All the factors BJ mentioned are often taken into the equation when comparing all time greats of different eras. Comparing across eras isn't easy, but it's not extremely difficult either. It can be unfair, if enough factors are ignored.
somebody was averaging 30+pts in a much slower pace game , without spacing and with at least one 7-footer clogging the paint (with another 240LBS Power Forward nearby)..they all know who the GOAT is ..they all know..too many now are afraid to hurt feelings..the other has not even won a regular season MVP in his 30s..
@Dollaupt 😂what are those "alot of rules" you are referring to?! Players were bigger and Taller..the JT, KDs couldn't have started as "power forward" back then as it would have meant guarding CB4, Mailman, CWebb, etc....
@@tellall23 In the 1990s NBA defense was penalized for playing zone defense and for not committing to double-teaming a player Teams couldn't help off non-shooters to pre-rotate and stop a bigger scoring threat.
Dude, the difference now is the 7-footers shoot Threes! And MJ shot the ball exponentially more than James does on a nightly basis. He was the league's first true volume shooter. More than Chamberlain, Maravich, Havlicek, Monroe, West and anyone else you can think of. And LeBron should've won the MVP Award in both 2005 and 2006 over Nash, but the writers, who don't have a set criteria with which to assess a player's annual performance, basically give the award to whomever they want to have it. LeBron's numbers were twice as good as Nash's. Do the research and check it for yourself. MJ averaged 30 ppg for his career and James has averaged 27 ppg for his which has been 6 years longer, which is much more difficult to do at an advanced age. That's one 3-point shot better. James has almost twice as many Rebounds and over twice as many Assists and he's still adding to his totals. He's a machine. No one has ever played as well as he has this late in their career. He's averaging 23, 9 and 8 this season so far and he's not even having a good season to this point. James wins by attrition because he's always going to be the last man standing.
@@MrPTR91You (rightly) say it is more difficult to average a higher number as you get older, and that’s all week and good… but seem to ignore it’s also harder to compete with stat TOTALS when you’ve played EIGHT YEARS FEWER. Of course LeBron has more assists and rebounds than most other players in league history. He SHOULD have more. Now give Jordan (or any other era’s greatest players) the same no hand checking, PEDs, equipment, training, etc that LeBron has and see how they fare. Of course that’s impossible, making these cross generation comparisons largely moot.
based on bj's reasoning, MJ's skill would translate even better today if you're not allowed to be super physical with him. Lebron would suffer because it was a big man's game in the 90's, if he couldn't even get pass dwight howard, imagine him running into alonzo mourning, patrick ewing, Dikembe, David Robinson etc
I’m mot sure who lied to you and told you that you were allowed to be physical with Jordan without the whistle being blown. Jordan had arguably the best whistle from the refs in the history of the nba. Couldn’t touch him or breathe on him without it being a foul.
@@2robjenkins obviously you never watched any games. Jordan was picking himself up off the floor nightly. There was a reason he stopped going to the hoop. You forget that hand 🖐️ checking was allowed. You have no clue what you are talking about. Could you just imagine if MJ could have taken 5 steps like they do now? 🤣🤣🤣 it would be over for the other team. ALSO THERE HAS BEEN NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA THAT HAS BENEFITED FROM SPECIAL TREATMENT THAN LEBRON. He literally has walked with the ball to half court and not been called for traveling with every player pointing at him while doing it. So please get up off your knees it’s embarrassing
Lebron’s involvement in these debates are purely manufactured by his PR camp. He barely belongs in the top 12 given that the top 10 are winners who contributed heavily to the success of their franchises and their championships werent accomplished by building superteams or by the nba commissioner blatantly interfering. A manufactured legacy
B.J. said it like many other players who really knew,and being around MJ... the man probably averaged 3 to 4 hours of sleep before many games he played, even playoffs! Also, either playing golf the same day or gambling the night before, imagine if he would have had a full night's rest. There's MJ and then the rest!
@@malikseifullah5828 sorry, I should have clarified. Bron isn't one of the top 5 players that I've seen play in my lifetime. Can't compare him with Wilt, Russell, or those guys.
If LeBron had of played more like Scotty Pippen and stop trying to play like he was a point and got over his fear of executing (killer instinct)he would have been the goat.
Only thing Lebron really has over MJ is passing which many past greats had over MJ anyway such as Bird and Magic. MJ is a far better rebounder for his position he averaged more offensive rebounds than Lebron as a shooting guards. Defensively MJ was better at peak and was consistent with his defensive effort over time where as Lebron use to play it in spurts then it’s turned into gradually nothing. Then offensively your biggest Lebron fan is going to give scoring to MJ. Better freethrow shooter shot blocker steals Man U name it MJ is better in every category.
