![Lead a Horse - PC's, Tech, Hardware](/img/default-banner.jpg)
- Видео 30
- Просмотров 8 931
Lead a Horse - PC's, Tech, Hardware
США
Добавлен 13 ноя 2023
www.youtube.com/@Lead-a-Horse?sub_confirmation=1
Tech & PC Videos as well as PC Builds, news, information, and reviews.
**The following description is for the original channel that we plan on spinning off to a second channel to avoid confusion for our subscribers**
- Contains advice, thoughts, and opinions, sometimes with candid talk and sarcasm. This channel is for those looking for advice on the subjects of personal, business, & finance. We'll also cover fun stuff including opinions and thoughts about gaming, comics, movies, tech, etc. --Not everyone will follow the advice, and some may disagree with us. As the saying goes- "You can Lead a Horse to water, but you can't make them drink."
Tech & PC Videos as well as PC Builds, news, information, and reviews.
**The following description is for the original channel that we plan on spinning off to a second channel to avoid confusion for our subscribers**
- Contains advice, thoughts, and opinions, sometimes with candid talk and sarcasm. This channel is for those looking for advice on the subjects of personal, business, & finance. We'll also cover fun stuff including opinions and thoughts about gaming, comics, movies, tech, etc. --Not everyone will follow the advice, and some may disagree with us. As the saying goes- "You can Lead a Horse to water, but you can't make them drink."
Best CPU's for Gaming PC's - Cost per Frame! - Intel and AMD
Pay Close Attention!! Because in this episode we're going to break down the actual cost per frame for both Intel and AMD CPUs across multiple generations. There's a LOT of numbers to go through and lots of details to them. To give you the BEST chance at finding the right cpu for your gaming pc, you'll want to watch the whole thing!
FPS Data from TechPowerUp - Link: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/
FPS Data from TechPowerUp - Link: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/
Просмотров: 277
Видео
Cost of Prebuilt Prices vs DIY vs Local Build
Просмотров 66День назад
Today we're going to compare a system integrator (SI) prebuilt gaming pc price vs hiring a local builder or even doing it yourself! Components discussed: Intel i5 14600K NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB Asus ROG Strix Z790 Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32 GB )2 x 16 GB) DDR5 6000 MHz Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2 NVMe SSD PNY VERTO NVidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Fractal Design Torrent ATX Mid Tower Case ...
They Broke Their Gaming PC!!
Просмотров 16614 дней назад
Today we're going to have a look at a broken PC and see if we can figure out why it doesn't work.
Best & Worst GPU Prices (Some are NOT Good!) - Nvidia, AMD & Intel
Просмотров 26321 день назад
Latest GPUs Prices - NVIDIA vs AMD vs Intel Graphics Card Price to Performance GPU Prices and Performance Referenced: -NVIDIA GPU 's GeForce RTX 4090 GeForce RTX 4080 Super GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GeForce RTX 4070 Super GeForce RTX 4070 GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (16GB) GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (8GB) GeForce RTX 4060 -AMD GPU 's Radeon RX 7900 XTX Radeon RX 7900 XT Radeon RX 7900 GRE ...
Nvidia, Intel & AMD Are Having Problems
Просмотров 254Месяц назад
Updates on Nvidia thermal problems, Intel probs and what I'm NOT doing, AMD disappoints!
Motherboards - What the Letters & Numbers Mean
Просмотров 106Месяц назад
Intel and AMD Motherboards letters, and numbers and what they mean. Specific Example Motherboards discussed: Socket: LGA 1700 MSI PRO Z790-A WiFi ProSeries MSI MAG B760 Tomahawk WiFi MSI PRO H610M-G ProSeries Socket: AM5 ASUS Prime X670-P WiFi ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WiFi ASUS TUF GAMING A620M-PLUS WiFi MSI, Gigabyte, Asrock, & Asus Motherboards
Gaming PC Build Budget Challenge
Просмотров 304Месяц назад
This is the build video for a budget gaming pc. After this, I'm going to challenge myself to take this budget build gaming pc that I built for less than $700 with ALL NEW PARTS and sell it on Facebook Marketplace for $800! Do you think I can do it? Check back now and again for the results sometime in the future! Subscribe to get a notification for that video!! Please excuse the quality of the r...
