Folding or Dangling the Hands in Prayer - An Advice to Hamza Yusuf and Suhaib Webb
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August 13, 2016
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Even after five years, this video remains to be beneficial, JazzaakAllahu khairan yaa Shaikh
This is the consistency of Ilm
Jazaka Allah imam, i used to be confused about this matter but my heart always liked folding hands, thank you for clarifying.
Don’t fold your hands or none of your prayers will be accepted, this idiot can’t even recite the Quran properly and now he wants to tell you how to pray? 🤦♂️
I love this man for the sake of Allah. May Allah keep us all steadfast on the deen and allow us to unite in the highest level of paradise without judgement ameen ameen ameen
Jazak Allah Khair, the quality of information given and manner of correction is a testament to your Aklaq / manners.
Very academic discussion. May Allah bless Sheikh Uthman for clarifying the issue
7 years later and still very beneficial! Jazkalllah
Shaykh Uthman is a blessing to this generation inundated by celebrity youtube so-called scholars. We need this kind of scholarship from Shaykh Uthman.
Two of the best sheikhs in English, sheikh hamza and sheikh uthman
Allah bless you sheikh
It's like destroying the dark with light
No, it wasn't, but the uneducated it would appear that way.
@@andrewrauhaus2277reasoning? All evidences the sheikh brought forth did he not?
@@HalilKangal The shaykh is right that qabd (folding hands) is sunnah in maliki school however he omitted the fact that Practices of Medinans is a proof for us, therefore you cannot say sadl (dangling) is not sunnah. If it is not then that means the usool of Maliki school are wrong. In addition to that, the Mudawannah that was compiled by imam Malik's students is a book regrouping all of his fatawa and rulings.
The Mudawannah was finished after the Muwatta (hadith compilation of Malik) therefore some Maliki scholars (probably the majority) believe that his statements in Mudawannah as narrated by his best student, Ibn al Qasim, are the relied upon rulings. If these statements contradict what he reports in Muwatta then we take the statement. Thus dangling is the relied upon ruling and not folding hands. However I don't follow this opinion, there is another opinion that the Muwatta is the most complete and coherent source for Maliki fiqh as such I pray by folding my hands.
So Shaykh Uthman is right by saying it's a sunnah and there is proof but he cannot dismiss 1300 years of ijtihad.
@@djibrilr6s can you inform me on any Hadith where the prophet was seen dangling hands during salah?
Superb work shayk uthman love your dawah and scholarship. You are a true Bastian of the sunnah iv learnt so much from u. Shukran may Allah taala lengthen your life and give u immense stamina to fight falsehood and the decievers hiding in plain sight trying to lead the ummah astray
I like Sheikh Uthman, he always quotes from the sahih Hadith and challenges the sheikh who misquoted the hadith. I'm always confused as many known Sheikh keep saying same things and we believe them until Sheikh uthman correct them with a proof. Alhamdulilah and shukran sheigh
May Allāh bless you
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May Allah bless us all. Ameen!
@Malik Sohaib Fear Allāh you have lied upon Rasūlullāh صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم go pick up al-Muwatta Imām Mālik and show me where in the Hadīth or even in the commentary from Imām Mālik does it say that???
@Malik Sohaib you wrote “the reference from muwatta continues with a response from sahl ibn saad that this hadīth is not from prophet but was an order given by someone in power” that is a lie .. no where in the muwatta does it state that in fact to the opposite in the muwatta it states:
Book 9, Number 9.15.50:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu Hazim ibn Dinar that Sahl ibn Sad said, “People used to be ordered to place their right hands on their left forearms in the prayer.”
Abu Hazim added, “I know for sure that Sahl traces that back to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.”
@Malik Sohaib my dear brother those later scholars and their commentary is valuable and welcome but the fact remains that Hamza Yusuf lied when he said “none of the four schools considered it Sunnah to fold them hands” please admit the truth. And you also told a lie (maybe unknowingly) regarding a response from sahl ibn saad in the muwatta. Please please at least admit it and be honest. As Muslims at least we should be honest. You can take any opinion you like and we respect all the scholars of Islām but let’s be honest with our references
I love you Sheikh. There is a quote in my country « Weddi guiss bokku ci » which approximately means « You can deny as long as things aren’t yet exposed to you ». Ma sha ALLAH. May Allah bless you for telling the truth.
May Allāh bless you
Beautifully explained with evidence. Alhamdulillah.
May Allah bless you Sheikh Uthman
barakAllahu fikum akhi, somebody has to tell truth, may Allah multiple your knowledge, assalam ualeikum ua rahmatuLlah
Watching and Benefiting from This Video after 7 YEARS, SUBHANALLAH
As salaam alaikum I hope you put this on every platform you have available. I tried to advise people in the past concerning this and you find it in the English versions of some of these references you gave but traditional actions are more important than sunnah to many people.
بارك الله فيك 👍
@@MasjidRibat as salaam i found your site almost a year ago and at first I thought it was just about you making dawah to the kufar which is a dieing sunnah. My friend turned me on to some of your knowledge based videos and I was pleasantly surprised. Do you teach Arabic at your masjid? Also what do you know about mu'tah the divorce gift.
walaykum asalam
Allāhu Akbar! Barakallaah Feek ya Sheikh
Asslamualikum brother, when I first seen this video as if it’s like my parents have a issue between them, I love Hamza yusuf and you ,like I love my family, both of you are my hero, I hope Allah subhanawatala keep our bonding strong as our beloved prophet (SW) said, we Muslim are one body, when part of our body hart our full body fell the pain,may Allah subhawatala safeguard us from any evil.
