Russia's giant submarines to invade North America
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0:00 - Russia has a problem
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2:19 - Secret chapter
3:29 - Project 621 (no 1)
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12:57 - What happened next?
In this video, we dive into the fascinating world of amphibious assault submarines. While the concept of these submarines, which are the theoretical equivalent of amphibious assault ships, has been explored by both the United States and the Soviet Union, none have ever been built. However, converted or standard submarines have often been used to transport small groups of soldiers or supplies.
In the Soviet Union, submarines played a crucial role during World War II, shuttling weapons, supplies, and special forces into besieged areas or behind enemy lines, notably during the siege of Sevastopol. After the war, the Soviets proposed Project 621, a landing ship-transport submarine that would have been one of the largest submarines of its time. It was designed to carry a full infantry battalion, tanks, trucks, cannons, and even fighter aircraft. Unfortunately, Project 621 was never built.
Undeterred, the Soviets continued to explore larger and more ambitious designs, such as Project 664 and Project 748. These submarines were intended to have additional capabilities, including underway replenishment for other submarines and submarine rescue. However, the complexity of combining these various functions, along with the need for nuclear propulsion, proved challenging, and these projects were eventually abandoned.
Meanwhile, in the United States, preliminary designs for submarine transports were also explored. In the 1950s, a massive 10,000-ton submarine capable of carrying 2,240 Marines was proposed. However, the extent of the U.S. Navy's design efforts in this area never reached the scale of the Soviet projects. Instead, older submarines were often refitted for transport purposes, particularly for covert operations and special forces deployments.
Although the amphibious assault submarine remains a theoretical concept, the ideas and lessons learned from these projects have influenced subsequent developments in the field. Join us as we explore the history and potential future of these remarkable vessels and their impact on naval warfare.
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We are all fail junkies. Please do a video on the politics and logistic fails behind the Australian SSN-AUKUS submarine program.
Wouldn't it have been more practical to invade using cargo ships and converted civilian airliners? They would appear as standard vessels and can carry enormous quantities of men and supplies.
Just found this channel and thanks for all the laughs. Analyst here, and the Russian sub thumbnail baited me in. I should say, now that the rest of the world can see how pathetic Russian war machines are nothing more than a Dollar General(a cheap store for poor people in America) to equate their projects. I really wished they tried to build any of these subs. Cutting to the good part: would one of these subs actually make it to our shores? No. 😅😂 If anyone is alarmed by these projects, rest assured that Russia has destroyed itself internally. Most of their remaining stock has been depleted in Ukraine. If they can recover fiscally, it will be decades before they are a threat to others...and by others, NATO countries, not former Soviet states. It was great for you to deliver this without laughing the entire time.
A Bendigo lad.
Sounds like granddad was a bend and go to by the sounds of
Fun fact: there are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky.
that IS a fun fact
Not if you look at aircraft as submarines that can fly.
Planes are basically submarines because theyre cylinder shaped
What a surprise!
@@realherobrine5636basically both are pressurized and air locked so yeah
Project 621 was intended to carry T-34s, not T-35s. The T-35 is a failed multi-turreted heavy tank from the 1930s whereas the T-34 was a widely successful medium tank which would've been much more suited given its size and smaller crew.
Thanks for the correction
Uses T-34/85 3D models, writes T-35. 🤦♂️.
I caught that too.
@@CAP198462to be fair post war the only T-34 variant worth anything was the T-34/85
@@jameson1239 i mean that goes for basically any tank with a lot of gradually improved variants, the newest will be the best
The T-34 was the most mass produced tank of WW2. That's the only thing it had going for it. Well, that and German stupidity.
12:00 please tell me im not the only one who hears him say "717" funny
Sounds like he accidentally said "171" and then dubbed it over
@@HugoLumanthats it.
you aren't..
@@HugoLumansounded more like a stitching of the audio kinda like YTPs.
Me too 😂
Maybe a Mix Misstak? 😅
Japan: It's crazy to think we can fit a plane into a submarine😬😬😬
USSR: hold my vodka👹👹👹
I think it's the Russians who should be buying the IJN a beer! Check out the WW2 Japanese submarine class I-400, which carried 3 Aichi M6As.
