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Intelligent Controls works with manufacturers, builders, and retail businesses to provide the best technology options available for the off-grid, solar, mobile, security, and energy storage markets. As a technical distributor for Victron Energy, we'll help you find the best products for your application and fast track your design-build process.
Basic Commissioning Steps for Victron Inverters
What happens when a Victron Energy inverter/charger loses battery communications? In this video, we discuss what happens and how to edit the inverter's default charging parameters, allowing you to charge your battery bank with the appropriate voltages until communications are restored. This example off-grid power system includes 48-volt Pylontech US5000 LiFePO4 batteries. When adjusting these settings, reference your battery's manual.
00:00 Large, 48V mobile power system
00:26 Pylontech-Victron comms via DVCC
00:47 What if we lose battery coms?
01:18 Why set default charging parameters
2:21 Inverter/charger default settings
2:49 Battery-specific inverter settings
5:14 MPPT solar charge control...
00:00 Large, 48V mobile power system
00:26 Pylontech-Victron comms via DVCC
00:47 What if we lose battery coms?
01:18 Why set default charging parameters
2:21 Inverter/charger default settings
2:49 Battery-specific inverter settings
5:14 MPPT solar charge control...
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Inside the new Energy Storage Cabinet from Pylontech
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Pylontech's IP55-rated Energy Storage Cabinet adds flexibility and style to your home power system. At $900 per unit, this cabinet is designed to fit up to 4 Pylontech US5000 batteries for 19.2kW. Have a question? Contact Mike directly at mike@icmontana.com. 📍Product information: icmontana.com/products/pylontech-energy-storage-cabinet 📍Related Reading | What’s Inside Pylontech’s Battery Storage...
More Communication, More Power | The Pylontech Low-Voltage Combiner Hub
Просмотров 4,5 тыс.5 месяцев назад
A Pylontech Low Voltage Hub (LV-HUB) allows you to combine more than the default 16 Pylontech batteries for up to 96 batteries in a communicating 460.8 kWh power bank. In this video, we show how to set up the Low-Voltage Hub and discuss its advantages, particularly when paired with Victron Energy equipment. This battery combiner hub is compatible with the US3000C and US5000 battery from Pylonte...
Pylontech Cabling Master Class
Просмотров 9 тыс.5 месяцев назад
Pylontech's 48 Volt batteries have unique cabling features. This video provides a thoroughly considered approach to sizing and wiring your battery bank. 📍Related Reading | Adding Capacity to a Pylontech Lithium Battery Bank: icmontana.com/blogs/technical-articles/adding-capacity-to-a-pylontech-lithium-battery-bank *Video chapters:* 00:00 Introduction 00:12 What's included with each battery 01:1...
Battery-Inverter Communications: Open vs. Closed-Loop Coms
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In this video, we cover basic concepts related to battery-inverter communications, specifically, the difference between open and closed-loop communication and what's best for managing lithium batteries. 📍Related Reading | Battery Communication: Closed vs. Open-Loop Communications: icmontana.com/blogs/technical-articles/battery-communication-closed-loop-vs-open-loop-communications *Video chapter...
Understanding MPPT Charge Controllers
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Using a Victron MPPT solar charge controller can improve your PV performance by 30, even 40%. That's significant, especially when charging a battery bank. In this video, we compare Victron's Maximum Power Point Tracker technology to the older PWM technology to demonstrate how it works and what advantages it offers. 📌 MPPT Solar Charge Controllers Explained: icmontana.com/blogs/technical-article...
Intro to Pylontech’s US5000 48 Volt Lithium Battery
Просмотров 18 тыс.7 месяцев назад
Learn why we use, support, and recommend Pylontech’s US5000 48V, rack-mount battery for a wide range of off-grid and battery backup systems. Have a question about the battery or your system design? Reach out to Mike directly at mike@icmontana.com. *Video chapters:* 00:00 Introduction 00:10 Who is Pylontech? 00:44 US5000 Basic Specs 01:01 95% Depth of Discharge 01:51 Updated Cycle Rating 02:36 1...
This RV power couple is Alaska road-ready | Victron system upgrade in Brinkley Model Z
Просмотров 5 тыс.Год назад
In preparing for a three-month trip to Alaska, Kathy and Gary wanted a power system that would allow them to camp for several days without having to plug in at a campground. Through a great deal of personal research - and partnering with an experienced installer - their new system gives them greater freedom and peace of mind as they embark on their next adventure. 00:00 The Alaska plan 00:35 Di...