@Dollaupt You are making no sense as usual. MJ better in more categories which makes him better player that’s why I mentioned Bird and magic in my comment they were better passers as well but MJ was superior to them in many categories. This is what u do when u compare players…Or maybe I should say it in way you can understand. Ya ya ya Bron yayaya mj yayaya ya ya. Like why type that non sense?
@@Rumble225-qe7fy bro that’s based off your opinion & criteria but the facts say mj ain’t at the top the list in nun of those categories when you look at nba history James leads Jordan in nearly every other statistic. Jordan leads in points, averaging 30.1 to 27.1, but James beats Jordan in rebounds, 7.5 to 6.2; assists, 7.4 to 5.3; field goal percentages, 50.5 to 49.7; and 3-point percentages, 34.7 to 32.7.
So, look. Lebron ran away from Cleveland because he didn’t know how to win, joined Wade and Bosh and stacked the team to help him get 2 rings, still got waxed by Tim Duncan and Dirk and JJ Barea. Stacked his team in Cleveland, won one but got waxed by Steph and KD twice. Won in the bubble in LA with AD and Rondo and Dwight Howard. And he’s never been a consistently great defender. 1. Mike 2. Kobe 3. Duncan 4. Kareem 5. Magic 6. Shaq 7. Bird 8. Curry 9. Russell 10. Lebron
Stop comparing MJ to LeBron . Lebrón is more like Scotty Pippen. LeBron wants to be MJ & Kobe so bad, but his outside game is trash( in the 30 percentile).
Allen Iverson is definitely better than LeBron. Shaq, Vince Carter, Tim Duncan, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley and some more were all better than LeBron.
People acting like LeBron having no consideration is weird. He’s easily the best player of the last 20 years. Wilt was the greatest of his own era and no one ever brings him up.
I didn't think about it like that 🤔 He was drafted in 03.. that's only a few years removed from the 90's. Jordan did play in the 2000's (he was old but he still did) plus Lebron averaged 20 his rookie season. He did see multiple eras and dominated 💪 Makes sense
Bj now tell how they change the rules for Mike because we all know that he didn't win nothing until the Mike rule came out hell if you look at him wrong they calling a foul and yall know it he should be the goat because the rules applied to him Jim knows it too hell
Sorry BJ , you are talking trash! The variables you are talking about are not significant. Jordan is the best anywhere any galaxy anytime. Don’t give me that unfair comparison nonsense. One guy could dominated on another level , the other just keeps playing to remain relevant and never really dominated the league as the fan boys say.
Lebrons game hasnt improved since he came in the league at all. If he developed a post game or something i could considered him 2nd. But the dude literally has been finessing us on defense. For 20 years.... BUT, he has the power to dictate everything around him. Lebron draws up up his own game winners for goodness sake....MJ the GOAT
@@___Anakin.Skywalker Anakin, no offense but your comments expose the fact that, when it comes to Jordan, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Questioning his scoring greatness, calling him a ballhog, describing him as 'basic'??!! It's painfully obvious that you didn't see MJ play throughout his career, ergo your opinions on him and his Era are void of any CREDIBILITY. You can continue regurgitating false social media narratives all you want but nothing you type into a RUclips comment section is ever going to change the fact that the biggest majority have Jordan as the GOAT. There are levels to greatness. Jordan occupies a different stratosphere.
BJ Armstrong takes definitely sound more logical than any of so called analysts nowadays
Yeah cause he cooked mj a few times when he was playing for the hornets so it’s no bias in his take & he won rings with him
All the factors BJ mentioned are often taken into the equation when comparing all time greats of different eras. Comparing across eras isn't easy, but it's not extremely difficult either. It can be unfair, if enough factors are ignored.
23 in RED... all day everyday
Lebron i know huh 💪🏾
somebody was averaging 30+pts in a much slower pace game , without spacing and with at least one 7-footer clogging the paint (with another 240LBS Power Forward nearby)..they all know who the GOAT is ..they all know..too many now are afraid to hurt feelings..the other has not even won a regular season MVP in his 30s..
Na that era also had alot of rules that helped him with that
@Dollaupt 😂what are those "alot of rules" you are referring to?! Players were bigger and Taller..the JT, KDs couldn't have started as "power forward" back then as it would have meant guarding CB4, Mailman, CWebb, etc....
@@tellall23 In the 1990s NBA defense was penalized for playing zone defense and for not committing to double-teaming a player Teams couldn't help off non-shooters to pre-rotate and stop a bigger scoring threat.
