David appears very confident in his prognosis of the next 4 years. Perhaps next time the host can ask him about his stance on 2003 invasion of Iraq (alleged weapons of mass destruction). He was afterall, a speech writer for George W Bush. How did that theory work out? David should be less strident in his prognostications given the immense blunder of his support of that disastrous campaign to bring democracy to the middle east. I'm not saying he will be wrong, I'm simply pointing out his track record. Before taking offense, I hope Mr.Frum recognizes that these are the hazards of being a public intellectual. Your predictions will be scrutinized in the future. Final note. With reference to David's comment about the upcoming corruption in the Trump#47 administration; what is his retrospective view on the Halliburton/KBR involvement in the reconstruction of Iraq post Saddam Hussein?
David Frum is one of the few conservative commentators that I listen to because his analysis is right on. We need more people like him, on all sides of the political spectrum, explaining politics to the masses so we can return to respectful dialogue.
A conservative? Like Mitt Romney maybe. Real conservatives are so past those RINO buffoons. He writes for the Atlantic so he’s obviously a Trump hating Democrat hack.
@@tracevicente Yep. Former speech writer for Bush. Son of one of our most famous female journalists (back when we had actual journalists). Doesn't matter. He chose a side and hit rock bottom in 2016. He is the same as Andrew Coyne writing for the Globe and Mail (Hammer and Sickle). A make believe 'conservative' that isn't one. He is just as irrelevant as Coyne.
I heard in another interview that Mr. Frum has decided that it is time for him to step back. I sincerely hope that he stays engaged for us Canadians. We need help to see clearly and frankly, I am having a hard time coping with this much uncertainty. I so appreciate his wisdom.
@@theloniousm4337 “Human shields” is the handy excuse for bombing hospitals, schools, refugees camps, all protected under international law, but no real evidence is provided.
David Frum should not go unchallenged when he equates Democrats being outraged by the slaughter in Gaza to being "pro-Hamas". It is not "pro-Hamas"; it is anti-genocide.
If Israel wanted to wipe out the Palestinians they'd be gone. The Palestinians are still here. The same can't be said of the Palestinians if the power were reversed.
I suspect Mr. Frum is unlikely to read most of the truly inane comments above and below, but if he did I am sure this one would be his absolute favourite.
He didn't say otherwise. Besides, he was speaking about a different topic for which the entire ME was subsidiary. He clearly didn't wish to get distracted and bogged down in a different conversation. Silly to take abbreviated thoughts referencing a situation to be a considered or full view.
I am a big L /small l liberal but always listen intently to David Frum. His arguments are invariably compact and insightful. And I rely on thehub to showcase the conservative perspective free of bile and conspiracy. Great interview.
If the CPI is not to Trumps liking, he will just make them change the numbers, voilà no inflation. Sure some youtubers will talk about the price of eggs, in there town but the CPI will look rosy.
The inflation rate is already down to 2.4%. Trump will just keep repeating the lie that inflation was high until the end of Biden’s term, then own the 2.4% and claim victory. And for many people, that will become their reality.
A 'free market' is very desirable. Sadly, because we live in a secular world suffocating in moral relativism, the 'free market' has been corrupted by plutocrats and career bureaucrats. Unless this disease of broken moral character is fixed, things will only get worse.
Agree re trumpification of Canada. We have to be sooooooooo careful. The pattern is clear. Very clear. I lived in the US early in MAGA … and the patterns are clearly being followed!
disinflation. not deflation. I guess because it implies a tightening of policy, to disinflate from the previous stimulus/inflation. Trumpy Contraction over Biden Expansion? I didn't think it was explained, so I don't know.
Number one priority is we need to get rid of Trudeau. He is not the right foot forward on anything involving the incoming US administration, and Trudeau bungled the trade deal last time. Maybe Trudeau feels he will get another 20 years, and he may seem like a counterweight to the new US reality. But if he will be gone in the short run, he needs to go now.
Trump didn't say we will protect you if you do what we say. He said we will protect you if you do what you said, like Canada's promise to fund its share of the defence burden.
@@terrydanksI think we should be spending more on defence, but not in a way Trump would like. We should be closely watching our northern border and protecting Canadian territorial waters from claims by Russia and the U.S. We should not be allowing shipping through these areas unless other countries pay.
I like his analysis but the Republican party has never tried to "soften the blow" of free trade for those impacted. No support for unions, no support for minimum wages and no support for labor laws.
It's something for which Britain is still angry at Thatcher. They knew they'd cause millions in unemployment, because that's what their policy was intended to do - so as to introduce freer markets. And yet they did so very little to ameliorate the shock they purposefully brought about (however well-intentioned). More, they left people without the capital to actually make new lives, if they ever could. Thatcher kept winning though.
DAVID FRUM: Like yourself, we are tending to turn inward toward family and community matters now that we are in our senior "great grandparent" years. Ron & Heather JAGRAFX.
