How is it with the Airplay? Is it weird that you might have maps open but can't drag the image to see other parts of the map (like you can on a phone or ipad)?
@@davidd6147 I don't use car play I use android auto, but you can use the wheel to move the map as you please. Zoom is done by twisting the wheel, the move is done by using the wheel like a joystick
@@davidd6147 Apple carplay is really easy to get used to for the Mazda3. The only annoying thing is moving the map on google maps with the scroller. Overall I'd much rather prefer the simple design that Mazda has over other brands that seem to have a specific button for each and every action on the menu.
I'd buy the Mazda. My wife's 2012 Honda Civic has needed a new transmission, an air conditioning compressor, a radiator and a starter. Would never buy a Honda again. My 2013 Mazda 2 has run flawlessly.
It’s also small as fuck, doesn’t handle as well, rattles a ton, and gets worse gas mileage despite being smaller. In no world would I ever get that over a civic. You can realistically fit a family of 4 in a civic, and have enough trunk/hatch space to haul things. You cannot say that with the Mazda 3.
Love my 4th gen Mazda 3! Absolutely stunning car, awesome interior, and with blind spot monitors and a reverse cam there aren't any visibility issues to complain about.
Do you get used to the backup camera not actually adapting to you turning the wheel. I'm about to buy one and am wondering. I don't even have a backup camera now so anything is better regardless lmao
I will always chose a Mazda...underrated cars! The reliability is insane, been driving my 3 for 7 years from brand new and not a single issue to speak of.
@RunningInThe90s jajajaja the cvt is not as bad as idiot's describe it just do their service as indicated and for sure it will outlast that mazda honda is way better than mazda that's for sure
my 2008 Mazda 3 Hatchback has 376,892 miles as of this morning. Major parts are original. I changed the armbars due to rough driving. Changed the driver door knob. Want to see this baby go all the way up to 500K miles.
Please drive your Mazda 3 on rocky gravel and dirt roads only to see if it will survive the next 15K miles in the U.S. Northeastern states. If so, congrats on a solid-built car.
Well some people will claim that it gets a harsher ride, which may be true depending on the particular vehicle. That said, Mazda switched from a multi-link rear suspension to a torsion beam rear suspension, which is the older style, because they found that in a car that small there's not a lot of benefit to the multi-link set up. Additionally, it limits what you can do in the rear end of a car that size.
Consumer reports says the Mazda is actually more reliable than the Civic, and given the well known issues reported with the civic (engine oil contamination) it makes sense. Plus I think CR is far more reliable than JD Powers. CR is a nonprofit that is not affiliated with any manufacturer, whereas JD gets all of its money from the very manufacturers it is evaluating. No possibility of bias there right?
The same CR that ranked BMW as 3rd most reliable? That CR? Here's the thing, if I was shopping in this segment it would come down to these two. They are miles above the others. The Mazda is more luxurious and looks better, the Honda more practical and more efficient. In terms of reliability and resale, I would lean towards the Honda, based on my experience with them for over 10yrs now. But thats not to say the new Mazdas aren't reliable, but they have to be tested in the fire of time.
I am a CR subscriber, and I have issues with how they rank things. I do believe Mazda is better than Honda at the moment, but they're very VERY close. CR STILL doesn't really consider long term reliability based on previous models, mostly only new reviews. They only get info from users. For example, I had a 2014 Nissan Rogue that had 0 issues whatsoever, but I know lots of people who's had tons of problems with theirs. I was the only one to upload their experience to CR, and now the 2014 Rogue is considered to be extremely reliable, and it may only be because of my car, before I submitted they had no data. So take CR with a grain of salt. The more paid subscribers sharing their experiences the better.
@@jldkrank I believe they take input from more than just one person. It is my understanding that they require a certain number of reports to be considered statistically meaningful, otherwise they just say "insufficient data". I highly doubt your one report significantly changed their rating on a particular car.
@@nolifezay4636 considering the market adjustment on the civic was 6k over msrp at the cheapest yes. Mazda also offers a lot of standard features. I’m coming from an Evo so this feels downright luxurious by comparison.
A new 2023? What trim and what price if you don’t mind me asking. I’m in the market for a compact sedan and want to go scope the 3 and want to score a nice deal like that
@@SteelerNation3000 I got a 2023 Mazda 3 S Select, which is the option above the base with radar cruise and lane keep etc. I paid 23935 out the door. Msrp is 24.5 I think so I didn’t get a monsterous steal but considering my final loan amount was less than msrp with taxes and documents I did alright. If you get a good rate from your local credit union and have good credit Mazda financial will beat it as well. My bank offered me 3.4 Mazda gave me 3.2 with no early pay off penalties.
My Mazda 3 drives as well today as it did in 2005. In that time, I’ve only had to replace a sensor and battery and tires. It doesn’t have Bluetooth or cameras, but I still get to enjoy the leather seats and sunroof. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned, just beating out my Honda CRX.
Lucky you. My 3 started rusting in 4 years. Several thousand-dollar major repairs after 100k+. Started to fall apart after 250k+ and cost me $400-$600 every couple of months to repair. Finally got rid of it at 290k and got a couple of hundred dollars for it. Now a Toyota man and have been pretty happy with it.
We have already had to replace my wifes hondas CVT transmission. It's is in the early stages of going bad again after approximately 75k miles. Will never buy another CVT transmission vehicle again.
A lot of people don't know much about this topic but you also have to mention that the automatic civics only come with a cvt. The Si and Type-R are only manual while the Mazda 3 sedan and hatch do not have cvts in any trim. Mazda's come equipped with a 6 speed manual or 6 speed automatic. That is very important when talking about reliability, although cvts have better gas mileage, they do not last long and are expensive to maintain/repair. I would pick mazda not only because I avoid cvts like the plague but Mazda does a beautiful job with their designs.
