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Yep there's a definite possibility he became more sexual after the war (prior to his service his life wasn't as documented since he was like anyone else and cared for his privacy clearly). Hence why there's less public records prior and after service.

Caroline Smith Upsets me also Still remembered in 21st century rip to him Regards from Australia

HI No it's not! Read ' The Hadj' by Leon Uris! And my own brother was nearly kidnapped in Aden by Arabs at the age of 14 [ and very young and handsome ] during our stay there after we were shipwrecked on our way to Australia in 1958. Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua

@@toosiyabrandt8676 Sounds pretty 'fantastical'

Ever seen a Prison movie? Male Rape seldom has anything to do with sexual orientation. It's about Power. And shaming the Victim.

Not unsurprising in Turkey. It's gay in the mind of the Turkish military to be 'screwed' by a man, but if you're the one penetrating, you're straight in their view. In their mindset: the other man is the taking the position of a women - the penetrated.

@downunderrob Yep rape rarely is sexual attraction (it does exist but often it's to dominate and lessen someone by 'breaking' the victim).

He detailed it because it affected him for the rest of his life. It was a crucial moment.

@@UnpleasantlyPeasantly is this incident actually occured ? or T.E. Lawrance made it up as a sexual fantasy of him?

@@omerkaraman7564 The incident ocurred. Some of the details may be skewed, and the editor did tell him to tone it down a bit, but a significant amount of evidence points to it being real.

So what if he was*you sound so JEALOUS OF HIM..🙄🙄

It's obvious if you yourself are gay and find the man attractive...

Lawrence died at age 45, I believe.

Viewed through the eyes of a 15 year old, Lawrence might have appeared old.

@@Gypsy1194 That and going through the heat and active serving as a spy likely ages you.

How old are you

We all know how psychopaths reject promotions and honours. Typical psychopathic behaviour.

@@LOLERXP My grandfather was there, fighting the Turks & Senussi Arabs & gave me a book on Allenby's campaigns > 2 mentions of Lawrence so I sold it cheap & found he authored it. My grandfather said Lawrence was hyped up & other men did better. As a minor aristo my grandfather supplied "ladies of the night! for kings George V & VI and their posh pals & placed unwanted kids, of whom I was one.

Exactly. It appears that at that point he made the nearly fatal error in believing in his own mythology. I think that his mind fragmented.

According to some of the men he served with, Lawrence always preferred to do recon himself, A) because he wanted to gain first hand knowledge of the area and B) because he preferred to put himself in danger rather than risk someone else's life.

I heard of a book I would like to read but couldn’t find “Mailed Fist” by John Foley. I think it describes bravery of British officers standing in the line of fire oblivious to their own safety.

@@david2284180 'The Eton Fist' is an insightful read, it explores the sadomasochistic homosexuality common amongst the English officer class. 💐

@@Johnconno everybody's gay according to the left Amazing anyone had children

Thanks. It was the most interesting time, and I enjoyed your story.

@@Johnconno Thanks. I will find it, and read it.

There is a soldier's diary entry that seems to indicate that Lawrence was driving in Akaba at the time, however this evidence has been discredited by Jeremy Wilson (the date it was entered was not the actual day it occurred). It would be very odd/careless of Lawrence to lie about being in Deraa on November 20th if he'd been in Akaba/Cairo at the time, given that there would have been multiple people who could have easily disproven this.

If I remember correctly, Lawrence's entries for these dates were ripped out of his diary. The question is, why? It doesn't seem likely it was because he wanted to try and blot out all memory of the incident, because he later wrote about it in such detail. Was it because those entries could have proved that he wasn't in Deraa?

Whether he exaggerated the incident, it did affect him, and this was noted by those around him. Whether he was 'just' sexual abused or raped the once, for that man, at that time (when sex was a very taboo subject) was enough to have a profound effect on his life from there on in.

He had scars all over his back from the beatings and torture. He didn’t lie about the rape that took place.

...or a fluent recollection of a real event

Given the stigma that a male rape victim would have faced when this was written (loss of reputation, the assumption that he was weak for not defending himself, that he was homosexual etc.), why would he have made this up and shared it with the world? He had nothing to gain from fabricating a story like this.

Because it increases his fame and attracts sympathy when he has long gone. Plus don’t forget there would be no stigma attached because his alleged experience was totally out of his control and direction according to his story. The wounds he would have physically suffered, especially in those times and in that environment, he would have likely contracted other diseases and medical issues associated with his injuries resulting in possible death as a consequence, none of which he mentions. Listen to the whole ‘experience’ again and then tell me you would not require urgent immediate professional modern hospital care to stop these side effects occurring. The Man was a Narcissist. This was just another story to cement his name

@@GRACEORTLawrence was the most famous living person in the English speaking world before he even wrote the book. By the time he finished it, he was shunning fame, not seeking it. He did seek medical attention, I believe from Dr Marshall at Akaba. After being stabbed, flogged more than twenty times over ten minutes, severely kicked in the ribs etc his wounds would have been serious, but not necessarily life threatening. He was able to walk and ride afterwards. Stigma against male sexual assault victims persists to this day, and would have been much worse in Lawrences day. Elements of his account are consistent with what is now known about experiences of sexual assault: he seems to describe dissociation, involuntary arousal, and physical numbness, and heightened startle responses immediately after. Having read hundreds of Lawrence's own letters, (written from the time he was a child to just before his death), as well as the accounts of dozens of people from all walks of life who worked with him or were his close friends, I've found nothing to indicate that he was a narcissist.

That’s funny. Btw how did the choice of your username come to be?

Very Informative. But the man was viciously abused in Daraa. Much harder to recover from than mere ..'PTSD , shell shock...'.

A mystery is far more fetching than certainty.

@@degsbabe I'm a former soldier with ptsd. There is nothing " mere" about it...

@@jamesdean8669 I respect that. But I can't quite believe it compares to what Lawrence had to suffer .

@@degsbabeI'd say any serious trauma that includes sexual abuse on top of what T.E. Lawrence experienced during the war would be considered PTSD . Like most things around Lawrence we will probably never know and myself, like so many others can only imagine . All the best my friend.

Dan Berkey,what other book of Lawrence is a good one to read please!,I’ve read”A leaf in the wind”I love it because it was a story,I don’t want to read about him in Saudi Arabia”thanks”I been to Lawrence’s grave”overwhelming being there,and the church where he had his Service”Phenomenal”I’ve also seen the Trolly his Coffin was on”Lawrence has ALWAYS intrigued me,special place in my heart.❤️❤️

He wrote, The Mint about his time in the RAF.

that academic Palestinian .. an Oxford ....considered T.E.Lawrence ...a person that could put ...the Arab head dress and then be with the British...? Others considered that aspect. With indifference...? lately I read..The War with Palestine...and that Oxford fellow...whom said ...that ,,Lawrence...was ..racist...?.....

I go to Lawrence’s Grave often as I can(Moreton Village Dorchester Dorset),and what an honour to be there,beautiful village to visit..

Would you rather be tortured in Pakistan or Guantanamo? Flown there by the Americans or English? Being tortured is the same anywhere in the world.