"Nothing's gonna stop the Spearfish from getting your ass. It's a lot of fun!" Aaron, you have a very interesting idea of fun. Yes...a very different breed.
Hi Aaron. I was a Nuke on the USS Barb. One day we were playing target. We were running our EPM, because our boat was too quiet for the other guys to track. I was on watch in machinery space lower level. I got to run the outboard. One torpedo, a Mk. 48 hit the outboard. There was a very loud bang as the boat shook the outboard stopped. Control ordered me to restart it and I closed the breaker. A ten inch ball of fire came out of the switch and it did not start. They ordered me to restart it. I refused to. The chief electrition came down, I Told him that I wouldn't do it if I were you, he reclosed the breaker and a two foot ball of fire came out. They then ordered me to raise the outboard and I didn't want to until we surfaced and sent a diver over to see what was there. When we changed it in drydock the shaft was moved 2 inches by the impact. Thanks Aaron, I love your podcasts.
I would be willing to bet the 40cm tube was a liner that was created to choke the tube down to 40cm for those smaller diameter weapons. You can always make a tube smaller rather easily, it's making them bigger that's harder.
"The Royal Navy doesn't play" I as an American would expect nothing but their _best_ out of their submariner branch.🧐 'Perisher' is no joke. You should do a video on that test.
Hull design predating the Charlie class? I imagine it was rather effective training for the young crews. They have been through simulated hell together. I had the Honor of putting many teams through simulated hell. A 45 minute run would have them exiting their stations sweating, in 70 degree space. Trained a bunch of newbee Zeros in ASWO school. Had to sink 4 ships before they realized I (Commie sub CDR) was serious. Then they got serious, dug into their training and handed me my hat every time. :-)
I just realized you took down the Sonar Analysis series. I probably understand why but they will be missed, one of the most interesting videos on your channel
@8:00 that sort of dedication to sources is amazing to see on RUclips. Right up there with the WW2 channel and great to see. All the more so as such a tidbit of info wouldn't be likely to get into a published paper given the single source
Great video on the Bravos, Aaron. They were one of the few purpose-built training subs in the world. I believe the USN had a very similar diesel sub class for training and research. The sad face on S-310's sail says it all. Wonder how it's fared the ongoing war in Ukraine. Poor little sub.
How loud would the bang be when you were hit with a dummy torpedo? Those sailors had balls of steel to crew these subs and have torpedos fired at them!
I am a big fan of both your channels here in RUclips. I really enjoyed this lecture as I have all others. I am looking forward to the upcoming series. Thank you!
@9:35. THIS is how the world feels when the USA and Myanmar talk imperial. 😅 No complaints. Thanks for using metric when possible. Great video as always!
Thank's a lot, the Bravo class is a new for me! And I was a "Cold War Junkie" teenager in the 80's... and loved your narrative about been chased by a torpedo... "... the Terminator keep comming..." kkkkkkk
very good video never herd of this class of Auxiliary submarine. you should do some more briefs on the rest of them. which there is 7 more Russian Auxiliary submarine classes
I love your vids man! But I am a bit sad that you haven't made one about the Hotel class, and the K19, so would love to see one with that class. Have a blessed new year!
3000kg weight dropped from 20m delivers a kinetic impact equal to a 1000kg torpedo running at 66 knots; or a 2000 kg torpedo running at 46 knots. I guess it is a good test for what the sub is made for. E=m.g.h (for the weight) E=1/2.m.v^2 (for the torpedo)
I wonder if this class were a predecessor to the later Kilo class? Quite similar in many areas. Especially the single propulsion system. Seems to have a lot of batteries. So Ukraine had some submarines, I bet they wish they still had them. Even if they just welded racks to the sides and used them to carry mines into Russian waters near Sevastopol. Retired US Captor mines spring to mine. The sub with the 40 cm tube may have been a relined 53 cm one. That would be simpler than a redesign for the smaller tube. As the Seawolf has 25 inch tubes relined to 21 inch. Interesting humped hull, reminds me of an Astute class.
Honest question, did the Soviet Union actually think our torpedoes, (by that time) were designed to “strike” the subs we fired upon? Because, I believe by ‘62, we were at the blowing up “under” the vessel? Either way, it’s very interesting they wanted a “target” sub.
