One should not try to beat Mother Nature, but instead to work with it using the most proven permaculture methods. We need a strategy to rehydrate all the continents and to restore all the ancient forests in barren regions. @@ms3862
@@anonyme5893 Cause they're out there exposed in the air, besides, we don't call them artificial rivers per se, but canals. That kind of logic that you call a pipeline a river means there are even longer oil rivers somewhere, or lpg rivers 😅
Calling a pipeline or canal a river is not common. Rivers are naturally formed. "Artificial river" makes no sense and is just marketing nonsense (look up greenwashing).
@@Yusufiya I believe the first and second phases were completed and are operational as we speak. You are correct that the 3rd phase was halted due to the proxy war. Thanks Obama and Hilary…
Pretty much. Given the sealed nature this "river" will do nothing for the land it passes through. A real river would turn the surrounding landscape green.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming that’s right. I think all of this water will end up being metered and payable to finance the investment so those local communities that would have possibly gained some additional verdant growing land will not benefit in that way? - (About 20 years or so ago I remember some bright person saying “water will eventually become the next gold” (I wonder if that will eventually mean that poor people will become even more thirsty?))🤔
@@philtucker1224 Nah poor people will probably always have water, unless some bright spark starts shipping it to mars or something to jump start their Teraforming project. The problem with poor peoples water is usually it's quality. Filled with drugs like floride, or just contaminates like rust, mildew and sediment. A lot of places can't even trust their tap water to water their lawn without killing the grass let alone drink it.
@@kyleharrinton221 I've been opening my eyes to the Middle East honestly everything over there is beautiful and I want to move there, I actually started investing over there already.
@@kyleharrinton221 There is a company called Aseel, and recently I signed up to a new platform called moneDo because aseel doesn't offer much opportunities.
Now, if Saudi Arabia starts planting Mangrove forests on their coasts, build more Solar plants to produce all their electricity, using the brine from the saline convertion as energy storage, they might be up to something. But this pipeline system is NOT a river. Misleading title.
@@gerhardswanepoel3493Desserts are the best place to harvest sunlight. Morocco, which was once so poor it need imported oil and gas from Europe for nearly all buildings, now gets 40% at home from a massive solar plant in the desert and could soon within 20 years even export excess into Europe as most of the country is desert but there’ll still be plenty left especially with the new advances that have been made recently that makes solar more efficient without needing as much surface area as before
Take the energy from massive solar plants, and lay the brine in big pools in the desert to produce salt as the last water evaporate. You get return on investment when you become net exporter of salt while at the same time not puttign the brine back to the sea, destroying eco systems with too salty water.
The brine is full of impurities. It might be better to fix them in a form of concrete, covering the roads. The brine itself contain not a lot of water as all the water has been passed through the membranes.
@@guidovanbelle8516 You don't want salt in concrete it will eat any rebar set inside it. The US mostly uses the brine as road/sidewalk salt (huge market still open) but they do have some neat new places is socal and Florida, that with extra pool's/steps are able to get 10-20% eatable salt.
So we should leave making weapons so what happened to Gaza can happen to us ? No way there is many evil powers in this world that plan to destroy our country as they did for example to Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan and many other examples
They just voted against building the world's largest desalination plant that would've solved southern California's draughts, claiming energy consumption is too high and harmful to the environment
What about the brine? It's already a problem. They currently discharge it directly into the ocean creating massive dead zones.. Scaling up desalination without addressing the brine problem will be an ecological disaster of epic proportions..
Amazing and impressive? Yes! Sustainable? That's still debatable... If its solar powered and using advanced water conservation techniques? Then yes! If it's oil powered, wastes water and doesn't use industry best practices? Then it's a fool's errand... Hopefully it's more of the former and less of the latter...
Knowing the Saudis, it's probably the latter. Surely the west will make up for their environmental impacts by implementing another tax on something innocent that produces maybe 1/100000 of the carbon emissions the Saudis are cresting here..
It wasn't covered in the video but I'm truly curious as to how they work plan to dispose of all that saline brine in a way that doesn't harm marine life. Sustainability is a broad topic covering several aspects. As things stand, most Gulf State nations use copious amounts of fossil fuels for desalination, largely ignoring the potential of solar regional resources for this purpose.
Video shows a trench for laying two pipeline, but still talking about "river". These would be networks of pipelines, built around KSA to deliver water for agriculture. Lybia already has similar networks, unless USA bombed them.
Desalination on this scale will result in the production of an enormous volume of brine. The diagrams showed the filtrate coming out of the processes, but the other fraction, known as retentate is typically 40-60% of the total volume. As you attempt to reduce the retentate volume (thereby increasing the salt concentration), you non-linearly increase the energy demand on the RO system. So they will be dumping all this brine back into the environment, and there will be consequences. I don't mean to suggest they can't or shouldn't do this.. I understand that this strategy enables millions to flourish in Saudia Arabia. I would like to see some acknowledgement of the donwsies as well as hear their plans to mitigate those impacts (if any).
@@VarietyGamerChannel as you add salty water to an infiltration basin you will precipitate out minerals that consolidate and ossify the bottom of the basin, cutting the infiltration rate to almost nothing. The practical consequence is that it takes an impractical area to infiltrate away brackish wastewater, even if one isn't concerned at all with the underlying aquifer quality (which is usually not the case).
