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I have three theories on who the Black Knight could be: 1. Elma's old friend that saved the White Whale when the Ghosts caught up to them, as mentioned in-game 2. Maybe not Malos specifically, but someone that the Conduit based Malos on. With Elma's appearance changed to resemble Ontos a bit, it may be possible that some researchers on the Conduit had "bonded" with the cores of the Trinity Processor, influencing the forms we see them take in 1 and 2. The Black Knight DOES sound like Dave Menkin here, and this theory also would tie into the "Blades bonding with Drivers" concept of 2 3. It's a J-Body of Lao that the higher-ups had made, possibly to replace Lao after he betrayed humanity. The J-Bodies never got explained further than in Yelv's affinity missions, and that was the prime example of not only cloning but also the memory manipulation that they were doing in secret. They were implanting memories and essentially creating people that never existed before but had full backstories/history; wouldn't surprise me that their J-Body of Lao escaped or something (I also think that Cross is a J-Body too but that's a theory for another day lmao)

Personally, I’d want X to stay its own thing. Trying to fit an alien war, a rebellion, and a world-ending experiment would be stretching credibility too far. As for the radio, while it does explicitly mention Project Exodus, it also names Dmitri Yuriev, who according to Xenosaga, shouldn’t exist for another 3-4000 years. So I took it as an Optimus Prime situation. (I.E. The one from the movies is not the one from the games is not the one from the G1 cartoon.) As for the alien war itself, the possibility of it being a false memory has been brought up, but the Ganglion themselves talk about it the same way. If X is in fact connected, I’m betting that it’s on Mira itself, and not on Earth.

My headcanon was always that the White Whale that carried NLA wasnt the only one because of something Lin says early on about loads of ships being launched from major cities all over Earth. I think that the mainline games come from a ship Launched from London or Manchester, which is why that X is the only one where nobody is British

everything's Canon from a certain point of view.

My only hangup on this is the alien invasion happening at the same time as the Klaus experiment, as it would seem that would take precedence over a local war with Saviorites. But, I've been okay with the retcons they've been making so maybe if they go this route (which seems highly likely given the combined setup in X and Future Redeemed) they might make it more believable than what I'm imagining. I also do believe that any Xenosaga references are just references and not meant to be taken literally because trying to make an entirely separate IP owned by another company canon to Xenoblade is going to cause issues down the road, and I don't think Takahashi wants to ride that rodeo again, lol. At most Xenoblade will adapt Xenosaga elements into its own narrative.

Was that Shulk I saw with long hair wth 😂

0:04 Man I love this game

I'm thinking, what if all of XC1-3 happened in a pocket dimension with slown down time after Klaus swiped out Earth from reality and Mira actually is the "Rebuilt Earth" from after FR ? Is that even possible ? I mean according to the trailer it seems they'll retcon Earth to disappear in a flash of light, like what Klaus literally did. But according to what Lyn states at the end it's possible that a X2 game will make us go back to Earth, thus being the Rebuilt Earth instead. That if they want to connect both blade sagas.

I can really go conspiracy theory with X, there's so much things weird in the game, especially when you consider the narrator as unreliable, that I totally understand how we can think it's all a simulation (theories that I hate usally). I mean I doubt about if Ganglion are real (or really what we think they are).

I don't mind slight retcons if it means that we get the Xeno story Takahashi envisioned, especially if he does it in a smart way. I think somehow the alien races knew humans were in posession of the Conduit and could potentially do something dangerous, as humans tend to do and well... actually pulled it off... Klaus. So the true story is, humanity was fighting and the aliens joined in cause of the Conduit and then Klaus pulled the lever when the White Whale left earth. All the memories of the people of NLA are obviously manipulated and stuff was withheld, so they only knew about the aliens attacking for no appearant reason. And the aliens are so scared of humans since they actually are that reckless to meddle with the universe and decide they have to hunt them down.

Anyone ever noticed that Elma’s outfit in alien form has a lot of similarities to Pneuma’s design? Can you imagine Elma being an aegis too and she’s some sort of time traveler or sent to another dimension by the architect? Crazy theory 😂😂

I think another possibility you might have not explored is Xenoblade X taking place in a long future, and the earth featured not being the same earth as the one from the numbered Xenos. I had a theory that the people from the Numbered Xenos might be the Samaarians from X, we know that : -The Samaarians are the genetic ancestor-species of the humans from X. -They came "from another plane/universe". -They conquered a good part of the universe (colonization from Future Redeemed ?) -The samaarians were technologically very advanced (like in the N° series) and much more than humans in X. - They also genetically designed species to fulfill their purposes with failsafes (kinda remind me of the Terms in Xeno-3) -Some elements may lead to think that the Samaarians were 'superior' to humans in other ways (so maybe with some powers like the characters from the N°-Xenos, which humans in X don't seem to have). For me that's a lot of elements that could also bring an interesting twist to things. Also, we know that sometimes in history, events tend to repeat and humans like to reuse names and symbols, so it could also be the reason behind the 'Exodus' project name in X, and some other elements.

