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They should be sitting somewhere inside both outer main string grommets. I have mine placed at the bottom between B13 and B14, at the top between and also 1-2 holes inside the outmoust top shared grommet. I don't think that moving them around by 1-2 holes makes a huge difference, as long as you keep them insided the outmost main string holes imo.

@@saitenkiller Thanks for confirming! Just another quick one (sorry😅!). Do you normally string square or add lbs to the crosses? Done a few string jobs where I’ve felt that the top of the frame has come out slightly egg shaped

@@mathiaskupiec629 This is a thing every stringer need to find out for themselves. Some machine setups need square tension to keep the head shape unchanged, other do +10% on the crosses to achieve the best results. I’m using square tensions since that gives me the best and most consistent results in terms of head shapes.

It's mostly aesthetics. Although you avoid the risk of the grommets splitting when they get stretched open by the tensioned strings.

This can have a lot of reasons, very hard to tell without any pictures or (even better) a video. First, what kind of tensioning is your machine using (drop weight, electronic, crank)? Is it calibrated?

Li Ning E 8800 electronic constant pull tensioner … I dint get you what you are asking about calibrated

@@focuslocus4010 It means you basically check if it’s really pulling with the set value or if there is any deviation. I don’t think this will be the issue with a high level machine as a E8800. How many rackets have you strung on it without issue before those breakages happened?

First racquet when I tried It was broken , and second one went good , while doing third racquet mains the racquet shape is getting out while string is pulling and I wanted to do little loose of mounting but bymistakly I did tight and it got compressed and broke … idk what exactly I’m doing wrong it’s mounting or wrong tension setting in machine

@@focuslocus4010 I honestly have no idea how to help you there. Just follow the video in terms of the right force how to mount the racket. And maybe a simple thought - check if your machine is set to kg or lbs.

Glad it is of some use and congrats on your purchase. Just note that this is a very early version of the machine so the side supports will be a bit different on yours.

@@saitenkiller I did notice as I watched your past videos. The 12/6 mounts also have revised load spreaders. Thanks for making the videos!

So you mean a video that shows how the machine is assembled? Nope, I don’t have that as a video. But tbh it’s pretty straight forward and it’s obvious how the parts should fit together.

@saitenkiller sorry I meant how to mount a racket on the deluxe. The instructions said to keep the towers unlocked. Do the 12 and 6 o'clock supports first then the side supports next. Then lock the towers. I'm wondering why that's the case and not confident if my side supports are connecting with the racket too close to the center.

@@95thRiflesOCI Here’s a video I did a while back to show my racket mounting process: ruclips.net/video/1LEFcu3nwrE/видео.htmlsi=FvWDAj3rRefZ5xGU Never, ever leave the main tower unlocked! The racket should be held firmly in all six support points.

Thanks this was the video I remmeber seeing. So when I first was trying to mount one of the side supports wouldn't make contact with the racket. It was atleast 1cm away with the other ones all firm. The only way I got it to all touch was when I turned one of the towers to the right then it all touched. But from your comment did you meant to move my towers in the correct spot then lock and then move the supports?

You don't need an adapter, just two holes drilled in the right places and you can mount it directly.

Ah as simple as that:D do fou find any instability issues with SE version and the motor that reaches over the base plate, with the wise or the new one?@@saitenkiller

@@simjoun3299 ​​⁠No, not at all. It all feels very sturdy. The only downside is the slightly weird look imo.

@@saitenkiller ok nice, thx for the fast response. The look wouldn’t be a problem for me. I’m still thinking if I should by Stringmaster either as a drop weight or with a motor. Did you also test it with the drop weight or only with the motor?

No, definitely not.

It’s a very good alternative. It pulls faster and smoother. But it’s more expensive and not as easy to mount on existing machines as the WISE.

@@saitenkiller So you think it´s definitely better than the wise tensionhead in comparison ? with the new motor, you get the glide to activate which is a nice to have I think but the main question is, do you really need it. newer motor is like 200€ + I´m now looking for a new machine and I think this one in the LE version is the best you can get now in terms of function/price/quality.

@@tommyshoe-star1426 Looking at performance only, yes, it is better than the WISE. But still, the WISE does deliver equally consistent results and has proven to be incredibly robust and reliable long term. The glide-to-activate gripper imo is a very nice feature and I wouldn't want to miss it anymore. If you count that in, bot tension heads are almost equal in price. Personally, if I was going to decide for a StringMaster LE, I'd go with the new tension head. But again, the WISE still is a dead solid piece of gear and won't be a clearly wrong choice too.