Desalinating billions of gallons of seawater requires millions of tons of people lastic, filters, pumps, wastewater holding land. Huge amounts of electricity 24x7x365. All in a region of desert which is warming up by the day. Boondoggle defined
i assume they will buy lots of modular reactors from the chinese to power the desal plants, currently much of their oil is used for desal. this would prolong their oil reserves especially with growing population.
Yes it should work, even though the time scale to get it done might vary. They are producing many round farms at a fast pace and over time, this will increase the humidity and create more rains. This is what happened in Phoenix, AZ in the US. Back in the 50's it was a legit desert. AS more people moved into the region, new lawns, swimming pools and trees were planted. Now, Phoenix is much more humid and more rains. When storms come, more rain is falling and more snow in the mountains surrounding the city, creating more runoff into rivers and newer lakes and ponds. It will depend on if they want to build more artificial lakes and ponds for the new communities with round farms for agriculture. Google shows they have built a vast amount of these round farms so they are using water for this and the more green you make a region the more you change the climate of it. Over a fast area if you plan to green it and grow crops the more natual rain you can create.
I like your sentiment re increasing rainfall, etc, but in reality, lattitude in relation to the equator, weather systems, and geography perhaps has a greater impact on the evapotranspiration scale than what is just generated via the stomata exchange with forests. I have long thought that trees are an important reinstation into the ecology for the promotion of rain, and yes, they really do under the right circumstances. However, they play a more important role in getting the water into the ground through deep root penetration and slowing the evaporative and ground surface water flow once the rains come. Therefore, they effectively lift the ground storage capacities that improve ground hydrology through introducing organic matter, evaporative barriers, entomology, flora, and fauna that all kick-start sustainable ecosystems. 😊
@@raystein5418 Well,, how do you get increased evaporation and increased humidity? You de-desert. Basically by creating more greenery, more water source pools, and farming ponds. This is basic weather principle and how climates change over time. But in a smaller urbanized area, say a portion of a country, you can do it almost overnight, especially if that is your goal. This happened to Phoenix, AZ in the US almost overnight. Now it rains much more than even back in the 50's. The heat is more oppressive though with higher humidity levels brought on by the water source. This also is basic terraforming for food production. At the amount of money they are spending, they could almost grow the food inside, hydroponics and vertical farming. If you dig the wells, for ponds, pools and irrigation, the rainfall is less of a worry until you create more humidity from greening.
@@raystein5418 Trees do play an effective role but not early on in the greening process. Once you bring the water, you than either fill up ancient subterranean water tables or you create new ones. Once this is dome over time, you have now the ground table and soil for larger and more deep rooted trees. The difference between trees higher rainfall areas and their climate zones and smaller desert trees. The more amount of ground water available, the bigger the trees can grow. Fruit trees they are planning are perfect at this early stage in the process for Saudi. I'm very impressed by all this they are doing. They aren't just laying agricultural foundation to support these resorts but terraforming it to build a much larger urbanization environment there. I think the projects will be successful there because of this terraforming and creating what might have been there thousands of years ago, and new technologies and innovations are speeding up the process. Just a couple of years ago, these google images showed nothing but desert. Almost no green round farms and waiter sources. Now the vast region is teeming with them.
@gwhite7136 In Australia, where I live, there was a plan called the Bradford plan (1930's, timeframe) Bradfords plan was to turn the surplus rain that fell in the northeast of Queensland back into the arid side of the range situated on the western side of the range. The plan has been debated back and forth for nearly 90 years, and the studies have shown that although de-desertification is possible through irrigation systems from the benefit of turning the water inland and cloud production may increase but any rain that may fall simply evaporates before hitting the ground due to the massive heat inversion layer found at that lattitude. The clouds form too high as there isn't the ceiling to push the clouds down. In the east, the air moisture can be condensed against the eastern ranges and compressed up against a ceiling that is cooled by the temperature moderating factors of the sea. Effectively, the rain is allowed to condense and fall without the evaporative forces of the heat inversion layer generated in the west. This is why Saudi are building their massive river scheme inside a pipeline. They have an arid climate with high heat, which would also evaporate any river not covered and obliterate any potential precipitation. But yes, you have got to start somewhere. The Saudis are doing it to their credit, and good luck to them on their honourable efforts. Fortunately, they are well resourced to do it on the back of a fossil fuel driven economy, and unlike many other similarly resourced countries that seem to be hell-bent on destroying, in conquest, other countries sovereignty and resources.
@@raystein5418 It's hard to say for sure but this being built so close to the oceans is another plus. In Australia how far was the ocean from where they were trying to build it? Sure, it's arid in Saudi, just like the deserts of AZ were where Phoneix is. If you add moisture by adding vegetation with irrigation, you are going to change the humidity factor. Meaning, it won't be dry but more humid and the ocean helps with this. My guess is that is why they are buidling within a reasoanble distance from the water. Piping water is part of that irrigation. Reminds me of the plans we had back in the 50's to pip fresh meltwater down from Alaska and Canada into the arid regions of CA, AZ and Nevada but they never did it. Since they have been greening more in the SouthWest of the US, rainfall has increased. Death Valley has now formed a massive lake in the middle and this is the driest place on earth. The lake just formed in the last few months. Excessive rain and mountain snow. I'm sure they are trying to get the same effect in Saudi but are adding more greening than they have in California and the regions not far from Death Valley. Just this weekend the Sierras are getting 10 feet from one snow even, on top of about 12 feet. But that in itself is far from death valley.
