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It's good. Should've died with 1.0 altogether. People have fond memories of the old WoT that was atmospheric with it's gritty graphics and somewhat fair with economy. And unlocking/grinding things somewhat felt rewarding. Now it's just psychological games. FOMO, gambling. They try one psychological trick on Warships - if it works - they install it on the main milk cow. There's zero creative ingenuity, most new things in the game are copied over from mods, because what the devs make themselves (special event game modes) do not stick, cuz they're mostly sh**. A lot of gamers nowadays have not experienced what joy gaming was prior 2009. Nobody cared about steep learning curves, overcomplicated mechanics or w/e. That is not the problem. We endured and played, because games were made to be fun, not made to be milked.

I am an unintentional seal clubber, kind of, and hear is why. I started playing the game about a decade ago who is a free to play player who only spent money on the game when I started playing to buy garage slots. I think I started playing the game at its sweet spot, it was very popular back then, it had a lot of mini marathons like on tracks and monthly missions that let me earn a lot of lower tier premium tanks, and there were a lot of new players to it was a much more level playing field for new players. I played a lot of low tier tanks do to the On Tracks and because I needed to earn credits to buy tech tree tanks, equipment, and consumables. The game actively punishes progression, the higher the tier you progress to the more expensive it is to buy the tank, equipping it is expensive, and playing it becomes more expensive as well as you progress up the tiers, even making it prohibitively expensive to play the highest tier tanks, especially when you trying to grind credits, with a free to play account, so back then I would go to play tons and tons of low tier games in low tier premium tanks to get credits just so I could progress in the tech tree. Then WG actively began to try to get players to play higher tier tanks, they nerfed the number of rewards you could earn, Luckly I already had enough higher level premium tanks to continue to do the worthwhile missions and still earn credits for progression, but there was no need to play the game that much for me, the rewards were not worth it anymore most of the time so I literally started playing only one tenth (1/10) as much as before. Then WG started the battle pass and I realized it was much easier to do it with tier 6 tanks, many of them premium than higher tier tanks, and now WG allows even tier 4 tanks to be used. Combine this with events like the Black Market, the Assembly Shop and other in game sales and almost all progression up the tech tree has ended for me just so I can make credits, and i make credits with mostly lower tier tanks tier 5 and mostly 6, thus most of my games are in those tiers overall. I have now mostly abandoned even playing tier 7 and 8 premium tanks (which I have about 50 combined, yes on a free to play account and I did not use actual money for a single one of them, I ground them out through missions), they are not as efficient in doing the On Track, and I have also found higher tier teams and gameplay is just as bad if not worse than lower tier game play and it is not as profitable or fun. Occasionally I will get a player starting to DM me that I am a looser for playing these tanks at lower tiers, and I just ignore their ignorance and arrogance since they either have no concept of the free to play experience or they have not idea that different players have different goals than they do and do not view how to play the game the same way they do (a problem a lot of people have in real life as well with other people). WG has had so much success with this game the way it was, they now have a hard time understanding that they succeeded disputed the game have so many problem, not because of the way the game systems and rewards work. This makes it very hard for them to make changes in a reasonable amount of time, it at all. WG does token things to attract new players but has no intention of doing a lot of things that need to be done because WG wants there to be so much grinding, so much pain, so need for XP and credits that players will break down and buy premium time, premium tanks, and other things WG sells to progress. In this endeavor to get players to spend more and more they are constantly nerfing rewards and trying to create FOMO in events and sales, buy keeping the possibility of a rare tank being sold or offered that will be so OP it breaks the game that players "have to have it' or be a victim of it, that WG by its sheer greed not only makes the game unimaginably difficult for new players to catch up and compete, but drive older players away because they get tired of the constant monetization, power creep, nerfing of good tech tree tanks and other WG changes that undermine progress and achievement and leave the feeling the WG will one day do something so bad to the players that they stop investing time and money into what they realize is a losing proposition. I know my time playing WOT is limited, I know that one day I will have nothing from this game but memories. You do not really own your account, your account exists at the whim of WG. I know one day WG is very likely to try to put something in the game or change something that will stop me from playing. I almost left permanently when they were pushing the first attempt at Crew 2.0, the only time I took a "break" from WG, that was for 9 months. They backed down, but not really, they just went back to the drawing board on how to push it into the game in a more palpable way. WG will nerf, change, and monetize this game into the ground long before it natural expiration date arrives. Always remember that WOT is just a game and it will end, so try not to spend time and money on it beyond what you find enjoyable. This game has made me realize that I do not ever want to start to play another MMO again,

As a former wot player who played the game since 2014 just quit and play wt for 4+ years now and wot is cringe and bad as the same time

Players that use "so?" are pretty much the majority. It's just them not able to think beyond themselves.

youtubers playing the game for the first few times to advertise it are usually so bad and have no idea why they even died, many of them laugh at their confusing death and that seems to be the extent of their fun, an average beginner experience. Nobody wants to drive in their new tank for a few minutes, die and then wait in garage for several minutes, or worse just sit in the back and do nothing all game every game admiring the graphics because they are too afraid to take the risks.

beta player here, WoT died in 2016 roughly.

