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360 Quick View Video of Rock Springs KOA
The Rock Springs KOA offers a peaceful retreat in the high desert of southwestern Wyoming, surrounded by stunning natural landscapes and rich history. Conveniently located off I-80, it provides clean facilities and a welcoming atmosphere for travelers seeking a restful stop along their journey.
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Snake River Guided Float | Grand Teton National Park | Wyoming
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Floating the Snake River offers a serene journey through the breathtaking landscapes of Grand Teton National Park, where the calm waters reflect the towering peaks and lush forests. As you glide downstream, wildlife sightings and the stunning, ever-changing vistas make the experience both peaceful and unforgettable. Please note that it can be dangerous even though it's a scenic float...this is ...
360 Video of Colter Bay Campground | Grand Teton | Wyoming
Просмотров 234Месяц назад
Colter Bay Campground, located in Grand Teton National Park, offers stunning views of Jackson Lake and the Teton Range. It provides a range of camping options, including tent sites, RV sites, and cabins, along with amenities such as restrooms, laundry facilities, and a general store. 0:00 Laundry and Showers 0:55 Coffee Bar and Sandwiches 1:21 Grocery Store 5:32 Jackson Lake Parking Area 6:42 C...
Grand Teton National Park
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Visiting Grand Teton National Park immerses you in a landscape of towering peaks, serene lakes, and abundant wildlife, offering endless opportunities for outdoor adventure and breathtaking scenery. Whether you're hiking the rugged trails, paddleboarding on Jackson Lake, or camping at Colter Bay, the park's natural beauty and tranquility provide a perfect escape into nature.
Yellowstone National Park
Просмотров 73Месяц назад
Visiting Yellowstone National Park offers a breathtaking experience with its stunning geysers, vibrant hot springs, and diverse wildlife, including bison, elk, and bears. The park's vast landscapes, from the majestic Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone to the serene Lamar Valley, provide endless opportunities for exploration and adventure.
360 Video of Rex Hale Campground | Shoshone National Forest | Wyoming
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Rex Hale Campground, located near Yellowstone, offers a serene setting along the Shoshone River with picturesque views of the Absaroka Mountains. This campground provides easy access to outdoor activities such as fishing, hiking, and wildlife viewing, making it a perfect base for nature enthusiasts. 0:00 Sites 1-10 2:18 Sites 11-20 5:21 Sites 21-30
Keystone Cougar 30BHS Modifications
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Performing multiple trailer modifications to a Keystone Cougar 30BHS can enhance its functionality, living experience, and comfort. Ended up putting some screws in the bathroom shelving supports and the outer wall supports of the closet just to make sure nothing came tumbling down - which nothing did after our 1,500 mile adventure! 0:00 Intro 0:17 Dinette Removal 2:30 Fireplace 4:20 Stair Stora...
360 Video of Site A31 | Glacier Basin | Rocky Mountain National Park | Colorado
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Camping at Glacier Basin in Rocky Mountain National Park offers stunning views of the surrounding peaks and easy access to numerous hiking trails, including the scenic Bierstadt Lake and Bear Lake routes. The campground is well-equipped with amenities, making it a comfortable base for exploring the park's diverse wildlife and breathtaking landscapes.
360 Video of Site 2 | Mountain Park | Colorado
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This is one of our favorites that's only about 40 miles from Fort Collins. Take a look around and find your favorite campsite or at least the one you've booked. Thanks! For a full 360 view of Mountain Park click here: ruclips.net/video/j8eEJzbuUZE/видео.html