Nah, there is no way it will make a real difference. Don't worry.

It's less then 10 m. I think I can get away with around 9 m.

There are indeed different approaches here. The most important thing is that the frame shape remains unchanged when it's strung. And it mostly depends on the machine and setup, what main/cross ratio is optimal. Personally, I achieve the best results with main=cross, Yonex generally recommends to go +10% on the crosses. In the end there is no clear right or wrong - just go with the ratio that delivers the best and most consistent results for you. Hope this helps. :)

@@saitenkiller Thanks for the quick reply. At the moment for myself I have Yonex Ezone (Skyblue version 2022). Machine probaby gonna be tennisman Stringmaster 4000 Electronis (Tennishead 2086)

@@teddaamen Just do some trial & error for yourself. Start with main=cross and see if the frame comes out more round that it is unstrung. If so, then go with +1 lb on the crosses. And so forth... If you mount the racket snug enough, there is a good chance you will get a good result with main=cross right away.

@@saitenkiller THANKS!!!

Hi Jan, there are a number of valid points you've raised here. The Pro 50 looks like a dead solid machine and should be slightly lighter than the Deluxe. So if you have to move the machine back and forth a lot, this definitely will be an issue with the Deluxe since it weighs a ton. Dimensions should roughly be the same for both. I also wouldnt' go for replacing the clamp bases of the Pro 50 right away, but first of all start with the stock ones and see how good they are. Good manual bases can do the job just as fine, you only have to get used to it. The new iTennis machines will not be available for another couple of months. They are still in prototype phase only so it's just not possible to make any kind of comparison here. Another thought: Have you looked at the StringMaster 3700? If size and weight really do matter, then going for a badminton-only machine could be an interesting option.

@@saitenkiller Thanks for the torough answer. I tried raising my question on BC, but my account is awaiting confirmation. I treid resending the confirmation mail, but nothing happened (7days ago now). Good to hear that you advise on using the pro 50 with the provided clamps first, makes complete sense looking at it now since it will be the first time for me and workflow will be certainly in development. I looked at the stringmaster 3700 and i'm very interested in it, but it's not in stock... and Dirk from Tennisman seems to be busy since he didn't reply yet. But if the 3700 would be available, i would've already bought it. :)

@@jansnoeck8157 There seems to be an issue with the sign-up process on BadmintonCentral recently, hope the mods will resolve this quickly. That would be the perfect place to discuss this more in detail. Dirk is always very busy - don't be shy to hit him with repeated reminders. I'm suprised that there hasn't been any new stock arriving for the 3700.

@@saitenkiller Yeah, i hope so too, because i want to take part in the discussions since there is so much to learn from guys like you. I will send Dirk a reminder and ask for the 3700. because that would be the ideal machine for me i think. (altough it could be a little cramped in space underneath te racket head, so still a bit doubtful)

@@jansnoeck8157 Every good thing comes with its downsides. But I think the smaller turntable is just a matter of getting used to. The smaller footprint and less weight imo are more important factors to consider. Hope we can talk soon on BadmintonCentral then. :)

The 4000 has standard "lever style" clamp bases. The Deluxes have those sweet press-down ones. Apart from that, they appear to be identical.

@@saitenkiller thank you for the reply. I ordered the Deluxe se one yesterday.

@@dngtamu8420 Nice! Hope you will receive it quickly and have a lot of fun with it. I'm still 100% happy with mine - so far, zero flaws detected. ☺

Not necessarily a bad sign, but not a good one either. If they are heavily curved then that is a sign of the racket moving around on the stringing machine during the job. And in any case, it would only take seconds to straighten the strings afterwards to make it look nice. Your stringer apparently doesn't care if his work appears nicely to the customer.

Hi Alex! 1 - In Germany, you have a standard 1 year warranty but tbh I have no idea how it works when it's shipped to other countries. Best to write an e-mail to Tennisman and ask them directly 2 - I've been using the WISE since 2016 and so far without any issues whatsoever. The WISE generally is known to be pretty robust, there are forum members on BadmintonCentral who have used it for many hundreds of jobs and even to string on big tournaments like the All Englands. So I think it's safe to say that this is a solid piece of equipment. :) 3 - afaik they now come stock with the 5-teeth clamps. 4 - ...which is the better choice anyways imo - they are slim, very sturdy and still gentle on the string. Just great clamps, simple as that. Hope this helps a bit. :)

@@saitenkiller thanks so much for the detailed reply. Really appreciate it. I originally aimed for Penta 3600, changed my mind after learning some of the issues with 3600 from some BC members. Then one thread lead to another thread, i went from 3600 to Superstringer S90/T70 now to Stringmaster Deluxe. It's gonna do some major damage to my wallet, ouchie. Hope I don't ever have to upgrade again. Will do. I will contact Tennisman and ask bunch of questions. I heard Dirk is the man to speak to? Btw, from your experience, do you know if these machines ever go on big sale (annual event like Black Friday, Christmas, etc.)?