Victron Energy Power System Upgrade in Luxury Brinkley Model Z 3100 Fifth Wheel
Просмотров 4,3 тыс.Год назад
Russ and Tina are ready for some serious summer of fun in their beautiful new Brinkley fifth wheel. Our friend Ken Smith at Adventure Van Systems recently upgraded their power system using Victron Energy components. With plans to retire next year and hit the road full-time, the couple needed a robust battery-inverter system that would allow them to camp off-grid for one or two nights with room ...
Remote Generator Auto Start/Stop using a Victron Cerbo GX
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In this video, we share how to program a Victron Energy Cerbo GX to start and stop your generator based on custom conditions such as battery state of charge (SOC), Battery Voltage, or AC loads. For written steps and more helpful tips, read our recent technical article: icmontana.com/blogs/technical-articles/remote-generator-auto-start-stop-using-a-victron-cerbo-gx
Introducing Pylontech's 12V 100Ah Lithium Battery
Просмотров 2,8 тыс.Год назад
In this video, we’re looking at Pylontech’s 12-Volt model, the RT12100G31, icmontana.com/products/pylontech-12v-100ah Durable, compact, and IP65-rated, this lithium iron phosphate battery is ideal for portable power storage or external enclosures and a drop-in replacement for AGM or lead-acid batteries used in marine, vehicle, and RV applications.
Add Your Business Logo to a Victron GX Touch Display
Просмотров 7 тыс.Год назад
Can you customize the display on your Victron GX Touch 50 to show your business logo in place of the default Victron Energy logo? You sure can. Step one: find the IP Address for your Victron GX device. Follow along to toggle on the correct settings on your device.
New Ways to Monitor Small Power Systems with Victron's GlobalLink 520 & Ruuvi Sensors
Просмотров 9 тыс.Год назад
What's the state of charge for each battery in a fleet of 100 emergency response vehicles? Now it's surprisingly easy to find out. The GlobalLink 520 offers a low-cost, simple solution for connecting smaller power systems to Victron's Remote Management Portal (VRM). Once added to VRM, you can review the real-time performance of each system, analyze & diagnose issues, and make changes to the set...
Extend the Life of Your Battery With Victron's Blue Smart IP65 Charger
Просмотров 18 тыс.2 года назад
While many battery chargers only offer a voltage reading, Victron's Blue Smart IP65 charger provides a long list of intelligent features that work together to help extend your battery life. Built-in Bluetooth and the free VictronConnect app also make this charger fully programmable and give valuable insight into the health of your battery. Read our blog article for a deep dive into stand-out fe...
Monitor Temperature on Victron's Cerbo GX Using Ruuvi Sensors
Просмотров 47 тыс.2 года назад
You can now use built-in relays on a Victron Cerbo GX device to control things based on temperature data using a Ruuvi Bluetooth sensor. See the links below for an overview of Ruuvi's main products as well as step-by-step instructions for connecting an out-of-the-box Ruuvi to a Cerbo GX, how to set a relay controlled by temperature data coming from the Ruuvi, and how to set alerts in Victron's ...
Hi, what is the latest firmware from the lv-hub and how to upgrade?
Hi there; if you send me an email at mike@icmontana.com, I'll walk you through it.
How low temprature can Pylontech US5000 battery take? We have US2000, what about these?
Mike, please make a video of Pylontech mixed size battery banks. This seems to very possible via Pylon BMS as long as the latest version battery is the master...There are many debates around this. The scenario is where you have an existing U2000 battery bank and want to expand, but you can't find U2000's anymore or it is cheaper to get a 3.5kwh Pylon...
Hi Jaco, I can confirm both from Pylontech’s official documentation and from personal experience that mixing and matching the various sizes of the Pylontech US series batteries is possible and easy to do. We are due to shoot another batch of videos this fall, I may hook up a US3000 and US5000 together and show what happens with some data pulled off the BMS.
Hi Mike, thank you for this video. I have just tried to add a US200C as master to my stack of three US2000 batteries but the the MegaRevo 8K inverter presents a 27 BMS Communications error. All batteries have Dip switch 1 set to 0 so the communications rate is the same at 115k. I am suspecting that my old BMS cable to the Inverter that worked with the three US2000 batteries in not wired properly for the newer US200C battery. Am I correct?
