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I think Symmetra suffered due to a very casual Shooter heavy fanbase that went into Overwatch. A lot of CoD, and MW players who expect healing when they see Support. It was literally the biggest complaint. Symmetra should be reworked again and be made into like, basically a healer that uses preventative shielding. She cannot ACTUALLY raise your HP, but she grants the team shields on shields on shields. A nifty way to have presence without just being like "healing go brr".

Thy end is now

Calling Loba a bad support is actually insane lmao. Yes, Loba's core value comes from her relationship with loot. But what you're neglecting is the fact that Looting is an incredibly incredibly incredibly important part of the gameplay look in a Battle Royale and Apex especially. Allowing Allies to quickly survey ALL the loot in a POI, select two items, grab as much ammo as they want/is available in the surrounding area, and the ability to track the general direction of items so you can get more than 2 items with a few extra steps, is incredibly valuable. Added to that is her passive which can be used to find equipment for your allies, can be used to tell if enemies are nearby (seeing loot picked up through walls will clue you in and let you know that another team right there), adds a unique and nuanced level to her teamplay. Her bracelet, as simple as you made it sound, is INCREDIBLY useful. It can be used to play aggressive and push fights. She can use it to take height over enemies. It can be used to reposition to a downed teammate behind cover to get a rez off. Or it can be used as her escape card when the battle takes a turn for the worse. Being able to teleport distances from safety is incredibly valuable in a very movement focused BR like Apex. Her bracelet, paired with the concept of crafting banners and her ultimate+passive, makes her one of, if not the best, legend when it comes to full team resets. For a Battle Royale like Apex, Loba is THE support if we're not talking healing.

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"i wonder what drugs had hakita taiken when making this level"

Put me down! 20:16

The SCP is a Guy In The Chair

I genuinely hate that invisible women heals, at the very least shield your teamates? Why is she healing them? Especially when her kit is full of non healing support like turning them invisible, pushing and pulling enemies, shielding teamates ect she should not heal and instead shield at the very least

saints prob next but im so curious to see you take on inv's campaign

rainwork

Seeing this, I didn't even think to actually attack the eyes with a weapon. I always punched them with KB

everybody's calling out the iron lung reference, but so few mention blahaj. We truly live in a society.

Need me more of these kinds of videos, discussing the goddamn elephant in the damn room. Supports are NOT healers, healers are supports, being a goddamn support doesn't mean the character is a goddamn bloodbank for someone to siphon back their health to max, the fuckers can debuff enemies or provide other forms of interesting effects to aid the team. I wish game developers did something interesting with supports.

Supports that don't heal? That's all of them whenever i play ranked

Demo man would’ve fit artificer better (gameplay wise)

you just introduced me to a type of game IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR AGES NOW. ive been wanting a game thats exactly what that secret lab game is. you described it. that support character is what ive been looking for. im going to play it asap. and it's free?? bye!

you might as well have spoiled everything because you PREDICTED EVERYTHING ANYWAYS

Playing Loba mostly in Mixtape and ignoring how great of an escapist her bracelet makes her to go craft banners, in addition to helping her join her team faster/fall back if necessary/take off angles mid-combat, while her black market helps the team be fully equipped faster with their favorite loadout/reset after being respawned sure has to make her feel worthless. It’s kind of disingenuous to talk about the class passives she benefits from, yet completely disregarding the way her kit ties into it, and saying “characters are defined and picked based on their tactical and ultimate abilities, not the passive” before going “I’m sure y’all don’t ping loot through walls!!” too. Even if her passive isn’t the best, I’ve still been able to warn about an enemy team by seeing loot disappear through walls, and I’ve helped plenty of teammates by picking up attachments they needed and dropping them next to them. If I’m on my way to revive them and I see a purple/gold attachment they’ll need, I go out of my way to pick it up too. Passives in Apex are far from irrelevant anyway (Lifeline, Newcastle, Valkirie, Horizon, Ballistic, etc. all have meta or character-defining passives) that I really don’t get why you would just ignore 1/3rd of a character’s kit when talking about their utility. Same for the perks, which are now an integral part of the game and character balancing. In any case, the section about Apex and Loba completely misses the mark and shows a clear bias towards the character. It’s telling enough that you had no idea banner crafting has been made available for any class two whole months ago, at the release of S23, and decided to skip over the new support class perks that benefit Loba and Conduit, both support characters who don’t have a specialized revive passive. But all of that doesn’t matter as Loba’s been basically reworked this week and anything in this video doesn’t apply anymore. She’s currently top 1 in pick rates. Now hopefully you can take this comment as a way to have an healthy discussion on the topic and admit that some points were not made in good faith, rather than delete it again to censor fair criticism.