The constant chat bans killed any coordination or humor in the game that helped made the grind more bearable. Now chat is silent which completes the botting experience of the game.

As a WT player it still blows my mind the whole "gold ammo" thing. Say what you want about WT but at least noobs are firing the same rounds as vets, but from what I've been told the WoT devs actually know how to design a map whereas with WT about a third of the maps are deep fried 🐶💩 so at least you have that going for you.

after 10k wot battles and over 2k hours of WT: The War Thunder experience is way better at least for me. YES, I know how to play, but even if you don't there is a decent tutorial at the start the game actually got their tutorial updated so now EVERY single aspect of it has a tutorial which is nice. If your a slow old man (NA VET) Arcade battles are for you! you have markers, and shell drop indicator. But if your not one of them Realistic battles are for you. You spot with your eyes and ears, RNG wont fuck you over with misses and damage rolls. Expect if you face a tank which has volumetric armour. than your shell can be stuck in random spots. But its still a more consistent experience than wot. You don't have to worry about gold spammers since there is no such thing like that. You do have crew skills which can massively change the way your tank repairs, reloads ect but until like 8.0 people don't really have them on such a level which would make the game unfair for someone which has close to none crew skills. Skill, knowledge matters more in this game. You can still get bombed by some angry kid who you just killed, but positioning can save you 90% of the time. YES you can absolutely carry a team by yourself in Wot. But your ability to carry a team of monkeys is way more doable in WT. Plus you get rewarded for doing good by getting XP multipliers. If a shitter decides to buy a high tier tanks they will get eaten alive in the first 30 seconds. Unlike in Wot where you can just buy the newest hull down meta tank and be invincible. War Thunders experience is just a way better experience if you were born with braincells. Not to mention that they are actually adding content to the game... The grind takes longer but at least your not being actively sabotaged by the game every single second.

I played this game waaay back in the day. What killed it for me was the premium ammo. Felt so frustrating blatantly losing to P2W mechanics. I play war thunder and there are frustrating P2W mechanics there too but nothing close to premium ammo.

The main problem with WoT is the fucking RNG. Time after time you will be killed because RNG said so. Mercy rounds, ghost shells, etc. RNG is used to decide matches and there is literally nothing you can do but bounce miss miss bounce die. WT has it's own problems, but the RNG deciding matches is not one of them. THAT ALONE makes WT the better game since it doesn't CHEAT.

War thunder killed it, and then gaijin realized they could just be as bad as possible as long as they are better than wargaming

Sadly, it doesn't end on low tiers. When they finally escape the sealclubbing hell, they meet the range of ultra disgustingly OP tanks at tier 8, 9 and 10, where they just cannot do shit about them.

I remember when the maus could hold the line.. then gold ammo came. And i stoped playing

I remember quitting WoT back when War Thunder first introduced ground. Mostly because WT just felt more satisfying, was easier to learn, and was just had more intuitive gameplay. My shots go where my crosshair is, not within this giant circle. Even on the move! Giant tanks aren't completely invisible because there happens to be a bush nearby, and there isn't a third ammo type that costs a bajillion dollars and is way better than the other two, but rather half-a-dozen ammo types that each work differently. 13 year old me was ecstatic, a tank game that made sense to me. And on top of that, at the time, WT was less competitive and because its ground forces were so much newer had less of a problem with seal clubbing. Which is actually the biggest reason I stopped playing. There was a semi-popular mod going around that showed you the winrates of your team, and so the so-called "high skill" players would announce in chat that their team was terrible and they were leaving the match. Like dude, I'm in my first tier 6 tank, I don't know how most of the game mechanics work still, and half the team probably didn't either. Why are you so mad? It's just a game. I was also 13 or 14 and the complexity of the game felt like I'd have to dedicate the rest of my life to it in order to get good at it. Why bother figuring this stuff out myself, and with these people who offer no advice other than uninstall? War Thunder was right there and a lot easier to learn. That was probably the biggest contribution to its early player spike. Of course now War Thunder has the same problems. More and more game mechanics are introduced while Gaijin makes no attempt to teach new players, experienced players run loose at low tier with op vehicles, and they're selling high tier premiums to people with 0 battles in the game. Not to say that people with a lot of experience should be barred from playing lower tiers, I like playing them myself, most of my favorite vehicles are at lower tiers, but both games should try to implement some kind of match making to get the guys with thousands of battles away from the people who installed the game yesterday. Same with World of Warships. I love [real] warships, but hate WoWS and WT Naval, so I kinda bounce between the two, but in WoWS I still prefer lower tiers. Almost all of my favorite ships are there, top tier just sucks, and, being a huge ship nerd, I know all the real ones by heart practically, so having what was the best battleship ever built (Yamato) get completely splattered by some fantasy paper boat from Stalins dreams just SUCKS so hard (also one of my gripes with WoT (not saying people can't like the fantasy vehicles, but I personally HATE them)).