We have to be careful of who we love brother he is a salafi
@@chatbout1574 hamza yusuf is a deviant sufi and a liar
You love Hamza yusuf? Ya Akhi I used to like him before, he only believes in a few of Allah's names and attributes, he doesn't believe what says in the Quran of being above the heavens over his throne, he is deviant ashari/maturidi
@@iimiboy u are the deviant fool, who do u follow he is Maliki and an ashari and that makes him al sunnah wal jahma what can u argue with Imam Malik bro go shut ur mouth
@@iimiboy and that part about he is a liar ur going to have to answer to that in the future and I can bet ur just following some deviant by calling him a liar
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typical pakistani comment bro
Checkmate, game over, case closed... "your honor the people rest". Barakallahu feekum.
Love you shaykh for the sake of Allah
EnigmaticZee may Allāh love you as you love me for his sake
@@MasjidRibat please look into Mudawwana Al-Kubra ....by the students of Imam Malik...they are from the Tabi'een and their opinion regarding Sadl is found there.
its about touching the heart to speak the language of Unity. alhamdullillah.
lailaha ilah allah.
I heard from a scholar there is one hadith about action of a sahabi ibn zubair(r.a) in musnnaf abi shaiba 3950, about dangling hands in salah
SubhanAllah. JazakAllahu khayr, ya Sheikh.
Ya sheikh your too polite, you know the reality of these people, may Allah bless you and your family.
Love listening to you on dawawise and efdawah hamzas den arena
Ya Shaikh what about Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah where it is mentioned under the heading 'Sahaba who did not fold the hand' that Abdullah ibn Zubair(R) used to do irsalul yadain (did not fold his hand in Salah).
It is mentioned in Sunan Al Kubra Al Bayhaqi that Abdullah ibn Zubair (R) learnt Salah from Abu Bakr (R).
The Shaikhs point was established within the first few minutes, once he showed the hanafi position.
Why
excellent video and excellent approach to fiqh with hadeeth! refreshing to see
This is what I call bringing the receipts
His point was 3 different schools, all came to the same conclusion on a matter... Some mailkis including imam malik, some tabi'ee said ibn al musayib, all shia, all ibadiyah (khawarij).... There is no way 3 groups would conspire upon an action... And it is far likelier that umayyad tried to kill the practice within sunni circles.
That's why all the early schools differ on where to place the hands.
The earliest schools of sects, khawarij and shiaa, kept their practice as did malikis. These malikis followed the practice of hundreds if not thousands of people.
Following practice of people is far more reliable than one obscure hadith in sahih ibn khuzaymah
Exactly
you can check mufti abu layth's video on this.
@@mohd_amaan_ansari youre calling that heretic a mufti? dont be so easily deceived
Bro no one said the prophet for it even imam maliki did you not watch the Video and he could've quarter wait more authentic hadiths that state the prophet put the right on left. Do you know what an authentic hadith means?
@@aosel-gharably2236 Just quote any Authentic Hadith of folding hands and I'll start praying folding my hands!
I love the shiekh for the sake of Allah! This is true advice with dalil.
May Allah swt love you. JazzakAllahu khaira brother. Stay tuned weekly for our duroos. Share the channel with others as well inshaaAllah.
There is also an abundant adilah supporting sadl
This guy can nearly read Arabic... this is a great joke..... he is trying to show off non exsistanr knowledge
Illgod19 what are you talking about? You are a joke what kind of nickname is that? Are you a Muslim?
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@@illgod1969 what a bunch of nonsense. Anhone who understands arabic knows that he is narrating it correctly and the way he reads it has no affect on his understanding, which was correct
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'Aml ahl-Madinah is an usuli principle in the Maliki school. That is the primary basis of sadl/irsal, not hadiths. So your request for Hamza Yusuf to bring one sahih hadith showing sadl wouldn't be a proof against him or Malikis even if he couldn't provide such a hadith (we'll assume he can't for the sake of argument), because for Malikis, the strongest basis for sadl is 'Aml ahl-Madinah, not hadith. 'Aml ahl-Madinah isn't authoritative for the Hanbalis, Shafiis, or Hanafis, but for Malikis, obviously it is. Different usuli principles are what make the madhabs different. All of the madhabs have unique usuli principles that aren't shared by the other schools. So this comes down to a fundamental usuli difference more so than a discussion about presenting a sahih hadith.
And to find the Maliki opinion on a topic, the most authoritative book to look in is Mukhtasar Khalil, not the Muwatta, which is more of a hadith book. This is well known to anyone familiar with the Maliki school. And in Mukhtasar Khalil and its various shuruh, it is clear that the relied upon opinion in the Maliki school is sadl, which is mentioned in the section of mandubat of the prayer. Some Maliki scholars preferred folding the hands, sure, I'm not negating that. But the final word on this issue is in Mukhtasar Khalil, and it says sadl is mandub in the fard prayer, and folding the hands is disliked in the fard prayer.
Malikis only quote hadiths (which admittedly, don't explicitly support sadl, but it can arguably be inferred from some of them) as secondary proofs to prove sadl. So this issue is rooted in differences in usul. Your critique is deficient and unfair without addressing ‘aml ahl-Madinah.
As for Hamza Yusuf’s claim that folding the hands isn't a sunnah in any of the four madhabs, I agree, that was an incorrect claim.
Abdul Aziz well at least you were honest enough to admit that his statement was false (hopefully due to error) and we can agree there. The point of the video was not to elaborate on Malikī Fiqh, I will leave that to those who specialize in the subject جزاك الله خيرا
MasjidRibat And and least you were honest enough to admit that you are not a specialist in Maliki fiqh. جزاكم الله خيرا
Abdul Aziz بارك الله فيك
@@araziz
Firstly akhī, I wanted to commend your good akhlāq and I appreciate your honesty. I wanted to respectfully contest some of things you mentioned in regards to the madhhab. Undoubtedly, the madhhab is unique in its uṣūl (principles) by emphasizing on the actions of the people of al-Madīnah. However, the other three madhāhib do acknowledge the actions of the people of al-Madīnah as authoritative. There is consensus on this as mentioned by Shaykh al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah in his Majmū‘ al-Fatāwa (20/306). The difference between the Mālikī madhhab and the other three is that our madhhab *emphasises* on the ‘Amal Ahl il-Madīnah, whilst the others do not.