Good Times Adventures | Dog Sledding | Colorado
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Wow, what a good time adventure! We had no idea dogsledding could be so much fun. If you’re visiting or staying in the RV Park and looking for something to do, I would add this to your bucket list.
Keystone Cougar RV Roof Warranty Repair Follow Up | You Won’t Believe This
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This is a continuation of the Seriously Part 3 video and the additional concerns that were discovered during the warranty repair work.
Monarch Crest | Scenic Tramway
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Monarch Pass Scenic Tramway offers breathtaking views of the Colorado Rocky Mountains as it ascends to the summit of Monarch Ridge. Passengers can enjoy a unique and picturesque experience, surrounded by stunning landscapes, aboard this scenic tramway.
360 Video of Site 27 | Kelly Dahl | Colorado
Просмотров 677 месяцев назад
Kelly Dahl is one of our favorites based on it's proximity to Nederland which is full of fun places to eat, drink, and shop! Plus, the campground has a playground right in the middle to provide some entertainment for the younger kids.
Camp Dick Site 29 | Colorado
Просмотров 3667 месяцев назад
Out enjoying some fall camping in the Rocky Mountains. You can’t beat sitting by the fire during those crisp fall evenings! This is a great campground as long as you can get a reservation...have to be on the ball for this one.
The Really Big Problem With Our New Keystone Cougar RV | Seriously Part 3
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The Really Big Problem With Our New Keystone Cougar RV | Seriously Part 3
360 Video of Dispersed Camping | Crested Butte | Colorado
Просмотров 788 месяцев назад
360 Video of Dispersed Camping | Crested Butte | Colorado
360 Video of Ridgeway State Park | Dutch Charlie Campsites | Colorado
Просмотров 368 месяцев назад
360 Video of Ridgeway State Park | Dutch Charlie Campsites | Colorado
360 Video of Site 132 | Ridgeway State Park | Colorado
Просмотров 449 месяцев назад
360 Video of Site 132 | Ridgeway State Park | Colorado
360 Video of Site 17 and Sunshine Campground | Telluride | Colorado
Просмотров 13210 месяцев назад
360 Video of Site 17 and Sunshine Campground | Telluride | Colorado
Pumpking Cold Brew | Who’s Better?
Просмотров 3111 месяцев назад
Pumpking Cold Brew | Who’s Better?
James Ranch Market | Musical View
Просмотров 6511 месяцев назад
James Ranch Market | Musical View
360 Video of Len’s Mini Acres | Alpaca Farm | Harvest Host
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360 Video of Len’s Mini Acres | Alpaca Farm | Harvest Host
360 Video of Dispersed Site | Pagosa Springs | Colorado
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360 Video of Dispersed Site | Pagosa Springs | Colorado
360 Video of Site 63 | Snowy Peaks RV Park | Colorado
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360 Video of Site 63 | Snowy Peaks RV Park | Colorado
360 Video of Site B20 | Hermit Park | Bobcat Loop | Colorado
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360 Video of Site B20 | Hermit Park | Bobcat Loop | Colorado
5 More Problems With Our New Keystone Cougar RV | Seriously Part 2
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5 More Problems With Our New Keystone Cougar RV | Seriously Part 2
360 Video of Site R05 | River Run Sun Resorts
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360 Video of Site R05 | River Run Sun Resorts
360 Video of Site 113 | Fort Collins Lakeside KOA | Colorado
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360 Video of Site 113 | Fort Collins Lakeside KOA | Colorado
360 Video of Site E16 | Eagle Campground | Carter Lake | Colorado
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360 Video of Site E16 | Eagle Campground | Carter Lake | Colorado
Medicine Bow Dispersed Camping | 360 Video
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Medicine Bow Dispersed Camping | 360 Video