This is honestly one of the first times I've seen someone mention the(in my opinion) real problem with WoT. But this doesn't just happen with WoT, it happens with almost every pvp game. I don't have a link to it, but there was something like a 20-hour camping spree of a new player in Sea of Thieves, for example, perpetrated by a group of friends/guild/crew/whatever-they're-called-in-that-game, as a 'welcome to the game' thing. The problem is that a ton of people who play PvP games do it for one reason: To win, to get satisfaction from the fact that you were able to beat another person, a real person. They want to feel superior. Is it ever player? Of course not. There are a huge amount of people who play PvP games just because that's the genre of game that they like. But every cheater, ever sealclubber, every 'purple-chaser', every toxic dude screaming in every text/voice chat in every PvP game ever, all have the same thing in common. They want to feel like they're better than the opponent. And people will go VERY FAR in their attempts to do this. Sealclubbing is just one way. Becoming a 'whale' and buying overpriced premium items that are better than 'tech tree' or free items is another way. Cheating is yet another way. And all of these behaviors only serve to chase away new players. And new players are the lifeblood of PvP games. It is INEVITABLE that older users of a game will leave. They'll leave for greener pastures, they'll get banned, they'll lose interest, they'll die, whatever the reason. This means that it is a REQUIREMENT for PvP games to constantly have an influx of new players, but the biggest problem with getting new players is _THE OLD PLAYERS_. They are better, they have sunk more hours into the game, and as mentioned, many of them want to feel superior. Who are the easiest targets to feel superior toward? New players who have no idea what they're doing. So new players join, get absolutely smashed by older players through one means or another, and then what do they do? They leave. And all the money they might have brought, any friends they might have brought to the game, the places that they could have taken in queue to make those shorter, all of those things leave with them. PvP game players are the single-largest problem with PvP games. PvP-Game-Players are, largely, the reason that these types of games die. It's a real catch 22, and no I don't have any real solutions to the issue. But it's happened over and over and over with more games than I could possibly name. PvP players cannibalize their own games until there's nobody left. They are the reason that <Insert PvP Game Here> is dying. And until something can be done to stop it, it's just going to keep happening. This got a lot longer than I meant for it to be so I'm sorry about that, but yeah. Have had a lot of thoughts about this topic for a long time. Just seems like most people don't really 'get' what the underlying issue is, so I'm glad that someone else seems to see it.

WOTB got most of these + you can play while shitting

Seal clubbers can end up on both teams. And they show new players what is possible. But there is protective matchmaking. And getting one shoted/getting one shots is one of the most fun parts of the game.

I played WoT for 8 years since 2013, after update 8.5 the game was destroyed, it was no longer the game i enjoyed but i still kept on playing hoping that they would fix it, how wrong i was, the game is totally destroyed, bunch of pay to win bullshit, only premium losers running left and right meaning you wont see and regular tank anywhere, unbalanced match making, lootboxes, retarded skills, stupid game changes that make the game even less enjoyable....in 2021 i deleted WoT once and for all and switched to WT, so far what i can tell is that WT has similar problems as WoT but not so much noticable and the game is much more enjoyable to play since you dont have to deal with constant bullshit all the time compared to WoT.

So the game is super P2W and your solution is to remake all the maps instead of removing the P2W. Just play WT man, it has none of this dumb bs.

I played WoT and then WT and I will NEVER come back. WoT objectively sucks.