In regards to what is the most authoritative book within the madhhab has always been five books: al-Muwaṭṭa by Mālik ibn Anas, al-Mudawwanah by Saḥnūn ibn Sa‘eed at-Tanūkhī (d. 240 AH), al-Wādhiḥah by ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Ḥabīb as-Sulamī (d. 238 AH), al-‘Utbiyyah by Muḥammad ibn Aḥmad al-‘Utbī (d. 255 AH), and al-Muwāziyyah by Ibn al-Mawāz al-Iskandarānī (d. 269 AH).
بارك الله فيك اخي العزيز
@@ibnnuhal-maliki6030 Assalamu alaikum. I studied the Hanafi madhab primarily, and the others a little. In my studies of the Hanafi school, which has spanned many years, I can confidently say that I’ve never seen the practice of the people of Madinah used as an evidence for a Hanafi position. The ‘amal of the people of Kufa would be more authoritative for Hanafis, to the extent that a certain ‘Amal had authority, but ultimately the positions have Quran and hadith evidence to support them, within the Hanafi Usul framework. I won’t go so far as to say the ‘amal of Madinah has no relevance, I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of the Hanafi school and i don’t claim to be an expert, but the ‘amal of Madinah is certainly not a very significant usuli principle for Hanafis.
I think my statement regarding its relative status as not being authoritative in the other schools was accurate. It may have some relevance, but it isn’t authoritative. Authoritative, in my understanding, means it has an important status as major principle of Usul in the other schools. Perhaps this is just a semantic issue of what authoritative means. However, if you can quote major scholars of the Hanafi and Shafi’i schools contradicting me, I’m open to hearing it.
It’s always better to prove something you want to claim about a school from scholars that follow that school, from specific texts in the school. Often when scholars outside of a school mention rulings of schools they don’t follow, they make errors. Allah knows best.
I’ve studied some Maliki fiqh, but I’m far from proficient. From Maliki muftis and students of knowledge I know, they say Mukhtasar Khalil is where you go for the relied upon Maliki opinion generally, along with its relied upon commentaries such as al-Sharh al-Kabir and others, and also al-Sharh al-Sagheer ‘ala Aqrab al-masalik. This is the standard among the many Malikis I know, particularly those from and who studied in Mauritania, but not exclusively those from Mauritania. I find it odd that you don’t include Mukhtasar Khalil in your list. I’m confident in my information, but we can agree to disagree on what texts are most authoritative for finding the fatwa position.
opened my mind this talk
As soon as anyone learns from Al Saud, they follow what they do. Follow the deen and not a way promoted by a government.
Hamza yousef is a innovator and cannot be trusted beware of such people
جزاك الله خيرا
بارك الله فيك
بارک اللہ فیک یا شیخ
جزاكم الله خيراءً يا شيخنا
As a revert im ashamed of HY's trajectory. May Allah guide him.
The maliki approach is for example. It's sunnah to pray with your shoes on but that doesnt mean it's the normal way to pray. There are sunna of doing things differently but it may not be common. When imam malik said it's sunnah means if you wanted to, it's allowed to.
The hadith supporting the folding of the hand was a sahaba that was praying sadl and was told to go back and remake your salat and do qabd. Doesn't that then make not holding your hand break your salat or was the Sahabas 3awra showing because of sadl and it was made permissible to perform gabd while holding up the garment?
Yahaafaazak'Allah ya sheikh.
This is clear undeniable proof. I am surprised by the number of thumb-downers this video is rated. I'm eager to know what was the outcome. A good preacher should acknowledge his mistakes and shortcomings. I hope HY got back to you. Jazakallah and May Allah keep us all on the Truth.
Of course he didn't
Alhamdu lillaahi Rabbil alamin. AsSalaamuAlaikum Shaykh Uthman, thank you for your explanation and proofs. When Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said that no has said where the hands should be place. With no disrespect I extend my salaam and love to brother Shaykh Yusuf, but I believe he has made a mistake in his statement. In Hadith Susan An-Nasa’i, chapter 9, page 24. 888. It was narrated that Musa bin Umair Al-Anbari and Qais bin Sulaymaniyah Al-Anbari said: Alqamah bin Wail told us that his father said: I saw the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) when he was standing in prayer, holding his left hand with his right. (sahih). Chapter 10. 889. It says: It was narrated that Al-Hajjaj bin Abi Zainab said: I heard Abu Uthman narrate that Ibn Masud said: The Prophet (PBUH) saw me when I placed my left hand on my right in prayer. He took hold of my right hand and place it on my left. (Hasan). Chapter 11. 890. Says: Wail bin Hujr said: I said I am going to watch how the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) prays. So I watched him and he stood and said the Takbir, and raised his hands until they were in level with his ears, then he placed his right hand over his left hand, wrist and lower forearm. When he wanted to bow he raised his hands likewise, and placed his hands on his knees. When he raised his head, he raised his hands likewise. Then he prostrated and placed his hands in level with his ears. Then he sat up and placed his left leg under him, he put his left hand on his left thigh and knee, and he put the edge of his right elbow on his his right thigh, then he held two of his fingers together and made a circle, and raised hid forefinger, and I saw him moving it and supplication with it. (Sahih).
To say there’s no Hadith, if that’s what he said that is a mistake. We all make mistakes. The Shaykh can correct his statement. Also there is another Hadith concerning putting hand on one’s waist. Chapter 12. 891. It says: It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (PBUH) forbade praying with one’s hands on one’s waist. (Sahih). This demonstrates that in the posture of upright standing the Qiyam in prayer, the right hand should be placed upon the left in a way grasping it. This is the course of action of the vast majority of scholars. During the performance of every major component Rukn of the obligatory prayer, one or the other position of hands has been prescribed. Placing the hands on the waist or the flank or slender part above the hips is forbidden because it would contradict the legislates position of where the hand is to be placed. It has been started that Satan stands thusly.
