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Horizontal Long Beehive Design with option to stack 8-frame supers
This beehive design is a blending of many designs that I saw on youtube videos. The design is for a horizontal long beehive with stacked supers and a feeder shim design from Frederick Dunn's youtube channel. The design has many advantages.
I was a beekeeper for years, but have not worked with bees for 20 years now. I worked on the Big Island of Hawaii with Kiawe hone and in Oregon with Fireweed honey at high elevations. I miss beekeeping. Yet I can enjoy it virtually through designing a hive.
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Видео

Projected path of inflation as Fed rates rises
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This video uses a system dynamics model to project the path of inflation if the Fed rate was to rise 0.25% per quarter.
Long Run Fisher Effect creates Inflationary Distortions
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This video explains a model for the Fisher Effect to distort inflation over time. The model is based on System dynamics.
Fisher Effect model using System Dynamics
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This video gives a model of System Dynamics to show the Fisher Effect. The path of CPI inflation generated by the model matches the path of CPI inflation since 2010.
How Fed can raise Fed rate without unwinding reserves
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How Fed can raise Fed rate without unwinding reserves
Net exports & Labor share show effective demand limit
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Labor share shows the efective demand limit on capacity utilization, but net exports also shows the effective demand limit.
The Fed rate journey up to the crisis (part 3)
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This video follows the Fed rate from 1997 to 2008. Was the Fed rate too low in 2003? Was the Fed acting properly? When did they know that the natural level of real GDP had shifted?
The Fed rate journey to the future (part 4)
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. This video shows the path of the Fed rate from 2006 to 2013. And then talks about the problems going forward. The Fed does not see the effective demand limit sitting close ahead.
Fed rate is stabilized after Volcker recession (part 2)
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Inflation got out of hand in the late 1970's. The Fed brought inflation back under control by 1995. This video shows the final stages in bringing inflation back under control.
The Fed rate through the Volcker recession (part 1)
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This video shows a model using natural interest rates to explain how the Fed brought down inflation from the 1970's to the 1990's.
Natural real interest rates and secular stagnation
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This video explains real interest rates, natural real interests, negative real interest rates, secular stagnation and more...
Natural real interest rates plus inflation targets
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This video explains real interest rates, natural real interests, negative real interest rates, secular stagnation and more...
The center of the Biz cycle as a % of producive capacity
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This video explores a new equation and focuses on the g variable in the equation.
Potential GDP reflects Labor Share in business cycle
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This video explains the relationship between potential GDP and labor share using the business cycle.
real gdp update 3Q13
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real gdp update 3Q13
A case for raising interest rates in order to raise real GDP
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A case for raising interest rates in order to raise real GDP
Labor and capital incomes in the money market
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Labor and capital incomes in the money market
Looking at the natural rate of unemployment in the Cobra equation
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Looking at the natural rate of unemployment in the Cobra equation
The Cobra equation to explain the business cycle with effective demand
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The Cobra equation to explain the business cycle with effective demand
3 dimensional graph of effective demand that shows path to recession
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3 dimensional graph of effective demand that shows path to recession
3D graph of dynamic for Effective Demand
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3D graph of dynamic for Effective Demand
Raising taxes on capital income would have offsetting consequences on equilibrium level of real GDP
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Raising taxes on capital income would have offsetting consequences on equilibrium level of real GDP
Does effective demand limit rise if capital is taxed more?
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Does effective demand limit rise if capital is taxed more?
Intro to Dynamic model of Circular Flow for Effective Demand
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Intro to Dynamic model of Circular Flow for Effective Demand
Real GDP heading toward the Effective Demand limit
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Real GDP heading toward the Effective Demand limit
The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 4)
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The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 4)
The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 3)
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The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 3)
The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 2)
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The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 2)
The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 1)
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The Multiple Project Cooperative: the income statement (part 1)
The Multiple Project Cooperative: The basics, part 2, Advantages & Benefits
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The Multiple Project Cooperative: The basics, part 2, Advantages & Benefits

Комментарии

  • @steverochon1620
    @steverochon1620 Месяц назад

    Intriguing video, and comes at a time when I am committing to making a horizontal hive for use next spring. Regarding your attempt to slow down the movement of cold air in the feeder shim during winter; you mention filling the holes with a steel wool type of material. Would partially closing the vent gates not accomplish that? This is very impressive work.