They were testing 'their' weapons. I guess they had to strike the hull or more likely they were testing the ability of their torpedo to track a sub in evasion and sometimes the sub got hit by them. This isn't a surface ship keel breaking shot. I suspect an anti-submarine warhead would indeed work better as a hull contact getting through any outer hull first rather than it absorbing any damage protecting the pressure hull.🤷♂️
It shouldn't be that much of a stretch to think that they designed at least one Bravo with a 40cm tube for testing. It is a testing platform after all and just like it makes sense for them to use the Bravo for hunting testing versus a full up submarine the same logic applies to the 40 cm tube for testing different weapons.
I appreciate this wouldn't have happened, but had circumstances been different, and had you been offered the chance to do one cruise and target exercise as an experienced sailor / trainer on board a Bravo, would you have gone for it?
As a canadian that can speak freedom units and the metric system listening to you try to read the stats off in kg and tons is like nails on a chalk board 😂
I'm just surprised at all the testing the Russians did before putting them into service. With precautions, in case something goes wrong ! Very un-Soviet (specially in the 60s).
yea, nothing like having a 2-tonne tube hitting my hull at 45knts...while submerged...testing the guts of my sub to resist being compromised...at depth: aka, poking a balloon with a pencil under water. Great!!!!!!!!! sign me up!!!!!!!
It's clear that Russian torpedos can hit things. The question is how close did they have to get to the Bravo to get a firing solution? I wonder if she was made extra noisy lol
Wow if the Russian despatch their Bravo-class sub to Philippine seas and secure the sea boarders for China during Taiwan reunification with mainland China. The US navy should takes this into accounts for potential changing elements 😅
Question: If a nuclear power detects an ICBM launch from under water, how can they know who that was? If Russia detects one, how do tzey know wether it's the US, China, UK or whoever?
Aren't your calculations of kilotons off a fair bit? I admit I don't need to use tons in my life, I live in the UK so metric is the norm. But it doesn't seem right to me. 🤔 I'm not being funny. Just want to understand what I have wrong
@@sadwingsraging3044 I suppose I did, I was ok at maths in school but I think everyone tuned out when they were teaching imperial units. Imperial belongs in the days of the British Empire if you ask me lol. Metric makes so much more sense (in more ways than one). Why 99% of the worlds country's use it I guess. I just wish we would get rid of miles on our roads. It's madness when very few people under 35 know how many yards in a foot or feet in a mile. I only know an inch is around 25cm because my ruler shows inches 😅.
@@AdamMGTF Metric is so simple I consider it the measurement system of simpletons!😉 Man I am glad we're weren't conquered by the French and I am doubly glad that Frenchman got lost on the way here. Ran a machine that worked in metric so I had to convert what I wanted it to come out as in inches and fractions of an inch into metric mumbo jumbo. Did it for _years_ and not a single bit of the metric stuck with, or on, me. I know 13mm is close enough to use for a 1/2" wrench and that is about it. Frankly the _only_ true Civilized measurement system is in Feet and the Foot is broken down into tenths then the tenth is broken down into hundreths and thousandths of a Foot.🧐
@@sadwingsraging3044 very strange. I mean metric is all in 10s. It's hard not to understand it. It's interesting that the US military uses metric. I wonder if the military of Myanmar does?
Heh okay you really got yourself in a knot over the weight of torpedoes. A kiloton is a thousand metric tons. Each metric ton being two thousand two hundred pounds and change that would put a single kiloton weight weapon at 2,204,622 pounds. Thus your two kiloton weapon weight at 4,409,245 pounds. Not so much. :) Your very first definition of a two metric ton weapon which would be 4,408 pounds or so is much closer to correct.
Glad I wasn't going daft. I'm English and imperial units are as foreign to me as Chinese glyphs. So when I heard something metric seem out by many orders of magnitude I was very confused. No idea how the US and Myanmar manage. My grandparents were imperial through and through. But it was all nonsense to me growing up in the 80s and 90s!
@@SubBrief I was amused and it gave me a few minutes of research to learn the difference between our standard ton and a metric ton. This old dog taught himself a new one today.
@@AdamMGTF Well it is all in what you are used to. Grow up in America and the imperial system is what you will use for basically everything. Any time metric gets pulled into the conversation I am getting onto the internet and pulling up the converters to keep it all straight.