Hello David. You are correct that the BMS cable for the US2000C is different from what you are currently using. In terms of the BMS cables available from Victron, the US2000 uses a BMS Type B cable while the US2000C uses a BMS type A cable. Functionally, the difference is that the ground wire on the battery side is on pin 2 for the US2000 and is on pin 6 for the US2000C. Please check my response to the email you sent me for a visual diagram.
@@intelligentcontrols Hi Mike, thank you so much responding with such a helpful answer. I responded to you by email but am also responding here as it may be helpful to someone. I was able to successfully build a new cable and it is working flawlessly. All I needed was pins 4/5. Thank you again so much.
series configuration is incorrect on drawing. Thanks for the information.
Ah! Good eye, Rob. Some of the colors are backward. Thanks for watching.
Can i take out 150 ah from that battery after installing 6x us5000
Hello, the batteries are 100AH each with a 1C rate of 100A. To figure out exactly how many hours your 6 batteries will last, divide 600AH by however many amps you intend to continuously draw. You can also do the same with Watts, each battery is 4800W.
0.00 amps in bulk mode Phone says 13.6 15A.. Gets hot..... 0.00 1 button fir 2 banks of options and goes absolutely crazy trying to cycle manually.. and refused to bluetooth about 30 times.. (kept getting stuck at 20%) ABSOLUTE TRASH OUT THE BOX!.
@nobiden3134 , that sounds super frustrating. Get in touch over email and we can probably help you figure out what's going on (question@icmontana.com).
How I get in Pakistan?
Hi Shaheen, I really don’t know, sorry. You might look for the nearest distributor on Victron’s Where to Buy Map.
I have 600 watts panels and plan on buying a 'solar generator' (aka power station) with 200 watts input. If I place an MPPT controller between panels (in series) and power station, could I send the correct 200 watt current to the power station? If I connected directly the 600w panels to the 200w input power station, would I fry the power station?
Mike, thanks for another excellent video! Given your experience with both Victron and Pylontech, could you create a video explaining how to effectively set up one or more Pylontech US5000 batteries with a Multiplus-II controlled by a Cerbo GX? Please cover how the Pylontech BMS functions and provide detailed instructions on configuring the ESS Assistant with the mentioned equipment.
Mike, thanks for another excellent video! Given your experience with both Victron and Pylontech, could you create a video explaining how to effectively set up one or more Pylontech US5000 batteries with a Multiplus-II controlled by a Cerbo GX? Please cover how the Pylontech BMS functions and provide detailed instructions on configuring the ESS Assistant with the mentioned equipment.
I have 12 unit of us 3000 ,any explanation on the dip switch settings
Hello, unless you are planning on adding 5 or more units to your system, there is no real need to mess with an LV-HUB for 12 US3000s. For normal configurations, the short answer is that the DIPs never need to be changed from their default positions. If you happen to be connecting to an inverter via RS485 using a 9600 baud rate, then DIP1 on the master battery (they are labeled upside down) needs to be turned on.
I have enjoyed the evolution of off-grid camping as a camp host over the decades. I try to be a model for our camp hosts, not a preacher. No matter how much you preach, they almost always show up with a distorted & cheaper version that will perform differently & fail uniquely so that you have to gently re-educate them, spoon-feeding as you go. We went from a couple AGM batteries, 250-W of solar, & a decent Tri-metric monitor & charge controls with a 400-w inverter in our truck camper back in 2011 to various modest evolutions as we upgraded RVs & camp host locations with different solar levels available. Now, as a manager, we didn't need an inverter as traveling between seasons and overnight Harvest Host stops we just used our generator for 3 minutes coffee or microwave uses, yet enjoy our 200 AH Lifepo4 batteries to overnight run our DC RV, furnace fan, lights, etc. Now as we are closer to semi-retiring, our next coach will be a Brinkley & it is time to consider winter snowbirding with a combo of roof & ground solar, single 3-KW inverter, 300AH Lifepo4, & 30-A DC vehicle charging, etc. With camp hosting & snowbirding I like modest systems that still perform reliably as needed, with the generator used modestly as needed. Case in point, last winter it was cool & rainy in Quartzite a lot. Every single large PV system was running their generator a lot, those who filled their generator bay with batteries bought out all the portable generators in the valley. They had to run them a lot to fill those huge banks. When we went to do elder care in FL & the RV park blew two huge transformers, our 200-AH batteries performed all night to run our fridge, furnace, & lights while most others went to a motel & had spoiled food in their fridges (most had a single L.A. battery & a 12-volt fridge). As we pursue purchasing our Brinkley Z 2900 we will keep you folks in mind. Cheers, Davey & Sheila
I have 6 x UP5000 batteries . I am getting UF5000 . Can i add that UF5000 model with UP5000 models
Unfortunately they cannot be combined. The new UF5000 batteries are a 16 cell configuration which bumps them slightly higher on the voltage spectrum.