Desalination is insanely expansive, those states absolutely cannot afford this. Only a country with massive oil reserves could afford to see if this kind of thing might work
Finally, it becomes more like the UK. Where their past generations build the canals that carry water into the city and nowadays people who buy boat canal use the rivers. In the past, large boats and horses carried the stock into the city. Nows days many underground water pipes are either used to bring fresh water or removed sewages out of the city.
How? Did the dessert turn green? How? Did it bring fresh water? He did his part that could be considered as great. Now the will do their part & each generation will add only Truth is great.
The Great example of forward future thinking, incredible innovation and technological solutions. Like from dreams of the Prince Persian and a miracle of the World. The Dreams come true.
The long report, full of how the project is the greatest, and, no doubt, good for Saudi, does not touch the important question of how much energy, that is, burning oil, is involved in greening a desert.
Did I miss the comment on when the project is going to be completed? Where is the brine going? Poor video. Looks like something a salesman would put together.🤔😖
This is priceless, about 10 years ago I was saying why dont we carve more rivers across the nation to help provide more water ... everyone thought that was stupid... or at least here LITERALLY through this process. I have drawings and a time stamp on it LOL
Honestly, I really hope this works for them. It will be absolutely amazing to see how they can honestly transform a desert into some type of green environment.
I find it interesting that they didn’t even touch on the main problem with desalination- waste disposal of the brine. They put it back into the ocean and the Red Sea is already twice as salty as normal due to the huge amounts of this waste brine being dumped back into the sea.
Saudi Arabia and other countries in the Middle East should start to do some REFLORESTATION, planting trees and forming new forests, transforming large areas of degraded land back into bio-diverse ecosystems, by restoring millions of trees and in turn improving the lives for rural farming communities, as well as capturing over a million tons of carbon to benefit the planet as a whole. This can be considered a major accomplishment for any country, particularly one that has a low average rainfall such Saudi Arabia.
Good for Saudi Arabia for investing in projects that will help its citizen. That's what a good government does. Saudi is doing good thing while Iran waste it's resource in making arms and arming Hamas, Hezbollah , Houthis and many other terrorist groups. Iran could develop an economy to help its people instead of an economy for only RGC and terrorist groups.
Prophet muhammad s.a.w . hadith: Toward endtime/sign endtime Jazirah arab will turn green and folow of rivers. Thousand years ago arabia has fertile land.
Very interesting with an artifical river lager than the River Nile. This could create the possibility that Saudi Arabia could be the largest suppler of H2, because you need to Desalinate the water first to create H2. Very good possibility for the future.
@@CecileSchonfeld Google it Qushtapa canal 280 km long 600 m2 water in a second. Started by Islamic Emart of Afghanistan. A year ago it will take two more years. Cost $1 billion
new offshore and shore facilties that can converts salt to freshwater cheaper and faster could turn much of this nation green, but what do you do with all that salt.
In this video he talks about the fact that in Saudi Arabia, it was barely able to be self-sufficient, because of the lack of potable water for consumption by life,so they drilled to the water table,deep in the earth, but that depleted rapidly, so it was decided to build plants where salt water,was turned into fresh water, but it's very expensive but because the land is so baren there was no alternative but with the help of technology they could use the excess water to create water for the creation of food for human consumption as they could use the sale of oil to fund the project but through the evolution of earth what was once excellent land dried up but earth has changed through time.Eventually the project was completed but science also helped the process,never underestimate man's use of brain power as my father explained it to me, the power of thought, which no other specie has which leads to the evolution of mankind, as there are many different idea's, which no one can explain in pure detail, many different theories as mankind is exploring the universe and far off galaxies, called distance moons,like our own solar system which rotate around there own suns,by the power of gravity, it's a unseen power
“ _Turning the Saudi Kingdom green introduces prosperous times in the near future, as Western Asia centralises and becomes a hotspot for trade, commerce, tourism, and migration. If focus on the build is sustained around the clock, there is possibility to see it blossom new terrain and climate patterns in this life time, where policy is certain to transition as the world becomes less Sunny._ ”
It is very pro project and does little but hype the idea up for ten minutes. Though if it was done by Saudi Arabia I would hope it wouldn't have to keep looping the same 30 second clips as tge dude talked.
Once trees are grown and forests form natural water should return... this shouldn't be just about farming, it should also be about environmental recovery and renewal. Imagine that along the 12.000 kilometre stretches? Nothing short of a miracle!
Don’t get impressed with these mega projects in Saudi Arabia, they will end up scaling it down or canceling it because of lack of funds. Just look at the Riyadh metro project, it took a decade to do it because of lack of funds. Neom project was scaled down last week and the line project seems that it will be limited just to to 2 km instead of the proposed 170 km because of lack of funds.
This is a project very good thinked and desingned in each part. I am in accordance in all, I was thinking in something like this in the same time like thinking nobody will do this, and here this mega project is a reality for my surprise. For so much factors this is mega important and the project speaks in itself, this is very positive for the Planet, now I have more hope inside of my big worry! I wish success in this great entrepreneurship.💫
I'd paint the pipe white and lay it on the surface as much as possible to be able to repair inevitable leaks. I'd also make green corridors along the pipeline for for the future generations.
The brine generated from the desalinisation plants could be processed to extract the minerals from it as there's a lot of useful stuff in brine to be used as raw materials in manufacture.
hoping saudi will build a bigger river they needed very badly for the deserted land n country nearby...and thru inside middle of country near all city..
@@donaldmaxie5264As a country they hardly use any renewables so the power source is likely fossil fuel based. If only they had lots of space, sun and funds they could go solar...