I don’t expect Honda’s CVT to be problematic, I just don’t like the way they drive. My wife has a 2022 CR-V and while it’s comfortable and will likely last forever, it’s just so darned boring. I have a 2021 Mazda 3 hatch, one step up from base (no leather or moonroof) with AWD (we live in Northern MI) and it seems like a bargain. Under 26k but AWD, auto cruise control, a great stereo, and everything else I could want. It’s fantastic in the snow, as well. That said, I do give Honda credit for making the manual available in multiple trim levels while Mazda only offers it on a loaded HB with FWD.
dude me 2 lol i avoid cvts the same way i drove one for 6 years i just hear one and it gives me nightmares mine snapped at 40k on my new honda civic ..... straight trash .. they cant pick up speed, or pull, they cant take any abuse or rough driving, it does over heat and it will eventually snapp its just a matter of time i had a mazda ffor 22 yearss never gave up on me and i abused the hell out of it ... after the cvt fiasco i went right back to mazda by the way every other car brand on the market from every model of car from 20k to 40k now have cvts .....even some honda and toyota SUVS .... mazda the only branad out there sticking with that baddass fun to drive transmission .6 years with a cvt a 6 speed tranny is a dream come true
Pointless observation by all the Honda fanboys. I'm a previous 2003 Honda Accord EX-V6 owner, too. So, I’m coming from a place of eleven years of owning a Honda. I owned it till 2014. It was a great car-dependable, alright but not exceptional. Honda is down a few notches of the reliability roster lately. Mazda is second to Toyota. It's pathetic that consumers don’t do substantial research and make decisions based on some observations done years ago. The only reason Honda looks a little better these days is all thanks to Mazda. Mazda has showed mainstream car brands that just because a car is built at a price point doesn’t mean that it must look like a bland and an uninspiring shit-box. MAZDA ALL DAY FOR ME. Mazda is the only brand that breaks away from the pack to do what they’re enthusiastic in creating. A car is not just about touchscreens. Bland and uninspiring consumers will always move in herds towards what the easy choice is. There will never be changes there. But consumers who like a little bit of thrill will gravitate towards vehicles that are created to give the thrills. I can boldly say that Mazda is the only company right now that has been able to crack that fine balance of dependability, exterior and interior designs, and an array of intricate and exceptional engineering.
I have a 2017 Mazda 6. It was in the shop for some bodywork and my loaner was 22 Camry. What a snooze, it was like your fathers Oldsmobile. I couldn’t wait to get my Mazda back. The Camry felt like the 2005 Ford Fussion I rented years ago. I test drove a Subaru Legacy with a CVT, another yawn. It was all noise and no go, it reminded me of a diesel U-Haul truck. Mazda is all about the driver, not the cup holders.
Sorry I couldn't do the CVT and my other half won't drive stick so Mazda it is. CVT is a deal breaker. I should also mention Mazda sold me at MSRP and Honda wanted $4000 over MSRP lol
Had a 2016 Maz 3 Hatch. When I test drove the 2020 Maz 3 for a trade, I rejected the vague Torsion Beam Suspension instantly. The look of the car is splendid, with an equally pleasing interior. BUT, we are surrounded by our Mojave Mountains and it's ALL ABOUT HANDLING around here. Instead, we bought the last one of the new Gen X Civics, which handled far more briskly (Independent Rear Suspension)with great road/driver communication, for our Daily driver. We love it and the 35mpg AVR out of our 1.5T is excellent. Best of all, not a single problem in 55k miles!
One of the richest men on the planet, Warren Buffett drives a 22 year old car. He said he takes good care of it. He also said the road to the poor house is paved with car payments.
I have a 2018 mazda3 hatch premium package. It was assembled in Mexico which i was not happy with, however it has been an excellent vehicle, and i would certainly buy another Mazda in the future. What I appreciate with Mazda is they don't stray from their vision .. they don't use CVT transmissions, they stay with what they know is reliable!.. I love Mazda for sticking to their roots.
The Mazda hands down, especially the sedan version. The Civic is ugly, not as premium as a Mazda 3, and doesn’t handle well, plus a CVT. No thanks! 🤣 Mazda for sure!
The Mazda 3 has not been redesigned in 5-6years (2019). The fact that it’s being compared to the newest generation Civic which was released within 2 yrs shows how good the 3 is. Imagine how good the next gen will be. It has more horsepower and a traditional 6 speed automatic transmission. I’ll take the Mazda 3 in a heart beat
Hondas and Toyotas are over rated and not attractive designs in my opinion. Mazdas are drivers car and much more attractive and as reliable as the others….people are so brainwashed on Toyota and Honda reputations they tend to forget to try Mazda. I understand Honda and Toyota are very reliable, but Mazda has closed that gap plus are more engaging vehicles and extremely attractive designs….
I'll stick with Honda because they actually stand by their product on trade in. I was a Mazda owner / leasee (Protege 5 lease, Mazda 3 purchase and Mazda 5 lease) 1st one was ok; owning never again because they start to fall apart after 5 years; then Mazda scammed me on the last lease, they charged me $1,100 for a few scratches / dents even after I had paid for the lease insurance! Whereas my first 2018 Civic LX lease, Honda called me BEFORE the lease was up. I was running a spare, all the tires were bald, desperately needed brakes and it had a few scratches and dents and they didn't charge me a dime! They got me into a 2020 Civic Touring and loved it so much that when they called me BEFORE the lease ended again back in June 2023, I signed for the new 2023 Civic Touring as they gave me $9,200 off the list price because my 2020 only had 38,000km and was basically still brand new (needed tires and brakes again, but no scratches or dents). $0 down and my new lease payments are the same! Honda keeps earning my business even though they already did on the first lease!
Mazda is better than Honda because Mazda use a traditional automatic transmission while Honda uses CVT transmissions which are structurally weaker in material.
Mazda has come up to industry-leading Honda in terms of value and reliability because, as a smaller car maker, it has limited the number of models it produces and it has stayed away from making pickup trucks while offering strong engines and transmissions in its cars and SUVs.
They are cheaper because they are under sold they know if they try to sale them at the same price of cars that are more reliable they will not sale as many as they sale at the price they have them honda will outlast mazda for many years not just afew
Everyone knows Honda build quality has gone downhill over the years, and those transmissions can't be trusted. Plus, I think the styling is ugly. It gives me 2010 Hyundai design vibes. Conversely, I think the Mazda looks much better and everyone knows Mazda quality has done nothing but improve drastically over the past decade. They're rated more reliable than a Toyota now.
@@alfredtszwaing1882 Good choice. I have a 2003 Lexus ES 300, made in Japan, other than regular maintenance, no problems, at all. Only component changed, the AC Compressor. Not bad for a 20 yr old car. My sister has a 2008 Honda Accord 2 dr, 6 cylinders. Special order from Japan because she wanted the 6 speed manual tranny. Bad a## car, still in almost brand new condition. I know you won't be disappointed.