GPU Price to Performance Breakdown 2024! - NVIDIA vs AMD vs Intel Graphics Card Price/Perf
Просмотров 356Месяц назад
NVIDIA, AMD & Intel gpus 2024 prices on spreadsheets to figure out their price to performance comparisons. Edit: I made a mistake, one of the boxes in the FPS chart should have been orange instead of red, it was RX 7700 XT, apologies for the error in the chart! FPS data used from Tom's Hardware: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html GPU Prices and Performance Referenced: -NVIDIA ...
New PC Build for a Subscriber!! - (Gaming PC & Music Production PC)
Просмотров 6932 месяца назад
Here's a video of me building a mid range pc that a local subscriber asked me to do a build for him after he saw my high end pc build video. He was looking for a pc that could help him more efficiently produce and compose music as well as some casual gaming. As usual none of this content is sponsored nor have affiliate links!! Sound off in the comments and let me know what you think!! List of C...
...........
Просмотров 2,5 тыс.2 месяца назад
This was a video I made after misunderstanding another. After being corrected, I'm trying to minimize its visibility, as the person I unintentionally wronged was gracious enough to not require me to take this down nor make an apology video. I don't feel it is enough so I'm going to try to minimize the visibility of this video. For more info if you land here, read the pinned comments at the top ...
We Unconsciously Choose The Same Person Over and Over in Relationships (Relationship Advice)
Просмотров 242 месяца назад
Comment down below and let us know your thoughts!! As the title says, we all have a tendency of choosing the same partners over and over again. We discuss this problem and how you can try to avoid repeating past mistakes. We can't promise we will see all of our comments, but we will try our best to keep an eye out on our emails. So, if you'd rather contact us for suggestions and advice for futu...
Is College Worth It Anymore? (Opinion)
Просмотров 862 месяца назад
This episode discusses whether going to a college or university and pursuing a four-year degree or more worth it in this day and age. Comment down below and let us know your thoughts!! If you'd rather contact us for suggestions and advice for future videos, feel free to shoot us an email at leadahorse101@gmail.com If you ask us for advice whether in the comments or through email, let us know if...
My High End PC Build!! (Gaming PC and Content Creation!)
Просмотров 2,1 тыс.2 месяца назад
As asked for and promised, here is the video of my new pc build I did for future content creation and gaming!! As always none of this content is sponsored nor have affiliate links!! Also, since I'm learning creation stuff as we go, I tried some new things in the video edit side. So, sound off in the comments and let me know what you think!! Contents of this video 00:00 Intro 00:21 The Build Par...
Elon Musk THINKS He's Tony Stark but he's NOT!
Просмотров 163 месяца назад
The title says it all!! Comment down below and let us know your thoughts!! All visual materials used in this video are common use except when otherwise annotated in the visual material as it appears.
How to Scale a Small Business - and How to NOT be a Micro-Manager (business advice)
Просмотров 233 месяца назад
In this episode we discuss how a small business, even a single person one, can cost effectively and efficiently scale their business when it is no longer feasible to do it all on your own in order to grow. We also talk about the pitfalls and repercussions of being a micro-manager. Comment down below and let us know your thoughts!! If you'd rather contact us for suggestions and advice for future...
Everything is Going to Electric and Why It Won't Work (opinion)
Просмотров 143 месяца назад
Everything is Going to Electric and Why It Won't Work (opinion)
Cussing and Why It's NOT a Bad Thing!! (Opinion)
Просмотров 193 месяца назад
Cussing and Why It's NOT a Bad Thing!! (Opinion)
How to Get the Nvidia RTX 4090 for up to 30% less.
Просмотров 1,4 тыс.3 месяца назад
How to Get the Nvidia RTX 4090 for up to 30% less.
