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@@TheChristhesecond as long as they have the keyword orc in their profile man then they will cause terror from memory

@@MtnGoatGamingThanks for the reply mate. Follow up question, when using the morgul blade, do you get the standard 3 attacks? Can’t find any rule that says otherwise.

@@MakiwaraKarate brother got legacied 🥹

Ooof, but what a trade off! That means fight 5 Royal guard hey?

@@jayhansen7885 sure does!

True, but at least his upgrades make him genuinely viable. Keep glorfindel nearby to rescue him from anything nasty and maybe a cirdan call winds on opposing heroes!

@ that’s a good point. I worry about the 1 fate but he’s definitely still a bruiser.

Love you 😘

BUT IM RIGHT THO AND YOU ALLLLLLL KNOW IT -Alex

Also, I use that exact Riders of Eomer list, and it slaps!

Interesting! My current 850 Atop the Walls I’ve been testing just had the 1 trebuchet, but added a captain, another warband and additional banner for 40ish models. What have your thoughts been on the usefulness of the trebuchets? Feel like I’m taking them more to ensure my opponents don’t sit back and shoot rather than for their damage output

@MtnGoatGaming It answers Trolls and Eagles mostly. They are also big distraction Carnifex's that my opponents fixate on while the rest of my army does work. I also find when I run 1 it doesn't do enough for it's points, but with 2 it feels right. They also threaten Mumaks which are heavily played in my meta.

Yeah it was a tough list to build man I think if you want to maximise the heroic combat, play it all mounted

@@jesseg9013 he is defently now balanced in a good way. Before he was just annoing

@@grimgrauman7650 haha ya definitely over tuned before, seems like he may be in a good place now, especially back as a hero of fortitude.

It depends on how risky you feel like being with Eomer. Sure he is no slouch and can take a few whacks, but having Legolas as your general gives you that freedom to play Eomer with a lot more risk. Both as generals are more than valid, Just comes down to, how you are wanting to play the army. -Sean

@@TomRogueDice but the enemy does too. They are still F4 and get +1 to wound most of the time

Yeah my dude Dale with major access to plus one to wound and on top of that their opponent has to make it to them under crazy fire. Odds are combats gonna swing Dale's way. Sadly lost access to those D6 knights tho 😭 -Sean

They both offer their own uniqueness. I think in a monster meta, Beorn comes out on top in terms of killing power.

what do you mean of course Sean 🤣🤣🤣 I hated windlances before it was cool. This edition tho, I'm liking them a lot more. 3 is solid at 600 with the amount of eagle lists and monsters we are seeing. Definitely seeing alot more +1 to wound, Reroll failed wounds, reroll 1s to wound. Personally I think that's a good thing, makes the game alot quicker to play when stuffs actually dying. -sean

Since you need a hero of fortitude+ for each siege engine, don't you need a 3rd hero for the 3rd windlance?

Yeahhhhhh they went from being trash in the last edition to absolutely shocking this edition. The fear factor that they brought in the last edition has been culled. -Sean

Defenders of the ramas will be a cool list with ingold, rangers and bow faramir, then gandalf without pippin. Atop the walls should get imrahil in and the fiefdoms!

True, the list has many variations that will slap bro! Let us know how you go if you try any of the other options!!

Also, this may be wishful thinking but imagine if Beregond also gets a rule that buffs Cit guard in some way. So synergising him with Irolas really starts to cook. That could be fantastic and really justify them being Elite.

Numbers are good when you add in laketown my dude ;)

@ I can’t bring myself to do it! The d3 and fight 2 scares me deeply 😅 have you made it work? I saw the higher numbers in the lists in the video. I’ll be tempted to try it. But I’ve got gwaihir in there usually!

That’s a shame, though they are still powerful as hell

I agree, luckily the rest of the army can hold their own!

So a few things. - Gandalf must always use his own will to cast. In the last edition it was part of the FAQ that stated this was the case so the status quo should be the same here. - Unless otherwise stated (passengers like Merry and Pippin), you can only use Shadowfax's heroic resources on himself. And Gandalf can only do it for himself. The exception to this is spells that target the whole model - in which case either can use their will to resist. BUT you can only use Gandalf's might on his resist dice.

The rules for Hero mounts are on page 75. They state that when the mount is a hero, the rider and the mount may spend each others might, will and fate, the only exception being that they can only use their own will when casting spells.

Alright, this clears it up for me, cheers!