Комментарии

  • @Erin-Thor
    @Erin-Thor 3 дня назад

    I’ve been to multiple RV shows to narrow my purchase decision between a few Cougar and Montana models. I saw so many quality issues, from crooked cabinet, trim loose, screws missing, draw bottom dropped out (rep said ‘some 🤓 put the manuals in there’ like that’s a reasonable excuse for not holding 2 pounds of paper), wall covering with the edges rough cut, TV mount off kilter, I left with the realization Keystone does zero QC before shipping.

  • @azcharlie2009
    @azcharlie2009 9 дней назад

    We looked at a Cougar 23ML yesterday. I saw so many things wrong that were obvious. That scares me. How many more things are wrong that I couldn't see? Pretty sad. We really liked the model, but..... Ain't gonna buy it....

  • @ProPride3P
    @ProPride3P 9 дней назад

    Hi Camping and Coffee, your ProPride 3P® Hitch video is fantastic! Can we use it in a review ad? We’ll give you full credit. Thanks for sharing your experience!

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 8 дней назад

      I like it...works for me! Let me know when it's out.

    • @ProPride3P
      @ProPride3P 8 дней назад

      @@CampingandCoffee Thank you!

  • @Bakeronlineshopping
    @Bakeronlineshopping 9 дней назад

    We had tank label issues too.

  • @azcharlie2009
    @azcharlie2009 10 дней назад

    It's all those illegal aliens working for them. Quality? Hey, where's my paycheck?

  • @That_Paul_Guy
    @That_Paul_Guy 12 дней назад

    I came across your channel as we’re researching our first RV. Keystone Cougars came up because you can get a King sized bed in them. I feel like I really need to have one independently inspected if we go the route of a Cougar. I guess I didn’t realize a 3rd party RV repair could do warranty work.

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 9 дней назад

      Having the king bed was one of our plusses. I would definitely recommend having it inspected. Our repair company is an approved Keystone technician and is great to work with.

  • @alolivares6834
    @alolivares6834 14 дней назад

    keystone 29fkd21- This one tows horribly even after upgrading truck to a 3/4 ton. Feels like your dragging a boat anchor at times, not to mention the frequent swaying that the 3/4 ton absorbs somewhat compared to the 1/2 ton.

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 9 дней назад

      We're hoping a 3/4 ton will help absorb some of the swaying...we do have a Propride hitch and that seems to help a lot.

    • @alolivares6834
      @alolivares6834 9 дней назад

      it does help, however I’m concerned about the root cause. Currently have a support case open with Dexter (axel Manufacturer) and am waiting on their feedback.

  • @michaelmarfell7442
    @michaelmarfell7442 15 дней назад

    RV manufacturers make it hard to purchase a camper with confidence. I’m interested in getting into the lifestyle, but am I making a mistake by purchasing a huge headache? Is this going to be a huge money pit???

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 9 дней назад

      The good times seem to outweigh the bad things as we've been able to resolve most of those issues and are happy with our purchase overall. They are headaches from time to time, but you'll be more pleased with the opportunities it brings.

  • @gab7157
    @gab7157 16 дней назад

    I love that you showed the framing above the door. Helped me put a ton. Did they repair the dpor or did you just do it . I feel like i shpuld just do it so i know its rugged

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 15 дней назад

      Thanks, and yes, I took care of it...was easier than having to get it scheduled and wait for the repairs.

  • @gab7157
    @gab7157 16 дней назад

    I just took my 2024 keystone bullet out for the 1st run appox 60 miles round trip and the pocket door ripped out of the wall.

  • @scottrobbins1260
    @scottrobbins1260 18 дней назад

    So in your opinion, who builds the best fifth wheel? Thank you

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 15 дней назад

      I don't think I can give my opinion as I haven't done the research. However, I do follow Jacob Rigor who does tons of undercover video research on RV's and is very informative.

  • @ronisom1714
    @ronisom1714 22 дня назад

    More junk falling apart down the road.60k waste of money.

  • @cathy7956
    @cathy7956 25 дней назад

    Previously had a 2014 Thor class C with dinette/closet slide. Great camper, no issues whatsoever. We thought we would upgrade to a 2023 29BH 5th wheel. The layout was nice and we have adult children. Thought this camper would last a long time because our neighbor has a cougar 5th wheel(15 years old and still going). We’ve already had a leak an multiple issues with this camper. Definitely not the quality of the Thor. Keystone does not stand behind their products. We’re basically on our own. I installed a slide topper and put a weatherstrip wiper along the bottom of the leaky slide and so far it seems to be dry. But, like I said, Keystone will not help us out at all. No way we should have a leak on a camper that’s less than one year old.