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i have the urge to call the shark a blaháj | idk if i misspelled it |

Bard from league is a support with a really cool design

Its not a competitive game but as someone who mainly play support characters in shooters, ZZZ was a breath of fresh air for me. The only true "healer" is an npc you can't control, other than that most supports provide buffs or weaken the enemy/enflict attributes. Its fun not having a designated "nah uh" character that can undo any damage taken at the click of a button. I really wish more fps shooter would make support characters that can't just spam you full of heals and call it a day.

I think part of the problem was that Sym's shield was nerfed pretty early in the game, to prevent double Sym from being oppressive, only for Blizzard to prevent stacking of hero's and not rebuff her. They did the same thing to Winston. Where his bubble's health was gutted to deal with stacking Winston's, only for him to languish as a sub-standard tank for what felt like a solid chunk of time, until eventually they were reminded, and cut the bubbles cooldown to make it's uptime viable again.

We need more rainworld content im figuring out a way to make vids on ps5 and make rainworld content but i would have to restart

1:43 how does bro have access to guttermen

goated for mentioning all the songs used

when he realizes that the hollow knight/pure vessel is ghost's(player) older brother

20:18 i had the same reaction XD

In Heroes of the Storm they have a healer and support category just because of this. The supports from that game are really cool and interesting.

Imagine if you unlocked another secret level after P ranking all prime sanctums, P-P Yes I want to be able to say I beat PP

Evolve stage 2 has Healer, Support, Damage and Scout roles. Support there often provides protection, some bust you're damage and other staff. Scout is kinda disruptive support that traps Monster, hooks him, slows down and show Monster location on map Pretty fun and amazing game

i agree with u as symmetra things but the pain point is role selection with/out this thing players trend to need more heal (instead of avoiding dmg -try to survive on their own ,not commit 1v6 things) so in the end those players will call for more healing in pov 1healer+1support is not sufficient for them. --kinda poor grammar sry.

please do survivor with slugpups and look for them

What Sym probably needed in Overwatch to not be the target of scorn or mockery when picking her as support was a simple turret that could heal, like exactly the kind of thing they put into Illaris kit.

I think the core focus for how to make a non healing support is to look at the core mechanics of your game. In Wildermyth, which is like a combination of roguelike and dnd games, the mystic class resembles the standard spell caster class from rpgs. Instead of having resources like mana, cooldowns, or spell slots, they use their environment as their resources. So their main mechanic is that they interfuse with objects to gain spells to use. There is a limit to how many objects you can fuse with, and there is a max range where you can still be fused with the object. The attacks used from an object come directly from the object and result in the object also taking damage. Where the interesting part comes into play is that since the attacks come from the direction of the object, they can trigger flanking bonuses by fusing with an object and hitting the enemy from the back to allow all the allies facing the front of the enemy to do bonus damage. The downside is that they have weaker health and speed, reducing their ability to take space to attack their enemies. Due to the roguelike elements, your characters get many ways to change their playstyle. Due to the mystic’s unique kit they get access to a very diverse pool. They can root enemies and go invisible, they can provide defensive utility through shields and damage reduction, they can buff their allies or themselves with bonus damage or provide free attacks in certain conditions. There’s one talent which lets you make plants anywhere which is good because they block movement and fusing with plants allows you to pull enemies to the plants, making them the best for controlling enemy positioning in the game. Some fusions are much weaker or less reliable/consistent than others, which is part of the strategy of how you want to manage your positioning, enemy positioning and which objects are nearby

7:34 Is that what i think it is?

Ultimately the non-healing support problem in hero shooters (and games with a support class) is that much of the game and character design revolves around the team getting a steady source of healing, and the only characters that do that are the supports. If you make individual characters more self-reliant for out of combat healing then you suddenly get a lot of extra room for non-healing supports... and in my opinion a much better, less stressful support experience overall. Team Fortress 2 is a great example here: while most hero shooters have health packs, TF2's are extremely generously placed around the map and sources of healing from other characters is scarce (on a 12 man team you're lucky to have 2 medics): The default response to being low health in Team Fortress 2 is to go grab a health pack, giving the medics and engineers time to be selective about who they heal or what they spend their time doing. In a perfect world, supports should be able to spend a significant amount of time using the parts of their kit that don't heal without having to worry about their team falling apart and them getting verbally harassed by the rest of their team.

This being made before Loba’s huge buff is hilarious

The biggest slap in Symmetras face was that she received 0 balance changes or attempts to make her work before she was fully reworked, she had things in kit that had so much potential that could potentially even work with number adjustments but nah not even a chance from blizzard

i feel like engie from tf2 is a good honorable mention of a support character even tho his dispenser does heal.