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Penguin Motors
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Meet Graham Bahr. Fixing cars and building engines for 40+ years, racing BMWs since the late 90s.
Husband, Dad, Granddad, now the Owner, Founder and Chief Mechanic of Penguin Motors Limited.
Husband, Dad, Granddad, now the Owner, Founder and Chief Mechanic of Penguin Motors Limited.
Rover V8 Su v Edelbrock 500 Dyno tested
in this video we back to back a pair of HIF6 Su's against a Edelbrock 500 $ barrel carb. out test engine as a basically stock 3.5 9.75 CR engine, which had recently had a razor blade rebuild, tickled SD1 cylinder heads and a Kent 218 Camshaft upgrade
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Race pinto pre rebuild Dyno test
Просмотров 4,7 тыс.Месяц назад
this is an engine built ten years ago. a couple of years ago it had a rebuild and I Dyno'd it here in house. back then it made 230 bhp, what will it make now? 2337 cc 93mmx86mm newman P6 cam Group1 valves CNC head. 48mm Jenveys dry sumped DTA ecu
Rover 3.5 V8 Razor blade rebuild
Просмотров 4,4 тыс.Месяц назад
in this video we do a bare minimum required razor blade rebuild on a 9.75 V8 rover engine, fit a Kent H218 cam, chuck it on the Dyno and make some noise
bent rod v8 engine rebuild part 2
Просмотров 2 тыс.Месяц назад
in this video we bring you the second and final part to the rebuild on another classic v8 engine from a rover p6
PINTO HEAD AND CAM UPGRADES PART 2
Просмотров 2,2 тыс.2 месяца назад
This is the second of three videos were we compare camshaft and cylinder head swaps on a twin 45 dcoe equipped 2.1 Dyno mule. In todays video we try a couple of old school cams a Burton BLF 40/41 and an old ford works profile a WR40
PINTO CAM AND HEAD TEST 1
Просмотров 3,5 тыс.3 месяца назад
IN THIS TEST WE COMPARE A NEWMAN 4.75 AND KENT GTS3 CAM IN THE SAME 2.1 PINTO USING BOTH A NO NAME BIG VALVE CYLINDER HEAD AND A BURTON CNC RACE HEAD.
ROVER V8 SCARAB BLUE ENGINE ASSESSMENT HD 720p
Просмотров 5 тыс.3 месяца назад
In this video we take a look at another P6 V8 engine with a view to rebuilding and a mild hop up.
Pinto Kent cam exhaust and carb upgrades tested
Просмотров 4,4 тыс.3 месяца назад
In this video we test Kent GTS4 and GTS5 cams in our Dyno mule along with exhaust manifold and carb upgrades
Ford pinto kent cam test x 4 HD 1080p
Просмотров 2,7 тыс.4 месяца назад
in this video we run up 4 different cams all ground by Kent cams in our 2.1 Dyno mule. Our Dyno mule features 11.3 cr, Bestek distributor, Burton CNC head and steel rods, Acralite pistons, twin 45 DCOE, 38mm chokes small bore Ashley type 421 exhaust
bent rod rover v8 HD 1080p
Просмотров 3,4 тыс.4 месяца назад
In this video we strip down a V8 rover engine from a beautiful Cameron green Rover P6
Ford pinto 50 webers V 48 webers HD 1080p
Просмотров 3,3 тыс.4 месяца назад
In this video we show a direct comparison between a pair of 48mm webers and 50mm on the same engine. the engine features a Bestek distributor, Kent GTS4 cam, Burton CNC race head and steel rods, and a set of forged Acralite pistons breathing out through an Ashley 3 piece 2.25 exhaust manifold
DRAG RACE PINTO,
Просмотров 4,9 тыс.5 месяцев назад
the build of our drag race pinto continues, and we have it up and running on the Dyno fueled with a pair of 48 webers, Bestek distributor, it made some numbers, until it broke! ford oil filter part number 2167934
ford pinto exhaust manifold test, Simpson V Ashley weber 45/48s v 50's
Просмотров 6 тыс.6 месяцев назад
in this video we test 3 different exhaust manifolds on a 2.1 pinto equipped with Burton CNC race head, Long steel rods, Bestek distributor, Kent GTS4 camshaft, with some surprising results
