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Hi Kevin, Unfortunately CM5 doesn't work with Illustrator 2025 yet. You would need to downgrade your version to 2024. follow this link to see how - helpx.adobe.com/download-install/using/install-previous-version.html Looking at their site CM was updated on 10/30/24 so I would try Ver28. It's tough for Graphtec to keep-up with Adobe constantly putting out updates. Another this you should consider is to turn off automatic updates so once you find an older version that works it will not update automatically on you. I should probably put out a video on this as I have been asked this quite a bit lately. Let me know if you were successful.

Hi, If you want to produce stickers and smaller items there are plenty of printers that can print on vinyl. You would probably be limited to 11x17 inches and would need a separate cutter for die cutting. Mutoh did just release their C641SR. It’s a 24” print and cut all in one. It is $6995 and Roland has their BN20 and BN2 print cut. The BN20 can be purchased for $2500. That’s about the lowest you could find a print/cut. You might want to consider leasing for a low monthly payment.

@@graphicinsights466 I was thinking about something that would allow me to print 13x19 or 18x24 do you know of anything that is worth looking at?

Sorry I missed this comment. It sounds like the current process with screen flood is a cost effective and fast. Why are you looking to switch? I don't know of anything in the $30k range that will compete with what you're doing now. Another option is to look at CET or Vanguard as they both offer printers that are field upgradeable and you can upgrade 2-8 heads just for white to keep the speed up , but will pay $80-150k.

Thanks for reaching out. They are both great printers but if I had to choose one and speed wasn't a factor, it would be the Roland. The Roland is a 5'x8' bed compared to the 4'x8' bed, 9" print height compared to the 2" Mimaki print height. The Roland offers Red and Orange ink options for a much wider color gamut and comes with a 2 year warranty. Where the Mimaki really excels is its speed. If you need to produce more than 300 sq' per hour, then the Mimaki would be a better fit.

@@graphicinsights466 thanks for your reply . One more question ? Your thoughts about the jfx200 1213 ex that mimaki just released ? It is the same technology as the 2513 ex model but of course , medium size ?

If I'm understanding correctly, in order for the cutter to scan each instance you will need to send over a separate file each time. If that didn't answer your question, please reach out to me at mike@graphic-insights.com

Depends on what you want to produce: If you're looking for 30" print/cut all in one in Eco-SOL then check out the Mimaki CJV200-75 series. If 30" UV print/cut then the Roland MG-300 30" UV printer is the smallest least expensive and if looking for a flatbed you could look at the Roland BD8 UV flatbed printer for objects as it has no cutting capabilities

Latex printers in general consume more electricity than other printer types like eco-sol and UV because Latex printers require a lot of heat and fans to cure the resin ink and get all of the water out for a dry print.

Thanks for the tip. I will add the cm.

I think so especially if you’re printing on plastics, glass, acrylics etc. plus they’re toy safety compliant.

@@graphicinsights466 so v bond can do everything that eco-uv ver 2 can but more . at half the price .or am i missing somthing

@@graphicinsights466 thnaks they are converting my lef2-300 with vbond ink this week

Eco-sol or latex would be the best ink for vinyl pvc and will hold up well in outdoor applications.

Thanks for the feedback! Choosing between those two ink types in that environment I would go with latex but I cannot recommend HP. Epson and Roland would be great but you should stay away from printers with thermal print heads. There isn’t anything wrong with UV, but I think latex would hold up better/longer. Good luck with your business!! Let me know if you have any other questions.

@@graphicinsights466 Thank you so much for your feedback! I always take your advice to heart. I was just about to pull the trigger on the HP 800w, but after reading your comment, I stopped completely. Is there a particular reason you’d suggest avoiding HP?

I won't ever recommend HP Printers because of the type of heads they use in all of their printers. Thermal printheads are inexpensive which appeals to most when replacing them. The problem comes with them degrading so quickly (about every 2 cartridges per head). Because you use ink colors at different rates the printheads are always at varying stages of wear. That said, you will not only have a heck of a time repeating color ie; A wrap gets in an accident and you need to reprint a panel or you print a fleet of vehicles and when the they are parked next to one another the color will be noticeably off. Depending on your print run I have seen colors off during long print runs for walls or trailers with color being off panel to panel. If you want to go latex there are better options. Look at the Epson R5070. It has a single printed that's user replaceable (not meant to be replaced on a regular basis) but still gives you the option. Color and quality are exceptional.

Thanks for watching! It's not an easy decision. All of the printers mentioned in the video will do what you're looking to accomplish and more. You should decide on a budget first and then look at what you want to be able to do in the future and make sure you can do what you need it to do now. It's a big investment so make sure you can grow into it while making your money back as quickly as possible.