Allah knows best.
Priase be to ALLAH, the shaykh didn't said all them refused to clasp, his argument was non of them said sadl is not allowed. Even imam Malik allows qabd in non obligatory prayers.
But sadl is most firm in opinion in Salah.
من تكلم في غير فنه أتى بالعجائب
Ibn Hajar said: Whoever speaks on a matter that is not in his field of knowledge then he will come up with things that are strange and bizarre
Fathul Bari (3/584)
If he allows calling upon rasululah salalahu alahi wa salam in dua then why would we be surprised he would say something like this?
@@MohammadZeyaAhmad-eo1pe sufi isnt a bad term. Al dhahabi and ibn Taymiyyah followed a tariqa.
@@whn2058
That's incorrect; they didn't follow any ṭarīqah.
@@whn2058 Incorrect!
Alhumdulillah , you do provide good references , however the hadith on going back to its original position is a strong hadith for sadl. Qabd is never a natural position while standing before takbeer e tahrima.
I like shaikh uthman
I can see that street hood bravado in this one... proficiency in the dunya carries over into the deen.. جزاك الله جيرا Brother Uthman
24:03 imam Malik (rahmahulla) put hadith in his muwatta, even if he didn't practice them outright.
Imam Malik knew of the hadith of "putting the fight hand over the left" but he still saw the people of madina performing sadl which is why he performed sadl.
Secondly, imam malik would avoid doing certain things so that the people who followed him wouldn't view those things as fard. For example, it's not fard to clasp one's hands in salah.
Another example, in the maliki madhab we end salah with 1 salam instead of 2. Once again this is because the 1st salam is fard and the 2nd is a sunnah. This is a case in ALL the other madhahib as well.
And Allah (swt) knows best.
Do you not value the sunnah?
@@TheCriterion114 I value the Sahaba and tabiin's understanding of the sunnah more than most scholars interpretations ☺
So is it a sunnah to do 1 salaam or 2? Or is it sunnah to place the right hand over the left or leave them dangling? There are clear ahadith about these issues in sahih hadeeth.
Secondly, why would imam malik avoid doing certain things so the people who followed them didnt consider those things fard. Did he want his followers to just do the fard and not the sunnah?
@@TheCriterion114 he wanted to make sure people understood what was waajib and what wasn't.
In all 4 madhabs you have this issue, where people think clasping the hands is fard. Whereas contrary to everyone's belief. The clasping of hands is, at most, a sunnah of prayer. And alhamdulillah, I've prayed behind malikis in Egypt and Morocco and 99% of them do both salams.
Does this brother understand the Usul of the Maliki school?
@@dinopalavra876.. Abu Malik said it is sunna to fold the hands but not obligatory. It's up to u to pray sadl if u want.
He is wrong! This is the reason you can't just pick up books of knowledge without being trained in them first! He hid the fact that Imam Maalik himself explained why he narrated the Hadith and still didn't fold the hands!
This is Dalas.
Amazing description masha Allah
سلام عليكم, والله ما ادري عن كلامك يا شيخ. عندك دليل قاطع من البخاري؟ ما شفت ذلك في هذا الفيدو مع الاسف.
We perhaps should not be hypercritical of the shaikh from California and saying he must repent is perhaps somewhat unwise for you to say.
He might have made a mistake. Amal of madina does not rely on a hadith since what is written does not precede what was practiced by the people of the Prophet's city. Iraq, where hadiths were forged, invented, was the land of much lies, according to Ibn Taymiyyah: "This is why none of the Muslim scholars believed that the consensus of any of the cities except Madina was a proof which must be followed''.
ibn Thabit, the famous Companion, stated, "When you see the people of Madina doing something, know that it is the
sunna''.
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
:دليل قاطع من البخاري
باب وضع اليمنى على اليسرى في الصلاة
707 حدثنا عبد الله بن مسلمة عن مالك عن أبي حازم عن سهل بن سعد قال كان الناس يؤمرون أن يضع الرجل اليد اليمنى على ذراعه اليسرى في الصلاة قال أبو حازم لا أعلمه إلا ينمي ذلك إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال إسماعيل ينمى ذلك ولم يقل ينمي
Please watch the whole video, because these issues were addressed in the video. Please provide reference for the quotes you have sated. Please provide a reference for the statement that the people of al-Madinah came to a consensus regarding not folding the hands. It is academically dishonest to make statements without proof.
May Allah bless you and everyone reading this and guide us all to the truth.
@MasjidRibat
السلام عليكم يا شيخ.لأن تسأل عن الطریق خیر من أن تضل. كلنا نعرف كيف ابن تيمية رحم الله يتفهم المذهب المالكي .يمكنك تجدي المسائل آنفة الذكر هنا: ia902707.us.archive.org/11/items/Tafdil1/Tafdil1.pdf
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
Our Shaykh has read the works on Ibn Taymiyyah and understands the issue of Amal of the People of al-Madinah. Please provide a reference for the statement that the people of al-Madinah came to a consensus regarding not folding the hands. The Shaykh is teaching tonight in Masjid ar-Ribat in San Diego. If you are able to attend the dars and ask him any questions you like in person. If you are unable to attend then the dars will be live on youtube and facebook, you can ask your questions remotely. If that doesn't work for you, please provide us with a phone number or email for the Shaykh to contact you.
JazzakAllah Khair
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@Jack Brown, please watch the entire video, just posting link to articles doesn't help anything. If you watch the entire video then you will see all of these issues have been addressed by our Shaykh in the video, including the statement of Ibn al-Qaasim from Imaam Maalik.
Please provide a reference for the statement that the people of al-Madinah came to a consensus regarding not folding the hands.
Jazak'Allah for the clarification!