MBS must be very pleased this year. The river is amazing. The desalination is very advanced. I hope to travel there someday. I hope I will be received kindly. My skin is light. Lingering glances.
8:37 The desalination process requires more energy than it could give out. It doesn't produce energy. It makes sense to couple an energy plant with the desalination plant, but to say it's the desalination plant itself that produces energy is deceptive.
Is this the coolest mega project in Saudi Arabia right now?
Yes
This is already done 20 years ago. It is not a new project but an already existing one.
No.
Russia tried building rivers and it resulted in a new desert lmao you can't beat Mother Nature
One should not try to beat Mother Nature, but instead to work with it using the most proven permaculture methods. We need a strategy to rehydrate all the continents and to restore all the ancient forests in barren regions. @@ms3862
A “River” ? An underground pipe sounds more like a “pipeline” to me…
Underground rivers exists even naturally.
@@anonyme5893But they aren't laid in a pipe😅
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 well rivers aren't laid in canals neither, yet artificial rivers are.
@@anonyme5893 Cause they're out there exposed in the air, besides, we don't call them artificial rivers per se, but canals. That kind of logic that you call a pipeline a river means there are even longer oil rivers somewhere, or lpg rivers 😅
Calling a pipeline or canal a river is not common. Rivers are naturally formed. "Artificial river" makes no sense and is just marketing nonsense (look up greenwashing).
This will work as long as you add forests to reduce winds and help provide conservation of the aquafer.
They have Saudi Green Initiative .
@@ریحانارشدinitiative not actions yet..
😂
@@ریحانارشد still takes initiative not actions.
It's underground
One question. What happens to the enormous quantity of brine produced as the byproduct of desalination?
A very good question, like most areas in the GCC, they will dump it into the ocean.
Start a salt making operation?
Sell it for food, use it, extract minerals from it, (primarily) dump it into the ocean
Most likely dumped in the ocean, upsetting the balance and making this the opposite of environmentally friendly.
Salt is a basic ingredient for starting a chemical industry. Read that somewhere.
Fun fact: Libya now currently has the worlds largest man made underground rivers. 🇱🇾
The project didn't completed due to the civil war in 2011
@@Yusufiya I believe the first and second phases were completed and are operational as we speak. You are correct that the 3rd phase was halted due to the proxy war. Thanks Obama and Hilary…
@@lets.build.cool.things Thanks also to Nicholas Sarkozy.
@@Kenan-Zwho is that? A scientist?
@@abdeslamkallis533 Ex-president of France, who led the fight against Gaddafi's Libya that left the country in ruins
It's a pipeline, not a river
😂 exactly
You could even describe it as a subterranean aqueduct.
Pretty much. Given the sealed nature this "river" will do nothing for the land it passes through. A real river would turn the surrounding landscape green.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming that’s right. I think all of this water will end up being metered and payable to finance the investment so those local communities that would have possibly gained some additional verdant growing land will not benefit in that way? - (About 20 years or so ago I remember some bright person saying “water will eventually become the next gold” (I wonder if that will eventually mean that poor people will become even more thirsty?))🤔
@@philtucker1224 Nah poor people will probably always have water, unless some bright spark starts shipping it to mars or something to jump start their Teraforming project.
The problem with poor peoples water is usually it's quality. Filled with drugs like floride, or just contaminates like rust, mildew and sediment. A lot of places can't even trust their tap water to water their lawn without killing the grass let alone drink it.
Why does every Middle Eastern country go for the world's largest?
Competition is healthy.
Actually looks insane, I wish the US was as ambitious.
@@kyleharrinton221 I've been opening my eyes to the Middle East honestly everything over there is beautiful and I want to move there, I actually started investing over there already.
@@yusufenver5077 How?
@@kyleharrinton221 There is a company called Aseel, and recently I signed up to a new platform called moneDo because aseel doesn't offer much opportunities.
Now, if Saudi Arabia starts planting Mangrove forests on their coasts, build more Solar plants to produce all their electricity, using the brine from the saline convertion as energy storage, they might be up to something.
But this pipeline system is NOT a river. Misleading title.
Why not build a nuclear power plant and save all that money from building the solar panels?
@@gerhardswanepoel3493Desserts are the best place to harvest sunlight. Morocco, which was once so poor it need imported oil and gas from Europe for nearly all buildings, now gets 40% at home from a massive solar plant in the desert and could soon within 20 years even export excess into Europe as most of the country is desert but there’ll still be plenty left especially with the new advances that have been made recently that makes solar more efficient without needing as much surface area as before
@@gerhardswanepoel3493 they will be targeted as TERRORISTS if they build nuclear
IRAN: yeah😅
Take the energy from massive solar plants, and lay the brine in big pools in the desert to produce salt as the last water evaporate. You get return on investment when you become net exporter of salt while at the same time not puttign the brine back to the sea, destroying eco systems with too salty water.
The brine is full of impurities. It might be better to fix them in a form of concrete, covering the roads. The brine itself contain not a lot of water as all the water has been passed through the membranes.
@@guidovanbelle8516 So they are returning it to the ocean and increasing the salt content of the Red Sea?
@@stanford2444 Yes it's called Brine which is so salty that fishes and other aquatic species cease to exist in the area where its dumped.
the Saudis need WATER.Salt will be a byproduct...
@@guidovanbelle8516 You don't want salt in concrete it will eat any rebar set inside it. The US mostly uses the brine as road/sidewalk salt (huge market still open) but they do have some neat new places is socal and Florida, that with extra pool's/steps are able to get 10-20% eatable salt.
