Noir Alley - Trapped (1949) intro 20241124
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Noir Alley - Trapped (1949) intro 20241124 by Eddie Muller shown on Nov 24, 2024
From TCM's Noir Alley (Saturdays at Midnight ET and Sunday 10am ET) hosted by the Czar of Noir, Eddie Muller.
So very interesting, Mr M. Don't really even need to watch the films! 😎
As always, thanks so very very much for posting these Noir Alley intros! I learn SO much from Eddie's commentary!
You bet
Lloyd Bridges is unforgettably creepy in Try and get me.
Could not agree more! That early 50s drama really packs a punch! Based on a real life San Jose, CA lynching of two kidnapping suspect in the 1930s. I hope Eddie will show it soon on Noir Alley.
@jubalcalif9100 a.k.a. The sound of fury. Really shook me.
@@maartenlemmens8628 Indeed! That powerful 1950 drama was issued under two titles: "Try and Get Me!" and "The Sound of Fury". Excellent script and cast (Lloyd Bridges, Edmund O'Brien, Richard Carlson, etc). It's lost none of its punch, that's for sure!
In the new intro he didn't say the line 'well you don't belong in noir alley' like in the old intro when first premiere of trapped on noir alley...
Unpopular take:
I don't consider to live and die in LA as a neo noir. It's buddy Cop action film in realistic view like the book. It doesn't have the vibes of a noir film but more of a buddy cop film and police procedural also a precursor to lethal weapon because of all the elements that happens in to live and die in la. So it's more of a police procedural buddy cop action thriller film and a precursor to lethal weapon and does not have the feels, vibes and elements of being a noir and a neo noir..
Interesting take. Here's why I consider it neo-noir: buddy cops are essentially sanitized, meaning protagonists have their flaws but somehow redeem themselves. All is neatly tied up at the end. See for example 48 Hrs. which was released before To Live and Die in L.A. There is no such thing in To Live and Die in L.A. Most of the characters, including the protagonists, aren't who they seem to appear. Which is a theme that runs throughout the movie with counterfeit money.
The combination of "buddy cop" and "action" doesn't necessarily disqualify a film as "neo noir". Did you see Hickey & Boggs (1972)?
More generally, a lot of classic noirs are straight-up police procedurals like T-Men and He Walked by Night. Heck, even The Maltese Falcon, the first major film noir is a whodunit. Its structure is classic. My point is that what makes something "noir" are, amongst other things, the aesthetic and what is beneath the surface.
What films do you consider to be of the "neo-noir" variety?
@@KhunJim2 well i see your take and view on the film but there are elements that have more a buddy cop feel then a neo noir cause in to live and die in la richard chance has the similar traits of martin riggs.. richard chance is a thrill-seeker who's not afraid of death and a bit of hot shot care looks up to his friend jim hart and with martin riggs it's the same but the differences is that riggs is on the edge but also not afraid of death as well and cares for others and his friends.. and also i don't see richard chance as a 'protagonist who's not what he seems to appear' but just as a man who looked up to his friend and mentor who cares for him and to avenge him while his recklessness and thrill-seeking gets in the way of him going after the counterfeiter that took his friend's life even though it helps him not feel the pain of the death of his friend which is jim hart and also in the movie he has problems getting along with vukovich (his new partner) feeling unsure trusting him not to complain on him to the agent in charge of the treasury dept for the things he's done to get the counterfeiter and having his word and friendship especially to have honor that he should have with chance. even though the novel is just like the movie but different and it's also buddy cop story then a noir novel so there alot buddy cop elements in this film that i can mention in this coment section that i could give.. and also i have heard hickey amd boggs but never got around to watch it but i know's it with private eyes working together something like that but i can't comment but i know it's more of buddy cop then a neo noir by looking at the poster so yeah..
@@KhunJim2 and also the maltese falcon is not a whodunit. it's a noir private eye story about sam spade's quest around san francisco and trying to find his friend's killer and the quest of the falcon and also same spade is a anti hero cause in the book and movie he has a relationship with his friend's wife and he only cares about the truth and sloving the case for money that's it.. a whodunit mystery is basically Agatha Christie mystery like death on the nile or murder on the oriented Express where they are in one location and that's it.. maltese falcon is all over san francisco so i don't see it as a whodunit more then the first noir film and book to introduce the private eye element in the traditional noir genre..
@KhunJim2 well the films i do consider neo noir are the usual neo noir films like cage of evil, underworld usa, experiment in terror, point blank, le samourai, marlowe aka the little sister from 1969, blow up, klute and the parlax view, and all the philip marlowe remakes with robert mitchum, the yakuza with robert mitchum, the conversation, night moves, taxi drvier, rolling thunder, the eyes of laura mars, someone to watch over me and the definitive neo noirs like take aim at the police van (1960), thief, the friends of eddie coyle, the long goodbye, body heat, blade runner, blood simple, blue velvet, angel heart, black rain, johnny handsome, the last seduction and memento, oldboy, collateral, soylent green, manhunter, juice with tupac, king of new York, the deep end (the remake of the reckless moment), nightmare alley (2021), challengers (2024) with zendaya, 8mm, bound, uncut gems, i,robot, the town (2010), tequila sunrise, Micheal Clayton, drive (2011), john wick 1-4, run all night, the hitman, the killer, the bad lieutenant: port of call new orleans, breaking bad and grotesquerie, miami vice kind of.. and average joe, the shield, ray donovan and the x files, if you can count these shows even though both are neo noirs and to end it all my favorite neo noir film that got me into to the genre is law abidng citizen which is the definitive neo noir film so those are the films and seven shows that i consider neo noir..
I can see both viewpoints. I never considered To Live and Die in LA as either neo-noir or buddy-cop. It has elements of both, but neither is strong enough to define it in one category or the other. It's a different kind of film which blends elements. It doesn't feel like a precursor to Lethal Weapon except the high risk taking protagonists.
I think of it as a "William Friedkin movie" because it feels similar in tone, attitude and atmosphere to The French Connection, even has a very similar chase. If I remember correctly Friedkin was influenced by some French stuff, like Godard, but in the end he did something more in his personal style. Friedkin wasn't even a genre director, he made comedy, horror, drama, thriller, documentary and other things, so he was varied.
Question: What is the 3rd noir movie mentioned - Canyon City? Can't find a reference.
Canon City (1948).
@@KhunJim2 Thank you!