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I just treat all of my gear and clothing with permethrin, lasts for weeks on one treatment, and penetrates the fabrics, keeps most pests off ya'

Is that Acela?

This is the way. Plan ahead for dry camps too.

Propane/ Butane stoves work at low altitudes, and warm weather all fine. Just don't expect great results up in the mountains. Also, it's not as easy knowing how much fuel is left in the supply. Also, pressure supply bottles can leak off its pressure. Show up at camp spots with no fuel supply. White gas stoves, one can top off a bottle before leaving each time. Nothing is under pressure until using the stove. You always know how much fuel is on hand at all times. I have a Coleman Peak Apex 2 stove. It is very much the same operating design. The Apex is not a heavy stove at all. But it is a little heavier than this MSR stove. Although, the Apex has a much better quality in the pump and valve system. (It's not plastic) It also doesn't have the fuel cup below to make everything black and sooted up. Apex is a very clean stove to handle and store. Sometimes wish the tank was mounted all in one unit. Might have to invest into a Coleman peak 550 or a 533. But probably not a backpacking stove. Would be good for a couple night hike, if your pack weight is low.

These liquid fuel stoves, in any brand, are basically designed to melt snow at elevations above treeline. They're mountaineering stoves, not thru-hike systems. Need reliablility, powerful burners. I live in Alaska and use both liquid and butane systems in the same season. There is a place for all things and reasons for each. Before you misinform people, take one of your butane stoves, hike to 6000m and try and melt a pot full of snow for water. Pro tip: liquid fuel works both below and above 6000m.

Water is important. Don't skip the water. When it came to carrying water weight never mattered to us. You have to drink. I did two things, used smartwater bottles instead of nalgenes, in addition to my water bladder. Used two liter platypus bottles as extra water during dry camps.

We just got through that part of my trek then back into base camp yesterday and I had us wake up at 4am and we made it up of that climb to have breakfast by 6:30 am. We even had the luxury of being able to get back in base camp in time for actual lunch instead of eating off of the “Trail of Tears” lol. I had a blast at Philmont and definitely learned a lot from my experiences especially about leadership through my 50 mile week and definitely want to try getting up Baldy the next time!

I would choose, what works for you. I have an Underwood Aggregator 2 person. I have found leaks and been in contact with the company. I've been able to stop one leak with seam seal, as for the rest no dice. The rain that I've had setup in has been 1 light and 1 mixed. Best of luck.

Is it water resistant

Thats how you hold your skiing poles also so that if you fall its not going to hurt your hand

How about don’t use bitch poles

Isn't that how everyone does it?

Also let's the pole fall out of the way of your hand when you fall. Broken metacarpals and dislocated thumbs are not what you want on a hike.

I added a small bottle of water and little camp suds in it. Simple hand washing quickly.

Lost me at "worship at the alter". Dude, my Wisperlite has earned my trust over a solid 30 years of use. No need to worship it or troll people just because they may enjoy using a different stove than you.

Advice on a pack. I've been twice. The first time, I carried a Gregory pack, which they recommended. It was 5.5 lbs, I was easily 47 lbs most of the time. I was miserable. The second time, I bought a ULA equipment roboc pack that was 70L with a 40lb max weight. I paid close attention to weight. The most I carried the second time was 41 lbs. Typically, I stayed around 35-37. It made the hike enjoyable. Exercise a lot and build up your hiking muscles. No one wants a slacker.

Man oh man, I cannot wait to have the opportunity to see a view like that at Philmont this summer! My crew has Itinerary 9-10 and will be setting our sights for The Tooth of Time in less than 3 weeks!

Nice!

dumb luck that I caught this live

For a backpack on Philmont that will easily carry 50 lb, I suggest the Mystery Ranch Bridger 65. It is incredibly comfortable and leaves you with little to no soreness after a long day on the trail.

This stove is routinely tested on Everest. It just works. If you can't stand the soot, prime it with alcohol.

Don't be a more-on 🐢💨

These stoves are great. Pay no attention to this fellow.

Omg the ding sound is extremely annoying can’t watch thanks anyway see ya

That's a great review and a great deal on a tent I have the green one I put it up in the yard with a storm to come and 40 mph winds it did not leak or fall down can't wait to use it on the trail

How can I fix this robber cover when stops working, closing all the way? It keeps open all the time, it's quite annoying.