What type of machine will be available to do do this

I would uninstall them and make sure that Illustrator is closed when installing them. You can reach out to me at mike@graphic-insights.com

Thanks for the comments. I'm not sure about the longevity, but the hand felt softer than traditional DTF in my opinion. Time will tell on durability, but as soon as I have more information, I will post it to the channel.

Not 54” that I know of but there are some 20 and 24” ones I will be doing videos on shortly.

Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and comment, I do appreciate the feedback. You are correct in saying this list is more for an established business that has been creating graphics and is looking to enter into UV flatbeds market to increase sales or grow their business to the next level. Please stick around as I have a video coming out shortly that does discuss smaller UV entry level flatbed printers and a couple of alternatives. Working on the script now.

I think both are capable of building quality printers at comparable prices. It ultimately comes down to support. You can build the best printer on the market, but it’s worthless if you can’t get it up and running correctly. Which printers were you comparing?

Thanks!!

I have been going for over 15 years and this one ranked up there with one of the biggest.

Thanks!!

They will be sending you your trophy. Hopefully you get many more as you grow up. 😂

@@AdventuresOutdoors Got it already, looks shiny! Hope to get it too in the next video. Do not get frustrated and keep trying!

Thanks for the feedback and for watching. Glad I could help.

There are less expensive small format printers but when it comes to wide format (over 24"+) that's where they tend to start. I will say Mimaki just announced a $12k 54" printer. Video coming soon.

The feel was the lightest I have ever felt for DTF

@@graphicinsights466 really? Man, I’ll have to read up more on it. Thanks for sharing.

The manufacturer is kinglet and the price is $26k for the printer, dryer and takeup. I will be posting the video soon

If you’re in Hawaii it looks like One Shot Supplies would have sheets of foam coro and acrylic. If you’re in the lower 48 there’s plenty of places like Laird plastics, Grimco and Glantz. As for the CNC Mimaki has a good one. I would also look at Colex. If you don’t plan on cutting ACM (Aluminum Composite Material) then you could also look at the Summa F Series. If you have a bigger budget for a cutter there is always a Zund.

@@graphicinsights466 man, you are dope thanks for this info. i would look into this. ALOHA

@@graphicinsights466 thanks for sharing man. ALOHA TO YOU

That printer would work for banners and stickers. Ink and media cost will be higher than an eco-sol or uv option but it would certainly work. Sorry, I don’t know enough about the printer to recommend it. I would recommend the pigment over the dye inks for what you want to do with it as they have some short turn outdoor uv protection.

@@graphicinsights466 you have so much knowledge, I appreciate so much that you take the time to respond.

I agree. The issue is the thermal print heads. Most companies see the replacement of their own print heads as a huge money saver. The fact is that the heads degrade so quickly and unevenly you will never be able to match color even when you print an entire roll with the same heads and if you replace one of those heads while printing that roll, it will be different from the previous panel.

@@graphicinsights466 - It not in the Green-Sales-Pitch or the fine print.

You are right! I own the HP L365 and I’m having trouble to match a color on vehicle wraps. If you print a 8 feet portion the end of the print doesn’t match the beginning of your print. Bad investment

The Roland CO-640 does but you would have to reach out to Onyx to see if that also covers the new COi printers. My guess would be yes but best to ask Onyx.

Do you need white or clear and is there specific colors that you need to print or match? What’s your budget? Yes, I offer consulting if you want I to reach out via my email mike@graphic-insights.com we can discuss further.

You can use a larger UV Printer or you can use a roll to roll printer to print to adhesive vinyl and stick it to the steel and aluminum surfaces. Check out the video I recently put up about the best entry level u. Flatbed printer or save. Bunch of money and buy a roll to roll printer from Mimaki or Roland.

Thanks! I hope it goes well with the printer purchase

Unfortunately there are no printers with that size bed in that price range. There are smaller ones like the Roland BD-8 that would be in that Tori e range or you might be able to fine a used one with an 18x24 bed.

​​@@graphicinsights466 thank you for the suggestions. I will check for them, in ebay. Also in Europe is a bit difficult to find. I am able to find some uv printers of 60cm x 90 cm with Epson printer heads and in my budget. They are from Ali express, but my use case doesn't demand heavy usage and errors and lower resolution prints are fine too. I know it's has high risk of failure, etc. But I have to risk it since. I am a start up😕. Your experienced opinion would be of great help for me.

Thanks for the feedback! Glad you liked it.

Definitely!