@@jameschan9634 thanks, I hope so too. I’m not too worried about the build quality and the reliability of the 3. I’m just a bit worried about the road noise and suspension stiffness which other people have encountered over their long term ownership of the vehicle. I hope it’s not too bad lol
Excellent review. I will call BS on the quality rankings. JD Power is a marketing firm disguised as an unbiased quality ranking firm. Do not believe any of their rankings, they take huge sums of money from all auto makers The biggest donors win each year. Do not believe me? do your own research and also consider they routinely rank Chrysler products with awards. Mazda has teamed up Toyota in recent years and Mazda quality across their line is second only to Toyota. Honda is a nice 3rd place but continue to have issues with oil dilution and trans problems. Mazda is your better bet for reliability in this comparison, but I will admit we are splitting hairs. Both very good
mazda all day everyday twice on sunday boy! ... i had one for 22 years its insane the way they are built very reliable ... very nice very fast ... not no `.1 liter engine that honda gives u ... they got that simple 2.5 with a auto-shift 6 speed transmission spanking anything attached to those TRASH-TRASNMISSIONLESS TRANSMISSION THE CVT
Does the Honda have a real transmission? What... it doesnt? Does the Honda have a spare tire? Wait... it doesnt? Does the Honda's turbo charged engine make 250hp and 320lbs of torque? Hell No!! Sorry Honda boys. Mazda wins.
Both are great cars. Civic is more fuel efficient, has more space for rear passengers and larger trunk capacity, and has a very simple and minimalistic interior. The Mazda has a more appealing exterior design and uses higher quality materials on most of the exterior/interior features of the car. I do alot of long roadtrips and need alot space for outdoor recreational equipment, so Im going with the Civic (even though I hate the addition of the "auto-start/stop" feature)
Honda is more reliable, doesn't rust as fast, depreciates 1/2 as fast but take off may also be 1/2 as fast LOL Had mine 10 yrs problem free and still going strong
Had a Mazda 3 for a rental and really liked it. I own an MX-5 so I would def go for the Mazda. I had an Accord once and it was a good car, but not really my cup of tea.
In Canada, New base model Mazda 3 Manual- $27,800 OTD. New base model Honda Civic CVT- $34,700 OTD. No question. * clarification in Canada we have a 2.0L 4 cylinder model ‘GX’ compared to base civic
In Australia you wouldn't even wonder which of the 2 to pick. Honda has been shooting itself in the foot consistently. Sales numbers keep dropping and their strategy to 'fix' this is to increase prices for comparably inferior products. Leaves more room for the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese!
@@BigiGuyyyy Yes, Mazda sells about 20x more cars so it would be a safer bet. Hondas are no longer the nicer japanese brand, they're just severely overpriced and can't compete with the others.
Most of the population isn’t vegan. Americans see “1.5l” and think, that’s slow. They be right, 1.5l turbo is small for what is essentially the Honda Accord sized Civic while the Honda Accord itself being a Land Yacht. Then you have guys like Scotty Kilmer who slander Honda left and right, not a fun time for the employees.
In Puerto Rico the honda sport is in $34,000 and the mazda 3 premium is on $30,000. So the honda sports have a 7 inch infotaiment screen and a 2.0 n/a 158 hp, cvt transmision vs mazda 2.5 n/a 191 hp, conventional automatic transmision and the 8.8 inch infotaiment screen. I think theres an obvious winner. However I will test drive both to see which one I buy.
LOL you can't find a Mazda 3 ANYWHERE in Toronto! So the choice is made for you here! The civics are available the Mazda's are not! Not much of a car if you can't but one!!
I went back on forth between these two many times on my most recent car purchase. The pro and con list weighed almost equal. I found a dealership for each willing to meet me well below MSRP as of November 2023.. I guess they wanted to move their lot for the winter.. so I got equal OTD offers on each and it was a TOUGH choice. The mazda almosttttt had me with the more luxurious interior ( despite the pleather ) and bells and whistles - but ultimately the Honda just spoke to my style more. The Mazdas body has some curves and angles that just don’t do it for me. I also preferred the handling on the civic. The Mazda’s steering was a bit tight and heavy for my driving style. The backseat was also tiny ( although doable ). The civics sound system is very disappointing ( in the EX anyway) - but ultimately that didn’t seem like a big enough deal break or make for me.. I’ll just have to upgrade.
I did almost the exact same thing. I almost got sick over it. For me I only get one shot to get it right. I normally keep my car 15+ years. I try to buy the best, take care of it and get as much out of it as I can. It came down to the honda and mazda. Like you I got a civic. Sport touring. April 22 msrp+ 2k for add ons but no mark up. 18 months 15000 miles. No problems No regrets and certainly no post buyers remorse. In fact I am happier today than the day I brought it home. Absolutely convinced I unequivocally made the best choice I could. Good luck and happy motoring.
Nice , Enjoy! Im jelly of the touring - but I feel good about my choice as well :D@@In-obscurity-n7j Also, when you said you almost got sick over it- I hear ya...I spent countless hours researching and ovethinking. thankful it's settled.
The Mazda 3s current generation came out in 2019. The fact that it is being compared to the new Honda civic which was redesigned in 2022 I believe says a lot. Imagine what the redesigned Mazda will be like
This a pointless match up, it is just like trying to convonce a friend to date one girl over another, yes she is nicer, yes she can talk, yes she is loaded... But the other is just smoking hot!!! Lol
ahhh man, scrolling thru the comments.. yall krazy, Smh. Lol.. i was leaning towards the Civic Hatch, but jus saw a new Hatch3 ovr the wknd & it was sitting pretty low & did not like that.. tho i like the 2018 Hatch3.. dammm, decisions decisions. Smh 😂😂😂 Lmao.. both cars obviously has it Pro's & Con's!!.. & i hope i get one for MSRP 🤞
I ended up buying the Civic sport touring. I use it as my daily driver and it serves me better out of the two for many reasons. cvt is not a problem for daily use. I also personally like the looks over the Mazda. My only knock is the price cause the lack of all wheel drive. I’m really happy with my purchase and whichever car you chose, if your happy with it then you’ll be fine.
Mazda is too ugly and bad sight lines. Civic doesnt suffer from that, but many Honda dealers are doing msrp markups (FU2 buddy) and up to the LX models, Civics gimp u on options like rear USB charge port and rear folding arm rest.
It's just the weirdest thing that they don't sell the Skyactive-X in North America. I get the same power as the 2.5 with a 2.0, torque lower down in the RPM (lower shifts and engine running speed about town) and better fuel consumption. It is also more than happy running along at 150/160 kph on EU highways (and higher if I'm being cheeky).