@@AYYY118 I’m afraid that’s a clear no to sales opportunities. Never seen anything like that at least. And looking at how fast each shipment of the Stringmasters is sold out, I don’t think that they will change that. 😅 And yes, Dirk is the owner of Tennisman and the right guy to talk to.

@@saitenkillerHi, does Dirk usually respond to emails quickly? I sent couple emails to info@tennisman.de but didn't get any response. Thanks.

@@AYYY118 totally depends on how much he has on his plate atm. The whole shop is a one man show, so resources are very limited. If you don’t get an answer in a couple of days then don’t be scared to send a reminder.

Tbh, I think that crossovers are the least important point. I fully agree that it gets more difficult to completely avoid them when using a 2-piece pattern. However it is easily possible to try to reduce them best possible just by looking at how the strings are running on the outside and adjust the routing of the next string accordingly. I have seen absolutely flawless 2-piece jobs and managed to do them myself, but it takes more effort compared to a 1-piece Haribito.

@@saitenkiller yeah, i have a same problem with Yonex stringing method. Mostly always have a crossover at b11-b12 on the side opposite to the starting knot... That always appears cause i never can predict how the crossstring should go thrue the shared b12 grommet: upwards or downwards...

Thanks for you comment, I'm glad the video is of some use to you. You'll see that changing grommets is not difficult at all once you got the basic hang of it. Good luck! :)

Machine is a StringMaster Deluxe and yeah, I'm very happy with it.

See, that is the whole point I was trying to make. You need to change your stringing process and actually put in some research and effort to learn the bells and whistles of stringing badminton rackets. There are simple tricks how to deal with shared grommets for example (check out ruclips.net/video/adD08zJTW1Q/видео.html or ruclips.net/video/Fb-_7i_efII/видео.html)). Experienced stringers can finish a whole racket cleanly in 15-20 minutes. Tennis rackets need other special treatments, but at least the strings and frames are much more robust. If you're breaking badminton strings on a regular basis, then you are making some serious mistakes (clamps too tight? poked with an awl in a shared hole?). It happens to me maybe one out of 100 jobs that the string just snaps during the job. I'm uisng strings down to a 0.58 gauge. And frankly, if you still hand out a racket (and charge money for it) with 6-knots because you killed the string on the machine, then no, that is not okay. At all. Because it will play like sh*t. If you have so much trouble with badminton rackets, then just plainly refuse them. I know some tennis stringers who do just that and instead recommend their clients other stringers who have specialized in badminton (like myself). Nothing wrong with that.

@@saitenkiller If it were up to me I would cut the strings off and give them back the racquet and tell them to find someone else. I am in the USA and we have 99.99% tennis racquets. Some racquetball, and just one badminton. But it is not up to me. I never stick awls in grommets even with tennis. The racquet I did I only saw on Amazon and you can get 2 for 29 dollars unstrung. So in my boss's eye it was not the same as stringing a 200 dollar tennis racquet.

I really like the workflow and the clean looks on the outside of the racket. There is extremely little string running round the outside between the holes. And besides, it's always fun to try out something new. :)

I see. What about the feeling of use? Also, how is the deformation of the racket frame?

@@tuntunll6 Both have pretty much nothing to do with the pattern. Shape depends mostly on the correct mounting and the right tension ratio main/cross strings. The myth that different patterns feel differently is just that. A myth. If you take the same stringer, same machine, same tension ratio, there is no way that anyone can really tell a difference in feel between different patters. Don’t let your brain fool you.

Great to hear you figure it out yourself. That’s the best way to learn and improve. Have a great 2022 as well!

In the most recent version of the machine that is currently shipped, it comes with the standard 5-tooth clamps and main supports for both badminton and tennis. Also note that the design of the side supports has changed from the version you see in the video to fit both badminton and tennis.

@@saitenkiller thank you. the standard 5-tooth is the same clamp in the video? i just want to make sure before placing order. this machine looks very robust. do i need to order additional tools for badminton?

@@ariesgarcera2290 Yes, the 5 tooth clamps are still the same as in the video. They have only given them a bit of red on the lever instead of black, but that's it. The machine comes with all the tools and features needed to string badminton rackets.

@@saitenkiller thank you!

