the trailers spoiled most of it by giving the plot away, but to give it a low rating like that? Man talk about a bunch of dicks.
xellestar Gonna watch The Terminator and the debate will continue, which one was a better movie. Some say the first because of its Film Noir style, relentless theme and lack of rock song fillers. Some love the second for the outstanding action and special effects and the interactions of a cyborg and a 13/14 year old boy.
MegaMoose1989 For me the debate is short and decisive, T2 is better. They had alot more money to work with and the technology had come a long way, and before someone says that effects and big budgets don't make a movie blah blah blah, you're right in a way, you don't need them, but they help. And all things being equal that means T2 wins it but all things are not equal, the actors were better in T2, there was none of the half baked romantic side plot, and the action of the two terminators going head to head is beyond anything seen in the original. T2 did have the somewhat overbearing and overly moody voice over which is a point against it but that wasn't in the whole movie. And finally I think T2 is more timeless, partly because of the effects, and maybe it's just because T2 is more recent, but I think it's more than that, the script is just all around better and has fewer period specific things making it better for people that are new to the series.
Maybe it was my low expectations from the 25% tomatometer....but I really really enjoyed this flick haha. Good action, decent time travel, but fun fun fun Arnold moments. This was great.
Jai Courtney was good in Spartacus, first thing I saw him in so it's kind of sad to see him be in a bunch of crappy movies and keep getting shit, he's alright when he's given something decent to work with. Maybe Suicide Squad will redeem him a bit.
Alexander Forbes I KNOW!!! I don't understand why people hate him so much. He always does a serviceable job or better, he looks the part, what's with the hate.
Okay, so the main complaint from all critics is "The time travel makes no sense." But it actually makes a lot of sense. I understood all of it completely. And the same with Interstellar and Inception. Completely understand exactly what, when, and where the events were happening. I feel like most people tone out exposition that explicitly lays out the concept, and criticize a movie for it, which I don't understand. I don't know, maybe because I've read a lot about Nokivok's theories of time, or maybe because I watch and read too much sci-fi, but I thought, for the most part, the time stuff worked in Terminator Genisys. What DIDN'T work was the nonsense in the action scenes. Particularly the bus/bridge sequence. Like all of that was bullshit. I can understand criticism for that.
I'll 'spoil' it, because I know exactly what you're referring to. "Goddamn time traveling robots, always covering their tracks" If the movie gave us nothing else (and it really didn't give us a whole lot more), it gave us that line as delivered by JK Simmons.
Hell I liked the movie. This is the upteenth time now I've enjoyed a movie that was panned by critics and sites like rotten tomatoes. Check out this movie, it's a fun ride through Terminatorville.
The time travel in Terminator never made sense from movie one, it's whole premise is about a time paradox that makes no sense. What bothered me was how Terminator Connor seemed to be able to teleport from place to place.
Matt...you need to be slapped for even SUGGESTING that Rush MIGHT not be as tight as they used to be. They're still one of, if not THE, tightest bands in history, even in their 60s.
My answer to Ben's question about the scene that "made no sense" (spoilers) . . . The basic complaint, that time travel stories are going to have logical consistency errors is in general valid. You shouldn't think about them too hard in any time travel story. Nevertheless, there is an answer within the story to the scene that made no sense to Ben. Adult Kyle tells young Kyle to remember that Genisys is Skynet. But, adult Kyle had just got done making sure Genisys/Skynet never happens! So why would adult Kyle even need to tell young Kyle? (This is the complaint Ben had, yes?) If so, the answer is given in the story. The timeline that the adult Kyle came from needed to know that information. And, adult Kyle doesn't know how he knows it, he just knows that he knows it. "Pops" said that time travel creates "junction points" (? or something like that, don't remember the exact words.) But that there is implied bleed-through of the alternate timelines. Now, sure, this is stupid. There are always lots of stupid things in time travel stories if you think too hard. You should just try to enjoy it and not make to much of it. But, the bottom line is, Ben's complaint was answered in the story.
The moment Arnold tried to market the new Terminator movie by taking quotes and stuff from the beloved first two films, instead of letting it breathe on its own and stand on its own legs with new original ideas... I knew something's not quite right. Oh, by the way, thanks Hollywood, your sprailers... uhm... troilers... argh come on... I mean trailers saved me some money. A good thing after all.
at the end of this movie, i looked over at my 13 year old brother for his thoughts, and you would think he would've of loved it for the so called "action", but he looks at me and says... "this was convoluted"... and i turned to my dad for confirmation of that fact. i just don't see what the rest of you saw. i mean, to say this was better than Avengers 2 is crazy.
