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@@Noahloveless1 Try lethal difficulty next time. Solo lethal. Feel free to check out my channel.

You raise some fair points but the Grenade launcher and Melta are almost identical in terms of strength. Both have 11 shots, both need one shot to kill a Majoris and both have similar crowd control. The Melta loses against extremis, it usually takes three shots center mass while the GL only takes a single hit. It's not the ammo economy that brings the Melta down. It's the range. Right now the Zoanthropes make the grenade launcher the objectively better choice for tyranid operations. Chaos the Melta easily outclasses. You can out heal a chaos terminator that shoots rockets in your face. That is how fast you regenerate contested health. It's not even a debate in that regard. Either Saber nerfs the Zoanthropes for good or gives the Tactical the Neo Volkite Pistol as well. Because he absolutely needs it. Again this isn't even debatable. A single enemy shouldn't force me to swap to a grenade launcher for four out of seven operations. The grenade ammo economy mainly comes into play against terminus level enemies. By far the biggest weakness against solo players who use a GL. The second you dumped your 11 grenades into it it's over for you. I tried the 175% more damage combination and it does not kill a Carnifex or Neurotrophe. It only kills a Helbrute, the easiest terminus enemy in the game. Trust me I have 400 hours in this game. 200 or so with just the Tactical. Probably even more. I don't have to learn this class any further. I respect your opinion but my point still stands. Melta is the objectively better option for the Tactical outside of a single enemy. Which is still ridiculous if you ask me.

Also please stop giving me "tips". It's kinda insulting. We are not on the same playing field in terms of skill. That's like a guardsman trying to explain to an Astartes how power armor works. You can have a debate but know your place.

@@requiemagent3014 You are right about the Melta vs Chaos enemies the vast increase in contested health regen makes it far better for those scenarios, I was thinking about that while I was working. But if a Carnifex is the only Terminus threat I have to worry about with GL because Carnifex are pretty easy to parry spam hunstrike with a fencing weapon. I would rather be able to dump all my grenades into a Neurothrope along with my Krak Grenades if I can manage to find some before encountering it as thats easily enough to either kill it outright or reduce it to less than a quarter of it HP left. Also I wouldn't have to offer tips if you didn't clearly need them, your arguments very clearly showcase your misunderstanding on class efficiencies. I do agree with a good 70-80% of your response made their very sound arguments and showcase the varying downsides and benifits between the two weapon choices but as least have the humility to accept that despite having the same amount of playtime as me (more Tactical playtime i'll admit though. I personally like to play each class equally to better understand the game and it's mechanics overall) that even you can learn something new to help improve your gameplay and help better your viewpoint on topics relating the class dynamics and balance.

@@FellixNoAmatsu Here is the thing I can accept your talking points even tho I disagree with some of them. I even have two flawless runs on my channel. One with a Melta on Ballistic engine and one with a Grenade launcher on inferno. Yes those are solo runs on lethal flawless. Means zero incapacitations. I know my stuff. You can communicate your arguments and I am willing to listen. But don't offer me advice. I am way beyond that point. We don't have to agree on everything to respect each others opinion. I encourage you to watch my runs if you can spare the time. They are mostly unedited so I am not able to cheat and have proof I actually accomplished what I claimed. Everyone who can solo a lethal operation is in the 1% of the Space Marine 2 playerbase. If you are part of that more power to you. But don't let anybody talk down to you. People need to respect your knowledge. That is why I am reluctant to listen to people that are not in my chapter and haven't proven themselves to me. It's that simple. I hope you understand

@@requiemagent3014 Don't get me wrong I agree that you are very good I have seen the videos and your ou gameplay is quite impressive you implement tactics and tricks I thought only I ever do, I have as well solo'd Lethal however only with Tactical and Bulwark so far as they are by far imo the easiest and safest classes for Soloing Lethal with especially Tactical which I personally think trivializes most missions on Lethal with how easy it is to take down Terminus level enemies with. Now I don't make any content or videos of it quite like you do so I cannot show any visual proof of this so you can choose whether you want to believe me or not. I do hope your channel can grow and go places in the future, and I must say that I greatly appreciate being able to debate and discuss gaming with someone actually knowledgeable and intelligent on a topic for once. I respect your thoughts and opinions whether I agree or disagree, and thank you for the time.