Maybe the reunited World isnt Mira, maybe the light is a spaceship from Mira coming back to Earth

That release date.. I bet switch 2 has split screens for that map.

I don’t want this canon to whatever 2’s universe is. I don’t like 2.

I quite recently watched a playthrough of Xenoblade 2 to refresh my memories about that game, since its been a while I played it; This playthrough managed to pull KOS-MOS from a core crystal and did the KOS-MOS Heart-to-Heart at the top of the World Tree. This conversation is actually quite interesting in terms of "Is KOS-MOS just an easter egg?", because KOS-MOS is not like any other Blade, KOS-MOS has actual memories about how the World Tree was created. But doesnt know why she has those memories. And with Klaus being the one who created core crystals to begin with, KOS-MOS may easily be Klaus' personal creation to get the technological knowledge of the Earth into a shape that will stand the test of time and eventually will allow humanity to recreate Earth as it used to be. Now I never played Xenosaga (remakes when?), so I have no clue how much of a contradiction that origin of KOS-MOS would be to those games, but KOS-MOS' backstory in Xenoblade 2 is certainly more than just a pure easter egg, she is explicitly stated to be different than your average rare blade. Besides X DE will surely have a challenge mode in the Arch Sages dimension just like 1 DE, 2 and 3. The original XC 1 didnt have that. In DE you bypass the first entry to it before reaching Gaur Plain and a tiny bit of extra content happens that pulls attention to the dimensional rift. According to 2 DLC Shulk and Fiora entered that rift and thus, met Rex and his group. Something that started as a pure fan service easter egg, however, with 1 DE this became a potential canon scenario all of a sudden. And Xenoblade 3 Future Redeemed NEVER explained how Shulk and Rex first met each other. So according to FR lore they might very well canonically have first met in the Arch Sage dimension. Now in XC 2 DLC Elma ALSO entered the Arch Sage dimension at one point and met Rex there. If X DE now ALSO gets access to it, this dimension becomes more and more canon and connects all Xenoblade worlds with each other. Now if we look at 2 DLC, Shulk, Fiora and Elma all arent able to enter Alrest, and Rex cant enter their worlds. Everybody can only return to their own worlds. HOWEVER! The Arch Sage can unlock the entrance to Alrest for Shulk, Fiora and Elma. So it IS possible to travel from the Bionis to the Arch Sage Dimension to Alrest, as long as the Nopon Arch Sage gives you permission to do so. Which means that technically its ALSO possible to travel from the Bionis to the Arch Sage Dimension to Mira. Here we go! Tatsu can canonically travel from the Bionis to Mira. And since we dont see that much from the Arch Sage Dimension... even the dimensional rift from the end of Future Connected (FUTURE!!!! - CONNECTED!!!!) might be linked to the Arch Sage Dimension, Telethia enters dimension, Telethia escapes dimension, Telethia ends up on Mira.

18:10 I think this is def preferable, I really hope it doesnt go the way of Star Wars and connects every plot point to the main cast from the original trilogy. It also makes the universe feel that much more expansive when things are happening independent of each other. I think Takahashi and his writing team are smart enough to avoid that and keep each entry's story self-contained while having small universe-lore sprinkled in for the longtime fans.

What I really want for xenoblade X is to tie with the main series to better close what happened with 3 and X, but not to completely merge the stories, just like, yeah this is connected and it's now all closed and put an end to the stories, and then they can part from there to an Xenoblade X2 or Xenoblade 4 or another kind of Xeno, little hints and connections there but I don't want to have this intricate lore for the future, let it all round up with X and be done with it. Also I really would hate if they merge the stories with saga and gears (alas they already did it) still, let's see how this pans out. After all Xenoblade has never disappointed me before

You brought up Kosmos in Xenoblade 2 as a comparison for a huge contradiction, but I'm pretty sure even that can be fenagled to be complicit with both series existing in one continuity. Kosmos in Xenoblade 2 is summoned from a core crystal, while Kosmos in Xenosaga is physically constructed, meaning that the Xenoblade 2 version could just be a copy based on the blueprints of the Xenosaga version. Since core crystals are directly connected to the trinity processor, it could be that the processor cores were able to access the data from other government computers outside the pocket dimension, and that by the time of base Xenoblade 2, Kosmos was far enough in development for the processors to construct a blade form out of. Being directly based on the real Kosmos could also mean that her Xenosaga references in dialogue are actually baked-in or inherited from whatever state Xenosaga Kosmos was in at the time of Xenoblade 2 Kosmos' summoning. I'm personally of the opinion that all sidequests, even DLC, are canon in Xenoblade 2.