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Would love to see some more informateion on victrons class-t power in as this seems to now be more appropriate for LifePo4 batteries and the high Aic that mega fuses might not be able to handle.
That looks like a nice van setup for traveling.
Ha! This system could power a small house, honestly, but it's a really cool system to feature - it's not as common to see 48V systems in mobile applications. This van is going to be used by the University of Montana and the US Forest Service to monitor air quality - it’s really hard to get science instruments out to prescribed burns, etc., so a mobile station offers a quick deployment option in the event of a fire. I'm excited to see the final product - we'll certainly share a link to a little story or case study, I'm sure.
!00% Infomercial!
Oh, 100%. We are completely sold on the Victron-Pylontech dream team. Can't stop talking about it. What brands do you like to use?
@@intelligentcontrols -- only the ones that use 16 cells for a 48V battery!
@@rpsmith Interesting, why is that?
@@intelligentcontrols -- The industry standard is 16 cell. However, budget batteries tend to use 15 cells to maximize profits. More is better when it comes to battery voltage!
@@rpsmith If you dig into the spec sheet, I think you'll find that the Pylontechs' overall usable capacity-due to the quality of their proprietary cells-more than makes up for the .32 kW gained by 16-cell competitors.
Thanks for the clear explanation. If I add a new pylontech battery to my existing stack, do I need to let them balance amongst each other first, before connecting them to the inverters? Or will that sort itself out over time?
Thanks for the question! With Pylontech batteries, all you need to do is get the battery connected and in communication, then the BMS will take over to ensure that the new battery comes into balance with its partners. To my knowledge, no other battery readily available in the US has this functionality. Every other battery I have worked with needs to be manually balanced before connection, if you are even able to add a new battery at all. Hats off to Pylontech’s BMS for this.
There is an error in your setting since Pylontech recommend the Bulk/absrtion to be 52 and float 51V
Hi Sebastian. Good catch, but those float and absorption numbers are based on an older version of the Pylontech batteries. The new Pylontech manual specifies a charge voltage of up to 53.5V.
Good morning, your videos are very interesting.... I have a question how can I connect a pylontk us 5000 battery to a victron cerbo gx and with which cable? thanks in advance
Hey! Good morning. What you want is a called a VE.Can to CAN-bus BMS cable (icmontana.com/products/ve-can-to-can-bus-bms-cable?variant=42832965664998)
As a rookie, I am amazed at the possibilities you reveal and thankful for your intelligent assistance.
Thank you for this video, definitely will help me with our system moving forward.
Great, so glad this was helpful!
Sorry to sound like a newb but I am.... Why do we always seem to use fuses and not MCB's for overload protection? Thanks.
Hey, no problem at all. The primary advantage comes down to speed. A fuse will blow in about 2 milliseconds, while an MCB takes 20 ms. Additionally, while an MCB might seem to have an advantage with its reusability, if a fuse in one of these systems blows it's generally because there has been some catastrophic failure and having someone reset an MCB without addressing the issue could be dangerous.
@@intelligentcontrols thanks
So the end runs are rated at 120A and they go from the battery to a busbar. Well if there's 3 sets of end runs going to the busbar.... what size cable do you need to go from the busbar to the inverter? Still 120A or 360A?
Hi David, thanks for the question. The cable running from busbar to inverter should be rated for at least as much as the combined value of end runs. So in your example, 360A.
@@intelligentcontrols I thought so, thanks for clearing that up. Are you sure the pylontech cables are rated at 120A? I can't find that anywhere on Pylontechs website. Or is that the industry standard for 25mm cable?
Yes, 120A - pylontech specifies so in the manual.