  • @Mr.267LosAngeles
    @Mr.267LosAngeles Месяц назад

    If there was a employee stamp when job was completed and their were inspectors on the job, this crap would stop. But they are hiring hacks who really dont know anything about anything. My Rockwood 8299BS is a complete sh&t show...Had to rework the whole unit myself!!

  • @kerryritch383
    @kerryritch383 Месяц назад

    I bought a brand new 24Cougar25MLE . Paid cash. Took it in for repairs in June after 3 months . Told them of a major water leak and a bad smell under kitchen sink. They evidently blew it off as no leak found and the smell was from the drain p-trap. You cannot smell it from the sink drain, only under the sink in the cabinet. Bought it back home and found the leak myself. It is under the shower. Water has leaked under the trailer into the bottom cover . Severe water damage spots and they are sweating. Smell is, I’m sure of it, stagnated water and mold/mildew. Getting runaround from the damn service department. I am retired and living in it. Which it is built for living year round

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee Месяц назад

      Wow, sorry to hear that and hope you get it taken care of...especially since you live in it!

  • @jimpierce1482
    @jimpierce1482 Месяц назад

    looking at 1;40 on the video I am shocked the wood was not cut correctly and not a single screw made it in straight?? Unless im not seeing it right? Looks shoddy!!!

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee Месяц назад

      Yeah, I actually had to add additional pieces of wood so the screws would have something to screw into.

  • @smiley3303
    @smiley3303 Месяц назад

    They are not made very well and the best them up. Balance your tires if you have not! I had a Grand Design Transcend and it was very good in about 10-12k miles and three years of owning. Just got a Keystone 32BHS and certainly some shotty stuff I like fit and finish of GD better but this layout and no Schwintek slides won me over.

  • @PamB.-op5nk
    @PamB.-op5nk Месяц назад

    You are mistaken if you buy an RV and expect never to do general maintenance, even when new! Has it become a badge of honor to be wimpy about it? Did you inspect your purchase with an inspector? I did, and the issues were fixed.

  • @davemachoukas6175
    @davemachoukas6175 Месяц назад

    Talked me out that brand

  • @dawnbeck7621
    @dawnbeck7621 Месяц назад

    They did renumber the sites. Site 65 is now 70 I believe. They've done alot of work in a year!

  • @timcarn1740
    @timcarn1740 Месяц назад

    Like the idea of adding to the other door. Just find a location and screw in? screw size? pre drill? need to be tight door frame to hopefully hit a stud? Thanks for any advice

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee Месяц назад

      Thanks for watching! 1) Yeah, I checked first that there was something to screw into to make it secure. 2) I used the screws that came with the handle and don't recall exactly what size they were. 3) Yes, I predrilled pilot holes since I was screwing into the RV.

  • @TheIvabigun
    @TheIvabigun Месяц назад

    They are cheap as 😂 , go buy a Aussie or New Zealand made and see what it costs

  • @timcarn1740
    @timcarn1740 Месяц назад

    Do you have a link for the gas struts in bedroom? That is first on my list for next week when we get ours. Also what/did you ever do anything with the stairs? We are not thrilled witht he carpet top and looking at doing a wood step tread

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee Месяц назад

      This should be it. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BN4HDX16/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

  • @jennifermcquay
    @jennifermcquay Месяц назад

    I thought the camper looked different than the last time we saw it! I should’ve watched this video first! 😂

  • @jennifermcquay
    @jennifermcquay Месяц назад

    This looks amazing!!!! I want to snuggle all of the pups!!! ❤

  • @jennifermcquay
    @jennifermcquay Месяц назад

    Pumpkin spice season is my fav! 🎃

  • @danielslaven2828
    @danielslaven2828 Месяц назад

    Just buckle down have had ours 4 seasons and we still keep getting amazed with absolute piss poor quality!!!