BUT! Is the Bust Slider on the american version or only on the Japanese version? Or has it been removed?

Just gonna drop this interview with Takahashi from XCDE. The last sentence at least fits your ideas, IMO. VG247: On this topic, there’s some curious small game-connecting changes in Definitive Edition - like Alvis’ necklace being changed to reference Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Is your intent behind changes like this just a nod and a wink to fans, or are these attempts to more deeply and more obviously connect the universes of the games? Do you want to draw these universes closer together? Takahashi: From the beginning, each entry in the Xenoblade Chronicles series has depicted a single episode within the flow of a larger time and space. So they are, at their roots, closely connected with each other, but we’re flexible with changing the means and ways in which we depict this in each entry.

My mantra since FR is that there were so many retcons and references thrown in in such a short span it isnt smart to just accept one while ignoring the others. Its clear this is a nebulous, vague time where retcons ARE going to happen and we shouldnt write one off just cuz it would require more work than others.

For the ringvaround earth this is small but look at the logo for the ECP (Project Exodus) decal it has a ring on it

We already know how it goes. They will retcon the game without actually changing XDE to compensate(Looking at you, XenobladeDE!). The catch is that this time, most of the lore details actually ARE unreliable narration and doubted in-universe to begin with, rather than considered the objective truth until it suddenly isn't and being later revealed that the """unreliable""" narrator had the correct information the entire time and was just lying to us while appearently having canonically shown the correct version to the character(Looking at you, FR!). It would be really hard to make whatever change they are cooking feel unnatural. 4:19 I still miss when that was the case tbh. I have nothing against 2 and 3(anymore at least, I had a really dumb Xenoblade 2 hater phase specifically because of this set of changes), but it was just kinda cooler to me when it was just our world and the phase transition program Monado in the backstory lore. I am aware that they appearently originally wanted the Zohar from previous Xeno games in here and it was cut because new audience members wouldn't get the reference(Understandable, the only prior Xeno game on a Nintendo plattform was 1+2 on DS and it barely sold at all), but scrapped plans don't really count unless they fit what is already in the final game. For all intends and purposes, neither the Zohar nor the Conduit were in Xenoblade 1 and it is impossible to convincingly insert them without remaking that exposition to a degree. 11:04 If we talk about that kind of thing, I am not exactly big on the X script because I never experienced it first hand yet, but didn't people say that the explanation of "the planet's surface went kaputt" was a localization change and what it actually says in japanese is what we see in the cutscene of it just vanishing in a bright light? This whole thing sounds more and more like the Xenosaga thing where earth was gone, but with the catch that it is theorized that it's not actually destroyed but just in some other state that makes it undetectable. Fitting Xenoblade 3's mini-retcon(It would not surprise me if they already figured out they wanted to connect Saga and X by the time 3 was in production) that the ravaged earth of Xenoblade 2 was in its own pocket dimension rather than chilling out in space still. Everything seems to line up well enough for them to just retcon together. 15:08 Now I'll tell you, I always wanted to know what that was all about because it always seemed to inheritly cause timeline questions and multiversial travel(As in, the original Kos-Mos at the end of Xenosaga 3 somehow landing on Xenoblade earth before the games rather than Xenosaga Lost Jerusalem), but if we assume it is all in the same universe and going to be retconned together anyways, then I have 0 issues believing that Kos-Mos Re: Is a recreation of some sort of original concept that already existed on Earth, rather than the finished version created by Shion thousands of years later. Iirc, Shion and Allen being namedropped in relation to her was only ever outside the game, so it is technically not even binding and can be retconned even easier than anything else. 15:30 Is that even going to be a retcon? Regardless of how this goes, it was always kinda clear that this is what is going on. If anything, it would be a MASSIVE change if they find some sort of other explanation. 18:30 I would genuinely laugh so much if Malos is actually somehow involved. Probably not, but lol.

If does make a retcon, it does help out Lao as it does make him more understandable. The biggest issue with Lao storywise is that while he has a point about the rich abusing and tossing way minorities, its undermined by the fact it was the Ganglion that killed everyone on earth and earth would have exist if wasn't the ganglion. By switching it to Klaus destroying earth it makes it better.

Earth blowing up was just a misunderstanding that everybody made?

