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Thanks for the detailed info

Thank you so much for sharing this

I saw one amazon review about the donner that it tightens up the loop. If you’re bad at timing , one guy made a review comment on Amazon (sceptical that maybe they all tighten up the loop) and it’s not just a software thing for that specific Donner- any comment?. Thank you very much for this video and your Amazon comments so I can save some money. Do they both tighten the loops for bad timings?

i have a 451 pro from back around 2010 and i is definitely not bright.

Based on this I bought and use the KMISE Looper & Drum. However I cannot get the Win11 PC to recognize it. I downloaded the 2023 softweare and the amd64 driver, but no luck. Is there a Win11 *.inf anywhere that works?? The pedal screen very briefly flashes USB connected, then the PC says cannot recognize device and pedal goes back to Memory/rhythm display.

Thanks for doing this - I was looking at the Flamma and didn't realise they were all basically the same pedal. In the UK today the cheapest option seems to be from STRICH which is £71 for the USB C (newer) version instead of £99 for the Flamma, and I'm sure it's another rebrand of the same circuit. I do think the Flamma has the best looking design though.

My friends dad wants it to loop along to a simple swing or jazz beat but none on these are to his liking. Are there any other loop drum machines with better beats or can certain machines have beats uploaded? Maybe he could upload a track he likes and play along?

Awesome review! Thanks a lot

Great review, Thanks brother!

Excellent review my friend! Thank you very much!

Very useful review. Thank you very much. Do you have any info about Irin looper & drum machine? I suppose it is the new generation (usb-C and moderate price), but I couldn't find any review about. Do you consider, that these toys are reliable, so used at home can work several years? At first sight too many weak points in the electronics (sd card) and software/firmware. I don't feel a reliable robustness in these delicate toys. What do you think?.Thank you again for your review and valuable inputs.

Thanks for covering everything

Good comprehensive video! Thank you! Which pedal has a reggae drum?

Thanks for your video! Have you tried to bypass the 4min length limit? did it work?

which one had the most useful beats for rock/electronica/shoegaze/

Excellent walk through man. I appreciate the info. It answered questions I had. And agreed...being able to use larger SD cards makes sense...as does being able to import/export and edit our own drum tracks. 👍

Just a question, same software ( ex. from Donner or other) works for all units?

Great review. Just bought the KMise. Thanks!

Yeah, that's the kind of comparison gear nerds wanna see! Thank you so much for putting your time in this. I didn't even know there's so many versions of this same pedal. Over here in Europe the Flamma is most present on the market. I'm not sure if the "newer versions" are actually any improvement. USB-C is great just because being a standard across so many devices. Also the emergency-option to hard plug that SD card in your computer for file exchange is nice to have in case the software won't be compatible in future or USB being broken. Apart from that: The hard soldered DC jack is actually a problem. And also look at how the socket of the "older versions" is mechanically connected to the housing, not the PCB, that's how it should be. It is a pedal - it WILL be stepped on... Also, what's making me suspicious is the emptiness inside those 2023 pedals. It COULD BE these are rather a cost-optimized (cheaper) copy than an actual update. Of course, you'd need to look at the top side of these versions PCBs where the ICs obviosly sit. But the separate board with room (cooling) around it in the 2018 type seem durable. So the SD card "feature" could also just have been the cheaper alternative to soldered eMMC. For me the "older version" is still on top and I keep my fingers crossed for software being compatible for long time to come. Don't hope for any firmware/software updates. Just the fact that different manufacturers make a pedal with different hardware but obviously 99,9% same code means there's no will for own R&D.

Hi Dave, Thank you for this great video. Some thoughts: I would have liked to hear more, as a wrap up, about what Kmise does that made it better for you. You did speak on some of that. But I would like to hear why Kmise is better than Donner to you and the others. Also, maybe ranking them would be helpful. A real concise review of what made - or didn't make - each one right for how you perform. Again, super helpful video ... just some things that I would love to hear from you with your level of knowledge. Thank you!!

Well I'm sold on the Kmise now

Are you fckn kidding me. You're quite the wanker aren't you. You must be looking at yourself in the mirror doing it.

Great in depth video!! I have the Yuer one, it's the same as almost any of these, they are all based on the same board if you ask me. Mine was dirt cheap at AliExpress sale. Using coupons etc I paid like 50 bucks. Got 2 questions if you don't mind. 1: did you experience loss of drum settings per memory bank when messing with the merger button? It took me some time to figure out that I had to switch off 'merger' before going to drum section again to set up a new recording. If I didn't, it would write over the drum settings for an existing recording. Just wondering if that' just me being stvpid and unexperienced with loopers lol. Question 2: is that the 5150 III 1x12 50W combo? I want one for its low/mid/hi EQ setting for both channels. Thanks in advance 🤘😎🤘

so using them all you believe they are all even in performance and sound not just features ?