I followed the Hub regularly until they asked Frum for his opinions about Trump and US politics. My disenchantment with Frum began with his strident hit piece in the Atlantic blaming Trump for COVID. It was so fact free and accusatory that I saw how TDS affects certain peoples’ judgment about the current state of US politics. I now wonder about the Hub’s judgment in thinking Frum is a serious thinker about US politics. I do not say this with any pleasure but with disappointment. On US politics he is a one-trick pony which is why you need to hear from him only once.
Being anti-war during the Vietnam war meant being against US policy, because the US was the ruthless imperial aggressor. In the Ukraine war, it is the Russian empire that is the ruthless imperial aggressor, so ethical people will be against Russian behaviour.
After giving this serious consideration as a Liberal, the election of Trump while I honestly believe is a horrible result for the vast majority of Americans, but could be a great help to the Liberal/NDP coalition. The ugly pictures of mass deportation that are sure to come out of the States along with Trump tariffs will generate massive cross-border shopping and mass inflation in the US. So it becomes very important for us to keep the Liberals in power till an election has to be called, because the worse the right wing does in the US the better for Liberals in Canada P.S. NDP you too...
I am a lifelong conservative voter, and will do so in the upcoming election…but in pure game theory, a Trump win was just what the doctor ordered for the Liberal party of Canada…
Yep, the next couple of years, might be a good learning experience for those in Canada that like Trump. They need to realise that when democracy and the rule of law break down it is us everyday people that get screwed, not the billionaire oligarchs that bankrolled Trump.
I disagree a bit about his take on environmental progress. Consumers have been able force utility companies to buy clean energy. This has resulted in the shutdown of coal fired power plants (e.g. Page, AZ.)
Canada sells three things to the US, raw materials, cars and a few farm products. They want our raw materials, so no big problem there. For cars, we can simply go back to our old model where we will only buy as many cars from them as they buy from us... that model worked fine before we had free trade deals.
David hit on my primary observation about what is behind the growing anti-women sentiment. The soft skills where women excel in the new economy. This will only be exacerbated with advancements in A.I. This bro-movement is almost as darwinian as it is reactionary.
Hmm. So if I understand David correctly we should be worried about aggression from China against Taiwan, being always at the ready to defend a nation half-way around the globe, risking war with China, while at the same time continuing to rely on Chinese imports for a huge swath of inputs to our economy. Good plan.
David's comments are well thought out. They reflect the points that Trump went out of his way to telegraph, especially Trump's iindifference bordering on actual hostility to due process and equality of opportunity. If Trump follows through on these points oven modestly, America is in for a marginalization tsunami and everything that entails. He is especially indifferent to the law of unintended consequences and is especially good at sidestepping blame and responsibility but God help those who find themselves in his orbit when the excrement hits the fan. These are challenging times for thoughtful conservatives.
I agree in principle but to be fair most commentators have the same success ratio as Frum. I listen to him mostly because he more coherent than others. But does he get it right all the time? No.
…to total loser who thankfully has ample family money to retire with. Of course he is PISSED that Trump was reelected, there is no space AT ALL in a Trump administration.
Did David Frum say he wants the Republican Party to be a party of "Freedom" again? I don't know if he has noticed, but we only have main parties in this country and Freedom in this case is only relative. I'm not sure if the alternative party offers any more Liberty than Trump's party. That's why he should be a radical moderate independent like me!
About 14:00 David expresses that attitude that is the REAL reason people were persuaded by Trump. It's not that we don't care about issues, or that we are too stupid to connect tariffs with increased prices, for example. We are smart enough to know that the issues are just talking points. As Kim Campbell famously (and honestly) said, elections aren't the time to debate policy. In the end, corporate donors will call the shots. People voted for change. And Kamala Harris or, more likely her party handlers, couldn't come up with a single thing to say that distinguished herself from Biden. If people didn't want Biden then why vote for Biden 2.0? Had the Democrats actually held a primary process (as the Republicans did) they might have had a stronger candidate and a different result. But all the hand-wringing by the mainstream media talking about white-suburban women and latino men being to blame is so misguided. Lessons must be learned and sadly it appears that the Democrats are so persuaded by the rightness of their thinking that they prefer to blame the voters rather than looking carefully at their own party.
I’ve heard a lot of pundits on the left this week trying to figure out why Trump won. And I think they’ve all pretty much missed the real issue, which (imho) is simple, really. A majority of Americans are angry at a Democrat Party that appears to them as opaque, arrogant and intolerant, a party that won’t listen to their concerns over policies impacting deeply felt issues involving marriage, family (don't screw with my family's values), gender, wokism, education, justice, the economy, forever wars, foreign policy, immigration…you name it… being shoved down their throats. Even the Democratic candidate herself was forced on us all, even though she had not won a single primary vote. . It is written that “pride comes before a fall.” But from what I hear in the news this week, the Democrats are too arrogant and too out-of-touch to understand that they’ve been victimized by a "ballot-box revolution" they didn’t see coming and do not see even now. They were…in effect…vomited out of office by people who just could not stomach them anymore. . Americans don’t want what the Democrats are selling. Simple.