It's for the best to erase T3 and Salvation, I don't hate them as much as other people, they're fine, but they're not great and T2 is great so it would be cool to go back to that and for the Terminator franchise to be great again. But, this was just another fine popcorn movie which is kind of disappointing. P.S. When you're watching a time travel movie you've got to just unplug your brain, if you think about it even a little everything falls apart so that's the only way for it to work. Even the tightest time travel movies can't work if you give them any thought.
This movie was complete horseshit!!! The storyline was confusing. The acting was terrible. The plot twist was given away at the trailers?!?! Which loads to the point as to what was the point of all the previous movies? Really was a terrible movie.
This movie was great. Don't get twisted, don't compare it to things it isn't. It's a fun summer action movie and it delivers. If you accept time travel then all of it makes as much sense as it needs to, which is to say not much. And the action is fine, if not the most outrageous you've ever seen. The only thing that bothered me was when the bus flipped over it looked like they explicitly avoided showing the entire underside so you wouldn't see John. Oh, and the last scene with old and young Kylie actually makes the rest make sense.
Is the third terminator movie considered in-canon anymore? I think they officially or unofficially dropped the third one from the canon when the fourth one came out.
I'm just glad the rights to the Terminator franchise are reverting back to James Cameron in 3 years. It's going to take quite some imagination to save this franchise, but I think that if anybody can do it, James Cameron would be the man.
1 and 3 were the best. 2 was good, but not the best. 4 was meh. This one was pretty good. Better than 4 but not as good as 2. Their reviews were spot on. Action was great, but alternate timelines/realities made no sense at all. It sounds like they just made up a bunch of gibberish to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about.
***** I "reported" him because this douche bag Chris Wright likes to go to peoples comments and "report them for bullying" like he's some fucking five year old. I'm actually ok with torrenting. I was just being an asshole.
They already made a movie about the events of the original 1984 timeline. The actors and mechanics in this movie were not great but it was better than t3 and t4. if you want to see the original watch the original. personally i like the back to the future 2 dynamic.
so after watching all reviews from schmoes, jeremy, and chris stuckmann, What I'm getting here is if you're watching the terminator for the first time or you just want to watch a terminator movie with low expectations(or you just want a Terminator movie better than 3 and 4) you'll love this movie. But if you're a huge fan of the first two James Cameron Terminator movies, you'll hate this movie(in which I think Schmoes, Jeremy, and Chris are huge fans of) In which Ben says as an action movie, this gets a 6 but if you add the storyline, he'll give this 2.8
Well Christie and Alonso are Top Critics on Rotten Tomatoes. I just tend to agree to Schmoes, Chris(both of them contribute their reviews on RT as well), and Jeremyjahns most of the time. Have you seen their Kingsman review? They hated it(except for Ben)while it's on my best movies of 2015.
ChrosTV Writing for RT does not make someone a critic. Especially not one who he himself has said he's not a critic. You know it's practically a degree these days. Studying films. Having film knowledge isn't just about knowing who was in what. Those are just statistics.
Everytime I watch a movie that they review I always disagree with them. Hell man, I enjoyed the film a lot, perhaps paying for a film makes you appreciate it more than freebie critics.
What can I say? I'm no "film critic" but I enjoyed it. The performances were fine. Arnold may be older, but right on the money. I wished that Emilia Clarke kicked ass half as well in Westeros as she did here! The special effects were spot on. Once again I'm happy NOT to be a film critic,
Emilia Clarke is beautiful and a good actor, but I don't buy her as an action star for a minute. It makes me respect Linda Hamilton all the more for how she completely remade herself into a convincing action hero between T1 and T2.
It's kind of pointless to try to rate the film according to how much sense it makes, because these are technological myths. Rate it according to whether or not it stays true to its own premises, and how creative it is. I don't think this one stayed true to its own premises, and it has huge amounts that it has ripped off from the previous films, mainly the first and second ones.
Haven't seen this movie yet. I'm commenting the Jay Courtney guy. I agree most of the movies he has been in sucked and may have hampered his career. But I liked Jack Reacher and thought he made an effective villain there. Especially in the scene where he "takes care of" Sandy. So not a fan yet. But that might be a fault of movies like Divergent that just ruins all persons involved.
The movie must be bad. I've never seen a film critic make masturbation gestures while discussing the nonsensical plot with another critic at 6:35. The tag line of this review is a unanimous "I just gave up on the plot"
It's a shame nobody likes the film. I do. I thought Terminator Genisys was a great film and I thought it was the best Terminator film since Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Arnold was again great as The Terminator. Emilia Clarke was brilliantly cast as Sarah Connor and she did a really good job. Jai Courtney gave an average performance and his acting was not good and Jason Clarke was fine. I was looking forward to TERMINATOR 6 and 7. A shame now they are now not going to happen.
This movie is getting absolutely terrible reviews. And from all types of critics. Jurassic World is mediocre and so is Fast and Furious, but this is just terrible. What are these movies making so much money? And then some of the best blockbusters (and films overall) of the year struggle to become profitable... sad.