Drag race pinto part 3
Просмотров 3,4 тыс.6 месяцев назад
in this video we bring you part 3 of the build of a drag race ford pinto
FORD PINTO SPLIT 48 WEBERS RETUNE PART2
Просмотров 4,1 тыс.8 месяцев назад
This video is part two where we retune a pinto using a pair of split 48's on a Brooks manifold, plus an end of video bonus where we compare two engines with same GTS3 cam, Bestek distributors and Simpson exhausts the difference being one had the Brooks split 48's and the other split 45's from IKE engineering
FORD pinto Split 48 webers retune Part 1
Просмотров 4,3 тыс.8 месяцев назад
FORD pinto Split 48 webers retune Part 1
Harris 2.2 pinto rebuild, the Dyno test
Просмотров 9 тыс.10 месяцев назад
Harris 2.2 pinto rebuild, the Dyno test
FORD PINTO CAM, CARB AND EXHAUST UPGRADES TESTED
Просмотров 9 тыс.Год назад
FORD PINTO CAM, CARB AND EXHAUST UPGRADES TESTED
FORD X/flow twin 40's and cylinderhead upgrades tested
Просмотров 5 тыс.Год назад
FORD X/flow twin 40's and cylinderhead upgrades tested
PINTO AIR FILTER SOCKs V TEA STRAINER FILTERS TESTED
Просмотров 4,2 тыс.Год назад
PINTO AIR FILTER SOCKs V TEA STRAINER FILTERS TESTED
FORD X/FLOW BURTON ROLLER ROCKER TEST
Просмотров 6 тыс.Год назад
FORD X/FLOW BURTON ROLLER ROCKER TEST
RACE M20 ENGINE 3.0 CONVERSION MINI UPDATE
Просмотров 3,9 тыс.Год назад
RACE M20 ENGINE 3.0 CONVERSION MINI UPDATE
Would love to see footage of the actual drag race!
With Cosworth twin cam cylinder head fuel injected and turbocharged will return 350 to 500 horse power
It’s not really a pinto anymore then is it? But yes I have built an early pinto into a turbo charged YB cosworth which ended up in a cosworth race car
Always great watching your vids.thax for teaching and sharing your knowledge and experience.
Have you managed to do any test with the Kent RL30 camshaft? If so would it give similar gains to these camshafts?
Never tried it so don’t know but I can’t see it being dramatically different
This all looks like a really good reason to just LS swap it…
maybe, an LS swap would give a huge amount more power, but you would have to re engineer just about every aspect of the mechanical/fuel/electrical side of the vehicle to suit
@@PenguinMotorsNo shortage of standalone ECU and fuel systems available for LS engines :) Yes, a lot of work. But P6s are mostly all weekend toys these days anyway. I’m having recurring thoughts about a restomod with an LS, a modern auto box and the Jag LSD diff. And then brakes to suit. And then suspension mods to suit. Etc etc…. 😂😂
hope you’ve cleaned your workshop
Were the early (rope rear mains) ones not higher compression and 5 star fuel only? 178bhp?
Yes 10.5cr and 5 star, they will run ok on super unleaded but you have to retard the ignition timing quite a bit which makes them sluggish and still prone to pinking. I think origonally Rover rated them at over 180 bhp, but they were never anything like that, They were tested with an SAE standard, which was very flattering to an engine. basically absolute optimum everything including corrections. The metric DIN standard used in more modern times would be 20bhp or so less, even then its likely that Rover over quoted the power figures. If you compare that P5 engine to an carbed SD1, on paper the SD1 had a lot less power @155bhp din, True it had lower compression, but it had a much more effiecent airbox, better cylinder heads, viscous fan and far more effecient exhaust manifolds and system. More than enough to offset the lower compression.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggles to find where I've left tools!