It about as good as any other reason for so many of the low information voters picking the candidate that is most likely to make things worse for them and their families.
I cannot fathom why the Conservative movement in Canada would become pro-Russia. We have a northern border with Russia and Russia has serious ambitions in the north. An expansionist Russia will not be bothered by our borders any more than Russia's border with Ukraine.
@@tamhiker1 I wish that were true. Whether it is Russian and Chinese expansionism or climate change, I fear that too many people need to directly experience catastrophe before they wake up to the obvious threats facing them.
@professorakiba434 Because the "conservative" movement has shifted into a populist movement driven by lack of education, divisiveness, lies and propaganda (much of it from Russia) rather than by traditional conservative principles.
@@tamhiker1with global warming and the sea ice receding the Arctic will become a viable and unimaginable valuable shipping route, most of the route will be through Canadian waters , Russia will be working to change that.
14:28 Trans-gender affects almost nobody DIRECTLY, but indirectly it has had a very wide sweep, e.g. the "cancellation" of anybody in any way questioning its tenets, the deeply oppressive language demands and self-censorship permeating universities, learned societies and even corporations making trans an issue at every turn. I think David greatly underestimates the significance of the impact of trans activists, who hijacked the gay rights movement once the gays got all that they had sought and could go off and live their lives.
Frum is way out of touch when it comes to reasons people voted for Trump. He also appears to have a very warped perspective of Trump himself. He could just about pass for a never Trumper.
Opening up the telecommunications and dairy sectors to more competition would probably be better for the Canadian consumer, lots to be hopeful for with Trump in office! Western Canadians shouldn't have to subsidize Ontario and Quebec industries; either they compete fairly, or fail...
Butter at $6/lb while other milk products go sour on shelves is proof that 'supply management' policies of the dairy industry have failed. If you're managing supply, why aren't you making more of the stuff that's in demand, and less of the stuff that isn't selling? It's not supply management, it's giving inefficient markets an excuse not to change.
First of all dairy is a drop in the bucket of the economy, 2nd of all why bludgeon the dairy producers here while the US is heavily subsidizing their dairy system? Instead I think we'll see a move to harmonize with the US so they can't point fingers at us so easily. ie it becomes yet another way Trump dictates Canadian economic policy as Frum suggests will happen. Feds would have to purchase all the milk quota for tens of billions of tax dollars, then begin a subsidization system mirroring the US. Upside is consolidation of producers will be a good thing for prices and efficiency unless it goes too far and turns into monopolization or oligopolization of dairy. Telecoms - well Starlink is quietly taking over some of the domestic telecom service in Canada despite all the hostility from Ottawa and Washington against it. I love that this is happening and has resulted in Rogers and Telus slashing monthly fees a lot.
You should probably look up what percentage of Canada's GDP is from Ontario (39%) vs that of total of Manitoba west to BC ---combined ---35% 2023 figures
Telus is neither an Ontario nor a Quebec company. Roger’s head office is in Ontario and Bell’s is in Quebec. The latter is getting nipped at the heels by Quebec-based Videotron who could inject some real competition into the market should they choose to. If we open our telecom market, chances are the companies that move in will be from the U.S. None of them have a much better track record than Canadian ones when it comes to pricing and their service is even worse. Just ask an American what they think of their telecoms. I’m not even sure all of the big three in Canada are going to survive the era of cord-cutting. Regulation will just speed that up. I don’t like the industry very much, but I depend on it, so I’m careful about what I wish for. Personally, I’m happy to pay a bit more for poultry and dairy if it supports our local farmers and I hope they leave supply management alone. I spent three decades drinking milk from B.C. cows so I’m pretty sure they’re not all grazing in Ontario and Quebec.
The people who think Trump will help The Palestinians are mental , they doomed their people . I hope they enjoy what we will all get , thanks to their ignorance .
Pro-Russia---- Whatever? Since we Conservatives, have to tolerate the Childish, unreasoning, attitudes, of the so-called Liberals/NDP,, That with their Rainbow, Trans, Woke, Maid, madness, See Russia, China, even NKorea, as at least sane.----,,
Contrary to popular belief, as a Republican and Trump supporter, I wasn't most happy to see liberals devastated by his election on Tuesday. I was most happy to see the Never Trumper-turncoats defeated on election night.
Serious question for David -- how can call for free markets but highly regulated immigration? Why not let labor move freely too? Why MUST the borders be controlled? They need to be orderly, but not let people in as regulated workers?
He doesn't support free trade in slaves either. There are often reasonable objections to decent principles. I think his view is quite a conservative and democratic one, that citizens don't want vast and rapid transfers of people. He's not against immigration but, reasonably enough, seeks orderly legal process for it. Nothing too remarkable, SFAIK.