LOVE & MARRIAGE ...and DEATH - Part 2 (Relationship Advice/Opinion)
Просмотров 173 месяца назад
LOVE & MARRIAGE ...and DEATH - Part 2 (Relationship Advice/Opinion)
LOVE & MARRIAGE ...and DEATH Part 1 (Relationship Advice/Opinion)
Просмотров 193 месяца назад
LOVE & MARRIAGE ...and DEATH Part 1 (Relationship Advice/Opinion)
D&D the Old Editions vs 5.0!!... and other fun ttrpgs - (Opinion)
Просмотров 834 месяца назад
D&D the Old Editions vs 5.0!!... and other fun ttrpgs - (Opinion)
Just Saving Money is a Bad Strategy (Financial Advice)
Просмотров 1244 месяца назад
Just Saving Money is a Bad Strategy (Financial Advice)
The Problem with Social Media - It's Not What You Think!.... maybe (Opinion)
Просмотров 224 месяца назад
The Problem with Social Media - It's Not What You Think!.... maybe (Opinion)
Diets are a Scam! Do These 3 Things Instead!! (Health Advice)
Просмотров 234 месяца назад
Diets are a Scam! Do These 3 Things Instead!! (Health Advice)
Some Mistakes a Business Owner Makes! (Business Advice)
Просмотров 205 месяцев назад
Some Mistakes a Business Owner Makes! (Business Advice)
The Problem with the MCU and DCU & Superhero Burnout (Opinion)
Просмотров 165 месяцев назад
The Problem with the MCU and DCU & Superhero Burnout (Opinion)
Get Your Mind Right on Investing! (Financial Advice)
Просмотров 195 месяцев назад
Get Your Mind Right on Investing! (Financial Advice)
Current Tipping Culture Good or Bad? (Personal Opinion) - Giveaway Announcement!
Просмотров 265 месяцев назад
Current Tipping Culture Good or Bad? (Personal Opinion) - Giveaway Announcement!
First Steps to Get Your Money to Work for You (Financial Advice)
Просмотров 255 месяцев назад
First Steps to Get Your Money to Work for You (Financial Advice)
Is this Credit Card Machine a Scam? (Business Advice)
Просмотров 345 месяцев назад
Is this Credit Card Machine a Scam? (Business Advice)
First point this was a good video, the chart was a little crowded, and some context for the data points that was provided throughout the video could have been explained in the beginning so it would be easier to follow along with your explanation. Lastly, I think the green, yellow, and red scales should be adjusted a bit to account for CPU's that were still priced high but giving low frames comparatively and vice versa.
Thanks for the suggestions and compliment! With this level of data, it's tough to not have it be crowded. I had thought about doing a different kind of chart, more graphic in nature, but it would be hard for people to follow as graphic charts can look pretty chaotic or hard to identify specific data points. I plan on doing follow up vids in the future similar to my plan for the gpu vids, perhaps once a month or every couple of months and hopefully I'll be able to figure out something easier to follow by then. As to the color scales, I like your idea of identifying those outliers of high price vs. low frames, but I think perhaps a differentiating color to highlight those specific cpu's. What do you think?
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware I'm not sure if a different color would illustrate that they cost a lot but produce low frames compared to other CPUs to me the point of cost per frame is to show you shouldn't buy product A if product B cost lost and is 1.better, 2 equal or just about equal 3. only a little behind like around 80 to 90% of the same performance. and there's a lot of cpu's listed so maybe having them listed by the performance tiers or core count like the i/r3 i/r5 i/r7 i/r9 things like that, or using multiple graphs might be the solution
Perhaps, I'll have to think about that and how to possibly implement such comparisons without extending the video lengths too much (youtube seems to have problems with new channels having vids that are too long :/). But to be clear, I was thinking of highlighting them in a differentiating color and then discussing them. I don't know if it needs to be granular as to cross comparisons and percentages of performance within those comparisons since that would possibly make the chart(s) even more complex and possibly even harder to follow. I'll have to consider it though! But, I do agree that if some cpu's really stand out as outliers, that could be beneficial to point those out whether they are great buys or bad buys, but more specific than that, would exponentially increase the video length!
Let's also keep in mind, that nobody want's an 13 or 14th gen Intel CPU atm ! because all the trouble and errors the (still) have !
Yep! That's why I mentioned their problems in the vid and highlighted them in yellow for the average cost per frame results :) Thanks for mentioning it!
*I'm sorry if I missed it, BUT what GPU, did you used, for all these results ?!*
Yes, I mentioned that the results by TechPowerUp was with utilizing a RTX 4090 to give each cpu zero impedance and measure the max possible results.
No 7900x3D on the list? 😢
Great catch! I based the chart on the tests ran by TechPowerUp, and their results didn't have that cpu on it :/ That being said, I would think that it would rank somewhere between the 7950X3D and the 7900X as to its results as well as cost per frame. Thanks for pointing that out!!
Do more of these fix it yourself videos if you can . These are most popular. 👍👍
Thanks! If I get more people asking me to fix their pc's, I'll definitely film and post them!
Wow that’s a great deal . Nice back story . Looking forward to some more great videos. Keep it up
Thanks so much! Yeah, it was a great deal, unfortunately now the Founders Edition is sold out from what I can tell, so now the only place to get it is on the used market :(
What cpu stands out the most for you?