Hard to understand! They obviously have not watched enough time travel movies. I feel a little sorry for them if they had trouble maybe they should not be reviewing movies like this perhaps they should stick to simpler fair say Minions should be about right.
It's not a great movie like the first two, but it was a decent two hours in a theater, I give it a C+ or B-. Not bad, not great either. Jason Clarke and Arnold fit their parts the best. Arnold brought humor to it. Emilia Clarke, very good in Game of Thrones, simply does not have the right physicality to play an action hero. She was offered the female lead in 50 Shades of Gray, she's more feminine sex symbol than commando. Jai Courtney is okay but not much personality.
This was the worst movie I've seen in my life. My expectations couldn't have been lower and the movie was still worse. I hastily threw some spaghetti together for dinner and accidentally dropped it on the floor. It made such a heartless mess I called it Terminator Genisys.
The first TErminator had a loop that defied logic, and required Kyle to actually not be Connors dad in the first place. But it was such a good movie you don't care.
The only the way the terminators can exist is if they send a terminator back in time. And the only way John Connor is born is if he send his father back in time. The time loop can't create itself. There had to be an alternative timeline where john Connor was born from a different father who've we up To be a man in the future who then sent Reese back in time and Reese actually alters time and makes him John Connors father instead of his real father . Then the terminators create an altwrnate way for Cyber dyne to exist by leaving the technology in the past when the Terminator is sent back in time . It couldn't have happened if they hadn't first existed in the future in some alternative way. if existence requires that you send someone to the past to create you then we are already dealing with an alternative timeline where time travel already occured and changed the reality.
Oh shit Alonso, did you just knock TRON: Legacy? Not on my watch. That movie is killer, and vastly misunderstood by the legions of autistic stunted manchildren in this society. It's this generation's Blade Runner, mark my words. Its reputation will grow and flourish in the decades ahead.
I just watched this movie with my wife. had a very good time. It was a good movie. This is why I don't trust critics. Critics are speaking over our heads to their friends.
The movie wasn't confusing at all. They didn't want to say they understood it.
Did these guys watch the same movie that I did? Everything made sense, and the time travel worked the same way as the first film.
I think this is the third best Terminator movie.
Completely agree. Not as great as the first two, but miles better than the third and fourth. I really enjoyed this film.
Liesmith made sense? okay... who sent "Pops" to save Sarah as a child?
who sent the T-1000 to kill Sarah as a child?
why did the original T-101 arrive in the alternate 1984?
why was there already a T-1000 waiting in 1984?
why was there a giant vat of T-1000s sitting right next to time machine?
if the old T-101 integrated itself into a T-1000's body, why did it still look 70 years old?
if Skynet knew what John was going to do, why did it allow the resistance to capture the first time machine at all?
if Sarah was raised by a T-101 from the age of 9, why did she have the "no kill" rule when, in the original timeline, she was willing to kill anything to save the future... and DIDN'T have a killing machine as a mentor?
why is Sarah Conner chubbier than her original timeline's character when she's been trained since her youth to be the ultimate badass?
why does Kyle Reese look like a young Jon Favreau?
why doesn't Emelia Clarke show her tits, when she's naked constantly in Game of Thrones?
why did the writer pander to fans of the original films, but make the film PG-13?
and WHY THE FUCK did they try to insert moronic jokes into EVERY FUCKING SCENE?
fuck this movie.
DarylPell You're amazing xD Thank you for understanding that this movie was a fucking mess.
DarylPell I overall enjoyed the movie. But, sure there are plot holes. But, c'mon, there have always been plot holes. Really, unavoidable in time travel stories. In the first one, we are told that only flesh can use the time machine. So, how could a killing machine go through? Well, its okay if it has a flesh skin. Why? Just the way it is.
In the first one, Kyle was asked why didn't the Terminator bring advanced weapons? Because of the flesh limitation. Okay, so why didn't the Terminator bring advanced weapons in a pig carcass? How did the liquid metal terminator pass? It can appear as flesh, but, its not flesh. So how did it pass? Why did the machines only send one Terminator either either of the first movies? Why did the humans only send one protector in the first movies? I thought in the first one Kyle said the time machine could only be used once more, thus it was only him and the Terminator, that's it. Don't remember exactly.
Who sends the Terminators and the heroes has always seemed muddied to me. If the machines keep trying the time travel solution over and over again, why are they only sending one at a time? And why do they keep letting the humans in to send a protector? Do the machines go, "okay, we sent one of our guys, your turn?" Same question can be asked of T2 and T3.
I'd say this movie had even more plot holes than the earlier movies, sure. But, I think that if you want a logically consistent story, time travel stories aren't your bag. But, let me try to answer a couple of your questions:
Why did the upgraded T-100 look old after the upgrade? This one is easy! T-1000's have to touch something before it can mimic it. It was touching itself at time of upgrade, so looking like the old Terminator is exactly what you would expect. It could now decide to look like something else, after touching it.