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"Nothing's gonna stop the Spearfish from getting your ass. It's a lot of fun!"
Aaron, you have a very interesting idea of fun. Yes...a very different breed.
I'm special. lol
Hi Aaron. I was a Nuke on the USS Barb. One day we were playing target. We were running our EPM, because our boat was too quiet for the other guys to track. I was on watch in machinery space lower level. I got to run the outboard. One torpedo, a Mk. 48 hit the outboard. There was a very loud bang as the boat shook the outboard stopped. Control ordered me to restart it and I closed the breaker. A ten inch ball of fire came out of the switch and it did not start. They ordered me to restart it. I refused to. The chief electrition came down, I Told him that I wouldn't do it if I were you, he reclosed the breaker and a two foot ball of fire came out. They then ordered me to raise the outboard and I didn't want to until we surfaced and sent a diver over to see what was there.
When we changed it in drydock the shaft was moved 2 inches by the impact.
Thanks Aaron, I love your podcasts.
The movie Dolphin's Cry is on youtube under it's Russian title "Крик дельфина". No subtitles or anything, but still pretty cool to see.
There are some Google street-view photos suggesting Hull 4 was still abandoned on that same mooring as of October 2021.
The torpedo in your opening was NOT 2 kilotons in weight, it was 2 metric tons or approximately 4500 pounds. Great video.
I would be willing to bet the 40cm tube was a liner that was created to choke the tube down to 40cm for those smaller diameter weapons. You can always make a tube smaller rather easily, it's making them bigger that's harder.
I love your lectures! I never heard of this class!
"The Royal Navy doesn't play"
I as an American would expect nothing but their _best_ out of their submariner branch.🧐
'Perisher' is no joke. You should do a video on that test.
Imagine serving on a boat named after a rather fetching haircut! 😂
Well, the torps ARE fwd, so yeah. Business up front.
Stop trying to make “fetch “ a thing
@@joemanthei3251 he isn’t using the word in that way.
"WHOOOOOA, Mama!!!..." 🤣🤣🤣
Kefal is a common fish in the Black Sea… I don’t think she was named after a haircut😂
Always look forward to your excellent briefs
Glad you like them!
In your S-226 hull 2 slide the sub to the right has a very interesting bulb on the top of the bow - that would be something to look into!
That's a Project 633RV, a Romeo modified with two external 65cm torpedo tubes for testing heavyweight torpedoes and missiles.
Hull design predating the Charlie class? I imagine it was rather effective training for the young crews. They have been through simulated hell together. I had the Honor of putting many teams through simulated hell. A 45 minute run would have them exiting their stations sweating, in 70 degree space.
Trained a bunch of newbee Zeros in ASWO school. Had to sink 4 ships before they realized I (Commie sub CDR) was serious. Then they got serious, dug into their training and handed me my hat every time. :-)
I just realized you took down the Sonar Analysis series. I probably understand why but they will be missed, one of the most interesting videos on your channel
@8:00 that sort of dedication to sources is amazing to see on RUclips. Right up there with the WW2 channel and great to see. All the more so as such a tidbit of info wouldn't be likely to get into a published paper given the single source
Great video on the Bravos, Aaron. They were one of the few purpose-built training subs in the world. I believe the USN had a very similar diesel sub class for training and research. The sad face on S-310's sail says it all. Wonder how it's fared the ongoing war in Ukraine. Poor little sub.
How loud would the bang be when you were hit with a dummy torpedo? Those sailors had balls of steel to crew these subs and have torpedos fired at them!
I am a big fan of both your channels here in RUclips. I really enjoyed this lecture as I have all others. I am looking forward to the upcoming series. Thank you!
@9:35. THIS is how the world feels when the USA and Myanmar talk imperial. 😅 No complaints. Thanks for using metric when possible. Great video as always!
Thanks!
Welcome! Thank you very much! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and all the other holidays happening now.
Thank's a lot, the Bravo class is a new for me! And I was a "Cold War Junkie" teenager in the 80's... and loved your narrative about been chased by a torpedo... "... the Terminator keep comming..." kkkkkkk
Wow! I’ve never heard of this one. I’m trying to remember if it was in Polmars book.
Hope you had a merry Christmas! Excellent content 🫡
Merry Christmas. I'm doing great.