Another much need mod is the ability to pan drums and loops so drums on left and loop on right ( or whatever) I not long got one of the Lekato models and so far it is the most useless damn looper I have to date , the drum sound EQ is absolute crap, most drum loopers are, easy to correct with an EQ pedal but then my guitar will sound like crap because it does not need any extra EQ, why have stereo outputs at if you have no control over them ... this pedal is a total waste of $100

You did a comprehensive test and comparison, very informative. I can make a smart buy decision now. Thanks for doing this video.

Thank you for the wonderful video. I was surprised that there were so many similar items. I bought an IRIN looper and drum. There were other YUER items as well.

Just wondering if this guys quantisize the loops recorded without the drums like Digitech and Boss units do.. otherwise you have to be very careful to get perfect loops....

Dude! Kudos to you! 👏🏾you have verified in great detail what I have long suspected: many of these drum/looper pedals are the same cornflakes in a slightly different box. I will save a significant amount of $$$ and end up with a newer design thanks to your video. You deserve the stomp box equivalent of a Nobel Prize 🏆

Use your phone or tablet , store the files in 48 khz at 24 bits resolution . Thanks

Those loopers don’t have drum loops, those have hardcoded patterns, that repeat as long as you play them. Beatbuddy uses MIDI internally for the drum pattern parts, so they can be user created. Unless those devices use MIDI files internally, I doubt there is a simple patch to add that functionality.

Hey David. Thank you for this great comparison. Can you confirm 1 thing if possible. The LEKATO & The KMISE are essentially the same (same hardware in a different box) correct? Thank you

Thanks for the video, it was very helpful. I just purchased the Lekato because it was cheaper than the Kmise at this time.

Sadly the Lekato looper i had been sent by amzn stopped working within an hour of plugging it in. Within the first half hour of using it my recordings/loops with drums would skip and freeze continuously until the entire unit became unresponsive. It is a rotten shame because the lekato pedal looked and felt amazing. great quality materials and had a nice durable feel and weight to it. sent back for a refund.

Thank you for the great review and information. Saved so much time and money.

I knw what you mean about wanting to edit the drums much like u can with a drum sequencer where u cann add n take away layers, fills etc.Question? So about the instrument cables.I have a lekato in my cart and a standard guitar cable cuz i only have 1 as my amp has built in effects but i obviously need another with this pedal but u mentioned one or two rings on the cable end but a standard 1/4 inch guitar cord will work like any other pedal correct? And will read my effects that im hearing right?( the amp iz a line6 has distortions, chorus, reverb etc) prob a dumb question but just wanna make sure if i set to distortion on my Amp thats what the looper will record with a drum pattern of my choosing.Ive used Rack effects, multi effects pedals, 8 track mini disc recirders,16 track drum sequencers but this is my first looper pedal and thought this may be great for practice and layering,improv etc but wanna be sure it reads the same signal coming out of my amp..hope that makes sense.I dont see why it wouldnt. Thank you btw

+1 on being able to edit the drum beats.....

Hey man, you have the best video on these cheap drum looper pedals. Thanks for the info. I subbed.

The main problem is the bypass, Flamma eats the signal. It's not very obvious, but when you have all the pedals with true bypass, you will hear it, it is noticeably stronger on the oscilloscope.

Props to every youtube uploader in every field who is the first to crack open electronics for a view inside. A public service. Also, you said you tried to view/copy that (maybe firmware) sd card file in linux. I wonder if you could still copy the disk image from a card reader... "cp /dev/sdb ./test.iso" I'll probably attempt this at some point -- have one in the mail. I don't care about size upgrade, but I'd like to be able to replace the SD if it fails.

Testing, it was set to "made for kids" so comments were disabled, testing to see if I fixed it?

Holy Jumping camera batman! Great review otherwise. Maybe start off with the Flamma and Donner being the same hardware, and Kmise & lekato being the same hardware, and then the software for all 4 being the same.

Brilliant thanks for doing this

I just bought the KMISE off of Offer Up. However, it didn't come with a manual and I'm having the hardest time finding the manual using Google. Do you happen to know the URL for the manual?

Ridiculously fantastic and detailed video. Thanks!

Thank You that review was Great. You went above and beyond.

I need to go somewhere and find out what these actually do. Drum, loop?

I totally agree with the previous comment. You have saved me lots of time on research. I think you just put Beat Buddy in the looper market. LOL Great review and comparison thanks again!

Great review! 1 question: do any of them have drum fills? Thanks!

Thanks for your effort. One open question: Are the drums in stereo?