@@saitenkiller I ordered the machine from the link above, last Dec 14, I received an email that they will ship it last 16 Dec, and will send me tracking link, but until now I did not receive tracking link and they stop responding to my email after my payment confirmation 🙁

That should be the easiest thing. The holes of the shared grommets are bigger, so you'll notice the bigger ones once you try to put in a single grommet. It will sit very loosely.

@@saitenkiller Thank you for the reply. The holes all looked the same to me but you are right that the shared holes will be bigger. Thanks again.

Hi! I’m using this knot: ruclips.net/video/ldEGDRycQ40/видео.html Easy to do and holds really well both as tie-off and starter knot.

@@saitenkiller thank you very much i am afraid to use thaïs knot as starting one for the horizontal strings i use à bulky knott that block the grommet and can not to incide it but it is bulky and not beautiful it seem like a bad job !!

@@raamine5898 just try using the knot from the tutorial. You'll see that it's not really big or ugly looking and it still doesn't sink inside the grommet too much. At least as long as you stay below 30 lbs. tension.

Hi! Es passiert mir hin und wieder mal, dass bei dünnen und/oder glatten Saiten (Gosen GT5 z.B) der Gripper am Ende nicht richtig "zubeißt". Ist aber relativ einfach zu lösen, in dem man bei den verdächtigen Saiten einfach den Gripper mit dem Finger etwas zudrückt, während der Motor anzieht - und wie gesagt, das passiert vielleicht bei einem von 20 Pulls. Bei der No.1 ist das eigentlich gar kein Problem bei mir. Bist du dir sicher, dass sich der Gripper vollständig schließen lässt? Es diese Madenschraube, von der du auch schreibst. Bist du ganz sicher, dass die maximal nach drinnen geschraubt ist? Ich hab sie bei mir komplett entfernt, da sie sich mit der Zeit immer wieder etwas bewegt hat.

Entfernt habe ich die auch und es gab keinen Unterschied, hab jz auch inzwischen mit dem Tennisman geredet und er meinte dass der Gripper in der engsten Einstellung ohne Lücke schließen sollte, was bei mir leider nicht der fall ist…

@@tomiho.6999 Das ist wirklich seltsam. Bei mir schließt er zwar auch nicht komplett bündig, aber der Restspalt ist wirklich minimal. Hast du auch mal testweise diesen Pin an der einen Gripperplatte entfernt?

@@saitenkiller ne das hab ich tatsächlich noch nicht, wäre auf jeden fall einen Versuch wert. Hast du etwa ?

@@tomiho.6999 Ich selbst nicht, aber es gibt den ein oder anderen im BadmintonCentral, der das gemacht hat. Lief wohl völlig problemlos. Macht vielleicht Sinn, dass Du dort vielleicht mal ein paar Fotos postest - da sitzen eine Menge langjähriger WISE User. Hier gab's ein ganz ähnliches Problem: www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/index.php?threads/wise-2086-problem.184050/

I'd always prefer a slow but careful stringer to a "quick and sloppy" one.

Hm… can you point out which point in the video you are referring to? In general, I also do the first option that you’ve decribed. More straight forward process and I never had any issues with the starting knot.

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That doesn’t sound good at all - that dude pretty much checks all the don’t-do-it boxes. And there is truly no other stringer available in your area? Have you asked your club mates and friends if they know someone else? And serious question: Have you thought about becoming a stringer yourself? With such a bad competition around, this could become a decent side business. 🤓

@@saitenkiller I guess I could look for another stringer, but how will I know if he is good enough without taking a risk. I don't think he'll appreciate me interviewing him before handing over my racket. People here get offended quickly. They'll simply answer ‘I've been doing this for a long time, I think I know what I'm doing...'. And a stringer myself? 😂 Well I have thought about stringing my own racket if a stringer allows me to use his machine, but that's pretty much it. There's no way I can afford a good stringing machine. The guy I mentioned earlier uses the spring loaded manual machine. So, I guess I have to go on a stringer hunt.

@@i_am_murshi It's a difficult situation, no doubt. I guess you have to take a bit of a risk and try out some stringers. If possible, watch them for a little bit. And don't be too fixed on the type of machine that a stringer is using. It's perfectly possible to deliver really good jobs with simple looking manual machines - and they are perfectly fine for anybody who wants to start stringing if you know what to look for. Good luck!

The age of the machine doesn't really matter, but bad technique does - I would rather go to a good stringer with a bad machine than the other way around. Side-to-side mains is a complete dealbreaker, IMO, and this is before the lack of load spreaders and the single clamp. I would avoid.