Andrew Johnson would have admired the Trump view of things. Canadians are in for a wild ride and not in a good way Governments across Canada have to get out of their own way. Example: Multi level farming. Being blocked on many levels. With a few souls going ahead. If we need to produce our own food don't put up roadblocks built by ideologues.
I went to see David Frum in August. He was pretty adamant in proclaiming a Harris win. I don't think he has the pulse of the American people.
Actually, I think he does the vast majority of political pundits were all calling for a blue wave...
David Frum has been wrong about basically everything ever.
Even Allan Lichtman who has been right about almost every election he’s predicted, was wrong about a Harris win.
Frum is always insightful and worth the time. Thanks.
David appears very confident in his prognosis of the next 4 years. Perhaps next time the host can ask him about his stance on 2003 invasion of Iraq (alleged weapons of mass destruction). He was afterall, a speech writer for George W Bush. How did that theory work out? David should be less strident in his prognostications given the immense blunder of his support of that disastrous campaign to bring democracy to the middle east. I'm not saying he will be wrong, I'm simply pointing out his track record. Before taking offense, I hope Mr.Frum recognizes that these are the hazards of being a public intellectual. Your predictions will be scrutinized in the future.
Final note. With reference to David's comment about the upcoming corruption in the Trump#47 administration; what is his retrospective view on the Halliburton/KBR involvement in the reconstruction of Iraq post Saddam Hussein?
"Whatabout? Whatabout? Whatabout?"
@@jakebarnes28 hey dummy, whatabout engaging with his argument instead of just displaying your absolute insufferable idiocy?
My takeaway is you've not heard anything from Frum in twenty years. As he has noted himself, he was a speechwriter not President.
Very well said.
I see you have one detractor who does not believe in historical accountability or reputation.
Well said .
David Frum must be PISSED!
I believe he meant the austerity that will ensue as governments tackle the deficits brought about by paying down the debt?
The man's a fool.
Sorry David, the first woman to lead a major Canadian party was not a conservative but a a socialist, Audrey McLaughlin.
I think he said leader of a country, not a party, Kim Campbell PM for a short time.
@@ms-rx8tw 👍
David is always a fascinating interview. Thanks.
David Frum is one of the few conservative commentators that I listen to because his analysis is right on. We need more people like him, on all sides of the political spectrum, explaining politics to the masses so we can return to respectful dialogue.
A conservative? Like Mitt Romney maybe. Real conservatives are so past those RINO buffoons. He writes for the Atlantic so he’s obviously a Trump hating Democrat hack.
Conservative? 🤣
I agree about the expertise of David Frum I make sure I tune to him, his analysis is right on ...........an American living in Canada.
@@lib556do you know who David has worked for? Yikes.
@@tracevicente Yep. Former speech writer for Bush. Son of one of our most famous female journalists (back when we had actual journalists). Doesn't matter. He chose a side and hit rock bottom in 2016. He is the same as Andrew Coyne writing for the Globe and Mail (Hammer and Sickle). A make believe 'conservative' that isn't one. He is just as irrelevant as Coyne.
David Frum is real fucking good at building straw men, I’ll give him that.
Yes, this is incredible mental gymnastics at work.
@@CmdrPinkiePie he sure is, just ask Sadam Hussein and the good people of Iraq 😉
Apparently Trumps main ethos is “buys rule, girls drool”. I’ve never heard that before but Frum couldn’t possibly be wrong, right?
yep...great wrok if ou can find it....: )
I heard in another interview that Mr. Frum has decided that it is time for him to step back. I sincerely hope that he stays engaged for us Canadians. We need help to see clearly and frankly, I am having a hard time coping with this much uncertainty. I so appreciate his wisdom.
After the election loss, he tweeted that although he planned to retire, he will not retire.
Is being concerned about Palestinian children to be pro-Hamas?
Blaming Israel when Hamas uses innocent citizens as human shields is pro-Hamas. Also ignoring what started this mess is pro-Hamas.
@@theloniousm4337 The "mess" started in 1948. Look up the massacre of Deir Yassin.
It certainly could be. It has the ring of "white lives matter" to it, don't you think?
@@theloniousm4337 “Human shields” is the handy excuse for bombing hospitals, schools, refugees camps, all protected under international law, but no real evidence is provided.
I’ve listened to Mr. Frum for years. I cannot figure out what his political leaning is. ]
No surprise there
David Frum should not go unchallenged when he equates Democrats being outraged by the slaughter in Gaza to being "pro-Hamas". It is not "pro-Hamas"; it is anti-genocide.
You reveal your bias when you use terms like "genocide". There is no genocide. War crimes? maybe. But no genocide.
If Israel wanted to wipe out the Palestinians they'd be gone. The Palestinians are still here. The same can't be said of the Palestinians if the power were reversed.
he didn't do that ("equate democrats.....")