  • @nipatel1760
    @nipatel1760 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for this great video. I am guessing it was 10 years too early but really important right now. Capital is choosing to raise prices now but I think real GDP will eventually win out and rise thanks to demand for alternative products by the public. I just hope the Fed stays the course and doesn't cave to capital markets and those who choose to shoot themselves in the foot.

  • @beebob1279
    @beebob1279 4 месяца назад

    Nice design. The feeder towers are too complicated. Keep beekeeping simple, not complex.

  • @wakamoli8248
    @wakamoli8248 Год назад

    I agrred on some of the comments, it's best to keep it simple. I made a long horizontal hive myself about 2 years ago with a lower sliding bottom box that are divided into 4 separate sliders because my sticky mite sheets are standard sizes. the length of my hive is equivalent to 4 hive boxes side by side, only the side walls are attached with 3 dividers.

  • @joem3358
    @joem3358 Год назад

    ametuer beekeeper here and an engineer. You did a remarkable job with your design. As with a few I feel its is over designed and you overlooked a few simple things. 1. entrance on both sides. Bad for the keeper{working in the launch path) and bad for the bees in a northern climate which I assume you must be since your focus in video was hive warmth. The entrances should always be on the sunny side for winter(same side). 2. feed boxes, nix them. make your box 4 -8 frames longer to hold frame feeders. much cheaper and keeps the food closer to the hive heat. its cheaper, more effiecient and fewer parts to deal with.. The gem of this was your super placement, allowing the long to feed and supers are profit

  • @beebob1279
    @beebob1279 2 года назад

    Thumbs up for the work you did. My issue is that it's way over designed. There's too much to it. Have you actually tried this? How was the work getting it together? I particularly like the stand with basically the option to use a mite board.

    • @JayCWhiteCloud
      @JayCWhiteCloud 2 года назад

      Agreed...overthought...overdesigned...reinvented wheel that really isn't well thought out by comparison to traditional hives (not comparing to modern box hive nonsense...)...or one could suggest..." analysis paralysis."

    • @CrazyIvan865
      @CrazyIvan865 Месяц назад

      ​@@JayCWhiteCloudboy do I know what you mean by over-engineering and reinventing the wheel. Alone with Analysis paralysis. But every time someone tells me "don't try to reinvent the wheel" my thoughts are... have you SEEN some of the wheels out there now days? They ain't stone anymore.

  • @stevenmartin3678
    @stevenmartin3678 2 года назад

    WHAT WOULD HAPPEN BOTH BOTTOMS TURN BROOD ONLY JUST USED SUPER TOP BEES WILL NEED EXTRA ROOM KEEP THEM FROM SWARMING.

  • @josephvogel7234
    @josephvogel7234 2 года назад

    Please build this and show us how well it works for you.

  • @Bigmojojo
    @Bigmojojo 2 года назад

    Check out this bee barn design that a beekeeper made this year, it's pretty interesting m.ruclips.net/video/UKXgIdHpedo/видео.html

  • @geoffreysurprenant6396
    @geoffreysurprenant6396 2 года назад

    I would be very interested in getting the specs for this project you have. I am a new beekeeper and a disabled veteran and I really don't like the idea of multiple lifts of a langstroth super. I have spent a few weeks now doing research and this appears to be the most flexible design out there and well thought out.

    • @CrazyIvan865
      @CrazyIvan865 Месяц назад

      Look into insulated Layens or Ukrainian or possibly Lazutin. A Lazutin Hive is a long langstroth double deep where the frame is all one piece. So you harvest the frames farthest from the entrance, and leave the honey above the cluster for their winter stores. The most you'll lift is maybe 20lbs... a lazutin frame can hold around 12-15lbs of honey, plus the weight of the frame and comb. But... you won't be doing that every day or every week, just a Couple times a year. And brood inspections... there's not lifting other than the lid and one frame at a time.