@@intelligentcontrols thanks again for the info. Can you please clear a couple of things up for me? Is the 120A at continuous running? Also the manual for my us5000's states a recommended discharge current of 80A and peak of 100A but the sticker on the side of the battery states nominal 50A and maximum 100A. I have 2 us5000 batteries. Should I set my inverter to discharge at a maximum of 100A or 160A (well 120A until I upgrade my cables)? Many thanks
@@sukmy1i sorry for the delayed reply.. The cables are rated for 120A continuous and the batteries can handle 100A. The thing is, if you are running at the absolute maximum to meet your loads, then that is really just a signal to size up your system. Your car can likely go 120mph, but if you drove it around all day at that speed then your service life is going way down. If your loads are not a deciding factor and can be whatever you allow them to be, then I would take the number of batteries you have and multiply them by 50A. Then size your number of cables so that a single pair of end runs never has more than 100A going through it. That will give you a nice middle ground for your max discharge current that won't overtax your system. If your needs are more than that, you can make it work up but I would start looking to add more capacity.
Thank you! Looking forward for your next videos.
Thank you, Viktor!
Good morning, nice video congratulations.... I have three Pylonteck 5000 connected in parallel. I have a Chinese-made inverter that does not communicate with them. I set the various parameters manually in use. They work well because I can see it from the LEDs on the batteries. Can you connect a Victron Cerbo GX to connect and view the batteries in more detail? What software should you use then? Thank you very much
Hey, thank you and good Q! You could totally buy a Cerbo GX and a touchscreen and just use it as a really expensive battery monitor. It would also give you remote access. You would also need a BMS cable, and you could even get a Cerbo-S, which would be a bit lower cost. And then, when you’re inverter dies you can get a Victron inverter and live the dream. :)
@@intelligentcontrols Thank you very much, very kind... so should I buy a cerbo -S (this works with wifii), a monitor and a cable BMS RS485 cable? Thanks again
@@user-ml8gg6xv7w What you would buy is called a Victron VE.Can to CAN-bus BMS type A Cable
Hello! Very usefull video! How do we get MTTP back to "Controlled by BMS" setting?
Hi Cristian, thanks for the question. In a Victron system with a Pylontech battery, it’s an automatic setting. If there’s a BMS and it detects a BMS, it toggles it to "Controlled by BMS." Different batteries communicate differently (or don't communicate at all), introducing complications - and that’s where battery choice really matters. But in this setup, when reconnected (the coms cable is connected and if the DVCC is turned ON), the MPPT will automatically switch to controlled by BMS.
hi, i have 2 us 3000 batts on my system and i have access to two us 2000, can i mix these together? regards red
Hey, thanks for the question. You can mix the US3000 and US2000 batteries. When combining them, just make sure that one of the US3000s is acting as the master battery.
Three US5000 are to much for the small 25mm² cables!
That's why you can use multiple cables. If you are pulling more than 100A off of three batteries, all you need is another cable kit.
2 questions. 1. The ATC dry contact could be used on the ATC input signal wire on an alternator controller, does the ATC contact open before the FETs open to allow the alternator to stop charging before the batteries isolate. 2. From the manuals the heating only comes on below -20degC to allow discharge, but what about recharging which needs above 0degC.
Hi @flyingpeterf, good point. 1) The alternator controller that we’re thinking about with this example, is something small like an Orion or the new XS DC-DC charger which can be isolated without damaging the alternator. If you're using a Zeus or a Wakespeed (100s of amps), then you do need to be conscious of not isolating your alternator under full load - that’s where the alternator controller should be protecting the alternator. 2) The heater has two modes. The first is a “soft off” mode, where the heater will only auto-activate at around -20C to prevent the cells from becoming too cold to discharge. The second is the “On Mode'' which can be activated via the Bluetooth app or by inserting the heater plug into the I/O port. In this mode, the heater kicks on at around 4C to keep the cells within discharge temperature. So, the idea is that the battery will never get too cold to prevent itself from discharging, which means that you should always have the ability to warm it up from self-consumption. However, if the battery is just sitting unused in a cabin, there is no real need to have it maintaining >4C and wasting power. Hope this helps!
@intelligent Controls very interesting video.. thx! one question though.. I have 6 batteries (US5000) and 4 sets of end runs in a 3 phase system with 3 Multiplus II 5000. do I need extra sets of end runs to connect 6 more batteries? I don't want extra power, just more storage. The power is limited by the Multiplus imho. I will not be using more amps with 12 instead of 6 batteries, right?
Hi Nick, since the bottleneck in this system is the MultiPlus, there is no need to increase the cable runs with a storage upgrade. Ultimately, the batteries will do less work, and the cabling and inverter will work the same.
I Have 6 for 6 months now and looking to add another 2 just so i get the margins right and have them discharge to max 40% also charge close to 100% fro 10-12k cycles .. install and firger system with victron gear ...just love it !