X is not part of the timeline... To press a story into another universe where it doesnt belong and doesnt fit just damage both storys

So... Event wise. XBX1 > XBC2TGC > XBC1/2 > XB1FC > XB3FR begining > XBC3 > XBX2 > XBCFR ending >XBC4 ? Edit: Maybe the Conduit's power was resopnsible sending things to Mira. It reach flows out like a wave.

Not a major point in the video, but whenever people talk about the Saviorite Human Rights Bill they assume that it is as the name says but bills usually have hundreds of pages of contents with either a lot of items not pertaining to the bill’s name or item’s whose use wouldn’t reflect the name of the bill. Relation with Demitri Yuriev solidifies that point for me as the guy cannot be trusted if Xenosaga is any indication

Xenoblade Chronicles 4 baby!

Right on basicly everything. Its unreliable narration , as you said false memories and the ending make you question what you can believe. That said you missed some things : Narrator Lin in the intro says earth got destroyed In the Cutscene that plays when Cross visits NLA for the first time with Elma , Narrator Lin already says Earth was swallowed in a shroud of white light. And in the ending she says , everyone else says earth died that day , but she dosnt believe it , and one day she believes humanity can go out there looking for the planet they left behind. In a conversation with Goethia and Luxaar , Goethia says they are in some kind of closed off space and got transported there by a white light. To me this was never a question if the origin point is the same earth , and XC3FR further strenghtens that. But other people just suffer selective memory loss , or go blind if there are any XCX evidences , instead of believing it they just looked for all kinds of excuses to remove it from being connected. I also dont think they will change anything in the intro cutscene , maybe the date july 2054 will get changed tho , to fit it with XC3FR and Real Life Calendar. Because a lot of people even came up with comparing XC3FR dates with XCX date and wanted to dismiss possible connections because those dont fit with Real Life Calendars. Imo comparing game dates with real life ones is insane , but i guess we have these type of people in our community too.

If XCDE didn't bother to retcon the satellite scene, then this won't.

You make a compelling case but there's a HUGE point that I think you ended up glossing over. That being Xenosaga. Xenosaga's lore is pretty simple. There was an experiment involving the Zohar that caused the Earth to disappear and so humanity took the Zohar and escaped. Sounds similar enough to Xenoblade, right? Well, here's the issue. Xenosaga's experiment was the product of a scientist at Vector named Verum and was a very different experiment from Klaus, even if Klaus also fucked around with the Zohar. The ending of Future Redeemed also seems to allude more to a Xenosaga connection as well, especially as that star could be KOS MOS crashing towards the planet. While you did manage to link X, we arguably still gotta square the circle that is Xenosaga. That said, I do have another point that would help connect X. Lao talks ab how only the rich and chosen could be saved and his family was sacrificed. Some have theorized that this could actually connect to the Saviorite Rebels and might explain why the Saviorites rebelled. The Saviorites/Salvatores also relate to Dmitri Yuriev in Xenosaga so we need to square that circle too. Also, the White Whale can be explained by time dilation. A ship like the White Whale going at the speed of light may have experienced 2 years but traversed 4-5 light years, putting it squarely in the Alpha Centauri system. Basic general relativity. That said, Luxaar heavily implies that Mira exists in a separate dimension. If Xenosaga lore is anything to go by, it might be a pocket dimension in the Imaginary Numbers Domain (similar to Xenoblade 1's world). Xenosaga has many instances where pocket dimensions are created that our heroes are sucked into, mainly memory worlds that simulate an experience almost like travelling back in time. Since Mira was the Samaaran homeworld, it is possible that the Mira we experience in the game, the thing wrong with the planet, is that it is a version of Mira from the past that they transported to. It is also possible, White Whale, being a reference to the Eldrige in Xenogears, was carrying the Zohar on it. If the Ghosts are Gnosis, they went after the White Whale bc they are attracted to the Zohar like moths to a flame. The Zohar could explain how they ended up transported to Mira but, of course, the Zohar is with Klaus at this time, so does Klaus have an emulator or does the White Whale have an emulator? Then again, in Xenosaga lore, the Immigrant Fleet were the ones who took the Zohar so maybe Klaus and the White Whale are the ones with emulators while the Immigrant Fleet has the real Zohar? A lot of circles we gotta square lol. Anyway, sorry for the big ass wall of text. I just had a bunch of comments I wanted to give lol.

I didn't knew about Elma saying project Exodus pretty much being the same thing the radio told us in FR I always thought it's about fleeing earth from the attack. That is actually pretty huge and I didnt saw anyone talk about that besides you!