This is more profitable to humanity than spending money on weapons for destruction of humanity championed
They have money for that too. Or should we say, debt.
If there are no weapons then people will come and steal your things. Humans are vile and evil that's why everyone has weapons.
So we should leave making weapons so what happened to Gaza can happen to us ? No way there is many evil powers in this world that plan to destroy our country as they did for example to Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan and many other
examples
Yeah, let’s just get ride of the military and be defenseless…🤡🤡🤡
Well said
Pretty cool! Glad to see Saudi Arabia is a leader in desalination! California could benefit from mirroring those systems.
California would be far better off by properly managing the fresh water it already has.
Nah, we need to stop growing cotton, alfalfa, rice, corn, etc first.
They are doing it in orange county
@@Faa334 Because they are extremely water intensive and can be grown in other parts of the country and then transported.
They just voted against building the world's largest desalination plant that would've solved southern California's draughts, claiming energy consumption is too high and harmful to the environment
What about the brine? It's already a problem. They currently discharge it directly into the ocean creating massive dead zones.. Scaling up desalination without addressing the brine problem will be an ecological disaster of epic proportions..
It is a dilemma between desertification or saltier sea. Either way we are f'ed.
@@bsanchir89lol
The brine ought to be captured and used for other things.
I wish them success and hope they will share their experience with other Nations.
Finally, a project I can get behind.
go Saudia🇸🇦🇸🇦🇸🇦❤
Good projects and great thinking ahead for the FUTURE!!
Amazing and impressive? Yes! Sustainable? That's still debatable... If its solar powered and using advanced water conservation techniques? Then yes! If it's oil powered, wastes water and doesn't use industry best practices? Then it's a fool's errand... Hopefully it's more of the former and less of the latter...
Don't use common sense or facts, it makes the dreamers heads ache ...
Knowing the Saudis, it's probably the latter. Surely the west will make up for their environmental impacts by implementing another tax on something innocent that produces maybe 1/100000 of the carbon emissions the Saudis are cresting here..
It wasn't covered in the video but I'm truly curious as to how they work plan to dispose of all that saline brine in a way that doesn't harm marine life. Sustainability is a broad topic covering several aspects. As things stand, most Gulf State nations use copious amounts of fossil fuels for desalination, largely ignoring the potential of solar regional resources for this purpose.
it takes oil to make solar panels...shut up Greta
@@MiniMozo-o5x You have SPECTACULARLY missed the point.
Video shows a trench for laying two pipeline, but still talking about "river". These would be networks of pipelines, built around KSA to deliver water for agriculture. Lybia already has similar networks, unless USA bombed them.
Desalination on this scale will result in the production of an enormous volume of brine. The diagrams showed the filtrate coming out of the processes, but the other fraction, known as retentate is typically 40-60% of the total volume. As you attempt to reduce the retentate volume (thereby increasing the salt concentration), you non-linearly increase the energy demand on the RO system. So they will be dumping all this brine back into the environment, and there will be consequences. I don't mean to suggest they can't or shouldn't do this.. I understand that this strategy enables millions to flourish in Saudia Arabia. I would like to see some acknowledgement of the donwsies as well as hear their plans to mitigate those impacts (if any).
The brine can be dumped into dug out lagoons. It will slowly sink into the crust.
this process will turn the Red Sea into the Dead Sea
@@VarietyGamerChannel as you add salty water to an infiltration basin you will precipitate out minerals that consolidate and ossify the bottom of the basin, cutting the infiltration rate to almost nothing. The practical consequence is that it takes an impractical area to infiltrate away brackish wastewater, even if one isn't concerned at all with the underlying aquifer quality (which is usually not the case).
evaporated brine maybe could leave valuable resources to harvest, idk...
It's not a river. It's a pipeline.
A river sized water pipeline, yes.
@@VarietyGamerChannel So Nordstream is a river sized gas pipeline? Therefore, it's an underwater gas river 🤦
Desalinating billions of gallons of seawater requires millions of tons of people lastic, filters, pumps, wastewater holding land. Huge amounts of electricity 24x7x365. All in a region of desert which is warming up by the day. Boondoggle defined
i assume they will buy lots of modular reactors from the chinese to power the desal plants, currently much of their oil is used for desal. this would prolong their oil reserves especially with growing population.
What is so impressive about building a "Salt Water Pipeline?"
Do they not already have "Oil and Gas Pipelines?" Is the technology rocket science?
Not mentioned most of the project has already been completed and operational now 🤲. Alhamdulillah
Is there anything nature wise that has benefited from it or is it just industry and some farming?
@@jeffrydemeyer5433 No farming. It is used for city tap water
Very good 👍
So it didn't bring any greenery to the world?@@adwanalshammari6209
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Yes it should work, even though the time scale to get it done might vary. They are producing many round farms at a fast pace and over time, this will increase the humidity and create more rains. This is what happened in Phoenix, AZ in the US. Back in the 50's it was a legit desert. AS more people moved into the region, new lawns, swimming pools and trees were planted. Now, Phoenix is much more humid and more rains. When storms come, more rain is falling and more snow in the mountains surrounding the city, creating more runoff into rivers and newer lakes and ponds. It will depend on if they want to build more artificial lakes and ponds for the new communities with round farms for agriculture. Google shows they have built a vast amount of these round farms so they are using water for this and the more green you make a region the more you change the climate of it. Over a fast area if you plan to green it and grow crops the more natual rain you can create.