Hold my palinka
The difference is that the Japanese Imperial Navy actually built and deployed submarine aircraft carriers; the Russians just dreamed…
IJN cruiser submarines like Type-B1were carrying scout planes since 1940s, they even made 3 x I-400 Class carrier submarine carrying 3 x large fighter bombers..
@@user-tn3om9wi9j And the Japanese should be Buying the British a beer...
Check out the British M-Class Submarine. M1 (1918) = 305mm Battleship gun, M2 (1925) = Aircraft Carrier.
On that note... @FoundAndExplained... there's a unique video for you. Few have talked about it in detail.
The fact that one of the designs is called "Project 626" itches that Disney movie part of my brain.
It had me in Stitches.
It's not that special to be honest, they named a good deal of their naval projects "Project #"
Jumba describes his "evil experiment" it with his Russian accent.
[Palpatine has entered the chat]
Looks like something out of the C&C Red Alert Series.
Please don't remind me of those good old days ..... EA has ruined C&C
About as practical too.
The Russian Ukrainian war is just the first level of the upcoming RA game.
Freedom Fighters.
literally opens with these subs.
That's no accident. "What if the crazy Cold War projects actually worked?" is the fundamental premise of Red Alert.
Assault submarine. That phrase is chilling.
World In Conflict (1:03) and Freedom Fighters.
two games that pull from this "what if" concept, one storming Seattle and the other NYC, with these massive transports.
the opening of Freedom Fighters with these subs emerging and the soviet chorus singing was phenomenal.
Such and amazing game! I wished Massive was around and made a sequel to WiC. The expansion Soviet Assault was great too.
@@joshuanida5457 "Slitherine Games" says hello with "Broken Arrow"
The ballast tanks would have to be huge on these for it to be able to submerge after unloading its cargo.
Basically a real life Ulysses but without the mini submarine pods
These aren't science fiction. They are just big underwater cargo ships. all the tech needed for this existed and in fact Japan had something like this only a little smaller for aircraft.
Oh if life were only so simple. You also need money, lots and lots of money which neither the Soviets, and definitely not the Russians have. The US could theoretically build an armed spaceship that can fly to Mars, however coming up with the several trillion is the tricky part.
Japans subs were a lot smaller than this monster.
Well, an underwater landing ship, while perfectly feasible, was never built for various reasons, so a scenario in which it was built would be fiction, and it would be a piece of technology, therefore falling under the category "science fiction." Perhaps you mean that the design wouldn't be especially futuristic, since it would be perfectly feasible with the technology of the day. But science fiction does not have to be futuristic.
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Thank you for the effort, I really appreciate it. 👍
Looks great!
I knew when I was 10 that I wasn't crazy for building Lego™ amphibious assault submarines! Planes included, top was the flight deck with a sealed hangar below, but with a smaller capacity than a regular aircraft carrier. It was awesome.
Why are submarines getting crazier and crazier with every episode on this channel 😅
I was not expecting the Doctor Who clip, but it is very on point for not just this project, but Cold War era thinking in general.
Imagine if one of those giant submarines, fully loaded, was hit by a torpedo.
And the torpedo *exploded*
Thats partly why you have interlocks and watertight compartments. Section off areas of the boat and allow at least a chance for an emergency blow.
@@Jeremy-su5yq I doubt this would do much good against a *torpedo* .
Even a near miss would be enough to buckle every section of the pressure hull.
@@Jeremy-su5yqThe problem is that a lot of those garages were just one big open compartment by the looks of the designs.
A sub that big, especially a Soviet/Russian sub, would be very noisy. That means it would easily be detected and modern torpedoes are sonar homing. There's no way the Soviets could have kept those things a secret and once the secret was out the US would have, (assuming it hadn't already) ringed any vulnerable base with acoustic sensors to detect them approaching. After detection, helicopters could pinpoint the sub and drop homing torpedoes on it. So this is one of those ideas that sounds cool for a movie or video game, but would fail hard in real life.