وإياكم
جزاك الله خيرا يا شيخ.
wait on second thought (watching the vid again, had to replay to really soak it in), and I still like this video. And love your work in general - but you didnt present exactly “proof” with primary evidence in regard to the actual Four great imams and THEIR own exact thoughts / rather you used later great scholars and their thoughts on what was what …(because thats what Hamza was claiming no? or am i missing something?)
like for instance, ill start with the who “ordered” him thing, while it it at all makes logical sense that it might have been the Prophet (saw) as the one scholar described when Aisha said she was ordered, logically one should at least think it was via the order of Muhammad (saw) but isnt this still guess work in all reality? Also, how do u know that those making the commentaries (though their all great scholars) know for “sure” that the 4 imams thought was these actions were “sunnah” specifically ? - they themselves provide no primary evidence from the imams….
its essentially “he meant this” or “he meant that” - I know these are fantastic scholars (may Allah set have mercy on all of them)… but i’m getting confused here, where is their own evidence, rather its their “interpretations” - because listen, even I believe qadl has at least strong hadiths (whether the placement is ambiguous or not) while sadl ONLY as the ‘amal of the medinites via Malik (which is still strong though tbh) but nevertheless, many of these presented evidences seem to also be “guess work” by the commentators/later scholars themselves, and thats whether they use strong analogical reasoning or not -- and i have yet to see the evidence that the 4 imams (as in by their OWN words/writing) think this is for sure sunnah …. which is what I THINK hamza meant by that - because it would be nutty to think that the entire ulama of each madhhab all said it was not “sunnah”
AND AGAIN, i think Qadl is strong but this was not “proof” of the 4 imams saying it was sunnah - rather they take great opinions of qadl due to the various ahādiths - but most of your evidence was secondary sources from great scholars who use their own interpretations
like i def think there are some strong hadiths pertaining to above the naval - though MOST (not all) of folding on the chest seem to always be weak somewhere in the narrations - so again, i agree with you via the Big Picture of it all, if you wjll- but does this actually negate hamzas LITERAL statement that non of the 4 imams themselves sald it was sunnah?
and im actually wondering? not even saying your wrong or hamza is right - but because now watching this a second time around, I always thought Hanafi and Hanbal directly said its a direct sunnah rather than its just their interpretation of what is Sunnah - but now after watching again, where do u show that the 4 great imams themselves said any of this?
And again, yes I know… Hanafi’s “opinion” via hadith literature was that the hand placement was below, Hanbal’s “opinion” was either below or above the naval - but thats about it, where is the hard evidence that they claimed these positions *themselves* to be the Sunnah - because Malik (whether he reported a hadith contrary to his belief or not) certainly did not think it was sunnah - and Shafi’i, even in his famous work (Kitab al-Umm) said while his opinion was above the naval (as he believed it to be the strongest), he allowed all his students to do either qadl below and above and sadl as well, since he directly says there is not strong enough evidence (as of yet) to say for sure…..
First, I agree with Hanafi and Hanbal - but with Malik and Shafi’i theres an issue
first, where did Malik SAY (as in himself) that its “Sunnah” - I read the entire Muwatta as well, and yes, he reports honest reports that he got - but Hadith is NOT technically synonymous with Sunnah, and as an academic you would know that - he was just honest, and narrated a report because he was a man of integrity (along with all the Imams) but he PERSONALLY never said it, as in Malik did not believe it to be Sunnah - he believed the actions of the tabi’een of those in Medina to be sunnah over single reports/narrations (strongly transmitted or not) - Whether Malik is right or wrong, he believed the ‘Amal of the Medinites to trump single narrations (which tbh, is a strong opinion - also dont forget who was Malik’s teacher) ….
Next, where did Shafi’i say that its “Sunnah” as well - like in his own words ? Shafi’i was certainly of the opinion of holding the right over the left above the naval - but in his major, most important work “Kitab al-Umm” - he said, be it below the naval, sadl, or his personal opinion of above the naval - Shafi’i said all are okay and the same in term of Sunnah
Now al-Nawawī was a great Shafi’i scholar, no doubt, but HE is not Shafi’i himself, he is his own human being lol - UNLESS, Hamza said that none of the Ulama of the 4 madhhabs said it was Sunnah, then I take this all back - but if he said the IMAMS THEMSELVES - then he is right about at least Malik and Shafi’i
read musnnaf ibn abi shaybah , there's an mauqoof narration of Abdullah bin Zubayr r.d who use to pray by dangling the hands.
@@mohd_amaan_ansari no one is disagreeing that this was certainly a practice of some - in fact most of medina were in sadl during qiyam, hence why Malik did not believe in clasping the right over the left - so what u showed is not surprising (though thank you for that information, I never heard that before)
but if u read my comment u would see that im actually backing up hamza yusuf because Malik Shafi’i and even Hanafi to a degree never DIRECTLY said (at least in terms of sources we can see that have survived) that clasping the hands was “sunnah” - with that being said, technically Hamza is wrong in saying ALL the imams because Hanbal did directly say it was Sunnah - but Shk. Uthman (as much as I like him) is not doing good in refuting Hamza because hamza said THEY THEMSELVES (as in the 4 imams) never said it, and Uthman goes ahead and shows OTHER scholars of the Maddhabs saying its Sunnah - which is disingenuous to be honest, because Hamza NEVER said that scholars of the maddhabs never said it was not sunnah , he was just speaking of the four great imams
Assalamualaikum shaykh in around 10:15, u said something like : no sahabah did sadl, but I read the text it says something like : no sahabah khilaf on the existence on qabd. But it didn't say that no sahabah did sadl or all sahabah did qabd. Correct me if I'm wrong. Can u explain more and tell me where it says that, On the abd barrs book?