Anthony, thanks so much for sharing your experience. That's one of our favorite features of the Pylontech US series as well. That ability to add another battery, or two (or ten - of any size!) to a Pylontech bank is a feature that is just awesome for our customers, both small systems for homeowners and large industrial systems alike. It suits the modular mentality of the Victron systems incredibly well, and it speaks to the quality of the communications within the Pylontech bank.
Will this work with the color control Gx ? If not what sensor do you recommend for live vrm temperature monitoring for color control?
Hi there, this firmware update is unique to the Cerbo GX and the GlobalLink. I am not aware of another product that offers similar functionality with older GX devices. The Cerbo is a really powerful communications hub with lots of potential for advanced controls and product integrations like this one, thus Victron's focus on the Cerbo during this collaboration with Ruuvi.
Hey Ken. We have a generator and 2 Battleborn GC3’s in our Z3100…so not much room for a Victron MultiPlus II unless I mount it to the compartment ceiling…or in the basement which I really don’t want to do. What do you think about ceiling mounting the inverter? Maybe some peripherals on the passenger side wall by the propane?
Hi there, asked Ken your question. His reply: "Although there is no problem with mounting the MultiPlus II on the ceiling, I prefer to keep it lower in the space and vertical for better cooling. I would consider adding a thermostatically controlled fan in the compartment to help circular cool air to the inverter, possibly tied to the factory battery vent inlet."
This video covers a valid point. It's all about redundancy, especially in harsher climates. I can understand in extreme cold climates it's not always possible to climate control the battery room leading to reduced capacity and even a battery shutting down due too cold to charge a possibility Here in most of Australia due the hot summer weather 3 months of the year we always DERATE everything to 70% MAXIMUM CONTINUOUS current. That is BOTH with the batteries and inverter being usually in an air conditioned room set to a max of 27 degrees C when it can be 45 outside for the hottest hours of the day. When it's hot we have so much sun and long days so climate control of the battery room is so easy to do as we have surplus solar power. We always look at the best outcome for longevity of life for the hardware and reliability of day to day use as a worst case weather situation. Interestingly my Pylontech US5000-B battery label states 50 amps is the preferred CONTINUOUS CURRENT per battery and 100 amps Max , so my spec across 3 batteries is 150 amps x 48volts = 7.2Kw @ 240 volts is it's comfort zone. There is also up to 200 amps PEAK rating per battery for "seconds" on top of that and the inverter can do 22Kw peak to cope with induction motor starts such as air compressors, water pumps or large power tools and even welders My 3 x US5000-B batteries run 2 sets of end run cables giving 240 amps (cable amps continuous) that feed an 11kw inverter that is feeding a home demand load max CONTINUOUS LOAD of 7.2Kw (approx 70% max load) or what we call a (very common) 240 volts 32 amp circuit. This is fine for a small 120 sqm home. You will need double that for a large 240sqm plus family home with air conditioning by far the biggest current draw with cooking after that. Heat pumps are used for hot water and excel in hot climates using only 1-3 kwh per day so are not big power users. So even if 1 battery were to drop out of the 3 it would not be noticed in the home as 2 batteries can easily supply 75 amps each. Not ideal for longevity but any battery issue would likely be fixed in days or weeks and not months or years
Thanks so much for sharing this Philip. This is exactly the kind of system design philosophy that we are trying to share over here in the States. I can't think of any other critical home system that gets day-to-day use that gets constantly run on the bleeding edge of maximum performance, some level of redundancy is always key. It sounds like you have some great systems!
really need help. I'm searching the internet, but I can't find clear answers anywhere. 1.) I need a charger that I can use without removing the battery from the car. Can I use it this way by connecting it to specific terminals in the car? 2.) How does the PowerSupply mode work? Can I use this mode for constant voltage charging of the battery? For example, I set the voltage to 14V and the current to 5A. What will happen if the current exceeds 5A, will the charger lower the voltage?"
Hi there. Yes, you can definitely use a BlueSmart IP65 charger while the battery is in the vehicle. The clamps accessory works excellently to attach directly to the battery studs. The M6/M8 Eyelets accessory is also a great way to more permanently mount a charging point so you can use the quick connect any time you’d like to hook up the charger to the +/- of the system. The Power supply mode provides a constant voltage with amperage up to the maximum amperage you have chosen (usually either full amperage, or half). You could, in theory, use that mode to charge a battery, but you’d not benefit from any of the sophisticated charge curves the unit is capable of. So while you could do so, I would highly encourage using the charger functionality as it is designed to charge a battery and then safely keep it at a full charge. All parameters are adjustable within the Victron Connect app on a smartphone, which allows for detailed control. If you haven’t yet downloaded Victron Connect on a smartphone or laptop, I suggest doing so. There is a “demo” section where you can open up a demo of the software for nearly any Bluetooth capable Victron device that can be controlled via smartphone to see what the settings are/what they can be.
