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Welcome! This video won't mean anything to you until much later. Try my "X4 Oversimplified" series instead!

Practically impossible. Even with a full 5-star squad the success rate is only about 50%. With a 2-star squad, I imagine the chance is in the low single digits.

Yep. There are a couple of devs who regularly show up in my comment section - mostly when I make mistakes. They also discuss my suggestions with me on the forums. Still, I like to make my biggest projects public - less of an echo chamber that way.

My understanding is that the model you're referring to relied on a few things that X4 simply doesn't have: 1) mass distribution of ship models, 2) thrust distribution from individual engines and thrusters, and 3) variable performance from individual thrusters, including damage. X4 doesn't have any of that; physics-wise, ships are just points with mass and thrust values, and the ship's model is just a hitbox clipped onto that point. To implement the SC flight model, Egosoft would have had to rebuild half the game from the ground up, and even then it probably wouldn't have run due to the number of ships being simultaneously simulated on one PC. That's my understanding, at least. Even if they'd wanted to recreate the SC model - which I doubt - it wouldn't have been possible in X4. I know I'm responding to your comments out of order. I'm at the mercy of RUclips's creator UI.

There's a lot of misinformation floating around about the new flight model. Egosoft has never stated or implied that they were making a 6DOF flight model, an active Newtonian physics simulation, or anything of the sort. Their official statement was that they contracted John Pritchett to help them with some of the mathematics associated with the flight model overhaul. That's all. Anyone who says anything else is just making things up. If you're interested in how the new flight model works, I have a detailed analysis on my channel. It should be the video immediately before this one.

@ I watched it! Unfortunately, my interest in X4 was highly contingent on the flight model becoming much closer to Pritchett’s now lost SC flight model. In particular, the introduction of unpredictable and seemingly random “space magic” thruster forces to the FA off mode means my hoped for gameplay (6DOF carrier based dog fighting) is unavailable. I appreciate your answer, and really admire the content you’re making for your community. For all X4 has accomplished, I just don’t have an interest in yet another space game where the ships aren’t space ships.

I have a v7.0 test of destroyers in the conditions you're describing. That video is called "E's Against the Odds". This video does not replicate that test, it replicates a very different test with a much higher difficulty level, shown in a video called "Bang For Your Buck". The harder test is more useful as a statistical baseline, which is why I replicated it instead of the other one.

If Missiles First has been affected by the turret bug, then you can try Missiles Only. If that doesn't work, then no, there is no missile defense option on the affected ship(s). Sometimes you can fix it by teleporting away and then back again, or saving and reloading the game. Alternatively, you can update to the public beta. NPC ships are still heavily affected by the turret bug, but I haven't seen it on my ships yet.

That was true a long time ago, but these days destroyers are "smart" enough to not choose firing positions based on their M turrets (when attacking stations). I believe they pick their firing positions based on a certain percentage of main battery range, and if that happens to put them within range for some of their turrets, that's icing on the cake. That's all in theory. I'm sure it's possible for them to bug out and decide that flak is the best anti-station weapon. If I'm making a dedicated anti-station ship, I put the turrets on "X Only" instead of "X First", just to reduce the risk of that happening.

@@CptSnuggles07 Thanks for getting back with me. I'll start changing out some of my turret orders then. Another question: In your experience, what's the best way in a large scale battle to keep interceptors from attacking station defense drones? I still want them to protect destroyers from ships, but these morons keep suiciding into the station turrets to attack drones that won't do anything to a destroyer.

@@stephenmcorby You can switch the escorts over to Defend instead of Intercept to make them a little less suicidal, but the best way is to just not have escorts assigned to the destroyers. I keep a separate group of picket ships behind the main station attack force to prevent outside interference. Rays are my go-to picket ships, but fighters on Position Defense would also work, as would fighters on Attack assigned to a larger ship on Defend Position.