@@SubBrief hey are you still going to do a brief about the Moskva class helicopter carrier from the 80’s? 😬
oh man, so if there is no training simulator on the computer, I guess we are firing torpedo at friendlies then 🤔
Never heard of this one
Awesome presentation Aaron! Have you considered doing a Kilo Class sub brief? It's an awsome sub that deserves some love!
Yes I have, the Kilo is already out there in the archives. You might have to dig for it.
@@SubBrief Thanks! Hey, you hyped for Sea Power? Hopes are high we get it within the next year!
Yes!!! Finally a Sub brief 🎉❤
very good video never herd of this class of Auxiliary submarine. you should do some more briefs on the rest of them. which there is 7 more Russian Auxiliary submarine classes
I love your vids man! But I am a bit sad that you haven't made one about the Hotel class, and the K19, so would love to see one with that class. Have a blessed new year!
Maybe one day! Yeah, the Hotel class is interesting. My dance card is full for 2023, but maybe after that.
@@SubBrief I would love that! Either way, I find your videos so well-made and streams are satisfying so thank you for the time you put into this.
A little confused about river transit from Arctic circle to Black Sea. How is that done? On what river? Placed on a barge?
3000kg weight dropped from 20m delivers a kinetic impact equal to a 1000kg torpedo running at 66 knots; or a 2000 kg torpedo running at 46 knots.
I guess it is a good test for what the sub is made for.
E=m.g.h (for the weight)
E=1/2.m.v^2 (for the torpedo)
I wonder if this class were a predecessor to the later Kilo class? Quite similar in many areas. Especially the single propulsion system. Seems to have a lot of batteries.
So Ukraine had some submarines, I bet they wish they still had them. Even if they just welded racks to the sides and used them to carry mines into Russian waters near Sevastopol. Retired US Captor mines spring to mine.
The sub with the 40 cm tube may have been a relined 53 cm one. That would be simpler than a redesign for the smaller tube. As the Seawolf has 25 inch tubes relined to 21 inch.
Interesting humped hull, reminds me of an Astute class.
What was the sub to the right of the Bravo at 10:00?
India-class. Dsrv mother ship/spec ops boat. Two built, both now decommissioned.
Always interesting!
Maybe Im just old and missed it .. was trying to find a brief on SOSUS
Until you said it, I thought that 50kt torpedo strike meant 50Kt! 😂 I was like, damn! That’s one helluva build! 😂😂
"... Gettin that ass.." 🤣🤣🤣
Honest question, did the Soviet Union actually think our torpedoes, (by that time) were designed to “strike” the subs we fired upon? Because, I believe by ‘62, we were at the blowing up “under” the vessel?
Either way, it’s very interesting they wanted a “target” sub.
i don't know for sure.
They were testing 'their' weapons. I guess they had to strike the hull or more likely they were testing the ability of their torpedo to track a sub in evasion and sometimes the sub got hit by them.
This isn't a surface ship keel breaking shot. I suspect an anti-submarine warhead would indeed work better as a hull contact getting through any outer hull first rather than it absorbing any damage protecting the pressure hull.🤷♂️
It shouldn't be that much of a stretch to think that they designed at least one Bravo with a 40cm tube for testing. It is a testing platform after all and just like it makes sense for them to use the Bravo for hunting testing versus a full up submarine the same logic applies to the 40 cm tube for testing different weapons.
Visually reminds me a bit of the Astutes
Never knew about this sub! 😯
2 kilotons is 2000 tons. Not 2 metric tonnes which is 4400 lbs.
2 tons = 2000kg not kt.
i messed up.
I appreciate this wouldn't have happened, but had circumstances been different, and had you been offered the chance to do one cruise and target exercise as an experienced sailor / trainer on board a Bravo, would you have gone for it?
In my 20's? Yes, I would have done everything to dodge that weapon. It would have been a great instruction on real world torpedo evasion.
As a canadian that can speak freedom units and the metric system listening to you try to read the stats off in kg and tons is like nails on a chalk board 😂
I'm just surprised at all the testing the Russians did before putting them into service.
With precautions, in case something goes wrong ! Very un-Soviet (specially in the 60s).
2 Kiloton of energy!
My man are you crazy? That's tactical nuke level energy!
Neat very interesting 🤔🧐
I think so too!
