Massive L take haha. You need therapy if the flea market hurts you that bad. If you don’t like it don’t use it. All the ammo on the flea is shite, you have to unlock good ammo for craft or to purchase from the traders.
While I do believe the flea market has made raiding feel less rewarding, it is asinine to think the flea market should be removed with the state the game is in currently. The game has been built around the flea market. Look at quests, primarily gunsmith, and the hideout. You need so many items for level 2 and 3 upgrades. In order for the game to feel rewarding without being overly grindy, many aspects of the game need to change. Raise the amount of loot everywhere, add more items for barter with the traders, and remove found in raid hideout. If you remove the flea market, you do not need found in raid hideout upgrades. Also, change the name of found in raid to be Quest eligible. The title is misleading at best
23000h player here, this was the worst beginning of the wipe for me, no space in stash, no keys, no armor, no ammo, no hideout items because they have to be FIR, non stop bugs and cheaters, i feel sorry for the people who dont have the biggest version of the game and the additional storage, however, you cant buy lvl 5/6 plates or bullets like M80, you will eventually have to do the quests anyway
as a dude who have like, 3-4 hours daily to play (most times less) I be fine if the flea would be gone, i already do my builds around trader barters to save money, since i dont scav very often...and even i have 10m rubles it is kinda of joke honestly. I did have A LOT of fun early wipe, everyone running shit guns blasting without silencer...the only thing that really pissed me off its keys, it took me soooooo much time to get them, the barters sucks would love MORE barter for keys. Nice editing and very funny but true video
And wouldn't It be better if traders had even more utility? So many quests that just simply give you an insignificant amount of cash and actual garbage most times. Let me unlock attachments and different ammos with every quest. Would make me feel so much better doing mind numbing quests knowing there was something valuable at the end of it.
@@MeBoost id say 70% of the quests are fucking useless. Quests should unlock MORE barters, more gun parts, stuff that you actually use instead of a gun and some ammo.
like it or not flea is still way to important to the game and I doubt BSG will have a better solution to replace it. They need to focus on finding a solution that is well recieved by the vast majority as well and not rely on big streamers, who are basically done with the game in a week with or withou these changes, to dictate how flea gets changed in the future. I do like how they are offering surveys to get player input to guage a reaction to any current and future changes. Hoping they can find some way to fix the game we love without destroying the integrity of the game.
I have noticed that before the flea market was up I was having much better fights and much more fun. Now I’m running into guys with top tier armor and ammo.
the price difference is what makes the traders worth it aswell. I also think raids still feel rewarding as you can sell things for lots of money to then purchase things.
I mean the trade off to getting around vendor rep via the flea is the ~2-4x markup. Theyre making the game *tedious* not "hardcore" like they want it to be. Sifting through bags of trash for a key that im going to use once for a quest isnt "hardcore" its tedious for the sake of being tedious. I like the idea of no flea but they *will not implement this change properly if they do it* they will fuck it up. Theyll remove flea, not add fuck all else to traders, not buff loot in raid to compensate until a year later. BSG is a masterclass in "excellent ideas, dog shit implementation" Dont give me no its in beta shit, i fucking love the game but its live service minus the typical live service shit thats labeled as a "beta" so they can just "oops my bad, beta testing still" their way out of any and all piss poor choices
5300+ hours here, and I've gotta say, I think the first 19 days without flea no matter what this wipe was some of the most fun I've had in a long time in Tarkov
No bs you are the first person I’ve heard agree with me the flee ruins the game every player has meta guns armor and ammo before it was fun not knowing what the dude was gonna have or be running now it’s 1 of 5-6 guns and the same attachments
I didn't believe it, but the no flea at the beginning of the wipe was actually good. I want to see a whole wipe without the flea and let's see how the game feels.
Best thing to do is have it locked till like 3 weeks into the wipe but once you get early wipe done the big chads have level 4 anyway. Scav running is hundreds of thousands per hour and the alternative is sifting through 1000 jackets and files on Shoreline
An interesting suggestion I heard was to lock flea market behind the stash upgrades, and make it very ruble-expensive to unlock. Also make flea market items level-locked. Then over time reduce the cost of unlocking which allows more players to unlock it and hopefully takes away a large amount of money from the best players, slowing down their progression if they do want to unlock it.
I've never had more disagreement on a topic in Tarkov, there's people that say "I want flee because I have a job I don't want to quest' and then the direct opposite saying "I DON'T want flea because I have a job and I don't want progression ramping up", I was totally against flea being taken away this wipe and wanted it so bad, now that I have everything I want from the flea I realize I'm a dog chasing cars, I got what I wanted and now I don't know what to do. Flea has genuinely ruined the game since it's introduction and I'm confident in saying it
I trade no flea for buffed loot spawns on maps and adding more POI to parts of maps that are completely fucked IE the entire upper floor of interchange and most of the parking garage
Interchange is a huge contender for my favorite map. Seeing an image of a fully stocked KIBA in PVE just made me really bummed. The second floor of ULTRA is completely pointless for loot.