📍For product info and related technical articles: icmontana.com/products/pylontech-us5000
I dont recomend Pylontech batteries, in two or tree years they will inflate. About Warranty The distributors reserve the right to give the guarantee and in practice they will not accept it even if in theory you have a 7-year guarantee, prismatic cells are better as you can always find spare parts since pylontech are special, they are 5s per module at least in the that i have.
Hi Practicas, thanks for sharing your perspective. Pylontech is a global brand, sold into many different markets and applications, and distributors certainly vary in their ability to support their customers. We value your experience. All we know is our experience and the experience of our customers and partners in Europe who have used Pylontech for many more years than we have. What brand of battery do you feel is a better choice? We’re always looking to learn what people like and why. Have you had experience with Victron batteries? The Smart Lithiums are great and use prismatic cells. The NG SmartLithiums are coming out soon, and we’re looking forward to getting our hands on them.
Can I mix up5000 with us5000?
Yes
Hi Sergey, we haven’t tried it because we haven’t had them/sold them. Pylontech has made many batteries that we haven’t had access to or experience with in the United States.
hello, I have two Pylontech batteries. I need to know how I can install live monitoring (WIFI). The batteries are connected to a solar inverter.
Hello Charbel, what inverter are you using?
@@intelligentcontrols Hello, I use an inverter voltronic axpert max duplex 11kw
@@CharbelAbouJaoudeh-ug2or I'm sorry, we don't have any experience with that brand. Best to reach out to them to see what's possible.
hello, I have two Pylontech batteries. I need to know how I can install live monitoring (WIFI). The batteries are connected to a solar inverter.
Hi Charbel, thanks for the question. I believe you and Mike are already troubleshooting this via email, correct?
The US5000C allows approx. 75A, which is around 3.6kW at 48V - is that the maximum power with which I could charge my ev?- I'm planning 5x pylontech US5000 on the Deye SUN-12K-SG04LP3-EU - and would like to be able to charge the car battery for 150 km overnight. - Does it work?
Hi there, the batteries are capable of handling 100A a piece, but the 75-80A mark is a better sweet spot for increased battery life. I recommend multiplying the number of batteries you are using by that 75A and then having that set as your discharge limit. If you size the battery bank appropriately, there should be no issue with your application.
@@intelligentcontrols Thanks a lot. The SUN-12K-SG04LP3-EU is compatibel? I have two compatibilty-lists from pylontech, in one of them it is not listed. One last question - the us5000 is LiFePo4, NOT LiIon, right?
@@nanookpictures, Correct, this is an LiFePO4 - a very safe, stable battery chemistry. US5000s have been used for many years, particularly in Europe and Australia, in residential settings (temp-controlled garages, indoor living spaces, etc.). This integration with Victron is now into its 8th year at least. Have a look at the 2023 compatibility list: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0628/8041/5974/files/Pylontech_Compatible_List_V2.08_ESS-2023.pdf?v=1715796562. I don't see it listed - happy to help you confirm with Pylontech if you'd like to shoot me an email at question@icmontana.com
Check out an Australian company called Safiery. They have some excellent can bus dc dc converter tech for 48v high side to 12 or 24v low side bi directional power and charging for RV and mobile applications. Fully compatible with a Victron GX also 👍
Hey, thanks for putting me onto this; they are super cool. I’m going to do a deep dive on these and report back. - Mike
I have a Brinkley and love it too but this isn’t a win for them. A story about a neat couple that happened to find the one guy that could build this. Brinkley needs a Victron factory option.
Dealers can’t do this.
Hi Tom. When comparing Brinkley to the general RV market, this was a major win for any aftermarket upgrades. Some RV power systems are perfectly adequate but can be a real mess to do an upgrade to - both by the dealer or by an owner after purchase. Brinkley has thankfully built a system that is organized and detailed and has a much higher level of quality in their execution than we see in most other options. While Ken is a very skilled installer, in his own words, ‘Brinkley made this process very easy,’ and it's something that a technician experienced in Victron equipment could manage but yes, you do have to go out and find them. We love the idea of some options from the factory, and have certainly started that conversation. For those who already have a Brinkley or are looking to purchase a new or used Brinkley now, we hope this can be an encouragement that doing something similar is possible. Ken even offers equipment and guidance if you want to do such an upgrade yourself.