So, why did the original arrive in alternate 1984? One explanation could be the parallel universe response. That time travel creates different realities that both exist. And thus the original Terminator went to both the original timeline and the alternate timeline. If you don't like that answer, then, you tell me, when does changing the past "take effect"? What year was Sarah Conner supposed to be about 9? 1970 or so? If the timelines resolve into one timeline, and 1984 is after 1970, then shouldn't the original Terminator land in the timeline set in place in 1970? Honestly, there is no real good answer to this question. But having it show up in the alternate timeline, given that it is a time travel story, seems totally reasonable to me.
Why was her personality different? Maybe being exposed to a killing machine most of her life gave her a different perspective on life. You can't really predict how events will change the personality of the person.
I agree the movie isn't perfect or as good as the first two. But, this kind of story I think you are wasting your time bitching about plot holes.
Liesmith Critics are afraid of other critics. They can't just enjoy a movie
Would've been cool to see a Ser Friendzone T-1000.
I never agree with this group of people... why do I even watch them. The movie was fine, it made sense. There were many parts that were no explained because they wanted to have an a sequel, I would have wanted to know who sent "pops" but we didn't, but I got over it.
Omy You seriously need to get the fuck over your own opinion. You got a different opinion ok, doesnt mean no one else who has an opinion is invalid due to it not being yours. The problem people have is when they jump to 2017 no real reason why they had to do that. It should of stayed in the alternative 80s tbh due to that being interesting. It was sloppy time travel and not very smart. No real reason for them to jump to 2017 or how he could know it when he hasnt even gone to it yet. He comes back from a timeline that doesnt exist, but then gets connected to an alternative timeline by some magic and then they go that way. Thus they then find that John got sent back then. It was just really sloppy how they resolved it. It should of stayed in the alternative 80s and got a full circle better and the first 20mins was cool.
Henbot Well, I like said, I thought it was fine and entertaining. Now you get over your fucked up opinion that it was crappy because it wasn't how you wanted it to be. It is what it is. By the way, I really haven't agree with this group for quite a while now, so I wasn't exaggerating about that. Not a sub anymore for that reason.
You're right, there was no basis for them jumping to 2017...Other than Kyle's "alternate memory" vision, which they were basing nearly ALL their actions on at that point, telling them SPECIFICALLY to do so. What movie did you watch?!
T1, T2, and The Sarah Connor Chronicles are the only parts of Terminator I recognize as canon. The rest just muddles it up.
Jai Courtney is the poor man's Sam Worthington and that's saying something
Lol Burn
Gavin48 Thank you for saying what many of us have been thinking! Hahaha
Thomas Aitken Hi Thomas.. You deserve a house, for free.
Thomas Aitken So he's a poor man's poor man?
MrKockNoker People should be building free homes for each other.
When the movie's title is spelt wrong, don't be upset when the movie turns out to be shit.
You know what makes me sad, that they get a great Korean actor to star in shitty American movies. Maybe he's happy doing them but after seeing his performance in I Saw the Devil I really really want Byung hun Lee to actually be in a good movie again.
thePANDEMlC It is either a curse or a trend. Look what happened to Chow Yun Fat, Jackie Chan, and Jet Li when they decided to go Hollywood.
Very true.
thePANDEMlC i heard his role is very brief though.
The silver lining to all of this is if Nike releases a new line of those Kyle Reese's.
Kshaka Not sure if they were Nikes in the first movie though. I remember he stole a bums pants, gets chased into a store by the police where he picks up an Army jacket and a pair of shoes.
MegaMoose1989 Those shoes he picked up in the original 1984 Terminator were Nikes Vandals. If the movie is going to be a box office success, they might reissue them but it doesn't look like it will turn out well financially.
Loved it, not confusing at all. Had a great time watching it. The time travel stuff is great, there is not correct timeline just an ongoing journey where there are two desired outcomes, 1 Skynet, destroys all mankind and the machines win. and 2, Mankind will stop skynet getting to the point that it releases judgement day. Each side reacts to the other, each time the machine time line is altered Judgement day is on a later date. What is so confusing ?
I enjoyed it, and although they left questions open for sequel-bait, it's not that hard to understand.
Kevin McConnell There is a trilogy already in production.
Kevin McConnell pretty sure everyone really followed it, their time thing was just sloppy
I honestly loved this movie. You can't go into it expecting Terminator 1 perfection, but still very very entertaining watching Arnold reprise his most famed role. I found the story to be great too as long as I trusted that what they were telling me about time travel all made sense. A great way to pretend Terminator Salvation never happened.