@@Jeremy-su5yq this is a very interesting idea until you lack the structural integrity to have both halves of the ship stay together
I think the missions of these subs can be found in the book, Red Storm Rising where instead of subs, civilian ships masquerading as US ones but filled with paratroopers in the inside.
were they gonna parachute from the ships?
The invasion of Texas will be hilarious.
@@datadavisno the Soviet Airborne troops were used because they were an elite unit. They came ashore on hover craft and easily overran the (Company or maybe it was a battalion) US Marines on Iceland. The base had also been hit very hard by cruise missiles.
I do wonder what the status of Soviet Naval Infantry was in the 1980’s and why they were not used in the novel.
Few and under equipped. The Russian (and by extension Soviet) Navy and everything related to it has always been poorly trained and funded (with the exception of it's Soviet era submarine fleet).
USA had a submarine "Project Conform" at about the same time. It has gone more into stealth direction. Some of the futuristic projects by France are going in this direction too.
Would be nice to see something about this kind of submarines here.
The Big Brother of Submarine Alicorn hahahaha
The Project 717 walk-through was sublime! Really dig the music on that. The 3D model panning was excellent work, too.
So cool. Your videos and content is amazing! Please keep the high quality videos coming.
I've seen T-72s on startup. You want to put them in an airtight container? RIP, sailors.
Pretty sure they can start them when the doors are open and after the troops are ashore. Not like they are going to be landing under fire... it's meant for a stealth landing
have you seen them turret toss though?
@@I_H8_thots This design is not possible, as someone who works on subs i can tell you this design is a flop. It says 700 crew, with all that load there inst enough room to fit that many people, you'd need a submarine that like at least a quarter to half a mile feet long. Plus you wouldn't start the tanks in compartment because the fumes would literally just kill the sailors, you couldn't expel that much contaminated air while under the surface. Besides this cant be a stealth mission, the size of this sub and the propulsion would be so fucking loud.
@@Jeremy-su5yq fair enough. But no need to carry vehicles... the Belgorod is already 600 feet long and the US loses track of it all the time. They could fit a whole lot of soldiers in that.
@@I_H8_thots The Belgorod is built for ~100 submariners. And that’s to keep the submarine operational.
It can’t carry more than a couple fully geared soldiers. It’s just not designed to.
I guess this is where Kojima got his inspiration for Arsenal Gear
Wow, that's crazy man.
Project 626 realistically would have no way to unload T-34s off that loading ramp as they completely lack neutral steering and cannot turn in place
this is both untrue and also irrelevant
you don't need to neutral steer to turn, and they just have to drive in a straight line in and out
Stop using common sense lol. Biased, pro Russian military people will get upset with you lol 😂
@foundAndExplained I love your videos and hope you don't quit keep up the good work
They can barely invade their neighbors.
Very entertaining and informative. Had no idea about these vessels until now.
This is such a good video!
Thanks for watching!
It is not a horrible idea but landings are limited to place where they could off load. Today this could be done with Troops, light vehicles and drones. It would allow a amphibious operation while other areas were invaded at the same time. Granted any target would need to be highly distracted and blinded to miss such an invasion.
they'd be wiped out en-mass. 480 troops even multiplied by 50 subs could not form a survivable beachhead. US mil aircraft would obliterate them and they would have no defense against that. Air DOMINANCE REQUIRED to make such amphibious landing
@@user-po3ev7is5w it depends on a lot of factors but probably not as far as I know no country has D-Day style Coastal defenses or even military bases that are significantly fortified so this would be a sneak attack weapon that could easily push into a number of areas such as ports airfields industrial zones etcetera and as we see the Russians are not opposed to losing massive amounts of numbers of people
@@ChristopherSloanetoday those types of defenses aren't needed in the USA. There is no nation nor even ANY combination of countries that can put enough air power, sea power and supply lines in place to successfully land anywhere on the US mainland. Not even Hawaii or Alaska
@@user-po3ev7is5w yeah guy since I served in the military for 8 years and I might not know everything I'm just going to disappoint you right now and tell you that America is not a fortress and given the right conditions anybody could put troops anywhere on anybody's land in a matter of 12 hours it just depends on how much you're willing to risk to do it
@@ChristopherSloaneLMAO! No, you don't much of ANYTHING about amphibious assaults against such an opponent. Also auto fail for argumentum ab auctoritate
It's hilarious that the sponsor segment is named "secret chapter"
The vultures have been fed and the world has seen our might. Now, clear the skies.