I like your sentiment re increasing rainfall, etc, but in reality, lattitude in relation to the equator, weather systems, and geography perhaps has a greater impact on the evapotranspiration scale than what is just generated via the stomata exchange with forests.
I have long thought that trees are an important reinstation into the ecology for the promotion of rain, and yes, they really do under the right circumstances. However, they play a more important role in getting the water into the ground through deep root penetration and slowing the evaporative and ground surface water flow once the rains come.
Therefore, they effectively lift the ground storage capacities that improve ground hydrology through introducing organic matter, evaporative barriers, entomology, flora, and fauna that all kick-start sustainable ecosystems. 😊
@@raystein5418 Well,, how do you get increased evaporation and increased humidity? You de-desert. Basically by creating more greenery, more water source pools, and farming ponds. This is basic weather principle and how climates change over time. But in a smaller urbanized area, say a portion of a country, you can do it almost overnight, especially if that is your goal. This happened to Phoenix, AZ in the US almost overnight. Now it rains much more than even back in the 50's. The heat is more oppressive though with higher humidity levels brought on by the water source. This also is basic terraforming for food production. At the amount of money they are spending, they could almost grow the food inside, hydroponics and vertical farming. If you dig the wells, for ponds, pools and irrigation, the rainfall is less of a worry until you create more humidity from greening.
@@raystein5418 Trees do play an effective role but not early on in the greening process. Once you bring the water, you than either fill up ancient subterranean water tables or you create new ones. Once this is dome over time, you have now the ground table and soil for larger and more deep rooted trees. The difference between trees higher rainfall areas and their climate zones and smaller desert trees. The more amount of ground water available, the bigger the trees can grow. Fruit trees they are planning are perfect at this early stage in the process for Saudi. I'm very impressed by all this they are doing. They aren't just laying agricultural foundation to support these resorts but terraforming it to build a much larger urbanization environment there. I think the projects will be successful there because of this terraforming and creating what might have been there thousands of years ago, and new technologies and innovations are speeding up the process. Just a couple of years ago, these google images showed nothing but desert. Almost no green round farms and waiter sources. Now the vast region is teeming with them.
@gwhite7136 In Australia, where I live, there was a plan called the Bradford plan (1930's, timeframe)
Bradfords plan was to turn the surplus rain that fell in the northeast of Queensland back into the arid side of the range situated on the western side of the range.
The plan has been debated back and forth for nearly 90 years, and the studies have shown that although de-desertification is possible through irrigation systems from the benefit of turning the water inland and cloud production may increase but any rain that may fall simply evaporates before hitting the ground due to the massive heat inversion layer found at that lattitude.
The clouds form too high as there isn't the ceiling to push the clouds down. In the east, the air moisture can be condensed against the eastern ranges and compressed up against a ceiling that is cooled by the temperature moderating factors of the sea.
Effectively, the rain is allowed to condense and fall without the evaporative forces of the heat inversion layer generated in the west.
This is why Saudi are building their massive river scheme inside a pipeline. They have an arid climate with high heat, which would also evaporate any river not covered and obliterate any potential precipitation.
But yes, you have got to start somewhere.
The Saudis are doing it to their credit, and good luck to them on their honourable efforts. Fortunately, they are well resourced to do it on the back of a fossil fuel driven economy, and unlike many other similarly resourced countries that seem to be hell-bent on destroying, in conquest, other countries sovereignty and resources.
@@raystein5418 It's hard to say for sure but this being built so close to the oceans is another plus. In Australia how far was the ocean from where they were trying to build it? Sure, it's arid in Saudi, just like the deserts of AZ were where Phoneix is. If you add moisture by adding vegetation with irrigation, you are going to change the humidity factor. Meaning, it won't be dry but more humid and the ocean helps with this. My guess is that is why they are buidling within a reasoanble distance from the water. Piping water is part of that irrigation. Reminds me of the plans we had back in the 50's to pip fresh meltwater down from Alaska and Canada into the arid regions of CA, AZ and Nevada but they never did it. Since they have been greening more in the SouthWest of the US, rainfall has increased. Death Valley has now formed a massive lake in the middle and this is the driest place on earth. The lake just formed in the last few months. Excessive rain and mountain snow. I'm sure they are trying to get the same effect in Saudi but are adding more greening than they have in California and the regions not far from Death Valley. Just this weekend the Sierras are getting 10 feet from one snow even, on top of about 12 feet. But that in itself is far from death valley.
The USA states like Arizona and California should be investing in desalination projects ❤
They need to couple it with nuclear power
Correct. Small, modern nuclear reactors powering several states scattered all over the country. Chuck the panels and windmills that can't be recycled.
Where is AZ going to get seawater?
@@rxa177 Mexico, Gulf of California
Desalination is insanely expansive, those states absolutely cannot afford this. Only a country with massive oil reserves could afford to see if this kind of thing might work
Finally, it becomes more like the UK. Where their past generations build the canals that carry water into the city and nowadays people who buy boat canal use the rivers. In the past, large boats and horses carried the stock into the city.
Nows days many underground water pipes are either used to bring fresh water or removed sewages out of the city.
Gaddafi’s great manmade river was much better
Agreed, but if he had more foresight, he would have built the river for it to flow inland in the opposite direction, instead of towards the coast
How? Did the dessert turn green? How? Did it bring fresh water? He did his part that could be considered as great. Now the will do their part & each generation will add only Truth is great.
What happened to it?