Dude, the difference now is the 7-footers shoot Threes! And MJ shot the ball exponentially more than James does on a nightly basis. He was the league's first true volume shooter. More than Chamberlain, Maravich, Havlicek, Monroe, West and anyone else you can think of. And LeBron should've won the MVP Award in both 2005 and 2006 over Nash, but the writers, who don't have a set criteria with which to assess a player's annual performance, basically give the award to whomever they want to have it. LeBron's numbers were twice as good as Nash's. Do the research and check it for yourself. MJ averaged 30 ppg for his career and James has averaged 27 ppg for his which has been 6 years longer, which is much more difficult to do at an advanced age. That's one 3-point shot better. James has almost twice as many Rebounds and over twice as many Assists and he's still adding to his totals. He's a machine. No one has ever played as well as he has this late in their career. He's averaging 23, 9 and 8 this season so far and he's not even having a good season to this point. James wins by attrition because he's always going to be the last man standing.
@@MrPTR91You (rightly) say it is more difficult to average a higher number as you get older, and that’s all week and good… but seem to ignore it’s also harder to compete with stat TOTALS when you’ve played EIGHT YEARS FEWER. Of course LeBron has more assists and rebounds than most other players in league history. He SHOULD have more.
Now give Jordan (or any other era’s greatest players) the same no hand checking, PEDs, equipment, training, etc that LeBron has and see how they fare.
Of course that’s impossible, making these cross generation comparisons largely moot.
based on bj's reasoning, MJ's skill would translate even better today if you're not allowed to be super physical with him. Lebron would suffer because it was a big man's game in the 90's, if he couldn't even get pass dwight howard, imagine him running into alonzo mourning, patrick ewing, Dikembe, David Robinson etc
I’m mot sure who lied to you and told you that you were allowed to be physical with Jordan without the whistle being blown. Jordan had arguably the best whistle from the refs in the history of the nba. Couldn’t touch him or breathe on him without it being a foul.
@@2robjenkins obviously you never watched any games. Jordan was picking himself up off the floor nightly. There was a reason he stopped going to the hoop. You forget that hand 🖐️ checking was allowed. You have no clue what you are talking about. Could you just imagine if MJ could have taken 5 steps like they do now? 🤣🤣🤣 it would be over for the other team. ALSO THERE HAS BEEN NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA THAT HAS BENEFITED FROM SPECIAL TREATMENT THAN LEBRON. He literally has walked with the ball to half court and not been called for traveling with every player pointing at him while doing it. So please get up off your knees it’s embarrassing
Lebron’s involvement in these debates are purely manufactured by his PR camp. He barely belongs in the top 12 given that the top 10 are winners who contributed heavily to the success of their franchises and their championships werent accomplished by building superteams or by the nba commissioner blatantly interfering. A manufactured legacy
Top 25 is appropriate because he didn't want to compete as a superstar franchise players
200% there is no real debate
4 chips 4 finals mvps, 41,000 points, 20 all nba teams but not a debate? Lmao
Completely agree
🚶🏾♂️ It is literally no point at all.... These guys are delusional asf.
B.J. said it like many other players who really knew,and being around MJ... the man probably averaged 3 to 4 hours of sleep before many games he played, even playoffs! Also, either playing golf the same day or gambling the night before, imagine if he would have had a full night's rest. There's MJ and then the rest!
MJ vs Lebron debates are unfair because Lebron isn't even top 5 all time.
Yeah I agree because he's the 🐐 top 5 is too low IMO
Name 5 guys greater, I can give you four guys who have a great case 2 ultimately fall short the other 2 are right there
This is a completely dishonest take. I'm okay with saying MJ is the goat but Bron not top 5 is ridiculous
@@malikseifullah5828 sorry, I should have clarified. Bron isn't one of the top 5 players that I've seen play in my lifetime. Can't compare him with Wilt, Russell, or those guys.
Indeed any 1 had a failed record of not bringing the Gold in Olympic is no Goat!
If LeBron had of played more like Scotty Pippen and stop trying to play like he was a point and got over his fear of executing (killer instinct)he would have been the goat.
Again lubum is the greatest over rated player of all time 💯
Only thing Lebron really has over MJ is passing which many past greats had over MJ anyway such as Bird and Magic. MJ is a far better rebounder for his position he averaged more offensive rebounds than Lebron as a shooting guards. Defensively MJ was better at peak and was consistent with his defensive effort over time where as Lebron use to play it in spurts then it’s turned into gradually nothing. Then offensively your biggest Lebron fan is going to give scoring to MJ. Better freethrow shooter shot blocker steals Man U name it MJ is better in every category.
Mj the goat right then he should be better at that as well simple
@Dollaupt Magics the best passer ever so does that make him the goat? You dudes are dense asf
@@Rumble225-qe7fy so why mention it when speaking on bron then ya contradict ya self when ya want the narrative to fit ya argument
@Dollaupt You are making no sense as usual. MJ better in more categories which makes him better player that’s why I mentioned Bird and magic in my comment they were better passers as well but MJ was superior to them in many categories. This is what u do when u compare players…Or maybe I should say it in way you can understand. Ya ya ya Bron yayaya mj yayaya ya ya. Like why type that non sense?