He's far more combat orientated (F5 D7 2A BotD), and should realistically be throwing lots of 1 dice spells at problem heroes (that's he's also chosen as the target of his rule to weaken them (reduce their strength with wither, drain their courage, remove fate points to help the witch king kill w the morgul blade). The Barrow Wight is more of a general fix all with 1 answer to everything, paralyse. Alex

@ Thanks Alex that’s really helpful! He did seem more useful in combat. Such a shame he doesn’t have channelling. Chris

At the moment the easterlings are only found in the Legions of Mordor army (via their captains and basic troops) but everything else will be rereleased with the Armies of Middle Earth in the coming months. Alex

OOFT hot take here, personally the enforcer is just plain ass, just having his won 3 might would be far better and more versatile. Additionally, losing Goroth and Zagdush and the lack of hitting power through gothmog makes their consistency somewhat questionable. I still want to see how it goes, but think it might find it tough nowadays... Alex

@MtnGoatGaming true, it would be nicer if it was true, might, but effectively, 4 points of might at 55pts is really good. Especially in this legion where you're mainly using might to call moves to get favourable fights or marches as you don't really have any combat heroes. But I don't think you need the combat hero's, I think your battle line is so strong with s4 d6, and you can spam out so many. Like 650 pts, you can have the 3 named heroes, 38 moranons with shields/spears, and shields/ one with a banner. Also, the best part of this list is the mini game, hoping that your opponent is playing a faction of men. XD

Zerkers do fix the corage issue Isenguard now has. And an F5 enemy was a pretty classic weakness of the list. I played against Isenguard quite a bit last edition, and I managed to do crazy things against it with elves. If the list had F5 in it last edion, my elves would have suffered greatly

@lutzeichmeyer9338 again, not saying it's bad, I just think it's the new shiny thing that's overlooking the more classic build.

​@@KnudAutlermann Cannot agree more. Classic Isenguard uruk spam was awesome last edition without shieldwall. It will be ever better with it now!

Fair enough take! I think a minimum of 3-6 will still be insanely worth the cost though! Alex

That’s a great question!

Dude that looks awesome. Personally, is throw in Lord Thorne with 14 throwing spears and banner, maybe a Warhorn if I feel crazy. Stretching that FV4 wider is great too, and they have D5 so they can at least hold their own. Not to mention 14 throwing spears as either backline, Frontline, or mixed, adds a lot of versatility.

@KnudAutlermann I have an alternate list that runs Thorne for banner access and throwing spears, but in testing, I have found that you lose out a bit too much on consistency. Thorne's group makes for a solid center, but I personally prefer him at lower point levels to make up for the lack of being able to horde as much. Wildmen are as good at shooting as soldiers of Rohan as well. I kind of wish Thorne could bring riders, but that would probably be broken in this list. Still, I think Usurpers will be a strong list no matter how you run it. The protection from cavalry/monsters that the brands give is actually astonishingly good.

As others have said, I reckon dropping either a chieftain (or dare I say, targg) for Thorne and 1-2 banners and some F4 throwing spears is a worthwhile inclusion. Great to see it serving you well though! Alex

Good to hear from you mate! Upon further playtesting your take on Minas Morgul I'd very much agree with. I've actually taken to dropping the 2nd wraith and the drummer for a Troll with Drum and additional captain with far more success. Regarding Angmar, haven't seen or heard many people playing with it atm but I'd also say the reduction back to 3" terror is also a big change to how people have to build their lists and select their heroes. Moria is definitely a sleeper, especially with the lack of shiny things to drop your model count (cant wait for bats and prowlers to return, RIP Blackshield shaman). Looking forward to seeing you at Cancon, hopefully another awesome match incoming! Alex

We are looking to eventually get over on to Spotify in the near future -Sean

@MtnGoatGaming that's great news. An Audio RRS would be great too for those that don't use Spotify. Kinda like Entmoot/Green Dragon etc.

The key thing to remember with big heroes is that they're often not that much more expensive than the enemy casters (now that the WK is forced to actually pay points for his power). If Saruman is mercilessly Transfixing your Aldrac every turn, then they're spending resources from a 170-point hero to stop your 120-point hero from killing stuff. That means that you should have 70 points more on the field killing their warriors, to hopefully break through to Saruman and tag him. That's obviously less applicable for Gil-galad, and to some extent there isn't a great answer there because it's his traditional weakness. But again, he's about the same price as Saruman, who can't reliably Transfix him every turn indefinitely. He's more expensive than Galadriel, but she's noticeably less reliable than Saruman, and you should have F6 Elves making a mess of her battleline. Just bide your time and wait till their caster fluffs it or only just casts, throw some Will at resisting and go for a big Heroic Combat. If you can kill 4 models that turn then things are way in your favour tempo wise, so your warriors should be able to clean up from there while Gil-galad takes a (Transfixed) breather. The exception is if your opponent has lined up a scary assassination run on your hero, in which case you should throw everything at resisting for that turn. But neither Saruman nor Galadriel can partner with anything that scary, so this sort of situation should be rare. A Transfixed Gil-galad is still totally fine for fending off Uruks or Elves, so just don't let him get exposed to a massive trap and you should be fine

I've never tried that! What I've been doing is just throwing in my big hero, then they get transfixed after 1 turn and beaten to death by an enemy striker. I'll try playing more conservatively with them next time. Thanks!