Terminator Genisys is a re imagining and as such was smart and fun. Yes there was hokum for sure but a ton of heart. The concept of the terminator as the surrogate father is a narrative I really liked and hope is explored more. This is my third favorite of the franchise.
Critics seem to be bizarrely hateting on this movie. Its a good movie , not great but its good. Dont be put off by the critics.
TimeLimey Critics majority is negative get over it.
TimeLimey I think you'll agree that time travel is fun. I dont know why everyone finds it SO confusing.
Time travel has always had problems in stories. I'm not gonna judge the movie on that. I can't think of one time a story hasn't made it a clusterfuck. Nobody really knows how it works, because we've only moved in one direction at a single pace since time began.
Having now seen the movie I really don't get what your problem with the time travel was. It wasn't even complicated. The only little gripe I have with it is that they traveled foreward close to judgement day instead of say two years before, so they had time to prepare, but that would have made for a boring movie.
My only other complaint is the ending. Without spoiling too much, Terminator 2 handled this much better.
This was easily by far the third best movie in the franchise. I might even put it on the same level as one (not two, that one is too good). Three and four don't even come remotely close.
I loved the 1st and 2nd terminator movie like most of you, 3rd and 4th were a lets down for me, but Genisys I'm gonna say it, I loved it, first having Arnie back in his role and playing the character to match his age "old but not obsolete" and as we all know, the terminator franchise was always up for altering the timeline weather it be by the resistants, or by skynet, sending back someone or something back in time to alter how the war would change by this one simple act, now i see what they did with sending back a terminator back in time to when sarah connor was a kid, and the next terminator movies will most likely explain why (there has been talks already about it) but i like how they focus back onto sarah and kyle like the first movie instead of just john, and the twist being that the protagonist in the franchise would be the antagonist in this movie is a nice touch in my opinion. I'll admit the trailers spoiled most of it by giving the plot away, but to give it a low rating like that? Man talk about a bunch of dicks.
just gonna watch T2 for the hundredth time. It's the perfect action movie.
xellestar Gonna watch The Terminator and the debate will continue, which one was a better movie. Some say the first because of its Film Noir style, relentless theme and lack of rock song fillers. Some love the second for the outstanding action and special effects and the interactions of a cyborg and a 13/14 year old boy.
MegaMoose1989 I miss the late 90s before Hollywood starting making horrible squeals to good movies. Can I pretend it's still 1999?
MegaMoose1989 For me the debate is short and decisive, T2 is better. They had alot more money to work with and the technology had come a long way, and before someone says that effects and big budgets don't make a movie blah blah blah, you're right in a way, you don't need them, but they help. And all things being equal that means T2 wins it but all things are not equal, the actors were better in T2, there was none of the half baked romantic side plot, and the action of the two terminators going head to head is beyond anything seen in the original. T2 did have the somewhat overbearing and overly moody voice over which is a point against it but that wasn't in the whole movie. And finally I think T2 is more timeless, partly because of the effects, and maybe it's just because T2 is more recent, but I think it's more than that, the script is just all around better and has fewer period specific things making it better for people that are new to the series.
+MegaMoose1989 Original is best. It was of its time.
+xellestar T5 best one since T2.
Maybe it was my low expectations from the 25% tomatometer....but I really really enjoyed this flick haha. Good action, decent time travel, but fun fun fun Arnold moments. This was great.
Ben Mankiewicz has the perfect wife. She watches everything from movies to TV with him. I'm jealous.
Jai Courtney was good in Spartacus, first thing I saw him in so it's kind of sad to see him be in a bunch of crappy movies and keep getting shit, he's alright when he's given something decent to work with. Maybe Suicide Squad will redeem him a bit.
Alexander Forbes I KNOW!!! I don't understand why people hate him so much. He always does a serviceable job or better, he looks the part, what's with the hate.
Okay, so the main complaint from all critics is "The time travel makes no sense." But it actually makes a lot of sense. I understood all of it completely. And the same with Interstellar and Inception. Completely understand exactly what, when, and where the events were happening. I feel like most people tone out exposition that explicitly lays out the concept, and criticize a movie for it, which I don't understand. I don't know, maybe because I've read a lot about Nokivok's theories of time, or maybe because I watch and read too much sci-fi, but I thought, for the most part, the time stuff worked in Terminator Genisys. What DIDN'T work was the nonsense in the action scenes. Particularly the bus/bridge sequence. Like all of that was bullshit. I can understand criticism for that.
There are only 2 terminator movies. 1&2. The rest of them are involuntary parodies.
I'll 'spoil' it, because I know exactly what you're referring to. "Goddamn time traveling robots, always covering their tracks"
If the movie gave us nothing else (and it really didn't give us a whole lot more), it gave us that line as delivered by JK Simmons.
DashCat9 That one line is the whole Terminator series.