  • @lorus511
    @lorus511 2 года назад

    If you have one entrance at the front and one at the back which ever way the beekeeper stands he is going to stand in front of one or the other.

  • @sonofthunder.
    @sonofthunder. 3 года назад

    if supers are used ,excluders will need removed for the cluster to be able to access honey stores without letting brood lose heat as the cluster moves up,in cold.with the queen..i like the ideas of 8 frame as im already using them, im using slatted racks too,maybe that could be incorporated?

    • @CrazyIvan865
      @CrazyIvan865 Месяц назад

      Yes. Slatted Racks>screened bottoms. The bees are perfectly capable of cleaning out the bottom. If they build some comb down there... meh, oh well. But slatted racks gives them a little extra space under the brood while also helping them feel like that's the bottom. Is there a chance they'll build comb down there if there's 2+inch of dead space? Absolutely. But... the bees will do what they want anyway.

  • @Th3_Gael
    @Th3_Gael 3 года назад

    You've never kept bees. There so many amatuer errors in this

    • @mikeeubank246
      @mikeeubank246 2 года назад

      Would you mind sharing with the class ?

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 2 года назад

      I disagree. I've kept bees for 25 years. The issue with this design is that it's over designed. There is way too much to it.

    • @Th3_Gael
      @Th3_Gael 2 года назад

      @@beebob1279 and do people with experience typically over complicate things?

    • @CrazyIvan865
      @CrazyIvan865 Месяц назад

      ​@@Th3_Gaelwell the problem with most beekeepers is that most all of them are "simple common beekeepers" of simple mind, a lack of care, passion, ambition, etc andas so ignorant that they call their boxes "Langstroth" equipment, so ignorant that they don't even know that they're using Root's hives, which h are exactly the "Simple wooden boxes" that Langstroth HATED and mu h to say about. The PDF of The Hive and The Honey Bee 1853 edition is available free online. Give it a read. The hives used today are called "Langstroth" equipment... in spite of being shorter from front to back and not having the longer length frames, in spite of the fact that they are not glass lined, nor doubled walled, in spite of them not having an outter cover that comes all the way down over the sides of the doubled-walled hive to act as a 3rd layer of protection, in spite of not having the funnel shaped "porch" on the front to aid the bees in circulating air. Are there beekeepers with 20-30 years experience who've "overcomplicated" things and built their own hives? Yes. A guy I know has built his own patent hive, it looks oddball as all get out, but it's worked pretty well. Just saying... some people are complacent to be stuck in the insanity of doing that same things that have been done the same way for several hundred years with no significant improvement, and getting the same never ending loop of losses around 50%... some people are not satisfied with mundane insanity and seek to find a better way.

  • @JayCWhiteCloud
    @JayCWhiteCloud 3 года назад

    Not sure if you have kept bees before or done any advanced woodworking...but this is a more "I think" concept than practical design, if I may share that feedback?

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 2 года назад

      Over designed.

    • @JayCWhiteCloud
      @JayCWhiteCloud 2 года назад

      ​@@beebob1279 x 10...and not in concert with traditional (and proven) simple log or basket hives...better for bees...simpler to make...

  • @Light_Worker
    @Light_Worker 3 года назад

    Can you addbellow names of materials and size you used and where can we get it ?

  • @TomTrys
    @TomTrys 3 года назад

    Do you have the sketch up for available?

  • @tripshobbies2810
    @tripshobbies2810 3 года назад

    Bees are going to get congested in there and storm anyways without filling many frames, cause its big enough to loose the queen in.

    • @CrazyIvan865
      @CrazyIvan865 Месяц назад

      This doesn't make any sense. There is such a thing as too much space... but have you never seen any of these massive cut outs? Or what about a 30 frame Layens hive? Your statement sounds preposterous. As long as you aren't smoking them until they can't smell anything at all, not even nectar sources, they'll know when they are and aren't queenless. That and if you just eliminate the ventilation, add insulation to protect from hest ND cold, they'll keep the brood and queen near the entrance where the ventilation is. It's when you have ventilation everywhere thst she roams everywhere.