@@CecileSchonfeldwhen Hillary Clinton and Obama destroyed Lybia it fell into disrepair
@@reidr7288 and Sarkozy
Where does the brine go? Usually they pump it back into the ocean where its very bad for sealife.
It's a shame they don't have access to the less salty Indian ocean. Maybe they should use a strip between oman and yemen
You mean like the monkey pissing in the sea to make the tide come in?
@@joeycadthey’ll find a way those people are smart
@@2967575 No they really aren't....Something like 95% all of their engineers are foreigners from Western Countries.
@@beewee4987 well they are providing jobs for somebody no matter what nationality they are , but lets be fair its more like 60/70 percent
The Great example of forward future thinking, incredible innovation and technological solutions. Like from dreams of the Prince Persian and a miracle of the World. The Dreams come true.
FANTASTIC IS THE ONLY WORD. TRULLY MAGNIFICENT.
The long report, full of how the project is the greatest, and, no doubt, good for Saudi, does not touch the important question of how much energy, that is, burning oil, is involved in greening a desert.
درود بر مردمان عربستان و شاهزاده بن سلمان از ایران 👍👍👍با آرزوی پیشرفت
desalination is not ecology friendly....
what will be be impact on sea life, probably it will kill it
Try a bit of mathematics to know the truth, you are delusional.
Did you just clickbait me? Cuz, what you just described is not a river. It's a giant pipe
Did I miss the comment on when the project is going to be completed? Where is the brine going? Poor video. Looks like something a salesman would put together.🤔😖
Finally!!! A useful project in saoudi arabia!!! Yes!!👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Bravo!!!
It a pipeline. But that doesn't sound so environmental as an underground river😂
This is priceless, about 10 years ago I was saying why dont we carve more rivers across the nation to help provide more water ... everyone thought that was stupid... or at least here
LITERALLY through this process. I have drawings and a time stamp on it LOL
Wow, Alhamdulillah...
Honestly, I really hope this works for them. It will be absolutely amazing to see how they can honestly transform a desert into some type of green environment.
I find it interesting that they didn’t even touch on the main problem with desalination- waste disposal of the brine. They put it back into the ocean and the Red Sea is already twice as salty as normal due to the huge amounts of this waste brine being dumped back into the sea.
This channel is only interested in marketing
not their problem...
They can pump the brine into artificial lagoons. It will slowly sink into the sedimentary layers.
And spoil the earth in the area. There is no fix for that btw.
this process will turn the Red Sea into the Dead Sea
This is great step.
Desert regions should develop water conservation to save the earth.
Wish them all success and the very best!!!
Saudi Arabia and other countries in the Middle East should start to do some REFLORESTATION, planting trees and forming new forests, transforming large areas of degraded land back into bio-diverse ecosystems, by restoring millions of trees and in turn improving the lives for rural farming communities, as well as capturing over a million tons of carbon to benefit the planet as a whole. This can be considered a major accomplishment for any country, particularly one that has a low average rainfall such Saudi Arabia.
You think we're not doing this already?
They have to invest on solar energy for desaliantion energy.
we're dumping tens of billions of dollars on solar panels btw, it's part of our vision 2030 to go all green
Best wishes! ആറബി !
Pardon My Ignorance but you have all the sun you need to Magnify and heat up the salt water pots so they produce a lot of fresh water.
Too slow.
@@cuckoonut1208 I can Magnify the sun with a magnifying glass and set wood on fire. Which is twice the temp of boiling water.
Good for Saudi Arabia for investing in projects that will help its citizen. That's what a good government does. Saudi is doing good thing while Iran waste it's resource in making arms and arming Hamas, Hezbollah , Houthis and many other terrorist groups. Iran could develop an economy to help its people instead of an economy for only RGC and terrorist groups.
lol
Here in the usa We have the exact opposite problem. A lot of land in the southeast is waterlogged and completely undesirable.
Plenty of desalination happening in southern California!
It's a pipeline not a river
Great concept keep going😊😊😊
what are they going to do with the brine?
none of anyone's business .. no one cares co2 emission into our air by industrialist countries across america, europe, asia.. so they don't care too
absolutely fantastic!!!!
An underground pipe is not a river. Thumbs down for misleading title.
Lots of exciting projects going on in the kingdom. Look forward to getting up to date
Prophet muhammad s.a.w . hadith: Toward endtime/sign endtime Jazirah arab will turn green and folow of rivers. Thousand years ago arabia has fertile land.
True ⭐👍
Meanwhile in the USA.... no highspeed rail yet
By 2050 SA will be home to the largest collection of abandoned mega projects.
Lol
Another largest
Very interesting with an artifical river lager than the River Nile. This could create the possibility that Saudi Arabia could be the largest suppler of H2, because you need to Desalinate the water first to create H2. Very good possibility for the future.
inspired by Afghanistan River project !!
? Sure
Could you elaborate? Never heard about it before.
@@CecileSchonfeld Google it
Qushtapa canal
280 km long
600 m2 water in a second. Started by
Islamic Emart of Afghanistan. A year ago it will take two more years.
Cost $1 billion
The open canal Afghanistan wants is not the same as the underground pipeline that Saudi Arabia wants.
new offshore and shore facilties that can converts salt to freshwater cheaper and faster could turn much of this nation green, but what do you do with all that salt.
Put it on French Fries !!! 🙂
The whole middle east must do that. Middle east needs more forests.
This country is addressing the most important problem in this world - that of lack of fresh water!!!