@@jakebarnes28 So I guess Adolph didn't want to wipe out the Jews because some were still there in 1944.
I may not always agree with David Frum, but I always agree with him
I suspect Mr. Frum is unlikely to read most of the truly inane comments above and below, but if he did I am sure this one would be his absolute favourite.
@@uppercape4358 Well, aren't you special.
Saying “Palestinians deserve to be safe and not be killed by the IDF for what Hamas did” isn’t being pro-Hamas.
He didn't say otherwise. Besides, he was speaking about a different topic for which the entire ME was subsidiary. He clearly didn't wish to get distracted and bogged down in a different conversation. Silly to take abbreviated thoughts referencing a situation to be a considered or full view.
It is not pro-hamas. It is anti-Israel
Australia's first female PM, Julia Gillard, was left of center.
I am a big L /small l liberal but always listen intently to David Frum. His arguments are invariably compact and insightful. And I rely on thehub to showcase the conservative perspective free of bile and conspiracy.
Great interview.
If the CPI is not to Trumps liking, he will just make them change the numbers, voilà no inflation. Sure some youtubers will talk about the price of eggs, in there town but the CPI will look rosy.
It’s easy to bamboozle fools .
The inflation rate is already down to 2.4%. Trump will just keep repeating the lie that inflation was high until the end of Biden’s term, then own the 2.4% and claim victory. And for many people, that will become their reality.
Thank you for bringing us the clear thought of David Frum. Clarity is needed right now and you've supplied it.
There is no such thing as a free market. Stop using those words
A 'free market' is very desirable.
Sadly, because we live in a secular world suffocating in moral relativism, the 'free market' has been corrupted by plutocrats and career bureaucrats.
Unless this disease of broken moral character is fixed, things will only get worse.
@@ryleighloughty3307 This idea you have of a true free market is no different than a communist dreaming up "true communism"
Agree re trumpification of Canada. We have to be sooooooooo careful. The pattern is clear. Very clear. I lived in the US early in MAGA … and the patterns are clearly being followed!
Canada is getting a New very Conservative Prime Minister next year I hear?
I’m so sorry ☹️.
- An American
Did Frum say people hate disinflation or lower prices?
disinflation. not deflation. I guess because it implies a tightening of policy, to disinflate from the previous stimulus/inflation. Trumpy Contraction over Biden Expansion? I didn't think it was explained, so I don't know.
It’s all so depressing😢 best of luck from the UK
Number one priority is we need to get rid of Trudeau. He is not the right foot forward on anything involving the incoming US administration, and Trudeau bungled the trade deal last time. Maybe Trudeau feels he will get another 20 years, and he may seem like a counterweight to the new US reality. But if he will be gone in the short run, he needs to go now.
All he's done is intellectualize his prejudices...much of this is nonsense, but it sounds sensible....this is profound intellectual dishonesty.....
Trump didn't say we will protect you if you do what we say. He said we will protect you if you do what you said, like Canada's promise to fund its share of the defence burden.
The only thing Trump ever did that I approve of is his taking Canada to task for its abysmal record on defense spending.
@@terrydanksI think we should be spending more on defence, but not in a way Trump would like. We should be closely watching our northern border and protecting Canadian territorial waters from claims by Russia and the U.S. We should not be allowing shipping through these areas unless other countries pay.
I like his analysis but the Republican party has never tried to "soften the blow" of free trade for those impacted. No support for unions, no support for minimum wages and no support for labor laws.
It's something for which Britain is still angry at Thatcher. They knew they'd cause millions in unemployment, because that's what their policy was intended to do - so as to introduce freer markets. And yet they did so very little to ameliorate the shock they purposefully brought about (however well-intentioned). More, they left people without the capital to actually make new lives, if they ever could. Thatcher kept winning though.
I have no confidence in Justin Turdo's leadership to navigate the new reality that will hit the world Jan 20, 2025. 🤕
Did you happen to notice that Bernie Sanders was re-elected? Maybe campaigning with Liz Cheney wasn't the direction the voters wanted to follow.
They focused on the wrong demographic. Unfortunately.
DAVID FRUM: Like yourself, we are tending to turn inward toward family and community matters now that we are in our senior "great grandparent" years. Ron & Heather JAGRAFX.
I followed the Hub regularly until they asked Frum for his opinions about Trump and US politics. My disenchantment with Frum began with his strident hit piece in the Atlantic blaming Trump for COVID. It was so fact free and accusatory that I saw how TDS affects certain peoples’ judgment about the current state of US politics. I now wonder about the Hub’s judgment in thinking Frum is a serious thinker about US politics. I do not say this with any pleasure but with disappointment. On US politics he is a one-trick pony which is why you need to hear from him only once.
This place and others like it need those like yourself to offer a differing point of view.
Keep going, keep them honest.
Thank you for a great conversation.