@MeBoost I'd take in a second no flea for more loot and game play earning of stuff So many maps nerfed and empty space No flea and nerfed loot would make the game an annoying grind fest
i rly liked not having the flea again, when i started on tarkov flea didn't exist yet, neither the hideout. But but my god, having the hideout stuff be FIR is the most obnoxious fukng sht nikita did in his life
Amazing video, completely agree with every point you made honestly. people get too consumed in flipping items and making the funny number go up that they completely ignore that the games meant to be a survival game, with an abundance of money and complete availability of gear that tension you get from having good gear is gone same with the rewarding feeling of getting out with good gear or items.
At a certain point, you just gotta consider playing something else. The game is past its prime never to return, with BSG either ignorant or pushing forward the design decisions that are frustrating you. There are other, more rewarding, horizons to seek out if you desire them. It's simply a matter of if you have the strength to leave a game you use to love.
@@VrodegTheGoblin717 Ah yes, because people who are better at the game than you aren't part of the 'hardcore' crowd, they're lame, stinky, and a myriad of other distasteful stereotypes you fantasize about to make yourself feel better about dying to them.
Despite the tone of the video, Tarkov will never die purely based on the fact that it is the only game that does what it does with so much depth. It is an insane project that no major studio would even risk attempting to emulate 1:1. I love this game. I also really hate this game. I have no choice but to play Tarkov if I want this experience.
@@MeBoost I think that sentiment is echoed by most people unfortunately. Hopefully one day Tarkov will get some decent competition, it would do the game some good.
@ so you remember when people had hundreds of mils of rubl and everything was cheaper, yet nowadays people have less money and it everything costs more. Sure, streamers and people who play a lot (of whom I’m not an exception) have enough money to where they don’t have to care about it anymore, but if you were to make an average for most players, I’d say they’re below the “poverty line” so to speak. It’s important to include the average 2hr/day Timmy in the discussion as well, for he and many others of his like make up the major playerbase
I feel like the casuals who came over from casual games once they feel off, have absolutely ruined Tarkov and changed what it's about with their constant cries.
agree to some degre, since it for sure was more fun to run lvl 4 trader stuff for a month or 2. meanwhile majority of players dont even have 545 ps rounds. meaning basicly imortal first months
Seek mental help bro. You sound really depressed. I advise you to not play this game while in the headspace you depict in this video. It doesnt really sound like youre doing a character either.
@@krollgrend1888 Not really. I actually enjoy the game and im not really opinionated about it. Only thing i dont like about tarkov is the community i guess.
@ but you have an opinion that this guy should seek help based on how they are talking? Dude made a meme video and instead of having a conversation about the topic you launched into needing mental help. Just a sad attempt at a low blow because you don’t agree with the topics brought to hand.
@@krollgrend1888Is this supposed to be a funny video? I cant really see it. The guy is venting about his nihilistic relationship with this game, and it comes of as very toxic to me. I just dont understand how people complain so much abut this game, yet keeps playing it. Maybe the guy needs a nudge in the right direction? Im letting him know that its OK to not play the game.
Can’t wait until fella learns about scaving on streets
Nothing but truth nukes
Massive L take haha. You need therapy if the flea market hurts you that bad. If you don’t like it don’t use it. All the ammo on the flea is shite, you have to unlock good ammo for craft or to purchase from the traders.
While I do believe the flea market has made raiding feel less rewarding, it is asinine to think the flea market should be removed with the state the game is in currently. The game has been built around the flea market. Look at quests, primarily gunsmith, and the hideout. You need so many items for level 2 and 3 upgrades. In order for the game to feel rewarding without being overly grindy, many aspects of the game need to change. Raise the amount of loot everywhere, add more items for barter with the traders, and remove found in raid hideout. If you remove the flea market, you do not need found in raid hideout upgrades. Also, change the name of found in raid to be Quest eligible. The title is misleading at best
23000h player here, this was the worst beginning of the wipe for me, no space in stash, no keys, no armor, no ammo, no hideout items because they have to be FIR, non stop bugs and cheaters, i feel sorry for the people who dont have the biggest version of the game and the additional storage, however, you cant buy lvl 5/6 plates or bullets like M80, you will eventually have to do the quests anyway
90 subs and you bang this absolute FUCKING get out , you spoke my thoughts , I’ll glaze you for life
You're on the bleeding edge.
W video!
W comment.