And where does the other end of the cable connect? No video shows this and this is the most important information.

How does Philmont deal with the under 21 over 18 youth . We have a crew that has 3 adults 21 over . 3 adult -youth under 21 over 18 . And we have 7 scout youth that are 15 to 17 .all of this in asking for tenting .

Have you tried any other stoves to see if they fit the slot pattern in the base?

Cold soak all day to rehydrate and then bring to a boil when you arrive at destination.

The bottom needs to be extended all the way or it will vibrate. It vibrates way less when the bottom is fully extended while the middle one you can adjust to whatever height

That was shit.

Fenix is the Best. Just got my PD25R today. It's a little beast. Also own TK15 & TK15 U.E. - Fenix makes the most accurate & precise Tail switch, for a tactical or emergency situation.

Random question.. I was working there that summer at Clear Creek, and was hoping you had any other videos.

This is not a fair review of this stove. You forgot to evaluate one important thing: this is a multifuel stove, no only gas and white gasoline. Stoves without preheating are dependent on white gasoline. This Whisperlight is able to burn everything except alkohol (can be fixed to burn alcohol, but alcohol damadges the pump)The construction is easy, and there are not too many things that could be broken.The truth is that - the weakness point is the pump i have third in 14 years. I purchased this stove in 2009 because I had been working in 2009,2010, and 2012 in a very hard environment - 2200 - 3300m altitude. Far from civilization and low logistic support. This stove was a perfect solution that fulfiled all my needs. I used white gasoline, diesel, kerosene, and a car gasoline, just changing the nozzles. I broke one pump during the maintenance, and second was damaged by alcohol when I used it as fuel. It is always good to know what you need and where it will be used. When I'm camping with family, we use Trangia with a gas burner or an alcohol burner. But I still use this old, durable MSR.

Disposable fuel canisters used by other camp stoves end up all over the wilderness, left at campsites, tossed in the garbage or in the ditch. The Whisperlite is by far the best product. Been using mine for 25 yrs with zero problems or maintenance. Products should be designed with zero waste - using a liquid fuel bottle accomplishes this.

Different tools for different situations. For a long thru hike or international trip, I'm using an isobutane canister stove. In deeply cold weather, the Whisperlite is a much better tool for the job. The white gas stoves have a "cost per use" benefit over canister stoves, also, for people that camp and backpack frequently, or when cooking for a meal for a large group of campers. A gallon of white gas will cook a lot of meals.

I didn't notice a true basis for your arguments against the stove and why you couldn't recommend it. More rudimentary complaints than anything. Soot should be the least of your concern while camping. Moreover, the stove isn't that complex to operate. Yes, butane style stoves are "quicker," but not as reliable in certain conditions compared to a whisperlite or equivalent stove. So it seems your analysis is based more on convenience than anything else. Which is fine, but I would state that.

Did I miss something. Why are you not recommending it. What are you recommending?

703-J-2025! looking forward to it! Love your information

We are scheduled for 2025! Looking forward to it. Good information!

This might have already been covered but please help me understand: how can the ingredients for a whole dinner fit into those small pots for the whole crew? (And of course there's still the issue of sanitizing individual bowls and utensils prior to adding the ingredients for the one-pot meal.) Thanks for the info. Btw, if the 8-quart pots are being used, imo place them inside the internal frame packs. We used to slide them over the sleeping bag on the outside of the external frame packs a couple of decades back.

looks like they got rid of it sadge

Going up the stockade trail is a pain. At least the view is nice at the top

Absolute cr@p...

Yes a canister stove is simple and convenient but when winter arrives their performance greatly declines. Yes, the WhisperLite requires maintenance and education but if I could have only one stove, this would be it. It burns various types of fuel so if you travel the world, canisters may not be available, diesel or regular car gas is. This stove will run in extreme conditions and at high altitude many other types will not that’s why the WhisperLite is still the expedition stove of choice.

Those hikes in heck meadow are brutal if you don't get on the trail early enough. Hope you have plenty of water!

I despise trekking poles

Every crew doesn’t hike in anymore?

I did that hike 9 times, Summer 84. Great memories