  • @roberthodge7802
    @roberthodge7802 3 года назад

    Very well thought out design! Have you built one yet? Can't wait to see it in action.

  • @ogierimbao8123
    @ogierimbao8123 3 года назад

    Wooww nice design

  • @charlessteed8938
    @charlessteed8938 3 года назад

    I have a horizontal hive that i built... it serves the bees well....this is way overthought....first, way to much ventilation....The bees propolized all vent holes on my horizontal..and if you think about it... natural behive do not have vent holes...that being said...i do like your design to have entrances in the middle, so as to share heat in the winter...my entrances are on the end...so i to can have 2 hives, or one large...

  • @user-vs9nk6rc3h
    @user-vs9nk6rc3h 3 года назад

    Hey, I really like this design. Could you give me the design on sketch up to make from this cell and thank you

  • @commonsensegaming1756
    @commonsensegaming1756 3 года назад

    I hope the wind can't blow it over

  • @carldaniels4827
    @carldaniels4827 3 года назад

    your subtle additions are what progression is all about. to increase the amount of honey i would place the 4 supers on the bottom making 4 colonies. keep the queen excluder's in place and reposition the large hive body on top. now you have 4 colonies working together instead of 2. you will be amazed to see the amount of honey produced.

    • @decmbeats
      @decmbeats 3 года назад

      I like what you are onto...but...How would you lift the heavy top off without a crane though? Or a buddy to help?

  • @saeed4ish
    @saeed4ish 3 года назад

    Can you send me the dimensions of the legs only thanks

  • @saeed4ish
    @saeed4ish 3 года назад

    Very nice I like to build one so but 10 frames I have all 10 frames stuff

  • @eberntson
    @eberntson 3 года назад

    I like the overall project and thank you for the narration. You are trying to keep all the options open for every climate. I think there are issues that can only be worked out actually building and using a prototype for a couple of years. You have a few aspects of a Dartington Hive from the UK. His roof is split, so half the hive can be configured with a second or thirds layer of boxes when the other side buildup lags. So you should plan on spacing for a full excluder (no holes/screened vent hole), where only an empty box is above. I would love to see it build and see quarterly evaluation updates. I built my long hive this summer and am looking forward to using it in Spring 2021.

  • @zhooker47
    @zhooker47 3 года назад

    Do you have plans available?

  • @msmb7389
    @msmb7389 4 года назад

    Have you found someone in OUR AREA to assist with beekeeping yet? I am a newbie and would love to glean from your knowledge. I am up Hwy 70 a ways from inner city.

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      Hello Ms MB, It is great to receive your message. I have not found someone here to share beekeeping experiences. I do not live far from you. Do you have bees? How can we meet?

    • @msmb7389
      @msmb7389 4 года назад

      @@Hokuhelecooperative I purchased a year or so ago a Beehive kit from Sam's took it out the box the other day BUT was NOT sure WHERE I wanted to put it up at until this morning. So no on the bees yet because I have learned we have a beetle issue here in our area AND wanted to be well educated on HOW do deal with EVERYTHING BEFORE acquiring some bees. Time is running out so trying to make it happen swiftly. How about the Walmart up this way? Let me know when & we can make it happen...have been out in the yard trying to prepare for some fruit trees. Send me your email & we can go over the details. AND THANKS for replying! Looking forward to beekeeping with you soon.

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      @@msmb7389 Are you a member of the Beekeepers association? You can send me an email through there. I prefer not to put email here because there are scammers.

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      @@msmb7389 nmbeekeepers.org/groups/southern-new-mexico-beekeepers/

    • @msmb7389
      @msmb7389 4 года назад

      @@Hokuhelecooperative I understand and am not a member yet. I found YOU while looking on that site and came over here to get in touch with you.