Cool video. Ty for naking :)
“717!” 😂 12:02
It said 171 and had to cut it out hahah
Man, does that sub sound like a unit from C&C for surprise attacks. That would be nice ...
I can't wait to see the Bear Transports for the war-bears !
Imagine chilling on the beach and then you see that
I can’t imagine the logistical nightmare of feeding hundreds of troops in a tiny metal tube
That animations are soo great!!!
It sounds a bit funny when you realize Russia can’t even win in its own backyard, let alone reach continents away
The Russians aren't the Soviet Union, you numpty, but both they and the Ukraine were once apart of it.
USSR is not = russia
Define "Can't Win" when pretty much everyone except Ukraine and certain "Experts" has basically said its hopless at this point.
@@kalebthehistorian5928 Who, Scott Ritter the twice convicted child diddler? Or Elon Muskovite going through his middle-life crysis? The cesspool is large and a couple of Lord Haw Haws fiercely supporting Russia’s invasion won’t change anything
@@kalebthehistorian5928A war intended to last a couple of weeks has stretched on for years. Perhaps you and other analysts believe it’s hopeless, but it’s gone far worse for Russia than they originally expected, and still haven’t won.
🎶They came through the water in their submarine🎶
🎶Soviet troops packed like sardines🎶
Yes, completely undetectable. Laughes in hydrophone, chuckles in active ping sonar, giggles in sub hunter, hahas in intelligence gathering.
At about 20 seconds you say “but what if there was another way” and I immediately thought squarespace.
I love RUclipsrs like you and mustard
Popular Mechanics did a few articles on conceptual transport submarines, including one back in the 00s on a similar infantry carrier submarine. I think they called it the Commando Attack Sub, and it was designed to carry Marines in its big, bloated body and deploy fast attack boats to get them to shore.
Even today, no matter how many troops you land, if you don't supply a permanent stream of supplies
I love these to show up as an enemy in an Ace Combat game, I can imagine some pretty good setpiece battles around the concept.
I'm curious what the plan was once they landed on the mainland US. Our civilians alone are better equipped than most militaries.
How have I never heard of this
Even as an ex soldier I find it strange warring another country. I don't want to invade, harm or take away another family's lifestyle. Also who am I to judge another person's culture. . In fact I should check it out and see their point of view and learn something
This seems like a high tech movie intro...awesome
Glad you like it!
Congratulations you have landed your army of 10,000 troops in a city of 2,000,000 armed citizens, with another 10,000,000 eager to fight citizens withing 1 hour drive.
Itching bro
1) What city has 2 million armed citizens, there's only four cities that are that big, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Huston, and Chicago's practically inland as the Saint Lawrence river is barely big enough to fit a barge let alone a submarine of this size, and all of those cities are pretty well known for being pretty tight with guns so not a lot of people are gonna be armed.
2) Civilian mobs of eager vigilanties just rushing to the nearest Soviet landing to go "fight the commies" would be a turkey shoot for even the most incompetent landing force, these would be untrained, disorganized mobs of people armed with civilian weaponry against, in this case, a modern, well trained, and mechanized fighting force. Fish in a barrel would have a better chance.
3) There's no scenario where the Soviets ever land this thing anywhere near a town more than a few thousand people excluding bases, this would absolutely be for landing in remote beaches to set up a foothold or launch raids into enemy territory without the intention to take ground, which is pretty much what every modern naval invasion plans for as D-Day styled invasions are extremely rare and almost everything is done to avoid them.
1950s with zero gun laws
Amazing vid soo educational for newbies whose making their own sub definitely a W vid❤❤❤❤
Those Soviet invasion subs are a James Bond movie's dream come true!
Submarines are so fascinating. You think the german type 21 would make an appearance in this channel?
Haha that doctor who scene turns out perfect for this
Look like really expensive coffins.