Just picked up a civic sport and it looks better in my opinion. Red with black rims. Having a mitsubishi turbo brombos and a new injin exhaust kit slapped in soon as the warranty falls off. Already bought these items a few months ago in preperation. Cheaper than if I were to buy an so or a type r. All install will be done by my buddy's garage. Can't wait....
I'm in debate between these two cars now. Since I'm a family of four with two small kids. Civic is an obvious choice, I tried to put two car seats in the back with my kids. Wow I understand it's suppose to be sporty but don't advertise it as a family sedan. I would've pick mazda 3 if I were single or married with no kids.
base engine comparison: so civic has 180 hp but goes 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds but mazda even with 191 hp goes 0-60 in similar 7.5 seconds? all the while civic has better mpg according to this video so is mazda's engine in base model poorly designed or something? Or is the video giving wrong data? Is turbo that big of a difference in civic? Whats the point of mazda's 191hp over 180of civic?
I drive a 2012 Civic -128K - zero problems here in MN. Looking at Mazda3 & CX-30. Both look a lot more stylish than their Honda counterparts, IMO. I'm leaning towards getting a Mazda based mostly on looks- don't think there's any differences between Hondas and Mazdas that I would consider significant.
Mazda has better and more premium looking color choices. The Mazda has a better body style design that looks premium. Mazda’s 2.5 L 191hp naturally aspirated engine will last longer than Honda’s turbocharged 2.0L 180 hp. Naturally aspirated engines last longer.
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love my mazda 3, exterior and interior is amazing, love the scroll wheel instead of tacky touchscreen
How is it with the Airplay? Is it weird that you might have maps open but can't drag the image to see other parts of the map (like you can on a phone or ipad)?
@@davidd6147 I don't use car play I use android auto, but you can use the wheel to move the map as you please. Zoom is done by twisting the wheel, the move is done by using the wheel like a joystick
@@chewie78767 That makes sense - thanks!
@@davidd6147 Apple carplay is really easy to get used to for the Mazda3. The only annoying thing is moving the map on google maps with the scroller. Overall I'd much rather prefer the simple design that Mazda has over other brands that seem to have a specific button for each and every action on the menu.
I'd buy the Mazda. My wife's 2012 Honda Civic has needed a new transmission, an air conditioning compressor, a radiator and a starter. Would never buy a Honda again. My 2013 Mazda 2 has run flawlessly.
🫢just happened to pick a bad year for civics
The 2011 Honda Civic EX-L is better than those Civics made in 2012. You got a bad year,
@@SHADYSHANK12 This could be another bad year for civics; who knows?
@wittwittwer1043 good point lol.. I wouldn't be shocked
Mazda 3 has 191 HP and does not have a cvt
No CVT ?
Exactly what I’m looking for .
It’s also small as fuck, doesn’t handle as well, rattles a ton, and gets worse gas mileage despite being smaller.
In no world would I ever get that over a civic. You can realistically fit a family of 4 in a civic, and have enough trunk/hatch space to haul things. You cannot say that with the Mazda 3.
@@areallytallguyactually if civic is larger from inside
Mazda always has better handling and stability and that is now more as it has awd
@@omarkhaled2747 better read the reviews buddy. Savagegeese. Mazda 3 uses outdated suspension design.
Civic also doesn't have a cvt. An ECTV is a million miles away from a cvt. No belts or crap going on. Please research. 🙏
Love my 4th gen Mazda 3! Absolutely stunning car, awesome interior, and with blind spot monitors and a reverse cam there aren't any visibility issues to complain about.
I would fucking hope that the car has reverse cam. What a stupid comment.
They are soooo beautiful. I want one 😂
I like mine too.
Do you get used to the backup camera not actually adapting to you turning the wheel. I'm about to buy one and am wondering. I don't even have a backup camera now so anything is better regardless lmao
Very ugly car for me
civic type R really shouldn't even be part of the conversation considering it is nearly TWICE as expensive.
In Puerto Rico a Civic type r starts at $71,000 thats nearly three times expensive.
I will always chose a Mazda...underrated cars! The reliability is insane, been driving my 3 for 7 years from brand new and not a single issue to speak of.
Lol… 7 years and no problems… try 20 years without problems. Mazda will be in a junk yard long before that.
@@covidhoax7646 Stay salty Honda fanboy, meanwhile Honda with their garbage CVT broke just in 2 years.
@RunningInThe90s jajajaja the cvt is not as bad as idiot's describe it just do their service as indicated and for sure it will outlast that mazda honda is way better than mazda that's for sure
@@runninginthe90s75 Triggered!
7 years is not a brag. Sorry.
my 2008 Mazda 3 Hatchback has 376,892 miles as of this morning. Major parts are original. I changed the armbars due to rough driving. Changed the driver door knob. Want to see this baby go all the way up to 500K miles.
Please drive your Mazda 3 on rocky gravel and dirt roads only to see if it will survive the next 15K miles in the U.S. Northeastern states. If so, congrats on a solid-built car.
@richscott2483 lol if you are in California, you are already driving on a gravel roads!
Mazda fanboy here, cruising around in his eight year old Mazda,3 which is my third Mazda
Mazda ftw. Despite its basic structure/chassis being old compared to the all new civic, the mazda still kicks ass in the sub compact car segment.
Mazda3 and Civic are not in sub compact segment, they are compact cars (C Segment), Mazda2 and Honda City belong to B Segment or Sub Compact
Whats the downsides of a old structure ?
Well some people will claim that it gets a harsher ride, which may be true depending on the particular vehicle. That said, Mazda switched from a multi-link rear suspension to a torsion beam rear suspension, which is the older style, because they found that in a car that small there's not a lot of benefit to the multi-link set up. Additionally, it limits what you can do in the rear end of a car that size.
Consumer reports says the Mazda is actually more reliable than the Civic, and given the well known issues reported with the civic (engine oil contamination) it makes sense. Plus I think CR is far more reliable than JD Powers. CR is a nonprofit that is not affiliated with any manufacturer, whereas JD gets all of its money from the very manufacturers it is evaluating. No possibility of bias there right?
The same CR that ranked BMW as 3rd most reliable? That CR? Here's the thing, if I was shopping in this segment it would come down to these two. They are miles above the others. The Mazda is more luxurious and looks better, the Honda more practical and more efficient. In terms of reliability and resale, I would lean towards the Honda, based on my experience with them for over 10yrs now. But thats not to say the new Mazdas aren't reliable, but they have to be tested in the fire of time.