Had to be tough for a Trump hater like this guy. He was so cocky before the election now he's eating humble pie!
this is my go to pod on what is actually going on. i no longer trust the mainstream news media.
You realize youtube is now the mainstream media, right?
@@squatch545 Rumble is where it's at, cat!
You are delusional. Any outlet that has Frum on is part of the leftist legacy media.
Gone The Midas touch u will find facts there it’s on utube .
@@vinasel96 Lol....
The Mexican government will be more aligned with Trump? This surely can’t be right.
I think he said it better suited the state-control posture of Mexican gov.
David, if it's about putting a criminal in jail for those who voted for Trump, WHY don't they want do it to him?
Being anti war now means being “pro Russia” 🙄
Being anti-war during the Vietnam war meant being against US policy, because the US was the ruthless imperial aggressor. In the Ukraine war, it is the Russian empire that is the ruthless imperial aggressor, so ethical people will be against Russian behaviour.
I LOVE DAVID FRUM, HIS MOM WAS A CANADIAN BROADCASTING LEGEND, BARBRA FRUM!! IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY, HE'S SO SMART!!!!!
yes. Sadly she passed away fairly young
Hi what does state control posture i haven't heard that before
After giving this serious consideration as a Liberal, the election of Trump while I honestly believe is a horrible result for the vast majority of Americans, but could be a great help to the Liberal/NDP coalition. The ugly pictures of mass deportation that are sure to come out of the States along with Trump tariffs will generate massive cross-border shopping and mass inflation in the US. So it becomes very important for us to keep the Liberals in power till an election has to be called, because the worse the right wing does in the US the better for Liberals in Canada P.S. NDP you too...
I am a lifelong conservative voter, and will do so in the upcoming election…but in pure game theory, a Trump win was just what the doctor ordered for the Liberal party of Canada…
Yep, the next couple of years, might be a good learning experience for those in Canada that like Trump. They need to realise that when democracy and the rule of law break down it is us everyday people that get screwed, not the billionaire oligarchs that bankrolled Trump.
I disagree a bit about his take on environmental progress. Consumers have been able force utility companies to buy clean energy. This has resulted in the shutdown of coal fired power plants (e.g. Page, AZ.)
Canada sells three things to the US, raw materials, cars and a few farm products. They want our raw materials, so no big problem there. For cars, we can simply go back to our old model where we will only buy as many cars from them as they buy from us... that model worked fine before we had free trade deals.
David hit on my primary observation about what is behind the growing anti-women sentiment. The soft skills where women excel in the new economy. This will only be exacerbated with advancements in A.I. This bro-movement is almost as darwinian as it is reactionary.
In the marketplace of ideas, David Frum is on the shelf at Dollarama.
The journalistic left are in the wilderness.
David Frum is a right-winger and former speech writer for George W. Bush. It's just that the right-wing has gotten so extreme that he seems moderate.
Excellent interview! Thank You!!!
Hmm. So if I understand David correctly we should be worried about aggression from China against Taiwan, being always at the ready to defend a nation half-way around the globe, risking war with China, while at the same time continuing to rely on Chinese imports for a huge swath of inputs to our economy. Good plan.
David's comments are well thought out. They reflect the points that Trump went out of his way to telegraph, especially Trump's iindifference bordering on actual hostility to due process and equality of opportunity. If Trump follows through on these points oven modestly, America is in for a marginalization tsunami and everything that entails. He is especially indifferent to the law of unintended consequences and is especially good at sidestepping blame and responsibility but God help those who find themselves in his orbit when the excrement hits the fan. These are challenging times for thoughtful conservatives.
David frum seems to be 75% wrong on most things. He's not stupid, but clearly, he has some areas of his mind he does not explore
Right on Point...often talented people are BLINDED by their own LIght
I agree in principle but to be fair most commentators have the same success ratio as Frum. I listen to him mostly because he more coherent than others. But does he get it right all the time? No.
75% wrong or 75% different than your opinion?
"seems". What 'areas of his mind' does he not 'explore'?
David Frum....from one time right wing darling and propagandist to....?
…to total loser who thankfully has ample family money to retire with.
Of course he is PISSED that Trump was reelected, there is no space AT ALL in a Trump administration.
He’s sounding like a never Trumper lite.
This election was blood sport for the MAGA base.
Insightful conversation! Thanks for doing this! In essence the world is screwed (f*ncked) 😢
Did David Frum say he wants the Republican Party to be a party of "Freedom" again? I don't know if he has noticed, but we only have main parties in this country and Freedom in this case is only relative. I'm not sure if the alternative party offers any more Liberty than Trump's party. That's why he should be a radical moderate independent like me!
Canada was fine before Mulroneys free trade.
Never did like this guy. Why did he not mention the impact of the threat of tariffs on say our lumber industry?