Lack of fresh water is the government's fault, all they need to do is spend some money
In this video he talks about the fact that in Saudi Arabia, it was barely able to be self-sufficient, because of the lack of potable water for consumption by life,so they drilled to the water table,deep in the earth, but that depleted rapidly, so it was decided to build plants where salt water,was turned into fresh water, but it's very expensive but because the land is so baren there was no alternative but with the help of technology they could use the excess water to create water for the creation of food for human consumption as they could use the sale of oil to fund the project but through the evolution of earth what was once excellent land dried up but earth has changed through time.Eventually the project was completed but science also helped the process,never underestimate man's use of brain power as my father explained it to me, the power of thought, which no other specie has which leads to the evolution of mankind, as there are many different idea's, which no one can explain in pure detail, many different theories as mankind is exploring the universe and far off galaxies, called distance moons,like our own solar system which rotate around there own suns,by the power of gravity, it's a unseen power
“ _Turning the Saudi Kingdom green introduces prosperous times in the near future, as Western Asia centralises and becomes a hotspot for trade, commerce, tourism, and migration. If focus on the build is sustained around the clock, there is possibility to see it blossom new terrain and climate patterns in this life time, where policy is certain to transition as the world becomes less Sunny._ ”
Was this written by the Saudi marketing department?
It is very pro project and does little but hype the idea up for ten minutes. Though if it was done by Saudi Arabia I would hope it wouldn't have to keep looping the same 30 second clips as tge dude talked.
A pipeline system does not a river make
Certainly looks like it
@@johnwalker8417Pipe "river" limits evaporation
Once trees are grown and forests form natural water should return... this shouldn't be just about farming, it should also be about environmental recovery and renewal. Imagine that along the 12.000 kilometre stretches? Nothing short of a miracle!
They have started so many mega projects, but have they finished any of them?
They're not supposed to be finished by now mate
Very amazing in the human history,...rich country can make river,...
All powered by burning more oil?
Yes❤ burning oil is good along as the industries need and as long as the nation depends on it
The whole place will be like Riverwalk in San Antonio. What a dream come true! 😍
That's called a pipeline. Not a river. 🤦🏼♂️
Don’t get impressed with these mega projects in Saudi Arabia, they will end up scaling it down or canceling it because of lack of funds. Just look at the Riyadh metro project, it took a decade to do it because of lack of funds. Neom project was scaled down last week and the line project seems that it will be limited just to to 2 km instead of the proposed 170 km because of lack of funds.
Good place to relocate the 2 million Palestinians in Gaza.
This is good to see... but they should also invest in Chinese style reforestation of their deserts.
China is going to do that in saudi
Is China helping to plant the Green Wall in Africa?
@@hackman669 I don't know about that
This is a project very good thinked and desingned in each part. I am in accordance in all, I was thinking in something like this in the same time like thinking nobody will do this, and here this mega project is a reality for my surprise. For so much factors this is mega important and the project speaks in itself, this is very positive for the Planet, now I have more hope inside of my big worry!
I wish success in this great entrepreneurship.💫
Facinating.Well done.So are there plans for villages and factories along the river.
I absolutely love this innovativness!
Good project .... Kingdom for the peoples benefit
Rivers and greenery in a desert, just as the Prophet (peace be upon him) mentioned. Subhanallah!
It is very good to make the desert green
I'd paint the pipe white and lay it on the surface as much as possible to be able to repair inevitable leaks. I'd also make green corridors along the pipeline for for the future generations.
Hi do desalination plants bury there salts or flush them back to the
Ocean ?
Do this across all deserts and we can counter sea level rising
God protect King Salman, Crown Prince MBS may God bless them ❤
Bigger than the Nike? 😂 It’s six meters by four meters.
The brine generated from the desalinisation plants could be processed to extract the minerals from it as there's a lot of useful stuff in brine to be used as raw materials in manufacture.
True, it contains amounts of lithium.
This is the forward thinking that the entire world needs to be considering. Growing food should be the importance of any breathing human.
hoping saudi will build a bigger river they needed very badly for the deserted land n country nearby...and thru inside middle of country near
all city..
1. What energy is used to heat the salt water? Oil? Solar? Is permaculture and tree planting going to be used?
More likely reverse osmosis, relatively energy-efficient.
@@donaldmaxie5264As a country they hardly use any renewables so the power source is likely fossil fuel based. If only they had lots of space, sun and funds they could go solar...
@@backacheacheThey have the empty quarter. A huge area where solar could be used to generate electricity.
@@donaldmaxie5264 Sadly there is a long list of things they *should* spend their money on...
MBS must be very pleased this year. The river is amazing. The desalination is very advanced. I hope to travel there someday. I hope I will be received kindly. My skin is light.
Lingering glances.
Its just a pipeline project not a river.
Absolutely brilliant and bold!
God bless ksa and all best wishes..from egypt ❤❤
8:37 The desalination process requires more energy than it could give out. It doesn't produce energy. It makes sense to couple an energy plant with the desalination plant, but to say it's the desalination plant itself that produces energy is deceptive.
2:16 'that cant be refilled' so like we can bore a hole to pump water up from it, but we cant use it to send water back down? xD
Ground water recharge is what they're doing in California now to restore the aquifer.
Instead of turning saline water into potable water for agriculture purposes, plant fruit trees
I think its great. More countries should follow suit. Also, building floating greenhouse / desalination plants is another option
out of all the things they're doing for vision 2030, this makes the most sense
It's good for the future generations Go ahead.