Are we sure that the earth from XC1 was only composed of water and two titans ? In XCX we cannot actually visit the whole planet, but only a part of it. What if on the other side of the planet there was the two titans of XC1 ? That would mean the white whale found the XC1's earth because it was sucked and lost into the micro dimension created by Claus experience. Also, maybe the events of XCX happened before the rising of the two titans.

People accept the radio, which is basically a retcon or at very least an addition. But don’t want to accept a potential retcon / addition. Although personally I understand because I was kinda on that boat too because I PERSONALLY was just worried it wouldn’t work and may come across shoehorned. Make it happen and let people see it and it will probably be more acceptable. Let people see for themselves how it is done. And if it fails then they can make the judgement call. I just want to give it a chance.

X is better if Earth not blow ❤

i might just be getting to technical about the meaning of certain words but i dont think there will be any "retcons" i think if its connected then the story was always meant to connect that way and of course if it isnt connected then it doesnt matter anyway

I got the feeling that the black knight is somehow Malos...

Retcon 4: Tatsu removed

Not a huge fan of changing the entire series crux. I think the better idea is to just make X take place in a new universe. The ganglion state that the Samaarians arrived at the beginning of the universe from another plane. It's pretty easy to say that the Earth in X is just another Earth that was originally colonized by the Samaarians and named after their planet of origin. This way X can exist alongside Xenosaga since there are no Aliens in Xenosaga. Plus it just makes way more sense and is way cleaner than the proposition here. No retcons, nothing. The samariaans would be the original inhabitants of Alrest, so they would have core crystal tech, meaning they could proliferate humans easily. They also would have billions of yesrs to advance before being pulled back into the original Xenoblade universe due to the conduit disappearing. It would also explain the Lifehold iconography resemebling the Zohar/Conduit, since it would likely be recognized as an important historical item for the Samaarians. Cmon, you know this is cleaner.

lets see if this video ages like fine wine

The order is simple. Just play it in release order. That is the intended order they had in mind while playing the game. You can make the case for 2 before 1 because it pretty much has the same end game twist but really its best to keep it simple and just play release order. Especially with xenoblade 3. I hate it when people start with xenoblade 3 I literally cannot think of a single reason to do that.

I actually started playing Xenoblade 1 on Wii and played Xenoblade Chronicles X on Wii U at once, then when Xenoblade 1 released on the 3DS i restarted it on 3DS and finished it there while finishing Xenoblade Chronicles X on Wii U. The 3DS version have one thing going for it and that is the 3D effect. So if that is your thing it could be an option but the quest tracking on Switch is pretty nice but it shows it's age a bit at times but can be mitigated with the right gear equiped.

the first time I saw a gigantic worm jump burrow out of the ground in this game, it blew my goddamn mind

I figure they have to be thinking about trying to make a multiplayer mode actually work ala Hunters. As for the story, I think it would be best to simply consider Prime to be its own thing, like an alternate timeline kindov. Sakamoto tried to call it non-canon back when Other M was showing us Samus crying in front of Ridley. It rubbed me the wrong way at first, but Prime might be better as its own universe. Mainly because I don't believe Other M Samus is the same woman as Prime Samus, I just don't buy that they're the same characters.

story comprehension, always release order. fun game to have? get one that interests you the most

Laos Mobius 4:49

The Ghost is actually a malfunction origin. Xenoblade 4 will be the xenoblade 3 universe fight samaar federation with the samarr trying to reclaim earth. Then origin gets activated as a last line of defenses malfunctions and destroys and sucks up the smmar federation. While Elma we don't know her true identity yet. But she could a blade or last survivor from the earth. However we could origin aka the ghost sucking up mutiple civilizations and planets get sucked into it. Also Mira is planets and becomes a fusion of multiple planets like the maconis arm on oblivia and cladros being the wrothian homeworld but got in. And the only reason why blade is alive when the should be day because lifehold data base got destroyed is because origin is whats keeping them alive. so we could see millions of other species and civilizations earth being fused with sucked into origin. And Elma might have to restored. Also the guy that appeareds at the end of Xenoblade X in front of lao is and end trailer of Xenoblade Chronicles X Definitive edition is lao mobius of his privious life and motivation he didn't get brought back by the lifehold when data for there bodys was destroyed but by origin itself. The first line Mobius Lao says to Lao. Fancy Seeing You Hear. And Lao may trying or team up with his Mobius or escape the endless cycle of origin and keep living over and over. There are so many twist civilizations and routes they could go with it. Thats just my theor for now. But we'll just have to wait and see.

The end of future redeemed clearly shows us in grove street. xenosaga is definitely the sequel to San Andreas.