He is absolutely right
it's not about being pro Russia but about being anti war ... that's my view on the war in Ukraine ... the men are all dying
David I like your line about criminals belong in jail. So what's the world worst criminal doing? His going to the white house. WOW
i enjoy listening to opions that are different than my own two things can be right at the same time . open mind closed mind you pick
Yes, in the US an incoming Dem is always handed a slammed economy. Biden & Obama both were faced with handling it all...
Totally missed this election…again.
Hope your consulting fees have been rerated accordingly!
Brilliant analysis
Frum had a bad case of Trump DS
About 14:00 David expresses that attitude that is the REAL reason people were persuaded by Trump. It's not that we don't care about issues, or that we are too stupid to connect tariffs with increased prices, for example. We are smart enough to know that the issues are just talking points. As Kim Campbell famously (and honestly) said, elections aren't the time to debate policy. In the end, corporate donors will call the shots. People voted for change. And Kamala Harris or, more likely her party handlers, couldn't come up with a single thing to say that distinguished herself from Biden. If people didn't want Biden then why vote for Biden 2.0? Had the Democrats actually held a primary process (as the Republicans did) they might have had a stronger candidate and a different result. But all the hand-wringing by the mainstream media talking about white-suburban women and latino men being to blame is so misguided. Lessons must be learned and sadly it appears that the Democrats are so persuaded by the rightness of their thinking that they prefer to blame the voters rather than looking carefully at their own party.
When David speaks I hear his mother talking
Pundits are clueless.
I’ve heard a lot of pundits on the left this week trying to figure out why Trump won. And I think they’ve all pretty much missed the real issue, which (imho) is simple, really. A majority of Americans are angry at a Democrat Party that appears to them as opaque, arrogant and intolerant, a party that won’t listen to their concerns over policies impacting deeply felt issues involving marriage, family (don't screw with my family's values), gender, wokism, education, justice, the economy, forever wars, foreign policy, immigration…you name it… being shoved down their throats. Even the Democratic candidate herself was forced on us all, even though she had not won a single primary vote.
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It is written that “pride comes before a fall.” But from what I hear in the news this week, the Democrats are too arrogant and too out-of-touch to understand that they’ve been victimized by a "ballot-box revolution" they didn’t see coming and do not see even now. They were…in effect…vomited out of office by people who just could not stomach them anymore.
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Americans don’t want what the Democrats are selling. Simple.
David Frum finally a wholesome critique of the Republican/Conservative mindset, world view, Truth to Power;
I spent 42 years as a conservative, but now totally left Mr PP, and Maga smith.
Lack of education…working class people believe an autocracy is a country that does not allow auto imports…. so endorsed Trump.
lol
You don't have to be to educated to know that tax dollars going to sex change operations for federal inmates is kinda a bad idea...
It about as good as any other reason for so many of the low information voters picking the candidate that is most likely to make things worse for them and their families.
Someone needs to buy David a real webcam.
I cannot fathom why the Conservative movement in Canada would become pro-Russia. We have a northern border with Russia and Russia has serious ambitions in the north. An expansionist Russia will not be bothered by our borders any more than Russia's border with Ukraine.
Canada is in ZERO danger from Russia.
Calm down.
@@tamhiker1until Russia and China (who has no border issue) move into the Arctic. Don’t be so stupid. This was one issue where Harper nailed it.
@@tamhiker1 I wish that were true. Whether it is Russian and Chinese expansionism or climate change, I fear that too many people need to directly experience catastrophe before they wake up to the obvious threats facing them.
@professorakiba434 Because the "conservative" movement has shifted into a populist movement driven by lack of education, divisiveness, lies and propaganda (much of it from Russia) rather than by traditional conservative principles.
@@tamhiker1with global warming and the sea ice receding the Arctic will become a viable and unimaginable valuable shipping route, most of the route will be through Canadian waters , Russia will be working to change that.
It was a waste to fight so hard to promote a tiny group.
Reduce size of goverment is what needs to be done for sure canada, and he is wrong
14:28 Trans-gender affects almost nobody DIRECTLY, but indirectly it has had a very wide sweep, e.g. the "cancellation" of anybody in any way questioning its tenets, the deeply oppressive language demands and self-censorship permeating universities, learned societies and even corporations making trans an issue at every turn. I think David greatly underestimates the significance of the impact of trans activists, who hijacked the gay rights movement once the gays got all that they had sought and could go off and live their lives.
triggered :D
13:05-13:45 100 percent correct!
Frum is way out of touch when it comes to reasons people voted for Trump. He also appears to have a very warped perspective of Trump himself. He could just about pass for a never Trumper.
Frum is wrong on almost everything exept himself…
Opening up the telecommunications and dairy sectors to more competition would probably be better for the Canadian consumer, lots to be hopeful for with Trump in office! Western Canadians shouldn't have to subsidize Ontario and Quebec industries; either they compete fairly, or fail...
Butter at $6/lb while other milk products go sour on shelves is proof that 'supply management' policies of the dairy industry have failed.
If you're managing supply, why aren't you making more of the stuff that's in demand, and less of the stuff that isn't selling?