GET RID OF IT
great msg, bad clip loop.
as a dude who have like, 3-4 hours daily to play (most times less) I be fine if the flea would be gone, i already do my builds around trader barters to save money, since i dont scav very often...and even i have 10m rubles it is kinda of joke honestly. I did have A LOT of fun early wipe, everyone running shit guns blasting without silencer...the only thing that really pissed me off its keys, it took me soooooo much time to get them, the barters sucks would love MORE barter for keys. Nice editing and very funny but true video
And wouldn't It be better if traders had even more utility? So many quests that just simply give you an insignificant amount of cash and actual garbage most times. Let me unlock attachments and different ammos with every quest. Would make me feel so much better doing mind numbing quests knowing there was something valuable at the end of it.
@@MeBoost id say 70% of the quests are fucking useless. Quests should unlock MORE barters, more gun parts, stuff that you actually use instead of a gun and some ammo.
like it or not flea is still way to important to the game and I doubt BSG will have a better solution to replace it. They need to focus on finding a solution that is well recieved by the vast majority as well and not rely on big streamers, who are basically done with the game in a week with or withou these changes, to dictate how flea gets changed in the future. I do like how they are offering surveys to get player input to guage a reaction to any current and future changes. Hoping they can find some way to fix the game we love without destroying the integrity of the game.
Same with the Arena synchronization and the OP trader Ref.
Even with the changes, The advantage that Arena will give you is massive.
I have noticed that before the flea market was up I was having much better fights and much more fun. Now I’m running into guys with top tier armor and ammo.
While it isn't "exactly" top teir, its just the status quo. Inferior calibers just don't cut it.
the price difference is what makes the traders worth it aswell. I also think raids still feel rewarding as you can sell things for lots of money to then purchase things.
100% agree. also factory moment was very funny :D
I love factory, but that shit hates me.
Flea Market was the biggest mistake BSG ever made for the game. I have been saying this since my second wipe, about 4 years ago.
You've seen the decay.
72 subs? should be way higher. this is some quality content / editing.
I've done editing for a long time, just haven't actually tried to make a specific thing. Thank you though!
agreed and fired editing subbed
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I 100% agree with your manifesto sir
lol I commented that before the unibomber image 😂
@@sweetsoft Tar Kovynski
.12 was the best patch before the FIR garbage and flea item restrictions. Now people want it gone. Newgens and streamers are ruining tarkov
I like how it is right now where hideout stuff is FIR and I think the flea should only be for gear
This nerd doesnt know of 2017/2018 tarkov free market..
@@Jj88889 I literally talk about it in the video brother.
I mean the trade off to getting around vendor rep via the flea is the ~2-4x markup. Theyre making the game *tedious* not "hardcore" like they want it to be. Sifting through bags of trash for a key that im going to use once for a quest isnt "hardcore" its tedious for the sake of being tedious. I like the idea of no flea but they *will not implement this change properly if they do it* they will fuck it up. Theyll remove flea, not add fuck all else to traders, not buff loot in raid to compensate until a year later. BSG is a masterclass in "excellent ideas, dog shit implementation" Dont give me no its in beta shit, i fucking love the game but its live service minus the typical live service shit thats labeled as a "beta" so they can just "oops my bad, beta testing still" their way out of any and all piss poor choices
5300+ hours here, and I've gotta say, I think the first 19 days without flea no matter what this wipe was some of the most fun I've had in a long time in Tarkov
@@Vincent-ly1cp just over that myself too, and felt the exact same way.
No bs you are the first person I’ve heard agree with me the flee ruins the game every player has meta guns armor and ammo before it was fun not knowing what the dude was gonna have or be running now it’s 1 of 5-6 guns and the same attachments
Hell yea brother
DELETE THE FLEA ! CHEATERS EVERYWHERE
L take , just don’t fucking use it
I didn't believe it, but the no flea at the beginning of the wipe was actually good. I want to see a whole wipe without the flea and let's see how the game feels.
Preach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best thing to do is have it locked till like 3 weeks into the wipe but once you get early wipe done the big chads have level 4 anyway. Scav running is hundreds of thousands per hour and the alternative is sifting through 1000 jackets and files on Shoreline
An interesting suggestion I heard was to lock flea market behind the stash upgrades, and make it very ruble-expensive to unlock. Also make flea market items level-locked. Then over time reduce the cost of unlocking which allows more players to unlock it and hopefully takes away a large amount of money from the best players, slowing down their progression if they do want to unlock it.
Thank god some people are on the same wavelength; hoping this hits the RUclips algo G spot!!
Show people the video. Show people the truth.