JD Powers measures reliability in the first six months. BFD.
I am a CR subscriber, and I have issues with how they rank things. I do believe Mazda is better than Honda at the moment, but they're very VERY close. CR STILL doesn't really consider long term reliability based on previous models, mostly only new reviews. They only get info from users. For example, I had a 2014 Nissan Rogue that had 0 issues whatsoever, but I know lots of people who's had tons of problems with theirs. I was the only one to upload their experience to CR, and now the 2014 Rogue is considered to be extremely reliable, and it may only be because of my car, before I submitted they had no data. So take CR with a grain of salt. The more paid subscribers sharing their experiences the better.
@@jldkrank I believe they take input from more than just one person. It is my understanding that they require a certain number of reports to be considered statistically meaningful, otherwise they just say "insufficient data". I highly doubt your one report significantly changed their rating on a particular car.
@@ericmichel3857 well im glad about that. It seemed like they only got a result after I shared. Thanks for the info
Got the Mazda 3 and paid under msrp, every Honda dealer wanted to stick it to me. Very nice comfy car with zero complaints.
really, is it better than a civic
@@nolifezay4636 considering the market adjustment on the civic was 6k over msrp at the cheapest yes. Mazda also offers a lot of standard features. I’m coming from an Evo so this feels downright luxurious by comparison.
A new 2023? What trim and what price if you don’t mind me asking. I’m in the market for a compact sedan and want to go scope the 3 and want to score a nice deal like that
@@SteelerNation3000 I got a 2023 Mazda 3 S Select, which is the option above the base with radar cruise and lane keep etc. I paid 23935 out the door. Msrp is 24.5 I think so I didn’t get a monsterous steal but considering my final loan amount was less than msrp with taxes and documents I did alright. If you get a good rate from your local credit union and have good credit Mazda financial will beat it as well. My bank offered me 3.4 Mazda gave me 3.2 with no early pay off penalties.
@@Agueart still solid though dude. Did you get that 24k when all was said and done after taxes/fees?
Mazda 3 by far
My wife has a Civic Sport and I have a Mazda 3 Sport. They both have their strengths and we love them both, I couldn't pick a winner.
This does not help me in my purchasing decisions
@@achannel7553 ended up purchasing with the civic. Nice car
This is the best purchase decisions, having both cars with your partner.
god this red mazda 3 interior is beuatiful
It is definitely very striking in person. Elegant and sporty which is weird but that was how it felt to me.
My Mazda 3 drives as well today as it did in 2005. In that time, I’ve only had to replace a sensor and battery and tires. It doesn’t have Bluetooth or cameras, but I still get to enjoy the leather seats and sunroof. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned, just beating out my Honda CRX.
if not having Bluetooth is an issue, you can get an adapter that plugs into your headphone jack for less than $20 online
Lucky you. My 3 started rusting in 4 years. Several thousand-dollar major repairs after 100k+. Started to fall apart after 250k+ and cost me $400-$600 every couple of months to repair. Finally got rid of it at 290k and got a couple of hundred dollars for it. Now a Toyota man and have been pretty happy with it.
@@belld001yeah probably you did have the model before 2006 and that's explain a lot but after that year all the mazda are realible
This is very simple, if you enjoy driving, get Mazda, if you don't, get Honda
We have already had to replace my wifes hondas CVT transmission. It's is in the early stages of going bad again after approximately 75k miles. Will never buy another CVT transmission vehicle again.
I have a Civic and my sister has a Mazda 3. I find regular maintenance is cheaper for the Mazda.
I love me some Mazda
A lot of people don't know much about this topic but you also have to mention that the automatic civics only come with a cvt. The Si and Type-R are only manual while the Mazda 3 sedan and hatch do not have cvts in any trim. Mazda's come equipped with a 6 speed manual or 6 speed automatic. That is very important when talking about reliability, although cvts have better gas mileage, they do not last long and are expensive to maintain/repair.
I would pick mazda not only because I avoid cvts like the plague but Mazda does a beautiful job with their designs.
The Civic Sport and Sport Touring also come with an optional Manual transmission
Granted, standard automatic transmissions are better, but Honda's CVT has proven to be pretty reliable.
I don’t expect Honda’s CVT to be problematic, I just don’t like the way they drive. My wife has a 2022 CR-V and while it’s comfortable and will likely last forever, it’s just so darned boring. I have a 2021 Mazda 3 hatch, one step up from base (no leather or moonroof) with AWD (we live in Northern MI) and it seems like a bargain. Under 26k but AWD, auto cruise control, a great stereo, and everything else I could want. It’s fantastic in the snow, as well.
That said, I do give Honda credit for making the manual available in multiple trim levels while Mazda only offers it on a loaded HB with FWD.
Only the uninformed conflate honda cvts as being unreliable because cvts are unreliable in a nissan.
dude me 2 lol i avoid cvts the same way i drove one for 6 years i just hear one and it gives me nightmares mine snapped at 40k on my new honda civic ..... straight trash .. they cant pick up speed, or pull, they cant take any abuse or rough driving, it does over heat and it will eventually snapp its just a matter of time
i had a mazda ffor 22 yearss never gave up on me and i abused the hell out of it ... after the cvt fiasco i went right back to mazda
by the way every other car brand on the market from every model of car from 20k to 40k now have cvts .....even some honda and toyota SUVS ....
mazda the only branad out there sticking with that baddass fun to drive transmission .6 years with a cvt a 6 speed tranny is a dream come true
Pointless observation by all the Honda fanboys. I'm a previous 2003 Honda Accord EX-V6 owner, too. So, I’m coming from a place of eleven years of owning a Honda. I owned it till 2014. It was a great car-dependable, alright but not exceptional. Honda is down a few notches of the reliability roster lately. Mazda is second to Toyota. It's pathetic that consumers don’t do substantial research and make decisions based on some observations done years ago. The only reason Honda looks a little better these days is all thanks to Mazda. Mazda has showed mainstream car brands that just because a car is built at a price point doesn’t mean that it must look like a bland and an uninspiring shit-box. MAZDA ALL DAY FOR ME. Mazda is the only brand that breaks away from the pack to do what they’re enthusiastic in creating. A car is not just about touchscreens. Bland and uninspiring consumers will always move in herds towards what the easy choice is. There will never be changes there. But consumers who like a little bit of thrill will gravitate towards vehicles that are created to give the thrills. I can boldly say that Mazda is the only company right now that has been able to crack that fine balance of dependability, exterior and interior designs, and an array of intricate and exceptional engineering.