That wasn't the line they meant its more to the end and said by T3000
T-1000 They specifically said that the line they were referring to was said by JK Simmons. Who did not play the T3000.
Hell I liked the movie. This is the upteenth time now I've enjoyed a movie that was panned by critics and sites like rotten tomatoes. Check out this movie, it's a fun ride through Terminatorville.
God I miss wtf.. I know they have breakfast all day but it’s just not the same.
I mean, half the cast is gone, so it won't be the same, but Christy and Zo are great critics and always ten toes down on breakfast all day.
The time travel in Terminator never made sense from movie one, it's whole premise is about a time paradox that makes no sense. What bothered me was how Terminator Connor seemed to be able to teleport from place to place.
Matt...you need to be slapped for even SUGGESTING that Rush MIGHT not be as tight as they used to be.
They're still one of, if not THE, tightest bands in history, even in their 60s.
My answer to Ben's question about the scene that "made no sense" (spoilers)
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The basic complaint, that time travel stories are going to have logical consistency errors is in general valid. You shouldn't think about them too hard in any time travel story. Nevertheless, there is an answer within the story to the scene that made no sense to Ben.
Adult Kyle tells young Kyle to remember that Genisys is Skynet. But, adult Kyle had just got done making sure Genisys/Skynet never happens! So why would adult Kyle even need to tell young Kyle? (This is the complaint Ben had, yes?) If so, the answer is given in the story. The timeline that the adult Kyle came from needed to know that information. And, adult Kyle doesn't know how he knows it, he just knows that he knows it. "Pops" said that time travel creates "junction points" (? or something like that, don't remember the exact words.) But that there is implied bleed-through of the alternate timelines.
Now, sure, this is stupid. There are always lots of stupid things in time travel stories if you think too hard. You should just try to enjoy it and not make to much of it. But, the bottom line is, Ben's complaint was answered in the story.
bye bye!
Why do people always find it so confusing? I mean it's convuluted, yeah, but I feel like I understood it just fine.
The plot was actually very easy to follow. I've no idea if these guys really didn't get it or if they're being deliberately dense.
Tell me you’re a critic, without telling me you’re a critic.
I’m glad I gave this a chance. It absolutely deserved to take off into a trilogy.
The moment Arnold tried to market the new Terminator movie by taking quotes and stuff from the beloved first two films, instead of letting it breathe on its own and stand on its own legs with new original ideas... I knew something's not quite right.
Oh, by the way, thanks Hollywood, your sprailers... uhm... troilers... argh come on... I mean trailers saved me some money. A good thing after all.
at the end of this movie, i looked over at my 13 year old brother for his thoughts, and you would think he would've of loved it for the so called "action", but he looks at me and says... "this was convoluted"... and i turned to my dad for confirmation of that fact. i just don't see what the rest of you saw. i mean, to say this was better than Avengers 2 is crazy.
It's for the best to erase T3 and Salvation, I don't hate them as much as other people, they're fine, but they're not great and T2 is great so it would be cool to go back to that and for the Terminator franchise to be great again. But, this was just another fine popcorn movie which is kind of disappointing. P.S. When you're watching a time travel movie you've got to just unplug your brain, if you think about it even a little everything falls apart so that's the only way for it to work. Even the tightest time travel movies can't work if you give them any thought.
This movie was complete horseshit!!! The storyline was confusing. The acting was terrible. The plot twist was given away at the trailers?!?! Which loads to the point as to what was the point of all the previous movies? Really was a terrible movie.
confirms my speculation, though i'll still see it.
seems the first two, especially the first, will only ever be the good ones.
Kind of wish they stopped at Terminator 2 , 1 and 2 where great films but the following 3 in my opinion just dont compare
Hey Ben you introduced Ivan's Childhood to me last night. Thanks man
This movie was great. Don't get twisted, don't compare it to things it isn't. It's a fun summer action movie and it delivers. If you accept time travel then all of it makes as much sense as it needs to, which is to say not much. And the action is fine, if not the most outrageous you've ever seen.
The only thing that bothered me was when the bus flipped over it looked like they explicitly avoided showing the entire underside so you wouldn't see John.
Oh, and the last scene with old and young Kylie actually makes the rest make sense.
Is the third terminator movie considered in-canon anymore? I think they officially or unofficially dropped the third one from the canon when the fourth one came out.
To really enjoy this film, you need to consider the 2nd, 3rd and 4th films as non canon. It's basically a retelling of the 1st movie.
Toughnut No they didn't sadly, the love interest from 3 Katherine Brewster, is in 4.
I'm just glad the rights to the Terminator franchise are reverting back to James Cameron in 3 years. It's going to take quite some imagination to save this franchise, but I think that if anybody can do it, James Cameron would be the man.
So this is the Evil Dead 2 of Terminator?