I've never had more disagreement on a topic in Tarkov, there's people that say "I want flee because I have a job I don't want to quest' and then the direct opposite saying "I DON'T want flea because I have a job and I don't want progression ramping up", I was totally against flea being taken away this wipe and wanted it so bad, now that I have everything I want from the flea I realize I'm a dog chasing cars, I got what I wanted and now I don't know what to do. Flea has genuinely ruined the game since it's introduction and I'm confident in saying it
I trade no flea for buffed loot spawns on maps and adding more POI to parts of maps that are completely fucked IE the entire upper floor of interchange and most of the parking garage
Interchange is a huge contender for my favorite map. Seeing an image of a fully stocked KIBA in PVE just made me really bummed. The second floor of ULTRA is completely pointless for loot.
@MeBoost I'd take in a second no flea for more loot and game play earning of stuff So many maps nerfed and empty space No flea and nerfed loot would make the game an annoying grind fest
I don't have room in my stash to hold found in raid hide out items and also barter and crafting items
i rly liked not having the flea again, when i started on tarkov flea didn't exist yet, neither the hideout. But but my god, having the hideout stuff be FIR is the most obnoxious fukng sht nikita did in his life
Factual mans out here
Lightkeeper fun tho
@@matthewgoodwin3645 I will never know.
Hey, great video, very funny, well edited, and I think you changed my opinion on the flea market myself, keep up the good work.
bro is spittin'
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Amazing video, completely agree with every point you made honestly. people get too consumed in flipping items and making the funny number go up that they completely ignore that the games meant to be a survival game, with an abundance of money and complete availability of gear that tension you get from having good gear is gone same with the rewarding feeling of getting out with good gear or items.
Exactly. I want the confidence that better gear should give. Instead I think "At least I can compete".
At a certain point, you just gotta consider playing something else. The game is past its prime never to return, with BSG either ignorant or pushing forward the design decisions that are frustrating you. There are other, more rewarding, horizons to seek out if you desire them. It's simply a matter of if you have the strength to leave a game you use to love.
@@Wulfenthrad nah, how about the casuals change games and they the niche to hardcore players(not to confuse with nolifers).
@@VrodegTheGoblin717 Ah yes, because people who are better at the game than you aren't part of the 'hardcore' crowd, they're lame, stinky, and a myriad of other distasteful stereotypes you fantasize about to make yourself feel better about dying to them.
Despite the tone of the video, Tarkov will never die purely based on the fact that it is the only game that does what it does with so much depth. It is an insane project that no major studio would even risk attempting to emulate 1:1. I love this game. I also really hate this game. I have no choice but to play Tarkov if I want this experience.
@@MeBoost I think that sentiment is echoed by most people unfortunately. Hopefully one day Tarkov will get some decent competition, it would do the game some good.
@ Very true
Flea sucks
Don't let the 9 to 5 dads and casual shitlings find out about this or they'll go insane.
When did you start playing Tarkov ?
@@stasya-maksim 2019.
@ so you remember when people had hundreds of mils of rubl and everything was cheaper, yet nowadays people have less money and it everything costs more. Sure, streamers and people who play a lot (of whom I’m not an exception) have enough money to where they don’t have to care about it anymore, but if you were to make an average for most players, I’d say they’re below the “poverty line” so to speak. It’s important to include the average 2hr/day Timmy in the discussion as well, for he and many others of his like make up the major playerbase
@@stasya-maksimtimmy went broke within the first two weeks of the wipe and has been on scav based life support since(i know timmy cause i am timmy)
Amazing video for someone with 30 subs. Have mine
Earned my sub, and hopefully many more. GL bro. The Bit at 4:00 sums up my feelings towards the content most Tarky streamers make now.
Always appreciate it.
I feel like the people who haven’t been playing this game since alpha have no fucking clue what they’re talking about.
I feel like the casuals who came over from casual games once they feel off, have absolutely ruined Tarkov and changed what it's about with their constant cries.
agree to some degre, since it for sure was more fun to run lvl 4 trader stuff for a month or 2. meanwhile majority of players dont even have 545 ps rounds. meaning basicly imortal first months
Seek mental help bro. You sound really depressed. I advise you to not play this game while in the headspace you depict in this video. It doesnt really sound like youre doing a character either.
Projecting much?
@@krollgrend1888 Not really. I actually enjoy the game and im not really opinionated about it. Only thing i dont like about tarkov is the community i guess.
@ but you have an opinion that this guy should seek help based on how they are talking? Dude made a meme video and instead of having a conversation about the topic you launched into needing mental help. Just a sad attempt at a low blow because you don’t agree with the topics brought to hand.
@@krollgrend1888Is this supposed to be a funny video? I cant really see it. The guy is venting about his nihilistic relationship with this game, and it comes of as very toxic to me. I just dont understand how people complain so much abut this game, yet keeps playing it. Maybe the guy needs a nudge in the right direction? Im letting him know that its OK to not play the game.
@@erlendhansen5635there is literally no other game like it with its depth. It's like seeing a ocean that's polluted with a bunch of actual poop.