I stopped playing along time ago i couldn't make any money with the Ferdinand with the upgraded gun didn't matter of kills or shots i didnt take was still going into the red and the gun accuracy was so bad still remember guy right in front of me the circle is small as it can go and i shoot it missed off way to the left like now does that miss its a TD made to kill tanks. Then i played WarThunder and hey i make money in this game hey the shells go where they should never went back to wot. Imo WT is the better game.

tbh..if you remove the sealclubbers...there would be like new palyers and aaaa looot of bots till t8

Joined and quit WT a few years ago when i only grinded up to rank 2 in the GAB as the skill ceiling was way too high coming from WoT (no built in stabiliser, movement felt weird due to tanks having actual gear changes etc). Realised soon that the economy in WoT is kinda shit - it is nearly impossible to consistently earn an income in high tier as a f2p player, and that I had to force myself to play my tier 6 t3485m prem (which i got for free due to an event) every few high tier matches to actually earn credits...granted WT's economy at that point in time was also shit, but i hadn't gone that far into the game to realise lol. Hence i decided to quit WoT and give WT a second chance, as a breath of fresh air. Fast forwards a few years to today, and yes even though the grind is unquestionably worse in WT, it feels alot better to actually be able to earn income in high tier (im at 11.3 germany and 10.3 sweden) after the huge review bombing last year. Yes the game has issues (CAS, Ka50s and level 10 timmys in 2A4Ms and clickbaits) but the economy is one of the biggest reasons im sticking with the snail for now :)

Welp i jnow both WT and WoT can be great, but I gave up on WT after 300+ hours of all other mayor nation tanks being able to lolpen any swedish tank I played just because (the t-34 on the swedish side of the techtree not withstanding either) so I just stopped playing and not going back, sorry not sorry

Haven't played world of tanks in years at this point. Made my account in 2012 Unfortunately I picked up war thunder in 2013 and been playing ever since and its gotten just as bad. Top tier war thunder is just ruined, Everyone looks to trade and you can get a kill with 2 key binds.

WT player here, even though I started WoT first, I came back to the game just to try it out after some years I had to create another account and start over. absolutely butchered low tier, any tank with at least a bit of armour was just impossible to kill for them when I was controlling it. and yet, I just couldn't enjoy the game, the linear tech tree and the way the devs force you to grind the same tank for hours just to get a little modification and unlock the ability to search the next tank is one of the worst grind I ever experienced. The game being completely RNG dependant make it even more so frustrating, because you don't hit or miss because of *you*, but because of the game. Shots that you *know* should have hit don't, and sometime you just have no idea how did the shot hit the enemy having a one tank per battle that instantly get locked when you die is extremely punitive and feels like just one more way to keep you longer on the game at best and to add to it, the premium is omnipresent, it just gives you so much of an unfair advantage against other players, it's almost indispensable to have if you want to grind a bit further in comparison, War Thunder's premium aims mostly at helping you to grind, and not actually giving you an advantage over the rest of the player base. Of course, yes you can have premium vehicles, but I find them to be mostly balanced, and some premiums are sometimes even worse than their free counterparts, or add elements so little that they don't really affect the overall game. The main argument of premium vehicles is that they allow you to grind the tech tree and get the top tier rewards for all tanks of lower tiers than the purchased one In my honest opinion, WT is superior in every aspects, and if you want to play arcade, well the game also has one, it's not a simulator game after all. The game does suffer from similar problems, but with a significantly lower degree, and you may never really realize it if you stay at low/mid tier vehicles. The best thing for WoT would be for them to learn from WT how to handle premiums and everything related to it. Honestly thinks you should try the game out, even if you don't plan on sticking to it, it's worth a try, and I think also helps get an opinion on both games and the way they handle paid advantages

Same thing in ships a lot of lower tier clubers/players or really bad high tier players with thousands of battles are 50-70 year old men. Some are vets but many aren't. They don't care about the newplayers, wins or team, they just want drive thier pixels and shoot things. I'm 45 and tell my wwife most of my time is spent yelling at boomers.

Frankly surprising this game even lives on in 2024. Dropped it decade ago when premiums, gold ammo, arty and clip tanks became insufferable.

For me WoT died when they took away arty's high damage and implemented the stun mechanic...

As I see it the thing about seal clubbing that Wargaming should worry about, possibly even more, is "Can seal clubbing give a satisfying experience long term?" I feel we've all played single player games where after we beat the game we engage some god mode and run about just smashing the enemy that used to give us troubles. But this is last few hours of a game before we uninstall and move on. Facing completely no challenge is fun for a short while but gets boring really quickly.