Especially given the absolutely appalling safety record of Soviet/Russian submarines, even when they don't have whole battalions of troops and all their ammo onboard
The 717 just reminds me of 'the pentagon wars'. On paper, it can do everything! In practice, I imagine it would be a nightmare to live and work aboard
One of the opening scenes looks like it could have come from the videogame World in Conflict.
This is the coolest.
the water sim was actually quite bonkers, awesome rendering sims
Hell March 2 by Frank Klepacki is playing in my head at the thought of this...
0:40 Alaska: 👀 and something is wrong with your map bro 1:25
Not going to lie. Of all the projects that I've seen on this channel, I'd say this is one of the few that could actually work with a bit of modern-day reworking!
I love the Boarding Torpedo from Warhammer 40 000. For those that dont know its a armored troop transporter that has Space Marines in it. This is fired at a enemey ship and the troops disembark and are used to fight in the space ship and try to take out the captian and the bridge controling the ship.
Next up drop pod tech lol
Wait … the torpedos fired backward?
This is what I call a great video 🤌
Cool invention, good pacing, great structure, awesome graphics (no "whatever happend"), the whole package 👌
As for the ultimate "Sub-Carrier" video, I definitely recommend 👉
It's 30min of epic 3D, sci-fi level super submarines, that somebody actually tried to build👌👌👌
Thanks for the Doctor Who reference! Love your channel.
Our pleasure!
The US version of this and its test beds would make a great video. You could also do something on the US's submarine tanker design.
Whatsup with the dubbing on 12.05?? Lmao
excellent @ the least ! 😊
How about this! In the Robotech universe, there was a colossal ship called the SLV-111 Daedalus, a Beachmaster-class submersible assault landing vessel (roughly as huge as the Mega-Ark from 2012!), capable of carrying up to 150 Destroid units to the battlefield, the Daedalus later became the right arm unit for the SDF-1's modular transformation.
Ha ha ha! Thanks for the laugh!
USA has underwater detection systems around it. So submarines approaching it would most likely be detected. Noise the submarine makes underwater would be enough alone to get detected.
I’m honestly surprised they have never made giant land based or submarine destroyer/aircraft carriers. Massive and slow, but built to just be almost invincible.
Great video and channel. I wonder. What program do you use to make the boatwakes so realistic?
Blender
@@FoundAndExplained is is the flipfluids plugin or is there a less resource hungry trick or plugin?
Actually I believe it’s Houdini
@@FoundAndExplained ok that explains it. Thank you.
How would it create mines? Was it supposed to have an onboard munitions factory? Maybe it would have been more efficient to just carry a store of mines?
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3:36 Russia wanted armored cores, but somebody mistook it for a design part
This is a great film. But I do wonder about the practicalities. Not just in finding appropriate landing approaches but the fact your still going to need a serious follow-up force close behind, bringing up logistics, exploitation forces etc. But a very interesting idea!
Hey the next Submarine video you could make is about the IJN I-400 from WW2. It be cool to see you do a video on it.
America: yea we heard you leave port, your 3rd cylinder was knocking the whole time
Awesome video mate! But a small typo at 6:44. I have no idea how a 348 tonne submarine would be able to carry IS-3 heavy tanks!
It can't with that time current technology. It can submerge but cannot float.
"621...why are you underwater theres not any coral there get back to work"
You forget to inlude Gergia into USSR at 1:39
I'd imagine that such a super-sub would be extremely noisy, and easily picked up on sonar. Plus, a sub that big, probably couldn't dive that deep compared to other subs. The long the sub is, the harder it is to make a hull that can resist pressure laterally.
Man this reminds me of the super submarines from the ace combat series hrimfax scinfaxi and alicorn.
This is basically Arsenal Gear from Metal Gear Solid, just without nukes
Welcome to the party pal!
1:25 Why is georgia not a part of Soviet Union on the map?
Love the Doctor Who clip!
Project 621 nice
Something happened at 12:01. Like the audio,
That you continue to use the T34 model for the submarine in the 50s really bites me. But good on you then using the amphibious tanks in the last sub
Please make a video on the Soviet Diving Missile Boat
Project 626 wow its literally named after stitch from LILO and stitch
and here i thought we were going to get invaded by space aliens good one dude lol
impressive VFXs