  • @jhemnes1
    @jhemnes1 Месяц назад

    Why is your camera angle so weird😂

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee Месяц назад

      @@jhemnes1 it’s possible that you don’t realize it’s a 360 Video and you can move it around. Try that and see if it gets better! 😀

  • @bmac1802
    @bmac1802 2 месяца назад

    2024 Keystone Cougar Sport 2100RK. Picked up last 6/22, inaugural trip 6/28, found missing screws in cabinets, paper left in ac vents….but the biggest QUALITY & Safety issue, the dump valves are reversed grey empties black, black empties gray, normally not really a big issue, except this RV has TWO external sewer hookups, and this weekend we were not in a full hook up site, so we discovered this modern engineering marvel….at the dump station this morning….Not a happy camper…at all

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 2 месяца назад

      That's basically how I found out ours was reversed as well...that grey water looked awfully brown!!

  • @calvins4084
    @calvins4084 2 месяца назад

    just bought one, don't like seeing this video

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 2 месяца назад

      We’re doing pretty good now that we’ve had a lot of our problems addressed.

  • @TheFalcondan95705
    @TheFalcondan95705 2 месяца назад

    I have talked many out of buying a Montana or ANY THOR PRODUCT..

  • @darladowhaniuk1969
    @darladowhaniuk1969 2 месяца назад

    👍😁 LOL! YOUR FUNNY I ❤ IT!!! YUM 😋

  • @darladowhaniuk1969
    @darladowhaniuk1969 2 месяца назад

    I watched your 1st video of when you bought your cougar and what happened on the way home... thats crazy...i would have wanted to turn around before I made it home. Anyway i came to find your video because i was searching to find the download for a owners manual. My friend just bought a used 2008 cougar. Anyway i liked your video so much that i was looking forward to seeing others... but just a friendly heads up...for you on something ya might wanna check into is your 1, 2 and 3 videos there after are really distorted and blurry... just maybe someting you can fix or correct that will help you keep your viewers and gain more of them. I wish for you the best , have fun camping & stay safe.

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 2 месяца назад

      Thanks, appreciate the feedback! Sometimes you have to change the settings on the videos to make them show up better. I have to do that sometimes on my 360 videos even though they’re in 4K. I’ll check them out.

  • @darladowhaniuk1969
    @darladowhaniuk1969 2 месяца назад

    Wow if i paid as much as you did for it i would have been furious...you got more patients than i have. I think i would have turned around took it back and demanded on a refund. For the amount you paid you shouldnt have to be doing so many fix ' its. Its like paying the full price for solid good quality and then finding out you just bought a thrown together wish washy builders.

  • @michellewinkler3985
    @michellewinkler3985 2 месяца назад

    Nice! In our 2023 Freedom Express 294BHDS, here's a list of what we did back to front: Removed "stand up" stair for more room in the back, took off 2 cabinet doors, built a frame, and added a fireplace with shiplap front, added a larger LG smart TV and had to remount the TV base, added a Lugun table base so now there are no legs under the dinette and it can swing left or right to get into the back of the trailer when the slide is closed, and painted the slide door into the front bathroom oyster white to match the upholestry, spent about 9 hours completely removing all the outside decals so they won't fade in the future. I like your shelf ideas!

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 2 месяца назад

      Sounds like you've done some nice mods as well...the shelves were the best and most convenient for our clothes...so much better use of the space. Thanks for watching!

  • @laugzarcade
    @laugzarcade 2 месяца назад

    Great video! my wife and I have a 30BHS as well. Wondering for the dinette remodel where did you get that couch from? Also wondering where you got the covers for the sink too. thank you!

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 2 месяца назад

      Hey, thanks! Couch came from a store called American Furniture Warehouse…they have a few different sizes, but this one measured perfectly. We use a 5’ folding table that stores next to the recliners. It’s actually a quicker setup than what we used to have. The sink covers came with the trailer when we purchased it.

    • @laugzarcade
      @laugzarcade 2 месяца назад

      @@CampingandCoffee thank you!