I have a 7700x and it seems to be doing fine in 1440p with my rx 6800. Had it for a year now.
That's a good all around cpu for gaming at 1440p and 4k, it's a little in the worrisome range in the cost per frame at 1080p, but at 1440p, it's a solid performer and cost effective!
Would you pay for this pc? Why or why not?
I also have another question. I currently have a Rx 6800, but 2 games I play have RT and it destroys the AMD card. I was looking to get a 4060 ti 16gb for the RT. I know it is a little slower. I figured it would do until the 50 series came out.
I would wait for now to see what is offered and what those prices are before buying that gpu. A good example of this, specifically for gaming, was the 9000 series cpus that came out where the uplift was very small vs the 7000 series cpus at a price point much higher than the current prices of the 7000 series. This result in turn raised the prices of the 7800X3D by more than 27% recently. Similarly, if the 5000 series gpus turns out unimpressive, it would raise the prices of the 4000 series gpus in theory. BUT if the new gpus outperform the 4000 series by a decent amount, it should theoretically lower the price of the 4000 series. As well, the 4060 Ti is an okay gpu, not great, and certainly might have a problem with games in the near future even with 16gb of vram, and at the current prices, that gpu would not be a great buy.
And I would not get Intel right now.
Intel isn't having as much of a problem with the i5's, I wouldn't be overly concerned with that for the 13th and 14th gen, especially if you update the recent microcode/bios. That being said, it's a bit of a shaky time for them for certain. If I were buying new, and wanted Intel, I'd probably go with 12th gen i5 or i7 for gaming which keeps you in the LGA 1700 socket for when they finally resolve the problems, thus giving you enough headroom for future upgrades. Otherwise, I'd wait on a new build with current gen stuff right now for both Intel and AMD, they are both having their share of problems right now.
Seems expensive for a 4060 ti build. If I paid that much I would want at minimum a 4080 super
Agreed, but some people will pay a decent premium for the convenience and "safety" of the tech support and warranty, especially those that are unaware of the large cost differences.
Yeah I agree that pc seems way over priced though from the vid seems like there's reasons... I just wouldn't pay that much for that pc
A lot of people would probably feel that way if they knew how things are priced and the reasons for it. Some people would still buy such a pc for the convenience and safety though!
Keep it up can’t wait till your a big channel
Thanks so much! Really appreciate the compliment!
The micro atx in that atx case in the photo looks so goofy!
Yeah, I think the motherboard is from an old Dell prebuilt pc
How would you have approached the problems differently?
i want to buy 7800x3D 368 euro cause i still use a 3800xt. stay with it or wait? my GPU is a 7800xt
7800x3D may become a GOAT for AMD (depending on if there is a 9800x3D and if so, how it performs) since the rollout of Zen 5 is not good compared to Zen 4. Right now the 7800x3D is low in inventory for new and getting a bit competitive on the used market. If you want to get one, I'd get one either ASAP or wait until either end of year or Q1 2025 to see how the market is for it since you can always find a used one, but the price may shift massively up or down depending on Zen 5 news.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware thank you i get it
Nice! Let me know how that turns out!
what about A750 is it good?
For it's price, it's not bad. It's comparable to the RTX 4060 or the RX 6600 and is primarily good as a cost per frame at 1080p. At today's prices, once you get into 1440p gaming or above, it's cost per frame starts showing that it's under powered. That being said, with Intel's recent progress with XeSS and driver compatibility, it's starting to look better, but for 1440p gaming, its price needs to be closer to about where it was last month, around $180 would be a sweet spot for that card.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware i'm getting a deal in 3060 ti used 1 yr warranty at 240 Doller, 3070 used 1 yr warranty at 260 Doller and Arc a750 new 220 Doller should i wait for arc gpu price down? and thanks for the reply
I'd wait for the Arc A750, especially since Battlemage gpus are going to be announced probably this fall. The A750 price at $220 is a little too high for its value. The 3060 ti performs better by a decent clip than the A750 and on the used market is going for between $220 to $280, so with a 1 yr warranty, $240 is a decent price (I'd rather see it near $220 due to age of the card). And the 3070 performs a little better than the 3060 ti and is currently going for between $230 to $300 on the used market, so the $260 price is decent with a 1 yr warranty (though I'd like to see that one at about $240 or lower). All in all the two Nvidia cards are a decent deal at your prices, depending on the coverage that the warranty is providing. If you are planning on using these for pc or component flips then look into whether or not that 1 yr warranty is transferrable. Bottom line, good prices on the RTXs, not a good price on that A750.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware Okay, thank you for your valuable response. I have a 2050 laptop. I think I should wait a couple of months with it until the new GPU launches from Intel. Until then, these used ones can fall further. Also, the 40 series will be widely available on the used market, which is not the case at this moment. Thanks again, you helped me a lot. I'm from India. Here, PC-related creators are fewer, and they don't upload frequently. So, for a normal user without knowledge, there's always a chance of being robbed by sellers. Have a nice day! 😊🙏
Glad I could help!! Love having viewers and subs from other countries!! If you know of others in your same spot, feel free to share this video or my channel with them! Thanks for watching!!