@@rchelipilot3581 I don't think we have invented the words yet to express how I feel about the bolt pistol xD

@@DekkarJr I feel you. Bots are not really useful. Saber has buffed them twice by now and they still do barely anything

@@requiemagent3014 i literally watch them c onstantly attacking nothing. lol. Like when i needed them to. like on Imurah in the final battle they dont even attack the dumb Lord of Change bird guys eye. lol I think they somehow made it worse. You can't even choose their weapons either. You should be able to at least customize them a little if they are gonna be so negligent and sucky

@@DJordan115 Sadly that only applies to Zoanthropes in 4.1 right now. Every other enemy is easy prey for the Melta. I am basically just waiting for Saber to nerf the Zoanthropes. Then the grenade launcher is completely obsolete. I only use the GL against Tyranids right now. Chaos is Melta only. Because you need the contested health factor. You can out heal a Terminator that way.

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@@rbrtctln I am German. So that is most likely a hard no. We even tax beer as an essential food item. But you can try

@@partybrinegamer5540 I mean this was a solo lethal run. But I get your point. Bots might as well not exist on the field

@@dreadrage187ify I am glad I could help. Grenade launcher is very good against Zoanthropes and I simply cannot deny that. But the Melta is definitely the first weapon you should get to relic and become really proficient with it. It will make solo runs much easier for you

Although I just uploaded a ultimate guide to the tactical with gameplay. Shameless plug

I agree this game is absolute peak

I finished all that on day one, every time I play every leaves because I am such an absolute lethal beast in MP. So funny.

@@wolfrain8277 In the 41st millennia there is only war

I have a necklace with that wolf image, I love it!😊

@@samuelludescher6978 Thank you brother. The Siege Breakers thank you for the view and comment

@@davidmartin7561 You die in the name of the god emperor. There is no greater honor in the entire galaxy than that. If you are really lucky you get to serve him even after death

@requiemagent3014 with all due respect I serve no man I serve no God but what I do sir is the people in my life that I know are decent good kind and wonderful and I will die in their name any day and every day and all day long

@@requiemagent3014 I do not die in the name of the emperor I would rather die in the name of the people that I love and that I care about and I don't care what emperor they bow down to none of that s*** matters to me you matter to me you matter to me let's go goddamn it come on now I want you to respond because you matter to me and it seems like you don't think that Royal Blood b******* you were born into so let's go come on tell me why I shouldn't respect you as much as I do them that I shouldn't love you as much as I do anyone else please come on and maybe you can convince me but I doubt it because I love you all and I will fight for you all and I will get on life for you all have a great day and a great night and a great life and a great weekend cuz I f****** love you

@@requiemagent3014 are you out of your f****** mind I would never die for anybody that things are better than somebody else but I will sure as hell die for anybody that dies for a good cause so f*** off f*** you and your f****** Emperor and if I am reading this s*** wrong I apologize and let's go goddammit and please f****** Flag me so that I can't leave a comment for 12 hours I don't give a s*** f*** this s*** and f*** the world I don't give a damn and I will take on the whole f****** world cuz look I Got One Life to Live and I got one death to give and what the f*** are you willing to give your death for because this is what I'm willing to get mine for anybody that deserves to be alive and stand up for themselves and stuff at the consequences for their actions let's f****** go in the words of the great Wolverine let's f****** go

@@requiemagent3014 oh b******* I will never die in the name of any God or any Emperor but I will happily die in the name of the people I love and I care about and I will happily die for that but f*** a God f****** Emperor thinking kiss my f****** ass but you and those like you that I love I will more than happily give my life for

@@PaladinAzriel I don't take teamplay into consideration. I have a flawless solo Melta and grenade launcher run on the channel. Lethal of course. I only take solo runs into account. The survivability of the Melta is so strong it makes the grenade launcher obsolete. The Zoanthropes are the only enemy type that gives the GL even a voice in this discussion

I like to mix things up. I use the melta with my Vanguard. For the Tactical I used the Granadier first it's a ton of fun to play, and then the Plasma second. Zoans are such a pain I leveled up a Sniper just to deal with them.