  • @user-qv4ph1co6t
    @user-qv4ph1co6t 2 месяца назад

    So long cougar

  • @chicagochris1988
    @chicagochris1988 2 месяца назад

    I purchased a gulfstream 19csk just for me since I’m single and travel alone on the weekends when I’m not driving my semitruck. I’ve had it a few months and have had absolutely nothing wrong with it. After seeing all these videos of different manufacturers I’m glad I went with gulfstream they truly made sure everything was good before they sent it to a dealer. I’m actually not renewing my lease and gonna live in it full time

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 2 месяца назад

      Well, I wish you nothing but the best and good to hear about Gulfstream. Thanks for sharing!

  • @jameslankford7037
    @jameslankford7037 2 месяца назад

    That is cool but they might want to get a lift kit and some heavy duty shocks put on that vehicle 😮

  • @lwaddle4510
    @lwaddle4510 3 месяца назад

    We were sold on getting the Cougar 260MLE but after watching your video and finding literally hundreds of complaints about the Cougar and other Keystone products, we decided definitely no. After MUCH research, we decided on a Brinkley 5th wheel. It does cost more than we originally wanted to spend, but from first hand knowledge of Brinkley owners we decided it’s worth the extra cost for a well built rig. I will never buy an rv expecting perfection, but hopefully the repairs and upkeep will be minimal. We are trading our 2016 Lance which has been an excellent trailer over the years with very few easily fixed issues. If the Brinkley is as good as our Lance was, I’ll be a very happy camper.

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 3 месяца назад

      Obviously no RV is perfect, but there have definitely been some concerns that I don't think we'd purchase a Cougar again. Wish you much success and enjoy your new one!

  • @MrMatthewgross
    @MrMatthewgross 3 месяца назад

    I just spent 47 grand on a brand new Forest River Vibe 34xl. It has taken me months to fix all the things I found wrong. First I contacted dealer but wait times and negotiating what they would and wouldn't do was exhausting. I build houses for a living so I have the basic knowledge to fix everything. For starters I had to replace the on-demand water heater I made the dealer give me a brand new one and I just installed it myself. I had to go through the whole rig pulling access panels to tighten up plumbing fittings everywhere even the drain under the shower was loose. I knew going in that I'd have to button up a few things but I was really dismayed at how little care was taken on the build of this rig. I do have everything the way I want it now and love the rv. I will say if I ever buy one again I will do a better job inspecting everything on the walkthrough. I didn't look hard enough because I couldn't imagine that the things I found would be wrong. It's just sad when you spend almost 50 grand. Unfortunately I think this is the norm across the board with these brands and price point.

    • @CampingandCoffee
      @CampingandCoffee 3 месяца назад

      Yeah, it's tough when you spend that kind of money...wish you the best in getting it fixed and enjoying the results!

  • @laurelhelding2083
    @laurelhelding2083 3 месяца назад

    Our floor has squeaks. Had it in came back with squeaks.

  • @leftcoastdrifter
    @leftcoastdrifter 4 месяца назад

    We bought a BRAND NEW 32BHS and had problems before we even got it home. It has only gotten worse since.

  • @JefferyYoung-zg7xn
    @JefferyYoung-zg7xn 4 месяца назад

    I found that condensation on the front window was really bad and that cavity would fill up with water

  • @JefferyYoung-zg7xn
    @JefferyYoung-zg7xn 4 месяца назад

    My gray and black tank labels were wrong

  • @reallymatt6494
    @reallymatt6494 4 месяца назад

    What model do you have?

  • @bobdrawbaugh4207
    @bobdrawbaugh4207 4 месяца назад

    Isn’t keystone owned by Thor? We looked at some of their motorhomes. They were just trash. Most looked like they were home made. The fit and finish were worse than anything I’ve seen.

  • @luvRVing
    @luvRVing 4 месяца назад

    Ok, I have had enough...I am not buying a keystone!!!!!

  • @WilliamDavis-ee4ek
    @WilliamDavis-ee4ek 4 месяца назад

    I've had so many problems with my cougar the first six months, they have no quality control at all especially for the money I paid for this unit. Keystone is horrible.

  • @wstreet46
    @wstreet46 4 месяца назад

    I’m looking at purchasing the 30BHS, should I look at a different model