It's not supply management, it's giving inefficient markets an excuse not to change.
First of all dairy is a drop in the bucket of the economy, 2nd of all why bludgeon the dairy producers here while the US is heavily subsidizing their dairy system? Instead I think we'll see a move to harmonize with the US so they can't point fingers at us so easily. ie it becomes yet another way Trump dictates Canadian economic policy as Frum suggests will happen. Feds would have to purchase all the milk quota for tens of billions of tax dollars, then begin a subsidization system mirroring the US. Upside is consolidation of producers will be a good thing for prices and efficiency unless it goes too far and turns into monopolization or oligopolization of dairy. Telecoms - well Starlink is quietly taking over some of the domestic telecom service in Canada despite all the hostility from Ottawa and Washington against it. I love that this is happening and has resulted in Rogers and Telus slashing monthly fees a lot.
You should probably look up what percentage of Canada's GDP is from Ontario (39%) vs that of total of Manitoba west to BC ---combined ---35% 2023 figures
@@jlgcannuck so what? If they're that amazing then they don't need us to prop up their monopolies now do they?
Telus is neither an Ontario nor a Quebec company. Roger’s head office is in Ontario and Bell’s is in Quebec. The latter is getting nipped at the heels by Quebec-based Videotron who could inject some real competition into the market should they choose to.
If we open our telecom market, chances are the companies that move in will be from the U.S. None of them have a much better track record than Canadian ones when it comes to pricing and their service is even worse. Just ask an American what they think of their telecoms.
I’m not even sure all of the big three in Canada are going to survive the era of cord-cutting. Regulation will just speed that up. I don’t like the industry very much, but I depend on it, so I’m careful about what I wish for.
Personally, I’m happy to pay a bit more for poultry and dairy if it supports our local farmers and I hope they leave supply management alone. I spent three decades drinking milk from B.C. cows so I’m pretty sure they’re not all grazing in Ontario and Quebec.
Pro Hamas????
The people who think Trump will help The Palestinians are mental , they doomed their people . I hope they enjoy what we will all get , thanks to their ignorance .
nice lighting
Have you heard about misogynist ..
Spell check altered misogynism
Frum’s a windbag
Immigration and open borders/invasion are two different concepts and you know it Frum. Allowing in 20 million migrants in is vote harvesting.
Pro-Russia---- Whatever? Since we Conservatives, have to tolerate the Childish, unreasoning, attitudes, of the so-called Liberals/NDP,, That with their Rainbow, Trans, Woke, Maid, madness, See Russia, China, even NKorea, as at least sane.----,,
Vote harvesting? When they vote for Trump?
So, where were those 20,000,000 votes that Kamala brought in? You utter muppet.
excellent
So funny watching a guy who has stood in a pile of his own $hit for years backpeddling.
Spin spin spin...
Out of touch!!
Honestly. What a load of nonsense.
Canadian citizens First
David Frum is brilliant!
We need a new government. This one will be a disaster with Trump as President🇨🇦
He is a snake in the grass. To believe anything this guy says is beyond weird. I would trust this guy to walk my dog.
Not!,,
Another clueless elitist…
Very sure of himself, isn't he, David Frum? The insults hurled a Biden are offensive and BS.
BS are factual, but the offence is emotional.
Biden did good things, sadly coupled with the tailwind of covid and inflation. Voters were majority trauma bonded with Trump long term.
What will be happening to the axis of evil?
The American voters just increased the axis of evil by joining them ! I think they will rename it !
Contrary to popular belief, as a Republican and Trump supporter, I wasn't most happy to see liberals devastated by his election on Tuesday. I was most happy to see the Never Trumper-turncoats defeated on election night.
But they haven't turned. So they aren't the turn-coats. Regardless, why were you so happy to see them defeated?
Serious question for David -- how can call for free markets but highly regulated immigration? Why not let labor move freely too? Why MUST the borders be controlled? They need to be orderly, but not let people in as regulated workers?
He doesn't support free trade in slaves either. There are often reasonable objections to decent principles. I think his view is quite a conservative and democratic one, that citizens don't want vast and rapid transfers of people. He's not against immigration but, reasonably enough, seeks orderly legal process for it. Nothing too remarkable, SFAIK.
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Canadians hate Trump….this is Trudeau’s opening to a 4th win
Celebrity endorsemants and name calling are not a formula for winning the public support..
Frum's Predictions are less than stellor
you mean "stellar"
David sums I see this shaping as well
Andrew Johnson would have admired the Trump view of things. Canadians are in for a wild ride and not in a good way
Governments across Canada have to get out of their own way. Example: Multi level farming. Being blocked on many levels. With a few souls going ahead. If we need to produce our own food don't put up roadblocks built by ideologues.
Frum is my favorite intellectual. He is brilliant at explaining the most complex concepts in terms that anyone can understand.
Make me a sandwich.