I showed my best friend WoT, after 500 rounds he almost has no motivation anymore because he is constantly being killed by Seal clubbers. Escape to higher levels is also not an option because he lacks experience to survive there

Think I stopped WoT When War Thunder came out My most played tank was the Type 59

I'm trying to grind through T3/T5 on the Italian and German tech trees on the NA server i found a seal clubber with 98k battles at T5. Its one of the most painful experiences starting a new tech tree and getting my teeth kicked in by lefh and other seal clubbing tanks. I feel really bad for new players, and yes, NA server is dying. I used to see 30k+ people playing regularly and then it dropped to around 22k and now if we're lucky last couple weeks since i came back from my break, 13k. I have played on and off for 12 years, i have less than 4,500 battles played, why? this game can get frustrating to an extreme degree and i simply have no choice but to take a break. For those mentioning War Thunder, its pretty bad too. I come around a corner and i can get one shot, I can target a tank the same way I was targeted in that very same tank, and I do no damage, but they one shot me. too frustrating to play for extended periods of time.

download war thunder, its better 👍

For me Wargaming killed WoT with wheeled vehicles. Was playing the E 100, hit one with an HE round and it took 100 damage and the wheels absorbed the rest of the damage. After that happened just quit and uninstalled. Those things have no armor that HE should have been a 1 shot.

Quite effective gap filling! Please, do continue. 😀

I can not say anything about the seal clubbing in War Thunder, but I can confirm that the seal clubbing in crossout is a nightmare situation. I will not get too much into the details here, but we have been in an ebb and flow of lack of players for a long time, and seal clubbing, and alarmingly rampant toxicity are factors in why crossout is in the same boots as World of tanks. We are just worse affected by it due to the lack of players, and unchecked toxicity.

Getting hit 3-5 times, right, unless it was an GC Conquor slinging HEAT an one shotting your type 5 heavy from behind a giant mountain from across the map 3 minutes into the game....but ya....balanced. or getting blind shotted by an AP shell from across the map by a T92 in my Jpnz E100 At the end of a match, one on one....alot of problems with arty back in the day, and the nurf was TEN YEARS over due

Making fighting player a comparison to fighting an OP boss = Elden Ring PTSD flashbacks

I'd wait 2-3 minutes if it made the game slightly more balanced in a +1/-1 MM

Iv been in a game where yhe enemy had 13 tier 10s and our team had two, and somehow....someway, we steamrolled hhem with our tier 9s

For me this game started dying when autoloaders were introduced with french tree. I played 2-3 years since then and introduction of premiums stronger than tree counterparts was the last straw. Since then I am just happily hate watching its descent, thanks for the video Edit: regarding playing only one vehicle - that's balancing problems. Instead of buffing new lines and nerfing them after a year no promote something else, they should focus on vehicles, which are known as OP Absolutely disagree about maps and view range. Lower tiers should have own maps where that cannot be abused, but removing bushes will kill many trees

Warham8ng doing skety ****, what, like taking guns off tech tree tanks....ie BL-10 off the ISU-152 and THEN, releasing it on a premium!? Or taking the 10 rnd auto loader from the bulldog and throwing it on a premium for 10k gold 😆 😂

I miss the 59-16s Auto Loader. Such a faaaaantastic tank. I remember when tier 5 lights could see tier 10s. They were gold for a team that could keep them alive. An amazing ELC bis, or a Chaffee could always carry the team if used properly

Iv been screaming for literal YEARS to get +1/-1 MM. They tease it with their +1/-1 weeks, and they experience massive numbers of player logging on. They take it away, and they leave. You can't learn to sidescrape in a black prince, or a T29 when you have tanks that have 250+ gold pen been slung at you. I went to WoW ledgends, cause they HAVE +1/-1 MM, their games seem more fair and balanced, and not to mention, last LONGER then 2-3 minutes. Iv had games on WOT where the match is literally over in 2 minutes cause you get these high tier premiums who JUST installed rushing in an getting merked. Easy solution...if you DONT have a tank of that tier researches, you DONT get to buy your way to it! The fact NEW players can spend 100 buck and buy a tier ten, when I spent YEARS grinding mine out is total dog ****. I get it, its their dehydrated cash cow, but still...sorry about the rant. I was playing since beta on PC, then went to Xbox. The second the LOOT BOX'S started coming, I was like "NOPE".

Just play war thunder. It's better

fascinating what drove me to quit was the LT rework followed by all the good LTs being nerfed into oblivion or being made into weird mediums

Plus the Xbox version died tragically imo They tried to copy fortnites hud and it killed it imo, everything feels too fast and sloshy

I might get bricks in the face for this but what if they add co-op mode like in WOT console and WOWS and limit SPGs to that mode only because: 1:Co-op would be perfect not only for new players to learn but also casual players like me who just want to shoot tanks 2: Bring back the high alpha high pen or what ever system they want but limit them to co-op only so they can enjoy their games without ruining other's experience