Kilroy was here
Gotta love exercises. Especially with foreign countries.
Project 690, nice.
yea, nothing like having a 2-tonne tube hitting my hull at 45knts...while submerged...testing the guts of my sub to resist being compromised...at depth: aka, poking a balloon with a pencil under water. Great!!!!!!!!! sign me up!!!!!!!
Fascinating. Great job. I was Like # 688😊.
Thank you so much 👍
Still having issues with the metric system I see, Skipper.
So I take it two metric tons is somewhere between 200kg and 2 megatons, right? 😆
... I'm really bad at math.
It's clear that Russian torpedos can hit things. The question is how close did they have to get to the Bravo to get a firing solution? I wonder if she was made extra noisy lol
2000kg = 2kt? I think it's 0.002kt.
I think I messed up the math.
Literally shooting fish in a barrel 😁
Eh…. Look at the bright side, Chief! Ukraine has lots of $ now!!
_My_ money...😑
Wow if the Russian despatch their Bravo-class sub to Philippine seas and secure the sea boarders for China during Taiwan reunification with mainland China. The US navy should takes this into accounts for potential changing elements 😅
Sub Brief 🤘⚓
Awesome brief! Never knew Bravo existed. Freaking Soviets. Neanderthal balls. LOL
I know, right?
@SubBrief >>> 👍👍
Question:
If a nuclear power detects an ICBM launch from under water, how can they know who that was?
If Russia detects one, how do tzey know wether it's the US, China, UK or whoever?
Aren't your calculations of kilotons off a fair bit? I admit I don't need to use tons in my life, I live in the UK so metric is the norm. But it doesn't seem right to me. 🤔 I'm not being funny. Just want to understand what I have wrong
You dropped Imperial is what is wrong.😉
@@sadwingsraging3044 I suppose I did, I was ok at maths in school but I think everyone tuned out when they were teaching imperial units. Imperial belongs in the days of the British Empire if you ask me lol.
Metric makes so much more sense (in more ways than one). Why 99% of the worlds country's use it I guess. I just wish we would get rid of miles on our roads. It's madness when very few people under 35 know how many yards in a foot or feet in a mile. I only know an inch is around 25cm because my ruler shows inches 😅.
@@AdamMGTF Metric is so simple I consider it the measurement system of simpletons!😉
Man I am glad we're weren't conquered by the French and I am doubly glad that Frenchman got lost on the way here.
Ran a machine that worked in metric so I had to convert what I wanted it to come out as in inches and fractions of an inch into metric mumbo jumbo. Did it for _years_ and not a single bit of the metric stuck with, or on, me. I know 13mm is close enough to use for a 1/2" wrench and that is about it.
Frankly the _only_ true Civilized measurement system is in Feet and the Foot is broken down into tenths then the tenth is broken down into hundreths and thousandths of a Foot.🧐
@@sadwingsraging3044 very strange. I mean metric is all in 10s. It's hard not to understand it.
It's interesting that the US military uses metric. I wonder if the military of Myanmar does?
@@AdamMGTF NATO Metric is easier. Just not familiar to us and the difference between the two systems isn't worth it to us to convert.
Shilll
Heh okay you really got yourself in a knot over the weight of torpedoes. A kiloton is a thousand metric tons. Each metric ton being two thousand two hundred pounds and change that would put a single kiloton weight weapon at 2,204,622 pounds. Thus your two kiloton weapon weight at 4,409,245 pounds. Not so much. :) Your very first definition of a two metric ton weapon which would be 4,408 pounds or so is much closer to correct.
i really messed that up.
Glad I wasn't going daft. I'm English and imperial units are as foreign to me as Chinese glyphs. So when I heard something metric seem out by many orders of magnitude I was very confused.
No idea how the US and Myanmar manage. My grandparents were imperial through and through. But it was all nonsense to me growing up in the 80s and 90s!
@@SubBrief I was amused and it gave me a few minutes of research to learn the difference between our standard ton and a metric ton. This old dog taught himself a new one today.
@@AdamMGTF Well it is all in what you are used to. Grow up in America and the imperial system is what you will use for basically everything. Any time metric gets pulled into the conversation I am getting onto the internet and pulling up the converters to keep it all straight.
Oh no you screwed up metric. Oh no.
First -ninja_cheetos_. Need to stay up with the trends lol.