Jazakallah for excellent explanation
As Salam Alaikum Shaikh, can you provide link of the second book you showed, with English translation showing the Maliki position so I can purchase it, JazakAllah Khair
Separately, folding the hands is sunnah, not fardh. What you quote is correct, but the opinions of fiqh from non Maliki scholars (Rahmatulah alay). This is clear and not a point of debate across schools. Sadl is the preferred method of Qiyam of the mashaykh al Malikiya, and perfectly acceptable. Some do not, primarily in North Africa due to political pressure tou may be unaware of. Lastly, Imam Maliki prayed sadl, his students prayed sadl, due to fiqh reasons, not due to the false claim (which you did not say) that he only prayed sadl due to dislocated arms. This is a fabrication and shouldn’t be repeated. Again, may Allah preserve and bless you and all of us..
May Allāh bless you
Sadl with no evidence from authentic hadith
@@matthewdanielkolbe7506 Thank you for your unqualified opinion Matthew. I’m sure the sahabah, ta’bain and tabi tabein in Madinah munawarah followed in inauthentic and unverified sources of fiqh… ya Rabb.. How narrow the focus and how little the ilm we have today in comparison. May Allah deliver us from our condition and return us to past heights of ilm, civilization and adab. Amin 🤲🏽
@@MasjidRibat Amin. May Allah bless and protect you habibi.
@@scafutos well then hey... Provide the authentic hadiths that back up sadl
Honestly after seeing "scholars" argue and mock other scholars over RUclips its no wonder every new generation is further away from Islam
I absolutely LOVE this video. In a few parts I actually laughed because of how clear the proof was and how easy it would have been for hamza yusuf to look it up.
He meant to say "Not one of the four imams consider it to be a wajibaat of prayer" as he said in another lecture. It's simply a slip of the tongue.
Drigger95
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
I hope what you are saying is correct and that is why we tried very hard to contact Hamza Yusuf to correct himself but due to no response we had to make this video. I hope you are correct but he emphasizes the point that folding the hands is from the هيئات الصلاة ... so he seems to emphasis that it is not from the Sunan. So it does not seem to be a slip of tongue. Anyway if it is simply a slip or a mistake we ask him to make a video to correct this mistake so that people are not misguided due to a simple mistake.
I am sure Brother Hamza Yusuf is humble and objective enough to accept the daleel put forward.
A lot to learn from this honest daee.
Please...not to say that brother H.yusuf isn't!
On the contrary I think brother H.yusuf is an impressive and motivational speaker.
Jazakalakhayrun for goodly knowledge from the good books.
Please do not take anything from Hamza yusuf, if you do not want to put corruption into your islam drop by drop. May Allah grant us all understanding of his pure deen. May Allah guide Hamza and all of us. ameen
I haven't learned how to do wudu or salah proper from h.yusuf but I was impressed with how he(h.yusuf) corrected Tony Blair (ex priminister of uk)at a public meeting when he was raising funds for malaria nets.
H.yusuf is an emotional speaker but doesn't bring evidences as in depth as Brother Uthman Farooq.
And Br.Uthmans dawah is out there on the road right in the thick of it.
May br h.yusuf be guided to a right decision on this issue.
I feel very comfortable learning from Br.Uthman.
بركافك
@@justice4all979 Yes there is goodness in Hamza yusuf but the harm outweigh the good, he mocks people of sunnah as wahhabi or followers of ibn taymiyyah or literalists, but he himself is a sufi person who belittle aqeedah as a dogma,then some shirk etc etc. Even big scholars like Dr. Bilal Philips have warned against him and also Yasir Qadhi have warned against those belief before he got messed up in the hands of non muslim teachers who taught him islam in yale university
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So This deen is knowledge, so be careful whom we take deen from. It's very serious matter my belove brother
@@abcdzxcd
Very interesting indeed.
It's something I shan't be taking lightly.
Thanks for the heads up.
I'll check the links provided.
جزكلكر الصر اط المستقيم
@@justice4all979 Jazakumullahu khairan akhi :)
outstanding.............................providing solid foundation
Sheikh, does any sahih hadith confirming folding the hands during standing after ruku' (I'tidal) ?
Does any report the sahaba or the early generation used to do it?
Thanks for ur knowledge sheikh. May Allah rewards u.
read sifatus salat an nabi by shaykh al-Albani (english is available)
Smh for example the hadith that says “we were commanded” he is given you evidence that some scholars use to say THAT THEY BELIEVE THE PROPHET(saw) said it. Ok Alhamdulillah they can do that.
But the fact still remains the prophet (saw) name wasn’t mentioned for a reason. And not all a tribute this to the prophet (saw). And the very scholars he quotes have the opinion holding right hand over the left is not mandatory.
السلام عليكم Sheikh,
Are you saying in this video that you believe practicing Sadl al Yadayn is impermissible?
Salams brother thank you for your lecture please check The Maliki school by Hamza yusaf post
Sheikh if you could make a video on where to place one’s hand after coming up from Ruku.
جزاكم الله خيراً ..
This might be hearsay , that imam Malik recommended that one should place his right hand over his left , but imam Malik in his later years could not fold his arms due to a disability because they were both broken when he was tortured in prison they broke his arms, which did not mend properly, the Maliki people do not follow the sunnah of the prophet pbuh but the disability of imam malik , Allah knows best
Absolute nonsense.
Excellent with clear evidence mashallah
It’s a canceled TV show; “East New York”
رمضان كريم
The maliki madhab is based on the amal of madinah, he put the hadith in the muwatta out of respect
the thing that Im more focused on is these two brothers that he made this video for- I never listen to those dudes. i don't listen most of the dudes on RUclips for deen. this brother Uthman ibn Faruq recently visited our masjid here in the city (him and Shaykh Abu Zayd Kareem- Maasha Allah). I only listen to people that Ive met in real life after i have observed them with my own eyes..