Every marine you purchase from VIG or RIP has a ~30% chance to be a veteran. So, if your ship has a crew capacity of 100 and you hire a full shipload of marines, about 30 will be veterans. "Sell" the other 70 back to the shipyard, then hire 70 new marines. ~20 will be veterans, so you now have ~50. "Sell" the other 50 back to the shipyard, then hire 50 new marines. ~15 will be veterans, so you now have ~65. You get the idea.

Well they are working on almost everything I brought up in this video, so I'm hopeful that we'll be back at or near 7.1 AI performance by the end of the beta. If that's the case, improvements in other areas should make the patch a net improvement for the game. Beta testers just have to keep fighting the good fight.

I adore and eternally grateful for your and other beta-testers effort very much. But I struggle with myself here. I want to begin gaming again, but X4 can't stop with it's lifecycle :) First I've waited for ToA DLC to stabilize, then for Boron and TL :\ Will it ever end? And as an additional salt on my wounded soul mods lagging behind all the new versions of the game. It's not in any way a negative feedback to modders. They are also amazing people, world would not be the same without dem. But daaaarn... *end of rant*

"I hope the final patch will be optional to install" It won't. That's the downside to the base game updating to allow further DLCs to install. Also Steam will not allow you to do that, except by careful changing of the defaults to keep that, and only that, version. GoG at least you can download a version and then keep that version no matter what, but there's only space for "the current version" on GoG servers. But any bugfixes and any future DLC will REQUIRE that patch to be installed. This is why I think maybe they ought to eschew the flight model in this patch, it isn't even seriously at beta quality, even if only because there are so many other things that changes because the flight model changed. This is also why it can be understood, however frustrating, that things don't get in to a release or patch: you say "change this one thing" and its corollary is something else changes but as an outsider you can't know, and maybe as the one making the idea up, the wearer of those rose tinted glasses that insist your change is good because you thought of it so it must be good (circular reasoning), and you never once thought of the consequence of adopting your change because it would make it harder to make your good and totally easy idea a thing to write in. Throwing out the flight model as a release makes this release really small, but the change includes a thing I think is both warranted and makes "end game" so much more pleasant: reordering ships automatically. I'd pick that. Except picking it makes you HAVE TO micromanage more and makes you HAVE TO accept a change that makes most ships in "proper fleets" less useful than before (so much more refusing to write for). If you fly your own small fighter, the changes may well make you much more capable than in 7.10, because the fleets that would then give you the most trouble are less able to fight you. Get the GoG version or in Steam, for as long as your CURRENT OS INSTALL EXISTS (and it works with Steam itself, not just X4), set it to NEVER update and then mothball any further purchases for any DLC for X4. Not good, even for yourself, and worse for Egosoft. But that is all you have to not have the half-working flight model changes installed will ye or nil ye.

GoG version allows you to use an offline installation, a fairly large download of the entire game as a snapshot, fully installable and standalone. Even if you muff things up, you can reinstall that specific and particular version over top of the one you mistakenly updated.

@ Yeah, I got Steam version, not going to pay again for the same game just to keep it in a playable version. I never had time to play Elite Dangerous, then I may be thankful to Egosoft for the opportunity. Latest X4 DLC was really bad, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the development changed to such bad course. Thank you guys for all advices :)

I often wish there was away for players to get such hints in-game. Why doesn't Dal Busta or a new person have advice on ship compositions for me? There could be basic conversations like "advice on ships" -> "against fleets and capital ships" and then that consultant or admiral or whatever gives out basic facts like "fighters will win per credit, but profit greatly from carriers". I know that would be hard to change if the balance ever changes too much, but they could at least send you an e-mail in game with advice. OR: we use an AI voice. Hey, where did the geometric owl AI go again?

There are people who play entirely differently. The Rugged Gamer plays mostly CPU grinding away while he does his REAL job as trucker, so the game is running as pure simulation. Ragnos28 runs it as a fleet simulator where he ALWAYS stands on the carrier and looks out the window. I play as me being the pilot, and the rest of my ships are purely for OOS combat (or flee) or as spare guns to slow down the dogpiling. Devs probably do it an entirely different way. As you too. The strength of X4 is that a single game can enable that. The big flaw of X4 is that we can do that. How do you playtest 100s of different ways of playing with just a few dozen players who have to also do all the coding? So they Beta Release. IMO they need to have a Gamma Release too, and the Beta version is "Well we may change anything, forward or backwards, as we find things out", and it is only the Gamma release that is "a normal open beta" as generally understood.