HA HA, i can instantly loose anything these days
Hello.i have a pinto head that skimmed 1.5mm what thickness gasket do I need for a compression ratio of 11.
It’s not that simple, you also need to take piston height at TDC into account
@PenguinMotors so it's safer to just leave it as is
@ with a standard gasket you will probably be about 10.5,
@@PenguinMotors thank you for your advice 🙏🙏🙏
Humm practice says different
I built a 1906 cc engine AX block 85 mm JE pistons Laystall crank 84 mm stroke. - 12 bolt. Kent vernier timing Kent 254 Hot rod cam wasted beteeen lobes. Carillo rods ARP head stud kit 1.5 std ratio roller rockers Dellorto DHLA 45s Aldon Race Dizzy Mass Racing exhaust manifold. Ported head big valve but not the largest built it 10 yrs ago memory a bit fuzzy but she bumps out 175 hp /150 ft lbs
NICE
balistic in a lightweight car you say? interesting
All things are relative but in a 500 kg kit car a 4 pot that makes 200bhp up round 7500rpm feels fast, similar power down at 6000 coupled with V8 torque low down will feel a lot faster
How's part 3 coming along?
Very slow it there has been a bit, in fact I’m going to have to rewatch the last video to see where I got to to know if it’s worth making part 3 yet
Might be out of your scope Graham, but if I had the money one thing I'd love to test is two 'identical engines' both blueprinted, one to the worst end of the specs, one to the best. Maybe pick an engine currently used in some bog standard engine race series (like Formula Ford did).
FF1600 and F2000 engines are around 20-25, some maybe even 30 bhp up on standard, but free flow induction systems, tuned exhausts, dry sump systems all make a considerable difference, they are also allowed to optimise camshaft timing. Not sure about 2000 but 1600 are allowed limited modifciations to the head, so that actual power gained from "blueprinting" isnt huge. On an otherwise stock 2.0 pinto I would guess youd probably find 5 bhp if you went right through it and stacked all the tolerances to a max power perspective.
@@PenguinMotors Interesting, thank you very much Graeme. My second project, if I had the money and time, would be to take an engine that looked standard externally (induction and manifolds etc.) but with enough internal mods to make significantly more power. It would be an engine that fitted both FWD and RWD cars. After getting the engine dyno'd on a real engine dyno, I'd get cars fitted with the engine taken to various types of chassis dyno to see what figures they came up with.
Great content on this engine builder, that engine is going to be first class for a street car, lucky owner has someone competent building him a good engine.
Back in 86 I was rallying an SD1 that we fitted with 2inch SU’s off a scrapyard Jag, went fairly well!!
Does this engine use a roller cam or standard style. And what is your opinion on going to the effort of roller cam conversion? Cheers
Standard, not had any dealings with roller cam so can’t comment on using one, but if they were that good everyone would be using them
Hello, can you tell me what the cost of the camshaft is on this engine?
Hello, can you tell me what the cost of the camshaft is on this engine?
just something to check out. There is a company in California U.S.A named Esslinger engineering that makes all kinds of race parts for the 2.3 Lina engine. I saw a RUclips on a site from power nation. It is building a 2.3 4cyl lima for dirt. It made 268 HP 7 211 Torque. With a 2 bbl. Holley carb.
Yes, impressive although i think its fair say theres just about nothing from ford in that engine, and it shares nothing in common with our european pinto other than it looks similar
Is a Rover v8 like the 3,5 liter expensive in rebuild? parts? How easy or hard to find today. Oh i forgot there was this Ford Cortina ( Steve Green? ) on the dragstrip many years ago that had a very powerfull to 5 liters in the end. I wonder how much developement went in there, and why stick to that concept? ( by the way happy new year )
Rover v8 is expensive to rebuild in comparison with say a pinto, but then again there’s twice as much engine. It’s getting harder to find good quality parts, but still possible. Yes remember Steve Greens Cortina. Yes it had a hell of a lot of development but, back then there weren’t as many viable alternatives, especially not lightweight ones. Once you get so far down the line it’s really expensive to reengineer to a different engine.