  • @FrederickDunn
    @FrederickDunn 4 года назад

    Nice graphics! I hope you put it into practical testing soon. I think you'll find the stacked boxes to be confusing for the colonies and of course, adds lifting to the management requirements. You may have a partition opportunity and can then use this system for several colonies that would benefit from community warmth in winter. So, alternating entrances (if used as a bee hotel) would be alternating sides 108 deg. I enjoyed your mods on the feeder shims and appreciate all of your design efforts. In cold climates, the sawdust pillows tend to become soaked, which defeats their insulating properties. I appreciate all the references to my videos :) looking forward to your progress and of course, I've subbed!

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      Thanks for insights Fred. The bees could fill out the bottom box just fine with no need for supers above. There is the option of just putting on one super to fill and block the second super over the hive. That keeps the roof level. I wonder if the sawdust gets soaked because airflow coming in from the outside is not controlled. You put the steel pad in the vent holes to reduce inflow of cold air. I would also add shredded paper over the sawdust to reduce movement of cold air. Then I put insulation over the shredded paper so that the ceiling over the sawdust does not get cold to form condensation that would "rain" down on the sawdust. Then again, I am listening to your recent vids where you say that upper ventilation may not be desirable at all during winter. Maybe the key is to close the vent from the cluster to the feeder shim. This cuts off air flow between the cluster and the feeder shim allowing the moisture to stay for the cluster. Then close off the feeder shim to outside cold air. Then the sawdust should stay dry giving the bees a warm ceiling to radiate their warmth. ........ I am preparing a video using this design for 4 nucs. I will incorporate more of your ideas.

    • @CrazyIvan865
      @CrazyIvan865 Месяц назад

      ​. Ventilation shouldn't be needed, if you add some insulation to offer significant protection from heat, and especially from cold. The bees prefer an environment where they control the airflow. And multiple studies have shown they prefer a CO² density that would be enough to make most humans sick over time. Somewhere in the ballpark of about 1.1-1.5% total atmosphere being CO². Everybody is always gaga about "bees don't need insulation, they need lots of ventilation"... which is pretty well polar opposite of their nature. Along with hives that are in direct sunlight. I was watching a video yesterday about a man's "solar wax melter from scrap"... he used an old hive body that was warped, an a scrap window pane he picked up somewhere. And he mentions that he had done a test of how hot it gets a few times before, using his laser read thermometer, he'd open it up about halfway through and hit the inside with the thermometer and it ranged between 290-360F... think about that for a minute. A hive body in direct sunlight, with just a simple pane of glass, in place of a solid cover, and it got hot enough to slow roast a meal. You look at bee trees and bees natural habitats... there are some common characteristics. Typically shaded or shaded for the hottest parts of the day. Thick hardwood or a rock formation surrounding the colony (lots of thermal mass. Thermal mass is great for tempersturd stability and energy efficiency)... I've had a a similar idea using Lazutin, Layens, or Top bars; with 2×4 frame, R13 on the walls, R30 on the roof, no ventilation... and see how it goes. The moisture in the hive isn't the "problem". In fact, it's hypothesized that higher humidity and higher CO² could potentially help inhibit mite reproduction, while encouraging bee reproduction. The bees need around a minimum of 55% relative humidity at 95F to raise healthy brood. If you make a well insulated hive with no vents, and throw some temp and humidity sensors in there, you'll likely find they tend to hold the humidity at 67%. So you want the moisture; you just want it condensing on the walls of floor, rather than above the bees, or on the comb. That, and anywhere that moisture can escape so can heat. Heat is costly. Honey is not liquid gold. It's liquid coal. And the bees use it to burn for everything they need. Whether it's to fetch water, travel for more nectar, clean up the hive, or produce heat. Look at some of the videos and Webinars of Etienne Tardif. I know a gentleman who keeps his hives insulated for most of the year; and weights them at the first frost and before the first nectar flow. He said they typically use 6-8lbs in a winter. And he lives in North PA. It's a very well thought out design. And very similar of my ideas for a hive that houses 4 or 5 colonies that pool heat during winter, and have 4 colonies helping maintain a stable temp during summer. But I would reccomend trying out 1 insulated condensing hive first and see how they fare. Before deciding which final design to go with. Search "faf-insulatd Langtroth hive" and read through that experiment. It was a citizen scientist project with 2 identical packages from the same supplier. The only major being condensing hive vs standard/typical Langstroth.