I thank Allah and I can't thank Him enough for protecting me from this deviant Hamza Hanson. When I first came back to Islam years ago, he was one of my first exposures to Islam and I was hooked to his lectures. His devilish sweet tongue and words like honey had me trapped into his deviance. But then slowly but surely Allah azza wa Jal started showing me faults in his dawah. AlhamduleAllah I came across some good brothers on RUclips that guided me away from his non sense. I recall making istikhara and asked Allah if I should navigate away from him. I remember seeing a dream that night and the signs were clear (and yes I know dreams are not necessary after istikhara but I saw one anyway). Then I left him behind and moved on. AlhamduleAllah AlhamduleAllah AlhamduleAllah Allah saved me from his filth. Allah safeguard us all Ameen.
Well, whoever Sheikh you are following hasn't taught you not to refer to a muslim brother in such manner. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf is one of the blessings of this ummah and I really pray to Allah to protect him and keep him with us for many years insha Allah.
@Abū AbdulRahmān if what you have learned has led you to this appreciation of Sh. Hamza Yusuf, I rather pass, akhi. Jazaka Allah khair.
Jazzaku Allahu ghair
What kind of sunni "scholar" refers to Rafidi sources as proof against the Muslims? And the groupies accept it as fact. Clearly he needs to spend more time studying the Deen and less time reading philosophy.
I like these head gears. Where are they from usually? Where do you find them?
RUclips Account 0x0 That one is from Afghānistān
MasjidRibat Masha Allah. I love it!
Jazakallah khairan shaikh. I have received great information today. But I have a question. Were you talking about the qiyaam before or after the rukoo'u
I actually think Hamza Yusuf meant obligation, not necessarily an optional Sunnah. He said in another video that "none of the imams consider it to be waajib". Because anybody including he himself knows that some of the imams consider it a sunnah of the prayer, but not waajib. Imaam as Shafi'i himself says about Sadl that you can do it if you wish. But this video doesn't come off to me as naseehah it comes off as toxic and antagonistic to Hamza Yusuf who is himself an upright, honest person.
If you believe that is what he meant why don't you ask him to make a correction so this misinformation is not spread by him? Why did he not respond to our emails about making a correction? Why are you not contacting him to correct this mistake?
@@MasjidRibat um, I don't have his number, I don't even have a direct way to even contact him. There's probably a plethora of reasons why he wouldn't respond, either he has too much to do, maybe he never saw the emails, maybe he's not going to drop what he's doing over a very small error in wording that he made, plus this whole thing is a small issue. But I know for a fact that Hamza Yusuf is an upright person, he doesn't ever attack people, I have no reason to believe he has malicious intent whatsoever. Hamza, you, and I all know that the 4 imams are rightly guided, and that Sadl is in the maliki madhab, and that any way that they pray is acceptable and fine. So let's not cause a dumpster fire over this small little thing that Hamza said that appears to be a misspeak.
@@MasjidRibat Hamza Yusuf as I said before, in a nother video, said that none of the imams considered it wajib, which is indeed a fact. This is most likely what he meant. ruclips.net/video/yD4mC2bIsjU/видео.html at part 1:26:18
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@@S3ven4 he's spreading his deviant teachings
Perhaps dedicating the first couple of minutes of your video settling beef with other sheikh's, try getting to the point of the video?
He disrespectful untrained and arrogant. Notice where he cut off the videos. All 4 schools position is both ways are fine. Sadl is clearly from the sunnah.
This guy is a clown and he simply playing with words
I don’t personally believe that attacking other respectable scholars is the right thing. I am a Sunni and I pray sadl and qabd, also shaykh Hamza Yusuf has provided sufficient evidence regarding sadl being proven from sunnah. List of sahaba and their successors who practised sadl: Abdullah ibn zubair RA, Urwa ibn al Zubair RA, Ali RA, Al Hasan RA, Al Hussein RA, Al Hasan al Basri, Nakhai, Saeed ibn al Musayyib, Imam Jafar as sadiq, Abdullah ibn Abbas and various others. Also if you didn’t know Imam Malik included many Hadith in his Muwatta just to show that he is aware of those Hadith. Are you implying that many of the sahaba and ahlul bayt and tabieen didn’t know how to pray properly. First learn about the Maliki fiqh then comment on whether Imam Malik preferred sadl or qabd.
Haider Ali
First of all, my dear brother, this video was to correct the statement made by Hamza Yusuf stating that all four schools of Fiqh DID NOT CONSIDER QABD TO BE SUNNAH. Can you admit that this statement is wrong?
MasjidRibat Firstly I’ll apologise if I may have sounded a bit rude. Yes you are completely correct all of the four aimma considered both sadl and qabd as being sunnah of the Prophet SAW. However, Imam Malik considered the practice of the people of Madinah to be sunnah as well, according to him praying sadl was better as it was the practice of Medinians. In the end it shouldn’t matter if one prays in sadl or qabd as both are the sunnah of Rasul Allah SAW.
Haider Ali
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Dear brother this video was to correct the misstatement by Hamza Yusuf stating that NONE of the four Aimma consider folding the hands to be Sunnah. I think you agree he misspoke when he said that right? Now you stated that all four Aimma consider both Sadl and Qabad to be Sunnah, can you provide some references from the other three Aimma, other than Imam Malik - May Allah be pleased with all of them - ?
The Mufti of Saudi Arabia pray Sadl.
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From those you mentioned my brother - may Allāh bless you - only Ibn az-Zubayr and Ibrāhīm an-Nakha‘ī are authentically reported to have prayed with Sadl al-Yadayn (hanging the hands). All of the others are weak and fabricated reports.
I wonder why he says "dangling or hanging"...In salah you stand up straight and you do not move. Dangling the arms while praying would look ridiculous..Why call it dangling?, even hanging does not really fit the description 100%, but it is a more acceptable wording because it is simpler than to say "leaving to the side". Ridiculing?
@@dinopalavra876 Are you Maliki Akhi?
@@dinopalavra876 Subhan Allah
Well I'm not going to stick on a particular Madhab due to this Hadith -
Bukhari 7084 - Prophet Muhammad ﷺ : (There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others.