@@CorbuloCDN1 Please don't use a Plasma Incinerator. Compared to Melta and GL it's basically useless. For the Zoanthropes you need the marked for death perk. The only reason why I even consider the GL viable. If this specific enemy wouldn't exist, or at least Saber gets their sh*t together and nerf them, the GL would never stand a chance against the Melta. Also Vanguard gets the Neo Volkite Pistol. Which is absolutely not fair.

@@requiemagent3014 Vanguard ftw baby! But it would be nice if tactical got the volkite pistol, or at least plasma pistol.

@@arcaneforge8749 Thank you. I am actually uploading another flawless run with the grenade launcher on inferno. Should be out in a few hours

@@michatomaszewski9388 Saber doesn't play this game. It's always a problem if developers don't play their own game. I have a flawless solo run on the channel so I know what I am talking about. Classes need a rebalancing for the most part

@@ruthlesace Becoming a Dreadnought is rare. Only very few Astartes get that privilege. We cannot make Dreadnoughts anymore so they have to be salvaged from the Battlefield no matter what. Or should I say we cannot make every Dreadnought pattern anymore. That is more accurate.

@@robertmedina2408 You are right. It's even worse. Trash has sharp edges that might hurt a Zoanthrope. Bolt Pistol just plinks off

Everything is better than the Bolt pistol. Throwing spit balls at the Zoanthropes does more damage

@@tremhere Damn you clicked that fast brother. But it really is heresy

@@TheLastDab thank you. I uploaded a video of a full solo run on lethal if you want to check that out

@@requiemagent3014 subbed!

@@TheLastDab Very much appreciated. I going to keep up with the space Marine 2 content in the future

Part 2 Chapter Recruitment Unlike some chapters that recruit from a single world to sustain cultural cohesion, the Siege Breakers are more interested in finding the best warriors, and that can only be done with a wide enough pool. This is why the first Chapter Master, Oathkeeper Relidan, made the decision to pick his own homeworld and the sub-sector it is in as their proving grounds. Each planet of the sub-sector has a recruitment regiment for the Space Marines of this chapter, and every single one is customised for that world to root out the best of warriors it could possibly provide. Challenges of the Siege Breakers Mortessa I - A Hive World, the smallest planet in the system. So tiny is this ball of sand that its resources can only sustain two Hive Cities, one on each opposite side of the world. Each Hive has a dependency on the other. Hive Uno extracts iron, creates petroleum and excavates all sorts of useful. The other, Hive Dos, produces all sorts of goods and commodities for the Imperium and the other hive, housing the largest cult of the Machine God in the sub-sector. Be it a promising hive ganger juvenile who wishes to prove themselves, perhaps a noble lordling who hopes to ascend, or even a promising tech adept yearning for a life in the ranks of the Angels, all must participate in the Great Maze. Once a year, the Siege Breakers conduct the games on the Hive World, alternating locations from Uno to Dos on the planet's seven-month solar rotation. The recruits face significant challenges that are kept secret from the wider populace to keep the games fair and challenging. Needless to say, the trial is filled with both physical and mental challenges. Some even say that the future recruits are to face an Astartes at the end of the maze. But none have ever confirmed these rumours. Mortessa II - +++CLASSIFIED+++ Mortessa III - Large, green landscapes litter this world in abundance, its imperial tithe fulfilled in grain, buckwheat, and other longevity-orientated rations. This Agricultural World is forever stuck in the ancient traditions of medieval variety. The Hussars and Bogatyrs of this world are akin to knights of old, who pledge their allegiance to the Order of the God Emperor to protect the innocent and destroy the wicked. In constant battle with a minor race of semi-sapient serpent men [Imperium has attempted to exterminate this threat, but the resources that would take spending at eradicating these creatures outweigh the tithes received from the Planet is thrice over its output], the warriors of the Emperor delve deep into the cavernous nature of the world to slay the ancient foe. Some say that the serpent-men are merely humans, genetically mutated into what is now a deranged set of aggressive reptilians, but nothing has been confirmed. Once a year, the Feast of the Rat is held. On this occasion, a set of young volunteers are taken into the abandoned valley of castles. Ancient structures, which have been taken over by serpent-men long ago. It is said that on that night that lasts 16 hours, the Serpent King appears, wielding a hammer that breaks bone with a shockwave that can shake the stars loose. If the boys survive the night, they are taken away after the Feast concludes the next day, becoming aspirants for the Siege Breakers. Mortessa IV - +++CLASSIFIED+++ Mortessa V - The Most distant planet in the system, this Death World is a cold wasteland where only the strongest survive. Filled with tribes of the Draught-men, ancient tales speak of the times when the world was filled with luscious islands and the ever-lasting ocean or bountiful prey. Nevertheless, some seven thousand years ago [Which the Imperial Records co-inside with a possible Warp Storm that occurred close to the outer edges of the sub-sector), the world's heart turned cold, and the endless ocean froze. The islands, gone beneath the ice, constantly grow thicker and taller as each year passes. The tribes are nomads, yet each has a sacred rite passed down from the shamans. Young men are taken to the planet's northern pole, and each has to prove themselves in a hunt of the Great Beast. It bares fangs that rotate in its mouth, shoots spikes that tear a body in two, and spits acid that boils the skin and organs alike. And if one defeats it, they are taken far away to serve the Master of Mankind as Space Marines. Mortessa VI - +++CLASSIFIED+++