  • @T0tenkampf
    @T0tenkampf 4 года назад

    Some interesting ideas here and the presentation is superb. Seems like its trying to be all things to any climate though, but could be easily customized by the end user. For instance, in Texas I might not be so concerned with the cold air traps in the bottom box and might use a ridge and soffit vent design on the roof. The bees control air flow, humidity and convection with their fanning so attempting to micromanage this process for them might be an issue. I leaned how complicated that can be from my designs of humidity control systems for Vivaria. The sawdust filled feeding areas are also the perfect area for fire ant infestation so oil or water baths at the feet might be an idea there. I had previously rejected the idea of stacking boxes on horizontal hives as being counterintuitive...they are meant to reduce the added disruption of lifting boxes for production and inspection. However, i just realized that this might be the answer to my idea of how you could achieve queen rearing in horizontal hives in a manner similar to using a Morris Board. I might be interested in purchasing your plans should you make them available! Nice work!

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      You make excellent comments. The design can be changed to fit one's climate. About your idea of queen rearing, I also have this stacking design for making 5 or 6 frame nucs. I plan to make a video on that too. The design has spaces for 4 nucs. It is designed for the system of Billy Davis for nucs. You could take off the upper box with the queen in the spring and sell it as a nuc. Then allow the bottom box to re-queen itself. Then do it again to sell 4 more nucs in early summer. Then let the bottom nuc re-queen itself to two boxes for winter. About the air space at the bottom, I am in New Mexico and the dead air space at the bottom is helpful for moving air throughout the long hive. Thanks for the comments. I will get to work on that next video.

    • @T0tenkampf
      @T0tenkampf 4 года назад

      So there will be more bee stuff? Your other videos are a bit over my head lol

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      @@T0tenkampf Yes, I am getting ready more videos for beekeeping. The other videos are economics stuff.

  • @polvotierno
    @polvotierno 4 года назад

    This is a good design. I would like to see this built and put into practice.

  • @ritsg.8450
    @ritsg.8450 4 года назад

    Hi there, this model is precisely what I was looking for. Is there any chance of accessing a copy? Many thanks. Very informative videos.

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 4 года назад

      Where can I send a copy of the Excel sheet by email?

    • @ritsg.8450
      @ritsg.8450 4 года назад

      @@Hokuhelecooperative I tried to mail you :) Did that work?

  • @edwin77788
    @edwin77788 7 лет назад

    Hi it is possible to get the excel model from you?

    • @edwin77788
      @edwin77788 7 лет назад

      Hi will it be possible to send me via email to widjaja95@gmail.com? thank you!

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 7 лет назад

      Yes, it is possible. I am not sure how to send it to you. Do we have to keep emails private on youtube? Maybe I could post a link to the file.

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 7 лет назад

      Yes... I am making the excel file now.

    • @Hokuhelecooperative
      @Hokuhelecooperative 7 лет назад

      Sent to your email.

    • @marcphilippeb
      @marcphilippeb 6 лет назад

      Hi Sir! could you post e link to the file? Thank you very much! Very helpful video.

  • @minzhang1317
    @minzhang1317 9 лет назад

    thanks! that was really clear!

  • @Hokuhelecooperative
    @Hokuhelecooperative 10 лет назад

    This research is really just getting going. It has not started to look carefully at the numbers of other countries. The model is being developed with data from the US. But as you can see, the model is fitting the experience in other countries too.

  • @bluewater454
    @bluewater454 11 лет назад

    I understand what you are saying about wages. Although wages have risen, our spending power is not what it should be. I am not an economist, but I do know that the value of our $ has decreased dramatically in the past few decades. This is not a product of the private sector, but is in direct correlation to Government actions such as deficit spending and increased printing of money with no value. Employers have to deal with the results of this problem just like the workers do. I dont blame them.