What's the maximum distance the battery can be from the solar inverter its connected too.
Hi @cathalc9720, the maximum distance is determined more by the cabling and amperage of your system than any manufacturer specification. Ideally, it will be closer to the inverter/charger as that will simplify cabling if you have communications between the battery and the charger and allow for lower gauge (and/or fewer) positive and negative power cables. Some states have specific rules, so be sure to update yourself depending on your location. NEC recommendations generally indicate that the storage bank and the inverter be within sight of each other to allow you to have a single disconnect rather than a disconnect at each the battery and inverter/charger. If you have further questions related to your specific installation, please feel free to get in touch with us here: icmontana.com/pages/get-in-touch. We'd be happy to answer any questions we can.
Intresting video. I do like them but how are you getting around low charge limits on battery stacks? The physical connections are limited to 125A - which means a stack of any size has this as a hard limit…. On larger systems with say 80kWh worth of US5000’s how are you getting reasonable charge times? The Cerbo GX only seems to support 1 BMS CAN interface per system and if PylonTech is limiting to 100A - thats a trickle charge at best on 16 x us5000… What am I missing? Cheers Martyn
Hey Martyn. The Pylontech cabling system can handle the full 100A continuous current capacity of each battery in a stack. The end runs combined with the shorty connectors allow you to dial in to exactly whatever amperage you are intending the system to handle. When all the batteries are connected via the communication jumper cables, the master BMS identifies how many slave batteries are in the system and then requests the appropriate current limits from the Cerbo GX via DVCC. Check out this video for a deeper dive into the cabling system ruclips.net/video/7RXtUzvPJ-Q/видео.html
This article is a nice intro to DVCC as well: icmontana.com/blogs/technical-articles/victron-s-dvcc-function-explained
No one helped me please replay me I have an inverter and it synchronizes only with the Pylon tech battery of lithium the inverter BMS does not communicate with and I set it manually from the lead acid setting So my question is if I set the battery stop full change value and discharge stop value manually without BMS communication my battery work if it is connected to an inverter to protect my battery
Hi Jason, happy to help. The first thing to be aware of is that your inverter needs to have a lithium charge setting. Using a lead acid charge curve can and will damage the batteries. Look for that setting in your manual. If it doesn’t have it, your inverter may not be compatible with lithium batteries. Once the lithium charge setting is enabled, you can manually enter your setting points to operate the batteries without communication. Here are the settings: Absorption voltage, 52 Volts. Float voltage, 51 Volts. Low Voltage Shutdown, 44 Volts. Absorption time, 1 hr.
They work flawlessly with MPP solar brand inverters using canbus, and many other brands as well. I have the MPP solar 11Kw PIP MAX model inverter/charger and 3 x Pylontech US5000B model (B = addition of a 48V dc breaker to meet the Australian standards) It's used in a Hybrid on/off grid system which gets turned on sundown to sunup to not only use maximum solar but avoid the horrendous peak grid use charges we have here from 4pm to 9pm So simple to use, just press on or off the inverter start button and the whole system boots or shuts down. Add shore power and/or solar and the charging starts
Hi Philip, thanks for the comment! I'm glad you’re having a good experience with the batteries. The system you’re describing sounds really cool.
Good idea but a fairly critical design failure is the location of the isolator, why would you want to reach over the batteries that are faulting and in the worst case scenario going to catch fire to turn off the isolator 🔥
Good observation but this is ultimately a non-issue. The batteries are thoroughly tested and have UL1973 and 9540A certification. Beyond that these are LiFePo4 batteries that have a greatly reduced base risk of a thermal event just due to their chemistry makeup. When the batteries enter a fault state they individually isolate themselves with internal MOSFETs. The main purpose of the isolation switch is not to protect the user from the batteries but rather to disconnect the cabinet of batteries from the larger system so that in a multi-cabinet system you can do maintenance without having to turn everything else off.
@@intelligentcontrolsthanks for the reply, regardless of certification achieved the fire risk is not zero, not to mention there are other reasons you might want quick and unobstructed access to the isolator, it’s a design failure for me but if I had to use the cabinet I’d just install a more safely accessible isolator if it were my installation.