I knew the 36mm chokes were too small. I prefer longer intake manifolds,, more torque the shorter ones with the Mikunis had an advantage. Some tuning with those however may make more.
How accurate were Ford Rocker arm ratios ? , If each rocker ratio was different due to production machining then the motor would loose Torque, This was the case with Austin Mini Cooper Forged factory rockers, The ratio 's varied from rocker to rocker causing a power loss due to Cam timing not being the same on each lobe at the Valve. Graham Russell Pointed this out In Australia. He would over come some of the power robbing by working out how much to alter the Valve Tappet clearances to make the valve timing more similar to each other.
Same as any other production engine which has some sort of rocker in the valve train they are all going to vary slightly, but it’s never going to be enough to make a real difference on a mild road engine
Vulcan used 40dfi5 iirc
Maybe, for an all out race engine it might be worth a try, anything else there are better alternatives
Did the USA use the 2.0 Pinto in their Ford Pinto car?
Yes, they also used the kent 1.6 ohv engine and the US Lima 2.3 ohc
Great video and engine Would you conciser it worth going itb’s on a m20b23 323i I thinking more power. A cleaner engine bay. Better economy. Is that possible within a reasonable budget really. Thanks
My 2.8 m20 gained over 20bhp going to ITB but costs a fortune to do, I think you will find gains much smaller on a road spec engine.
@@PenguinMotorsthanks I’ll stay away from it for now. That makes me feel much better about staying with the Bosch k-jetronic for now. All the rest of the car can be made sound again. Then maybe go itb in the future. Thanks for the reply and input👍🏻👍🏻
With Edelbrock carbs, much of the tuning is done with the metering rods, the same as SU's or Stromberg CD carbs. Metering rods allow you to richen or lean low or high RPM separately. Requires getting the tuning kit for the carb model.
Yes aware of that, the Edelbrock was pretty close to ideal, but that’s no surprise it was sold jetted to suit a 3.5 so I did what most people do and just bolted it on, out the box it’s very good
what is good about american made carbs, they made it simple as sort of in time, with tuning possibilities like the old Dell'Orto and Weber metering. I do not know history of Edelbrock or for instance Holley. I used Holley 390 four barrel vacuum secondary on a OHC 2200 CC Pinto when i was young. Holley even good i think. But i did not knew about tuning them perfectly back then. I bet that if you spend many hours to get things right, a Carburettor does not do much less at performance as ThrottleBodies.
Sounds very good 🙂
I managed to get 176 hp from a pinto.Twin 45 dellorto's 285 cam, 421 manifold, larger valves and smaller intake ports.The ports are too big on these as standard. Making them bigger and polishing them is going the wrong way. Had a 5 speed gearbox going to an estate rear diff. The normal 2 litre diff was geared for something silly like 160 mph in 5th. Pattern clutches would just slip all the time. Using a genuine ford clutch could just manage. Started out as a 1.6 4 speed Sierra. 2 litre and cam made a big difference. Boring to 2.1 seemed to do nothing at all. Left it looking standard and used to have fun with GTi's etc. Was a fairly fast car 40 years ago. An ordinary modern 2 litre diesel would be about the same these days. At 63 I now have a litre motorbike, glad I did not have that when I was younger. I would have been lucky to last a week.
hi penguin motors eny chance you can take my pinto and sort it out its in my rs2000
Possibly, drop me an email about it penguinmotors@outlook.com
Someone needs to make a ir intake for v8s for those carbs . 8 carbs long runners, big torque.
I agree long runner IR setup should increase torque and horsepower considerably. They are available at huge cost
For every day driving the SU's blows the Edelbrock away.
Great video mate.