  • @bluewater454
    @bluewater454 11 лет назад

    That is fine for those workers, although I don't know where Humbolt county Ca. is, I wonder what the living expenses are there. I make $22 an hour and live in an area where living expenses are low. I did not always make that much. My last two jobs paid 12 and $14 an hour. I bided my time, kept a good work record, and got a better job in my field. It doesn't seem much different for the workers in a cooperative , but it does seem good for the owners who get alot of support. That is fine.

  • @Hokuhelecooperative
    @Hokuhelecooperative 11 лет назад

    Paying a worker for their productivity is the question. There is a cooperative in Humboldt county, CA, where the workers get between $18 and $28 per hour. The cooperative is the most successful cleaning business in the county. They pay insurance too. The workers who work for their competitors, make $9 to $11 per hour for the exact same work. Most businesses nowadays don´t calculate the value of output from a worker. They just pay the lowest market wage out there. Do you ask the same question?

  • @Hokuhelecooperative
    @Hokuhelecooperative 11 лет назад

    You ask about output. Yet, do you realize that real wages have been lagging behind output/productivity for decades, and not only in the US, but throughout the world. Labor share of income is falling around the world. Businesses are paying less than the productivity of their employees. The idea is to be competitive, but when everyone starts paying less, the consumer demand in an economy gets weaker and weaker. Wages are not just costs, they are money in the pocket of your customers.

  • @bluewater454
    @bluewater454 11 лет назад

    Ok, first off, you said her business is not registered, which means she is not paying taxes, workmans comp ins, SS, ect.,. If she were, you could cut that $180 down to about $90. Out of that, she has to pay for payroll, cleaning supplies, gas for transportation, and if she had an office, a whole list of other things. I am not going to debate about an illegal business. I simply asked about paying someone in relation to their output...if you could please answer that question.

  • @Hokuhelecooperative
    @Hokuhelecooperative 11 лет назад

    I have a real life example for you. There is a neighbor lady who charges $45/hour to clean houses. She pays her employee $12/hour. When they each work 2 hours, she charges $180 (4x$45). She pays her employee $24 and she gets $156. In the cooperative, let´s assume the same situation. At the most, the manager can make $135 and the worker $45. Which makes more sense to you? By the way, the neighbor has not registered her business. Imagine what she makes when she doesn't work any of the 4 hours..

  • @bluewater454
    @bluewater454 11 лет назад

    What if one persons' production brings in 5 x the income that anothers' labor brings. You said you cannot make more than 3 x anothers' income. Shouldn't income be equal to output?

  • @Hokuhelecooperative
    @Hokuhelecooperative 11 лет назад

    Yes... their pay scale is based on their effort, responsibility and productivity. The project manager has the ultimate authority to determine the pay scales of all those that work in the project. The pay differential is limited to 3x. That means that the highest paid and the lowest paid can differ by at most 3x. But there is an adjustment mechanism if the lowest paid member goes below a living wage. The adjustment narrows the differential so that the lowest pay is raised above a living wage..

  • @bluewater454
    @bluewater454 11 лет назад

    Another question. Do you have employees in your cooperative who are not business owners, but are simply laborers? If so, how is payscale determined for these kinds of workers?

  • @Hokuhelecooperative
    @Hokuhelecooperative 11 лет назад

    Cooperatives are efficient. Costs are lowered by sharing expenses. The problem with cooperatives is that people aren't trained in how to work in them. I remember a representative of the famous Mondragon cooperative saying that a coop requires maturity to function. To a large degree he is right. When people have the maturity to cooperate, social benefits are enhanced, wealth is accumulated better by people. and there is better job security, which is crucial for a strong community.

  • @bluewater454
    @bluewater454 11 лет назад

    Question. Do you consider this business model to be in line with Marxism or what some one like Prof. Wolff. is promoting? Also, do you see this model as being compatible with free market capitalism? I admit to this being a loaded question. I believe that entrepreneurialism is the life blood of free market capitalism. If more people learned how to create there own wealth, they wouldn't have time to complain about their "slave driving" employers. What are your thoughts?