Our chaplain was so kind to write it down for you. It's the pinned comment

@@king502re It's a custom chapter called siege breakers. There is a tutorial for it on my channel

@@gnusch3109 The heavy Plasma Incinerator got a buff with patch 3.0 and it was a very big jump in damage. It beats the Melta by a significant margin now

watch the whole video instead of skipping through

But you need to charge it of course, and it lobs energy blasts so you have to be able to predict enemies movements.

@@sethphillips7953 That's a skill issue and not related to the weapon

@@requiemagent3014 saying how the weapon is used and what you have to learn is 100% related to the weapon. I’m not complaining about it I’m just saying what it does

@@nidgey9926 But the grenade launcher attachment literally is a meta weapon. So I don't really get your point. The Melta is definitely better, especially if you have to carry, but the grenade launcher is absolutely up there. It's just the Bolter rifle that is absolutely unusable. Yes teamwork makes the dream work. That is true. But most people right now cannot even finish lethal in a full team with meta classes and loadouts. Imagine the same baffoons playing with stuff like the Assault class or bolt weapons. They don't even make it to the first checkpoint. I don't want Saber to nerf lethal too hard but they have proven in the past they are willing to cave under the peer pressure and make the game way too easy. Patch 3.0 was a massive step backwards from launch. But we will see in the near future how this shapes out. Thanks for watching and commenting

Glad you asked. Our chaplain would jump for joy. The Siege Breakers are a successor chapter of the Imperial Fists. We were founded in the 31st millennium and have the same primarch Rogal Dorn. Our warcry is "Strike the walls, break the cage" Siege Breakers are a specialized in breaking planetary sieges as the name implies. Our number one priority is to secure the ressources for the imperium, if we can avoid civilian casualties we will but it is not the main focus. I will drop you a quote from our chaplain, he is well versed in the history of the chapter. "The Siege Breakers, a Loyalist Second Founding Space Marine Chapter, is deeply rooted in the legacy of the Imperial Fists. They share the same gene-seed and primarch Rogal Dorn, and their origin can be traced back to the Battle of the Iron Cage, a significant event that unfolded shortly after the Horus Heresy"

They have “siege” in the name, I want you to guess which legion they’re a successor of

​@@TFrog1324The Iron Warriors

@@sovietcurry8863 iron warriors don’t have successor chapters but sometimes the imperium mixes in a little bad geneseed, I was saying the imperial fists

@@TFrog1324 chances are low but there could be a chance. I mean, even imperial fist has a mix of iron warriors in their astartes mixed in all because of cawl