Are you a Mazda employee? 😆
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The Mazda 3 is one of the most fun cars I have driven.
I have a 2017 Mazda 6. It was in the shop for some bodywork and my loaner was 22 Camry. What a snooze, it was like your fathers Oldsmobile. I couldn’t wait to get my Mazda back. The Camry felt like the 2005 Ford Fussion I rented years ago. I test drove a Subaru Legacy with a CVT, another yawn. It was all noise and no go, it reminded me of a diesel U-Haul truck. Mazda is all about the driver, not the cup holders.
@@bohickity cup holders come pre built in the engine cover 😅 hold my beer Mazda and watch dis (aggressively overfills oil)
Sorry I couldn't do the CVT and my other half won't drive stick so Mazda it is. CVT is a deal breaker.
I should also mention Mazda sold me at MSRP and Honda wanted $4000 over MSRP lol
Mazda better do a type r version of their hatch with lsd and it's gold!
Might be happening (hopefully). There's a new Spirit-R mazda 3 performance version coming out apparently.
@@know916bound fingers crossed!
Had a 2016 Maz 3 Hatch. When I test drove the 2020 Maz 3 for a trade, I rejected the vague Torsion Beam Suspension instantly. The look of the car is splendid, with an equally pleasing interior. BUT, we are surrounded by our Mojave Mountains and it's ALL ABOUT HANDLING around here.
Instead, we bought the last one of the new Gen X Civics, which handled far more briskly (Independent Rear Suspension)with great road/driver communication, for our Daily driver.
We love it and the 35mpg AVR out of our 1.5T is excellent. Best of all, not a single problem in 55k miles!
Love my 2019 AWD Mazda 3. The AWD is the trump card, the car handles like it's on rails. No comparison between AWD and FWD for performance.
Love my 2022 Mazda 3 Premium hatchback 6MT, extremely fun to drive
had mine for a year, seemingly same trim and transmission as yours, absolutely love the vehicle
fun to drive = aka worse mpg, no ty
Mazda Killin it.
lower mpg and lane change views arent "killin it"
@@srobeck77 awe okay
One of the richest men on the planet, Warren Buffett drives a 22 year old car. He said he takes good care of it. He also said the road to the poor house is paved with car payments.
He also has a company jet ✈️
@@motorfuture2025 He owns more than one. He has a jet charter company that is profitable. Jets don’t crash in value like new cars, or trucks.
Mazda doesn’t have lane centering? I think, civic is way more safe, which not a lot of people think when buying cars
2024 does and a touch screen infotainment
Mazda cars will beat the Honda every time - when it comes to rust.
I have a 2018 mazda3 hatch premium package. It was assembled in Mexico which i was not happy with, however it has been an excellent vehicle, and i would certainly buy another Mazda in the future. What I appreciate with Mazda is they don't stray from their vision .. they don't use CVT transmissions, they stay with what they know is reliable!.. I love Mazda for sticking to their roots.
The Mazda hands down, especially the sedan version. The Civic is ugly, not as premium as a Mazda 3, and doesn’t handle well, plus a CVT. No thanks! 🤣 Mazda for sure!
The Mazda 3 has not been redesigned in 5-6years (2019). The fact that it’s being compared to the newest generation Civic which was released within 2 yrs shows how good the 3 is. Imagine how good the next gen will be. It has more horsepower and a traditional 6 speed automatic transmission. I’ll take the Mazda 3 in a heart beat
The 3 has aged very well. It’s a beautiful car!
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Hondas and Toyotas are over rated and not attractive designs in my opinion. Mazdas are drivers car and much more attractive and as reliable as the others….people are so brainwashed on Toyota and Honda reputations they tend to forget to try Mazda. I understand Honda and Toyota are very reliable, but Mazda has closed that gap plus are more engaging vehicles and extremely attractive designs….
My father in law is one of those😂
I'll stick with Honda because they actually stand by their product on trade in. I was a Mazda owner / leasee (Protege 5 lease, Mazda 3 purchase and Mazda 5 lease) 1st one was ok; owning never again because they start to fall apart after 5 years; then Mazda scammed me on the last lease, they charged me $1,100 for a few scratches / dents even after I had paid for the lease insurance! Whereas my first 2018 Civic LX lease, Honda called me BEFORE the lease was up. I was running a spare, all the tires were bald, desperately needed brakes and it had a few scratches and dents and they didn't charge me a dime! They got me into a 2020 Civic Touring and loved it so much that when they called me BEFORE the lease ended again back in June 2023, I signed for the new 2023 Civic Touring as they gave me $9,200 off the list price because my 2020 only had 38,000km and was basically still brand new (needed tires and brakes again, but no scratches or dents). $0 down and my new lease payments are the same! Honda keeps earning my business even though they already did on the first lease!
I'd go Mazda by default because the hood made civics ghetto... 😅 Couldn't pay me.
Smh. Lol😂😂😂
@@robertogarciajr.8618 😚
Mazda is better than Honda because Mazda use a traditional automatic transmission while Honda uses CVT transmissions which are structurally weaker in material.
If you wash your Honda the paint comes off so Mazda for the win.
I'll go with the non turbo. Minimal issues.
As long as it’s not a Kia or Hyundai…. I’d love either car!
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What’s wrong with Kia and Hyundai? need guidance.
@@youknowwho5560 all car companies have fanboys and haters.
Mazda has come up to industry-leading Honda in terms of value and reliability because, as a smaller car maker, it has limited the number of models it produces and it has stayed away from making pickup trucks while offering strong engines and transmissions in its cars and SUVs.
See? Sometimes being popular forces you to extend you ranges while the competitor focuses on what already was.
Idk where you live, but mazda has a lot more models than honda…
Mazda has never led in "reliability" dont make up bullshit here bruh youll get served. Now value or style, maybe cause thats subjective.
Value? Look up used cars between the two and come back and retype what you said.
You forgot one thing to consider, dealing with the Honda dealership service department. Mazda is better in price and long term maintenance costs.
LOOKING FOR THIS.
They are cheaper because they are under sold they know if they try to sale them at the same price of cars that are more reliable they will not sale as many as they sale at the price they have them honda will outlast mazda for many years not just afew
This. In seven years of Mazda ownership i’ve never felt taken advantage of by the dealership service department.
The new Hondas look great overall.