Genuinely, I think Carn dum are a mid table menace and can be played to podium. Double troll is the sweet spot at 750 for me ! But I think three is meta dependent. Spam your numbers hard and look to use Aldrac and trolls for as much brutality as possible !!! The easiest way to work around magic is to threat overload with characters and make it so you can continue pressure in as many areas as possible. I hope that makes sense. It’s not unbeatable !

Genuinely think muster is one of the top 3 scariest lists that are out there right now.

With fell beast now takes 1 attack bonus for cavarly and 1 more for monstrous charge

@reslime Guli has a 6" fly tho. Big nerf unless it's a typo

@@kylemckiernan1445 you mean that in his move section of the book movement is 6"? If that so that is his movement when he does not fly (like in woodland terrains) When a creatures flies the max movement is always 12"

@reslime read the new rulebook and get back to me. Specifically, the fly special rule

@@kylemckiernan1445 man i just got the book and checked you are right, but this changed in this new edition isn't it? Thanks for the tip!

@reslime yes, previously everything flew 12" but now they fly their move value. Meaning rules as written Guli is a 6" fly

Oh Jeez! This looks TASTY! lemme try it and get back to you !

Yes

Holy shite! That’s nuts

@@joshsanders9129 it should be only for waiths on fell beast and radagast on eagles, i do not recall any other monster that can you ride upon but yes 1 attack more

No but it's gonna be confirmed

At 600 points the one troll is great, anything above needs 2 monsters. I’m not opposed to the double troll. But fellbeast and troll is where it’s at

@@ClaymoreLinx melted my heart ♥️ -J

Hang out for next week ;)

Yeah, I played Usurpers in a friendly match against Army of Edoras and it was a slaughter. They absolutely mince through Rohan armies. Wulf 1-shotted Helm. It was very fun but very brutal. You'll be able to flip the script on him very quickly.

Bro, usurpers are great! And Wulf is just SO Good ! The free challenge for anyone is just brutal if played well!!!

Yeah, but they do not have the options of two-handed weapons and basically cost 50% more than regular orcs, 0/10. I will only take them in lists where I have to.

@@ClaymoreLinx you also want them in the fron for the D6. I don't think that you really need two-handed weapons when you have blades of the dead

@@grimgrauman7650 I mean maybe, I would rather just have more numbers, with the drum shooting is not that much of an issue. Defense only makes you die slower. The two-handers secure kills on Elves with a 4, heroes 5s at worst. One of the things they said in the video was "they hate [courage] 7." Which you don't have to worry so much about with two-handers!

@@ClaymoreLinxthis is a great point bro! I’ll try it out in my next game!

Honesty bows man, ideally I’d take more.

Sauron stat checks armies so hard, and if he gets on a roll he kills so well! For a high value infantry list they hate a model that does this.

@@MtnGoatGaming Iiiiif you say so.

Considerations to the metagame are taken in real time, with the options available and chosen by the player base you are a part of. We do not have those options, so they do not factor in. The metagame at present still exists without them.

Wdym 1/3 has been released. Is there any info on what else will be released yet? I have been wondering on what will happen to the profiles that are yet not featured in the current "released" army lists. Like what forum do I have to go to to get mesbg news. Thanks for your help

Meta literally means “most effective tactic AVAILABLE” since this is what’s available right now it’s a fair meta discussion

@@gijuki1335 mostly *armies of middle earth* . To me personally, having played for many years, the rules released so far are just an early access version of the game that I enjoyed until the new edition, very bare bones. Cant wait for armies and legacies of middle earth to release so I will be able to play Khazad dum, Old Dain, Reaper Boltthrowers and many more again.

He can.

@@DesmondDentresti I Gues WK is better than i tought first time :) thkx

So, I've played 3 games now with the Usurpers and Targg (imho) is a must take. His Master of Battle has been insane. Sending him with Wulf to go hunt heroes is nasty as hell. Plus, having two cav models in a list really hurting for them has been quite helpful. On average, he's spent the equivalent of 5 might points in every game I've played thanks to Master. Anecdotal, and relying on some RNG of course, but I'd really encourage using him.

@@alex51011ah that’s a great use case having a tag team with Wulf. I’ve got the starter set so I like the idea of picking up just a handful of heroes and having a full new army so I’ll give that a shot! Edit: hot damn I just realised the +1 to wound heroes is for all Dunland in that list not just troops. I can see why Wulf is scary!!!

@Hughzaa9 Right? Plus Wulf using Heroic Challenge on the enemy general nets him +2 to wound (army bonus + challenge) AND he gets 2 might back if he kills them thanks to General Hunter. I feel like it's a list that looks kind of rough on paper (not much defence, fv, etc.), but the sheer numbers and shooting capability have made it quite fun for me.