But yeah I also think Sadl is the right way to stand in Salah, cause standing with folding hands resembles Jews, once I opened a website of Malikis, they debunked all of the Hadiths of folding hands Alhamdulillah!
I would suggest you one thing that please don't follow any Imam Malik's opinion without doing research, cause he was also a man!
I respect you brother, May Allah guide us!
@@dinopalavra876 Yeah I agree with you!
Is praying behind a Salafi okay?
I mean they are not doing Shirk or Kufr!
Imam Mailk (رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ) couldn't fold his hand because he was paralyzed in his hands.
Assalamo Alaikum brother.
I am not a scholar so i need your help in understanding the authenticity of some hadiths about the same issue of leaving hands unfolded in salah.
Hadith comes from Musannaf ibn abi shaiba in the chapter of sahaba or people who do not fold hands in salah.
The hadith in musannaf ibn abi shaiba is reported from 2-3 people including 1 is from Abdullah ibn zubair.
Will you please help me to know the authenticity of those hadiths in that chapter mentioned there in musannaf ibn abi shaiba.
I will wait for your reply brother. Thanks
@MasjidRibat
The video starts with so much sarcasm. Its pathetic really. The rest of the video is good academically. If only we can have tolerance for people with different opinions. I completely agree with the evidence the maulana has presented, but the sarcasm should be left out about visiting synagogues and white house implying they are busy with kufaar and yahood rather than work of deen. Thats a serious Buhtan if thats what was meant
I totally agree Jzk, it’s unnecessary to solely attack anyone with such sarcasm.
Brother tolerance is only dealt with the proofs , if you are openly calling to falsehood and promoting it, your falshood needs to be clarified and refuted openly! because you will indeed lead many people astray and ultimately into the hellfire .there is only one opinion my dear brother and one way my dear brother and that is the way of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam ,Al mustafa ,Al Alameen , the trustworthy one .that was the problem with the nations that came before us they corrupted the text and distorted it , the book of Allah is undisputedly incorruptible and the Sunnah is Perfect , they go hand in hand together and compliment one another.There is isnaad for All our information leading back to Muhammad peace of Allah be upon him.so if something doesn't come from him , it is rejected and not accepted no matter who you are!! We Follow Muhammad unrestricted Remember that!this is Islam , The Sunnah is Islam.Cut , Clear, Clean and Dry!period.
No sheikh currently in our Ummah is perfect. We can only try our best to make best of what is good.
As Salaam Alaikum. Praying with sadl is Sunna also, no issue. Only in the west is a issue.
Surprisingly, this is standard information... How could it be confused??
Please organise some debate with all sheigh who gives us misleading information
He will loose.
Beacuse he is only quoting ahadith which suits his view point.
@@junaidrizvi9884 He won’t lose the debate he contacted Hamza Yusuf but he did not give response that’s why he had to make a video.Sadl and Qabd both are fine but the video is about Hamza.He said that non of the four school of thoughts consider qabd as sunnah.It is a definite lie.
@@faraazsiddiqui1930 I never said he is wrong all the time. Mr. Engineer mirza mixes truth with lies to promote his own new firqa.
Ye khud apne chamcho k babe No.1 ban gaye hai.
Dear concerned, in Muwaatta Imam Malik put the ahadith to show people that he knows it but his opinion is to allow sadl in obligatory prayer. And in mudawana ibn qasim confirmed his response.
Also sahl ibn Saad clearly confirmed that it was an order.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Did Imam Malik - May Allah be pleased with him - say why he only placed the hadeeth to know that he knows it? You are making this up ... whybis there NO chapter on Sadl in Salah in the Muwatta? Al-Hafidh Ibn AbdbilBarr al-Maliki and others confirm that the position of Imam Malik is to fold the hands in Salah. The issue of what is stated in al-Mudawana has already been repeatedly discussed but this video is NOT about Imam Malik's view rather about the error of Hamza Yusuf to say that none of the four madhahib say folding the hands in Salah is Sunnah. Can you at least state that this is not true, there are I'mma from the four that do hold it to be Sunnah?
Walaikum asalam, well I don't want to exaggerate on it because you are an authority to narrate and I'm not. So, you may please refer to abdullah bin Hamid Ali clarification, where he had given sound judgement on it.
Jazakallah kahir.
Imam don't pray with folding his hands it is quoted by that he has seen ahle madina praying like that and prophet also had prayed like that. Both of them are sunnah of prophet
Who said The chapter headings in the muwatta are from imam malik; these are introduced later on by others
Hamza yusuf denies authentic hadith when it goes against what his sufi sheikhs have taught him
Authubillah. He follows the madhab of imam Malik, who was from the salaf. Don't act like you know more about the religion than the entire Maliki madhab. That's the ignorance of the salafis
@@2911moj He's a sufi
@@mewzi that just shows your ignorance even more because that's irrelevant for this topic.. sadl/qabd is an issue of fiqh not tasawwuf, and the primary position in the Maliki madhab is to leave the hands untied.. just because imam Malik mentioned the narrations of clasping the hands in his muwatta it doesn't mean that's the position his school holds, if only you ignoramuses would bother to read the mudawwana (if you have heard of it).. the Maliki and Hanafi schools are classically known to not be literalists, i.e. they don't just simply take each narration at face value.. imam Malik especially would prioritise the amal of ahl-ul-Madinah over narrations.. if you salafis still feel like you have the audacity to criticise the methodology of imam Malik or the people from the salaf that he followed, then please spare some moments to re-evaluate your own religious values
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@@2911moj If only you could learn some manners while talking. And if only you truly tried to follow the Salaf and not those that came afterward, who also brought their own rulings over the Salaf. Anything that contradicts what the Prophet, the Companions, the 3 righteous generations said/did is to be rejected. Also, you say Salafi as if it's a bad thing.