@@Rumble225-qe7fy bro that’s based off your opinion & criteria but the facts say mj ain’t at the top the list in nun of those categories when you look at nba history James leads Jordan in nearly every other statistic. Jordan leads in points, averaging 30.1 to 27.1, but James beats Jordan in rebounds, 7.5 to 6.2; assists, 7.4 to 5.3; field goal percentages, 50.5 to 49.7; and 3-point percentages, 34.7 to 32.7.
I'll say it for you Michael Jerry Jordan is the goat
Jeffery
He knows
When the guest is better prepared than the host
So, look. Lebron ran away from Cleveland because he didn’t know how to win, joined Wade and Bosh and stacked the team to help him get 2 rings, still got waxed by Tim Duncan and Dirk and JJ Barea.
Stacked his team in Cleveland, won one but got waxed by Steph and KD twice.
Won in the bubble in LA with AD and Rondo and Dwight Howard.
And he’s never been a consistently great defender.
1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. Kareem
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Curry
9. Russell
10. Lebron
Stop comparing MJ to LeBron . Lebrón is more like Scotty Pippen. LeBron wants to be MJ & Kobe so bad, but his outside game is trash( in the 30 percentile).
It’s Michael Jordan and then everyone else, it’s definitely an unfair comparison because LeBron is and has never been in MJ’s level.
Just cut to the chase. We all know it’s MJ
Touch football vs tackle football
Simple!
IMPOSSIBLE MY BUTT MJ IS THE GOAT END OF STORY
Top Five: Magic, Jordan, LEBRON, Duncan, Kareem
If you went to a Diddy party, you are not the GOAT
😂😂😂
#23 BULLS🐐👑👌🏽
Jordan is the GOAT; Lebron is the KING. "We can enjoy one without tearing down one." - Kobe Bryant
Appreciate.🙏🏾❤️👑🐐🏀🌎👏🏾
Lebron is BETTER than MJ, but it's the manner of reaching the best that made MJ GREATER than Lebron.
IS LEBRON "GAY BOULE" JAMES BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI IN RELATION TO THE DIDDY CASE ??
Allen Iverson is definitely better than LeBron. Shaq, Vince Carter, Tim Duncan, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley and some more were all better than LeBron.
🤡🤡🤡🫵🫵🫵🫵
People acting like LeBron having no consideration is weird. He’s easily the best player of the last 20 years. Wilt was the greatest of his own era and no one ever brings him up.
Can we at least concede that LeBron has played in at least 2 or 3 of these “eras” people always run to. And he has been top 3 in everyone of them!
I didn't think about it like that 🤔 He was drafted in 03.. that's only a few years removed from the 90's. Jordan did play in the 2000's (he was old but he still did) plus Lebron averaged 20 his rookie season. He did see multiple eras and dominated 💪 Makes sense
He played in the dead ball era of the 2000s which was the hardest era to score in and scored 30 a game while being efficient.
The women are different too 😅
Bj now tell how they change the rules for Mike because we all know that he didn't win nothing until the Mike rule came out hell if you look at him wrong they calling a foul and yall know it he should be the goat because the rules applied to him Jim knows it too hell
LeBron lacks in skill and fundamentals
..case closed
Sorry BJ , you are talking trash! The variables you are talking about are not significant. Jordan is the best anywhere any galaxy anytime. Don’t give me that unfair comparison nonsense. One guy could dominated on another level , the other just keeps playing to remain relevant and never really dominated the league as the fan boys say.
Bj cooked mj plenty of times &’won rings with him so he don’t see him how ya do simple as that
Lebrons game hasnt improved since he came in the league at all. If he developed a post game or something i could considered him 2nd. But the dude literally has been finessing us on defense. For 20 years.... BUT, he has the power to dictate everything around him. Lebron draws up up his own game winners for goodness sake....MJ the GOAT
King James
Its unfair for Jordan cause Lebron gon easily run him ova. Jordan so basic bruh he a Bradley Beal if he be playing today
Next level delusion. Period.
@theresak2024 facs Jordan stans border on delusional. Jordan can't even reach 40k point despite being a ballhog
@@___Anakin.Skywalker One more time... next level delusion ☝
@@theresak2024 what do u mean
@@___Anakin.Skywalker Anakin, no offense but your comments expose the fact that, when it comes to Jordan, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Questioning his scoring greatness, calling him a ballhog, describing him as 'basic'??!! It's painfully obvious that you didn't see MJ play throughout his career, ergo your opinions on him and his Era are void of any CREDIBILITY. You can continue regurgitating false social media narratives all you want but nothing you type into a RUclips comment section is ever going to change the fact that the biggest majority have Jordan as the GOAT. There are levels to greatness. Jordan occupies a different stratosphere.
Lebron all day
In your mind, maybe. Not in the minds of the majority.
Jordan is the most overrated player in NBA history. And yes, I watched his entire career.