1 and 3 were the best. 2 was good, but not the best. 4 was meh. This one was pretty good. Better than 4 but not as good as 2. Their reviews were spot on. Action was great, but alternate timelines/realities made no sense at all. It sounds like they just made up a bunch of gibberish to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about.
Rush are always tight, always fun, their new stuff is AMAZING.
***** Yes, yes, and yes. Just saw them live. A thousand times, yes.
*****
Hey, at least I offered SOME evidence for my opinion. ;-)
There is no way that this could have been any good, and I still have no idea why this was ever green-lighted.
And of course they think they've stopped judgement day but they didn't . Credits scene
I wanted this movie to be good, expected it to be bad. The Guardian completely destroyed it; and after this review, I won't be parting with my money.
They're being elitist, you'll have fun. I only liked Terminator 2, this one isn't as good obviously but it's a fun, good effort
DarKool81 torrenting is your friend kickass.to; there should be a good quality version available by October or thereabouts
Chris Wright reported for illegally pirating content...thief.
Mike Held
Good luck with that mate.
***** I "reported" him because this douche bag Chris Wright likes to go to peoples comments and "report them for bullying" like he's some fucking five year old. I'm actually ok with torrenting. I was just being an asshole.
They already made a movie about the events of the original 1984 timeline. The actors and mechanics in this movie were not great but it was better than t3 and t4. if you want to see the original watch the original. personally i like the back to the future 2 dynamic.
I love that Matt's first comparison is to Rush.
Running into Mr SPock at the end really thru me for a loop
when you all agree, this becomes meaningless. I saw the movie and i liked it a lot.
Yeah, but you wouldn't be saying that if they liked this movie.
FREEGORDOH I saw the movie and didnt like it a lot. Everyone got opinions. get over your own.
Jason Clarke was great on Chicago Code. too bad it only got one season
so after watching all reviews from schmoes, jeremy, and chris stuckmann, What I'm getting here is if you're watching the terminator for the first time or you just want to watch a terminator movie with low expectations(or you just want a Terminator movie better than 3 and 4) you'll love this movie.
But if you're a huge fan of the first two James Cameron Terminator movies, you'll hate this movie(in which I think Schmoes, Jeremy, and Chris are huge fans of)
In which Ben says as an action movie, this gets a 6 but if you add the storyline, he'll give this 2.8
J.J. L. You could try real critics and not just the guys who play pretend being critics online.
Well Christie and Alonso are Top Critics on Rotten Tomatoes. I just tend to agree to Schmoes, Chris(both of them contribute their reviews on RT as well), and Jeremyjahns most of the time.
Have you seen their Kingsman review? They hated it(except for Ben)while it's on my best movies of 2015.
J.J. L. I wasn't talking about wtf but Jahns, Schmoes, and Stuckmann. They're not real critics.
basquat76 Stuckmann definitely is! He also writes reviews for Rotten Tomatoes!
ChrosTV Writing for RT does not make someone a critic. Especially not one who he himself has said he's not a critic.
You know it's practically a degree these days. Studying films. Having film knowledge isn't just about knowing who was in what. Those are just statistics.
Everytime I watch a movie that they review I always disagree with them. Hell man, I enjoyed the film a lot, perhaps paying for a film makes you appreciate it more than freebie critics.
This movie has a LOT of issues but I don't think complexity is one of them.
I guess I'm the only one that doesn't hate Terminator Salvation lol
What can I say? I'm no "film critic" but I enjoyed it. The performances were fine. Arnold may be older, but right on the money. I wished that Emilia Clarke kicked ass half as well in Westeros as she did here! The special effects were spot on. Once again I'm happy NOT to be a film critic,
This is so similar to Kingsman: The Secret Service, it's scary!
Emilia Clarke is beautiful and a good actor, but I don't buy her as an action star for a minute. It makes me respect Linda Hamilton all the more for how she completely remade herself into a convincing action hero between T1 and T2.
dorsk188 Linda Hamilton wasn't suppose to be an action hero in the first, just a average pretty college age girl.
It's kind of pointless to try to rate the film according to how much sense it makes, because these are technological myths. Rate it according to whether or not it stays true to its own premises, and how creative it is. I don't think this one stayed true to its own premises, and it has huge amounts that it has ripped off from the previous films, mainly the first and second ones.
I thought it was hard to follow because I was too high. glad to know it was nonsensical for everyone
I'm sure it pisses off the Terminator purists. I thought it was decent but I'm not big into Terminator anyway. I don't think we need any more of them.
Haven't seen this movie yet. I'm commenting the Jay Courtney guy.
I agree most of the movies he has been in sucked and may have hampered his career.
But I liked Jack Reacher and thought he made an effective villain there. Especially in the scene where he "takes care of" Sandy.
So not a fan yet. But that might be a fault of movies like Divergent that just ruins all persons involved.