Here in Australia,my Chrysler 5.2L or 318 is a mild engine,actually being a 1980 engine it was quite choked up from factory with all the emissions garbage on it and I suspect the heads are not very free flowing either? However it now runs a mild cam with an Edelbrock intake and the same carburettor you ran,a 500 Edelbrock. It was tuned professionally and I must say that it works beautifully! It made 210 hp at the wheels and is quite responsive. Great carbs
@@Tk-ou9ec Sounds like a healthy 318, almost all the 318s I have seen (in original configuration) have been strangled with a 2 bbl. They are a bit of an underdog but respond to tweaks well.
@ yes it was a 2 barrel engine also equipped with the ELB electronic lean burn system. It was a sluggish ride. Supposedly only had about 140hp from factory in which I presume was at the flywheel??? So yes it does go much better now.
It's strange, all the performance guys in the US go for Holleys on their V8s, Edelbrock is a good daily driver carb, but nothing special. In the UK it seems to be Edelbrock is the performance 4 barrel to have, I suspect persuading UK buyers that Edelbrock carbs are the best 4 barrel is down to marketing.
This 4.6 sounds beautiful ❤
What happens with the crank? Is it shorter? As far as i know the cam will need to be longer for the distributor
Crank is actually longer and requires a spacer when used with p6 timing cover and cam. For cam use 3.5/3.9 long nose cam
Good God, people still p#ssing around with those things! I was the machinist/engine builder for Janspeed when the Rover V8 was a thing and did the Le Mans project engine as well as the Leyland race engines. The port size was death on the heads and we just ripped them out with a big end mill but the rest couldn't be helped, the only way we could get real power was dry-sumping with a doubled pressure side oil pump and for aspirated engines a billet flat crank (which took me a month of overtime to make). With TH injection we could pull over 450hp from the 3.5 block but for Le Mans we went to twin turbo and 4.7l flat crank and could get over 600hp on the dyno (and destroy gearboxes). Basically thirty years later you could get better power from any Japanese 2l engine.
That TR7 is still around, I was on the pit wall at the start of a race at Silverstone earlier this year next to it at the start of a race, where upon the red lights going out it promptly spat the propshaft and several gallons of fluid all over the track
I love to watch honest comparison videos. I. don't know how much time you can or do spend optimising each set up. I would like to see 1 on OE cast exhaust manifolds (pintos had a few different 1s) vs the most common 4 branch.
With a mild or standard cam the most common 4 branch is worth 8-10 bhp ver the stand cast iron 4/1 manifold I did do a test of that in one of the videos
How much of this difference is due to the differing intake manifold design? Guess we'll never know. I suspect the low speed throttle response would be better with the SUs and would be inclined to suggest the 4 BBL for hooligan use.
the two manifolds are essentually same design, but obviously differ in detail. Throttle response is better on the 4 barrel, if for no other reason the 4 barrel has accelerator pumps, where as the SU use dampers to hold down the pistons and richen the mixture on accelation which obviously stiffles airflow
Isnt a 500 Edebrock too big a carb for an RV8? Edelbrock make a 390.
It’s a vacuum secondary, so the engine will only take what it wants.
All I can say is the 500 is the one Weber officially import for the RV8 and it’s what most of the Rover specialists recommend
My brother stuffed a Buick 215 in his Austin A35. 11.5:1 and a long cam. Basically undrivable with 290hp. But it sounds awesome.
It's just great to listen to a guy who just says it how it is, like walking into a local friendly garage or chatting to a bloke down the pub back in the day that is becoming a rare thing now passing on there knowledge and experience I've thought about contacting them for a build I'm doing but it's the geographical distance for me...shame I'd be made up if he could work on my build..top guy 👍
Closer than it looks. The SUs have the edge up to 4k, and quite a handy lead from 2500 to 3500. I think in real world street use - especially with an auto - the SUs would probably be a little quicker. By the time the 4bbl got to 4k it would be behind the SU car and would need some distance for the top end advantage to get it back out in front.