Honda engines are the best in the world, although Mazda is a great brand.
the 1.5T is questionable, and a honda tech i follow on tiktok is constantly replacing CVTs
Everyone knows Honda build quality has gone downhill over the years, and those transmissions can't be trusted. Plus, I think the styling is ugly. It gives me 2010 Hyundai design vibes. Conversely, I think the Mazda looks much better and everyone knows Mazda quality has done nothing but improve drastically over the past decade. They're rated more reliable than a Toyota now.
American build quality. If you can find one made in Japan, you can be assured it's a much better purchase.
I haven't heard about any Honda CVT transmission problems, why can't they be trusted?
@@jameschan9634mine is coming from Japan this June. Can’t wait
@@alfredtszwaing1882 Good choice. I have a 2003 Lexus ES 300, made in Japan, other than regular maintenance, no problems, at all. Only component changed, the AC Compressor. Not bad for a 20 yr old car. My sister has a 2008 Honda Accord 2 dr, 6 cylinders. Special order from Japan because she wanted the 6 speed manual tranny. Bad a## car, still in almost brand new condition.
I know you won't be disappointed.
@@jameschan9634 thanks, I hope so too. I’m not too worried about the build quality and the reliability of the 3. I’m just a bit worried about the road noise and suspension stiffness which other people have encountered over their long term ownership of the vehicle. I hope it’s not too bad lol
Exactly , no doubt Mazda is better designed and build than Honda ...
Excellent review. I will call BS on the quality rankings. JD Power is a marketing firm disguised as an unbiased quality ranking firm. Do not believe any of their rankings, they take huge sums of money from all auto makers The biggest donors win each year. Do not believe me? do your own research and also consider they routinely rank Chrysler products with awards. Mazda has teamed up Toyota in recent years and Mazda quality across their line is second only to Toyota. Honda is a nice 3rd place but continue to have issues with oil dilution and trans problems. Mazda is your better bet for reliability in this comparison, but I will admit we are splitting hairs. Both very good
I totally agree with you.
@@sdc5683 Scotty kilmer fan?
mazda all day everyday twice on sunday boy! ... i had one for 22 years its insane the way they are built very reliable ... very nice very fast ... not no `.1 liter engine that honda gives u ... they got that simple 2.5 with a auto-shift 6 speed transmission spanking anything attached to those TRASH-TRASNMISSIONLESS TRANSMISSION THE CVT
The civic looks like someone just hit the Bevel button on the design software lol
Does the Honda have a real transmission? What... it doesnt? Does the Honda have a spare tire? Wait... it doesnt? Does the Honda's turbo charged engine make 250hp and 320lbs of torque? Hell No!! Sorry Honda boys. Mazda wins.
Mazda makes heads turn its way. Honda turns heads the other way.
I prefer Honda overall, I prefer the more economical aspect for petrol costs, reliability and the touch screen entertainment system to the dial.
Certainly like the new exterior and classic Honda reliability 💜
And the honda has a more affordable and wider variety of modding capabilities where mazda has always lacked
This is like explaining why I should pick the friendly girl over the cheerleader lol....
@Axelafy you misspelled ToyoTAXI - they even had to conceal safety defects. Lame, boring, decade behind technology
Just cant beat honda
Both are great cars. Civic is more fuel efficient, has more space for rear passengers and larger trunk capacity, and has a very simple and minimalistic interior.
The Mazda has a more appealing exterior design and uses higher quality materials on most of the exterior/interior features of the car.
I do alot of long roadtrips and need alot space for outdoor recreational equipment, so Im going with the Civic (even though I hate the addition of the "auto-start/stop" feature)
It's easily disabled, but it is annoying that so many cars have that now.
@@andrewptob it definitely is easy to disable, but you have to do it everytime you start the car. There is no setting to permanently disable it.
The Civic is like Rachel Weltz, nice, pretty, sensitive, all great! But the Mazda 3 is Angelina... Lol
@@javigar133 Rachel Weltz? OR rachel weisz - Rachel Weisz for me dude! haaha
Only cause of the CVT trans and eco
Honda is more reliable, doesn't rust as fast, depreciates 1/2 as fast but take off may also be 1/2 as fast LOL Had mine 10 yrs problem free and still going strong
Had a Mazda 3 for a rental and really liked it. I own an MX-5 so I would def go for the Mazda. I had an Accord once and it was a good car, but not really my cup of tea.
I have a 21 Civic Type R FK8 but I would pick that beautiful Mazda hatchback over the standard Civic.
In 5 years when you get ready to sell it. The civic will be worth twice as much as the Mazda 3…civic all the way.
In Canada,
New base model Mazda 3 Manual- $27,800 OTD.
New base model Honda Civic CVT-
$34,700 OTD.
No question.
* clarification in Canada we have a 2.0L 4 cylinder model ‘GX’ compared to base civic
That’s not right. I literally made a civic on their website with the middle trim and total price taxes and all was 34k
Honda is certainly a good car, but the exterior design is too ugly for my taste.
In Australia you wouldn't even wonder which of the 2 to pick. Honda has been shooting itself in the foot consistently. Sales numbers keep dropping and their strategy to 'fix' this is to increase prices for comparably inferior products. Leaves more room for the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese!
So you reckon Mazda would be the pick currently over Honda?
@@BigiGuyyyy Yes, Mazda sells about 20x more cars so it would be a safer bet. Hondas are no longer the nicer japanese brand, they're just severely overpriced and can't compete with the others.
Most of the population isn’t vegan. Americans see “1.5l” and think, that’s slow. They be right, 1.5l turbo is small for what is essentially the Honda Accord sized Civic while the Honda Accord itself being a Land Yacht. Then you have guys like Scotty Kilmer who slander Honda left and right, not a fun time for the employees.
Mazda 3 > Civic
Nah. Civic reliability is still better. Mazda has come a long way, though.
Mazda was always better
MAZDA FAR MORE SUPERIOR TO HONDA. MAZDA ALL THE WAY
In Puerto Rico the honda sport is in $34,000 and the mazda 3 premium is on $30,000. So the honda sports have a 7 inch infotaiment screen and a 2.0 n/a 158 hp, cvt transmision vs mazda 2.5 n/a 191 hp, conventional automatic transmision and the 8.8 inch infotaiment screen. I think theres an obvious winner. However I will test drive both to see which one I buy.