The scores are way too damn high here lol
This movie is a nightmare to fans of the first two Terminator movies
Y r most actors now either irish brits or australians...wats the deal?…cheaper for hollywood?
The movie must be bad. I've never seen a film critic make masturbation gestures while discussing the nonsensical plot with another critic at 6:35. The tag line of this review is a unanimous "I just gave up on the plot"
ben should remind people that most movies are fun when they're FREE
I wish people diss Terminator Salvation the action was good, but writing and storyline was not good.
It's a shame nobody likes the film. I do. I thought Terminator Genisys was a great film and I thought it was the best Terminator film since Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Arnold was again great as The Terminator. Emilia Clarke was brilliantly cast as Sarah Connor and she did a really good job. Jai Courtney gave an average performance and his acting was not good and Jason Clarke was fine. I was looking forward to TERMINATOR 6 and 7. A shame now they are now not going to happen.
this movie was freakin ridiculous
This movie was pretty good!
This movie is getting absolutely terrible reviews. And from all types of critics. Jurassic World is mediocre and so is Fast and Furious, but this is just terrible. What are these movies making so much money? And then some of the best blockbusters (and films overall) of the year struggle to become profitable... sad.
This movie would've been better if it stuck to what the first trailer advertised.
Hard to understand! They obviously have not watched enough time travel movies. I feel a little sorry for them if they had trouble maybe they should not be reviewing movies like this perhaps they should stick to simpler fair say Minions should be about right.
Just when I thought I couldn't love Christy anymore, she champions the defense of RUSH. :-D
It's not a great movie like the first two, but it was a decent two hours in a theater, I give it a C+ or B-. Not bad, not great either.
Jason Clarke and Arnold fit their parts the best. Arnold brought humor to it.
Emilia Clarke, very good in Game of Thrones, simply does not have the right
physicality to play an action hero. She was offered the female lead in 50 Shades of Gray, she's more feminine sex symbol than commando.
Jai Courtney is okay but not much personality.
I agree this movie sucked ass.
lemosno To be fair, most people wouldn't know what a good was if you paid them. Its entertainment, not a life sentence in prison.
obviously they have not understood the film even i understand it
casting of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor, whose chirpy demeanor makes this often feel like Teen Beach Terminator.
This was the worst movie I've seen in my life. My expectations couldn't have been lower and the movie was still worse. I hastily threw some spaghetti together for dinner and accidentally dropped it on the floor. It made such a heartless mess I called it Terminator Genisys.
The first TErminator had a loop that defied logic, and required Kyle to actually not be Connors dad in the first place. But it was such a good movie you don't care.
John R elaborate?
The only the way the terminators can exist is if they send a terminator back in time. And the only way John Connor is born is if he send his father back in time. The time loop can't create itself.
There had to be an alternative timeline where john Connor was born from a different father who've we up
To be a man in the future who then sent Reese back in time and Reese actually alters time and makes him John Connors father instead of his real father . Then the terminators create an altwrnate way for
Cyber dyne to exist by leaving the technology in the past when the Terminator is sent back in time .
It couldn't have happened if they hadn't first existed in the future in some alternative way. if existence requires that you send someone to the past to create you then we are already dealing with an alternative timeline where time travel already occured and changed the reality.
Trust me is better than 3 and Salvation.
Salvation was way better than 3
The "A TEAM" is BACK!
Hollywood, if you ever make another Terminator movie.... You and me, we're done professionally!
Apart from Emilia Clarke being horribly miscast its a fun popcorn flick, its not the trainwreck people are making it out to be!
lol I think your giving T-1 too much credit. Nostalgias a hell of a drug. Im right there with you on T-2 though.
low quality review........summaries are not reviews.......ill see a trrailer on flixster and make my own decisions.....
i absolutely hated T3.. it's the near bottom, and i'm sure it's worse than T5 even without seeing it.
How did they find such bland actors for the male leads?
Ya........this movie wasn't Shit
Oh shit Alonso, did you just knock TRON: Legacy? Not on my watch. That movie is killer, and vastly misunderstood by the legions of autistic stunted manchildren in this society. It's this generation's Blade Runner, mark my words. Its reputation will grow and flourish in the decades ahead.
Christy looks to be getting a bit bored with it all around the four minute mark. How do you make sense of an insensible movie?
OK, so Christy is a Rush fan, too? Could she get any more perfect? :-)
Emilia Clarke as Sara Conner wtf she looks 12. Nothin on Linda Hamilton tht alone spoiled the movie for me
Matt, 6:34
Little respect when an actor continues returning to the same trough.
I loved the movie 5 stars in my opinion
As long as John Connor isn't Batman in a new outfit again, this can't be the worst Terminator film.
Dumbest A.I. ever! Just kill off The family lines from the 1700's. No possible way muskets and cannon balls killing off terminators.