I think missiles need to be considered first. However there's a lot more variables. How many missiles, how many targets, we not only have three completely different launchers with Mk1 and Mk2 versions, but several different types of missile in each. And anti-missile missiles or anti-missile beams. Etc. However, a good fleet composition might be thought up, but then there aren't any orders to enable it "automatically", so you have to micromanage orders. E.g. using an EMP equipped bomber to take capital ships out of travel mode, splitting up the enemy fleet, and delaying some or all of them while you arrange your fleet. But not 100km away, not even 20km away necessarily. Can light torpedoes be used against M class ships? Can they be used against S class? Can trackers split and break up an enemy formation group? Can dumbfires be useful against capitals? And how about those explodey split dumbfires against stations? Could Rattlesnake doctrines be "your main guns for Xenon capital ships, your missiles for stations"?

Judging by the performance of the H, I would imagine so. Their defensive stats are very weak though, so I'd still hesitate to put them in a heavy combat role. You'd probably be better off fielding a better-shielded destroyer with its main batteries removed.

I heard from them on the forums, and they are working on a destroyer fix for Beta 6. Not sure exactly how many of the issues it will address, but it seems like it will at least reduce the rate of repositioning.

@ i hear ya, but the reality is that Destroyers are in desperate need of a big buff. Because unless player flown they’re just big expensive buckets made of explodium. 🤷‍♀️ which is a shame because they should feel like the proper (end-game) backbone of fleets instead of the weakest part of it.

That is true for Coordinate Attack, which was the least effective station attack command I tested in 7.0 and in 7.5 Beta 4. In Beta 5 (the footage and data shown), I only used the most effective command from Beta 4, which was the default fleet attack order.

@@CptSnuggles07 It may be that the devs want "Coordinated Attack" to BE the best option (and appear to nerf "Attack" to do so). See also how the launch tubes of some carriers do not get used in CA orders.

It doesn't make sense to me to nerf ship models to balance Xenon strength. Should just nerf faction military quantity and production growth rate with a curve. So they can't mop up the Xenon right away. Nerfing ships means also making the player less capable of dealing with Xenon.

Corporate sabotage seems a little extreme. They've greatly expanded their team fairly recently, and this is probably the first major update that a lot of the new hires have worked on. My personal theory is that the issues are due to inexperience, not any kind of deliberate self-sabotage. As for why they're pushing this update before more "X4-style" content, I'd guess that this is just the timeframe during which they were able to get John Pritchett under contract. The timing is a little silly relative to the surrounding updates, but sometimes that's just how contract labor goes. Again, just my personal theory; I could be completely wrong. I don't think the issues are deliberate though.

@@CptSnuggles07 IMO the problem here is they paid for a VERY expensive person to redo their flight model, and since there were some DEMANDING that the flight model be changed (with no pushback), that led to this change being pushed out, before any of the scripts (which were also being changed to not be quite so daft) could be changed to the new characteristics that this flight model change means. THAT sort of inexperience, not necessarily "we are unsure how to code this", inexperience because they didn't look at the change, they looked at how much they'd spent for the change to be possible.

It's more like complaining that the units the game have don't fulfill the roles they're designed to fill and are effectively useless. Telling people to ignore in-sector combat and just play the game like an RTS is not solving the problem, it's avoiding a core feature that has been part of the series since the very first release, and functioned better in every release before X4. X:Rebirth could accomplish this task. X3 despite all it's flaws also functions with or without mods. Why can't X4?

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@ many thanks !!!!!!

Or use X4 to work out how to make fixed guns work. Turrets miss a lot. Capitals are large, especially Xenon capital ships, which makes up for turrets being bad. But it means that capital ships are REALLY weak against fighters, because they cannot reliably hit them.