Mazda is the best
LOL you can't find a Mazda 3 ANYWHERE in Toronto! So the choice is made for you here! The civics are available the Mazda's are not! Not much of a car if you can't but one!!
type r honda 300hp is the only one worth it, if not go for mazda.
I think I’m buying the Mazda 3 in Black.
Mazda hands down.
Mazda. Cause I'll have buttons on my car stills.
Mazda in every day
I went back on forth between these two many times on my most recent car purchase. The pro and con list weighed almost equal. I found a dealership for each willing to meet me well below MSRP as of November 2023.. I guess they wanted to move their lot for the winter.. so I got equal OTD offers on each and it was a TOUGH choice.
The mazda almosttttt had me with the more luxurious interior ( despite the pleather ) and bells and whistles - but ultimately the Honda just spoke to my style more. The Mazdas body has some curves and angles that just don’t do it for me. I also preferred the handling on the civic. The Mazda’s steering was a bit tight and heavy for my driving style. The backseat was also tiny ( although doable ). The civics sound system is very disappointing ( in the EX anyway) - but ultimately that didn’t seem like a big enough deal break or make for me.. I’ll just have to upgrade.
I did almost the exact same thing. I almost got sick over it. For me I only get one shot to get it right. I normally keep my car 15+ years. I try to buy the best, take care of it and get as much out of it as I can. It came down to the honda and mazda. Like you I got a civic. Sport touring. April 22 msrp+ 2k for add ons but no mark up. 18 months 15000 miles. No problems No regrets and certainly no post buyers remorse. In fact I am happier today than the day I brought it home. Absolutely convinced I unequivocally made the best choice I could. Good luck and happy motoring.
Nice , Enjoy! Im jelly of the touring - but I feel good about my choice as well :D@@In-obscurity-n7j Also, when you said you almost got sick over it- I hear ya...I spent countless hours researching and ovethinking. thankful it's settled.
@@In-obscurity-n7j how much was the msrp for touring? in total how much did you pay?
Honda always look boring to me.
Mazda is better.
The Mazda 3s current generation came out in 2019. The fact that it is being compared to the new Honda civic which was redesigned in 2022 I believe says a lot. Imagine what the redesigned Mazda will be like
Mazda looks better overall. Would prefer that over the Honda Civic
Mazda!
2019 Mazda AWD hatchback for me. Love it. Confident inspiring when you're doing some spirited driving.
This a pointless match up, it is just like trying to convonce a friend to date one girl over another, yes she is nicer, yes she can talk, yes she is loaded... But the other is just smoking hot!!! Lol
im in love with my 2023 civic sport but the auto start is the only major gripe i can think of. they need to make make an update to keep it off.
why u dont like it
Just tap the button. I bought mine last week. Red with black rims looks sharp as hell
@@Nitrous-ej5zy yes but you have to do that every time you start
oh damm did not know. So u gotta shut it off e evry time. Oh hell naw. Sm h. Lol.
mazda all the way!!!
ahhh man, scrolling thru the comments.. yall krazy, Smh. Lol.. i was leaning towards the Civic Hatch, but jus saw a new Hatch3 ovr the wknd & it was sitting pretty low & did not like that.. tho i like the 2018 Hatch3.. dammm, decisions decisions. Smh 😂😂😂 Lmao.. both cars obviously has it Pro's & Con's!!.. & i hope i get one for MSRP 🤞
Fail to mention the reliability of the Civic's 1.5T engine though......
The 1.5 had the oil dilution issue (supposedly fixed) plus a turbo, so I'm not so sure it sets a high standard for reliability.
I ended up buying the Civic sport touring. I use it as my daily driver and it serves me better out of the two for many reasons. cvt is not a problem for daily use. I also personally like the looks over the Mazda. My only knock is the price cause the lack of all wheel drive. I’m really happy with my purchase and whichever car you chose, if your happy with it then you’ll be fine.
Yur better off without AWD. worse mpg, tow truck drivers can destroy your transmission, and very expensive to repair
Are they at the similar price level? If not then it is meaningless to compare 😅
Civic cost a lot more
Mazda is too ugly and bad sight lines. Civic doesnt suffer from that, but many Honda dealers are doing msrp markups (FU2 buddy) and up to the LX models, Civics gimp u on options like rear USB charge port and rear folding arm rest.
Mazda for every choice any more.
It's just the weirdest thing that they don't sell the Skyactive-X in North America. I get the same power as the 2.5 with a 2.0, torque lower down in the RPM (lower shifts and engine running speed about town) and better fuel consumption. It is also more than happy running along at 150/160 kph on EU highways (and higher if I'm being cheeky).
Just picked up a civic sport and it looks better in my opinion.
Red with black rims. Having a mitsubishi turbo brombos and a new injin exhaust kit slapped in soon as the warranty falls off. Already bought these items a few months ago in preperation. Cheaper than if I were to buy an so or a type r. All install will be done by my buddy's garage. Can't wait....
They do look pretty good!
Good news! here in Australia you cant buy any Hondas as they have shut down the dealerships and Honda Australia wont answer any inquires. shame!
I'm in debate between these two cars now. Since I'm a family of four with two small kids. Civic is an obvious choice, I tried to put two car seats in the back with my kids. Wow I understand it's suppose to be sporty but don't advertise it as a family sedan. I would've pick mazda 3 if I were single or married with no kids.
base engine comparison:
so civic has 180 hp but goes 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds
but mazda even with 191 hp goes 0-60 in similar 7.5 seconds? all the while civic has better mpg according to this video so is mazda's engine in base model poorly designed or something? Or is the video giving wrong data? Is turbo that big of a difference in civic?
Whats the point of mazda's 191hp over 180of civic?
Mazda 3 !!!
Defined Mazda
I choose Mazda.
I prefer Mazda by far
Good luck getting the civic hatch at msrp
I drive a 2012 Civic -128K - zero problems here in MN. Looking at Mazda3 & CX-30. Both look a lot more stylish than their Honda counterparts, IMO. I'm leaning towards getting a Mazda based mostly on looks- don't think there's any differences between Hondas and Mazdas that I would consider significant.
Mazda has better and more premium looking color choices. The Mazda has a better body style design that looks premium. Mazda’s 2.5 L 191hp naturally aspirated engine will last longer than Honda’s turbocharged 2.0L 180 hp. Naturally aspirated engines last longer.
got me a Mazda 3 hatch carbon edition and i love it.mazda looking way better
Got the Mazda 3 because of the good reviews and I was able to get it within two weeks! No regrets! It's an amazing little car!