It wanted to rev out because the last test had a carburetor with no air cleaner. The blank flow without air cleaner on the HIF 6 according to David Vizard flows 245 cfm each, or 490 cfm, same as the HD8 SUs. The stock intake and SU's are good ones. Your stock P6 intake wasn't clear of all it's shackles. Rover Really knew what they were doing.The huge, fat torque curve proves that the SUs deliver the goods where the engine is used most. Thus is why Ford copied the SU with the Variable Venturi 7200 Motorcraft 2 barrel carb in 1978 to 1991. Because Police 351's carried those carbs for 10 long years on 164, 172 and 190 hp High Output Windsor engines. Skinner Union, the carbs Americans Envy 🥝✔️✊
I did say I ran the 4 barrel with and without the air filter it made no difference to power
Yes, you did. However, an SU has a hard edge that the giant 5-1/8" Edelbrock doesn't have. The first test had the full intake fairing, then one without it. . The SU HIF6 still flows almost the same CFM as the two 500 Edelbrock tests. They have a huge surface area. The SU just has a 45 mm hole bare, and then it's merged one 3-1/8" access hole with a sharp ridge, without the fairing. Each SU has no bell mouths or stub stacks. IMHO, that's the flow loss, not the two Carbs themselves.
Your right about a hard edge, but the 500 isnt without its obstructions, the aux vents (boosters in USA speak) and the flap in the secondaries. Theory aside, however a power loss does or does not occur, I only replicated what peope actually fit. Point to note here is almost all of my V8 customers drive Rover P6's, they like factory airfilters etc
Hi mate, good to see you working on Pinto motor 😊. What is the better carb to use on Pinto, Side Draft or Down Draft? Cheers
Sidedrafts no doubt
@PenguinMotors Cheers for that, enjoy watching your videos, keep it up & have a good Xmas 👍
i had 1 of these spent big dollars = got 235 bhp @6,500 = got rid of everything = GOT A SUBARU TURBO = 280 bhp = easy - next step 365 bhp bigger turbo = better fuel ! = love me english sports cars = 50 years = moved on now !
Lets see, a nice powerful V8 or a very powerful Subaru that sounds like a tug boat and will cost thousands to tune/rebuild..I'll take the V8
1988 , HIF6 SUs .. knife edged the butterflies and removed half the pinion .. and mounted with allen dome heads.....gas flowed internal a bit , machined radius the pistons... changed jetting . spring .oil.and had some other air work done inside on fuel and air balancing .. Mounted to standard 3.5...low milage..40k with polished balanced chambers in heads.. , ..with tube exhaust...and a mild cam...., shit , i still had old rope seal on crank..lol...... pulled , after fettling , all the way to 210@ 5800rpm .. great thing was , if you drove like Miss Daisy.... you could get some great mpg..... Had plans to do a twin 2 inch SU conversion , from old J@@@g.. never got round to it... i always wonder how that would of worked out.
On any “vacuum” secondary or air door controlled carb it’s a good idea to make sure the secondaries are reaching WOT. The 500 is calibrated for a small American V8 like a 289 Ford. The 3.5 may not open the air door all the way.
@@truthboomertruthbomber5125 isn't that the beauty of an air door staged carburetor? What if it isn't fully opening? No problem.
Opening is tuneable. The older air doors were counterbalanced with a weight. Grind a bit off and try again. The new carbs have a clock spring that is adjustable by adding or reducing spring preload. The AVS2 models come with annular primary boosters which aid atomization with Airgap style manifolds.
Your balded head is bit of shiny to see trough hahaa 😄Just kidding Graham. But ya know, simplicity that works is the way to go for lets say moderate use. I think a Rover 3,5 fresh rebuild would be fun in an old Ford Cortina or other lightweight car anyhow. Just the sound and low down torque makes one already happy. I might go buy for cheap in living room for display a Ford flathead. Thank's man, best wishes for newyear and have a nice Christmas