I play at 1440p and i currently have a rx 6800 ( which has been great, but no RT ) ..... not sure if upgrading is a good idea or not. i have a r7 7700x so i think anything to a 4080 super should be ok, but i dont know. i am doing some research on the 7900 gre, 7900 xt, and the 4070 ti super, but we are so close to next gen. Your thoughts.
Right now, you're better off waiting to see what comes to market (possibly as late as Q1 2025. That can help you to figure out (after 3rd party benchmarking is done) the best price to performance for the dollar. In doing so, it will also possibly drive prices down on older models when the new models roll out. Conversely, there have been times where it either drives older model pricing up or they stay the same, it will depend on inventory vs. demand. I'd also keep an eye on what AMD is doing with their FSR and RT improvements between now and then to see if there is benefit there. The best apples for apples comparison for you would be the 4070 Ti Super vs. the 7900 xt. I'd only look at the 7900 GRE if you are looking to maximize $/frame and still remain at 16GB Vram.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware Thank You for your help. Your data is great. I look forward to future videos. Also the 6800 has been a great card.... I got it in November of last year for $380.... best value 1440p card ever, and for it being 4 years old it holds up well in AAA games, i think.
@@themachine4008 Thanks! It keeps me going, making vids when I get feedback like that! The 6800, for its price range, is a great card. It should be good for at least a few more years. If you do replace it, I'd suggest selling it used on jawa or ebay to recoup some of what you spend on the new card.
just came across this after subscribing, really good, great choices in music, very relaxing to watch and listen to 🤩
Thanks a lot! Always great to get that kind of feedback!
Tell me down below what gpu you're wanting and why!!
Glad I watched this. Gonna check out the previous one cos I'm looking at the 4070 Super v 7800 xt for my upgrade👍
Happy to help! I think the 4070 Super is the slightly better choice from a performance standpoint but the 7800 xt has the better price by about $100 and it has 16 gb of vram vs. the Super that has 12 gb vram so it might be the smarter buy in the long run. Either choice has good performance, even in 4k (no RT). Let me know what you end up getting!
Comment below on what current gpu is your favorite!
I have a friend who has one think it's a 14700? he didn't say he has a problem with it right now... I'm a little worried for my 4070 super tho
Glad your friend is okay so far, I'd let him know that if he's comfortable with it, to maybe lower some of the bios cpu settings (and maybe the ram, especially if xmp is enabled) for now rather than updating the bios until we know more as to the effectiveness of intel's "fix". Meanwhile, at this point, I wouldn't worry too much about your 4070 Super unless you're seeing some hotspots over 80-85c. If you are, you may want to repaste and/or undervolt your gpu until you can do so or find someone who can.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware good advice! I'll tell my friend and keep an eye on my gpu
What kind of builds do you like to watch the most?
I like what you've done with these build vids but I'd like to see some where you talk about the parts you pick to
Interesting! You're not the first to ask me about this. I'll have to look into doing that on my next build! Thanks for the feedback!
What motherboard are you thinking about getting and why?
Do you have a 13th or 14th Gen Intel CPU? What Problems are you having, if any?
great timing... I'm looking for parts to build my first pc and this helped to figure it out for motherboards 😃
Glad I could help!
Great information..... keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot! I'm glad it helped!
great video......great charts.....but i have a question......what is the relative value with dlss/fsr and frame generation? that would be interesting to see since the 4000 series is designed with upscaling in mind.
Thanks a lot! That's a great question! I think that over the short term there is a slight higher value to DLSS but FSR (and XeSS for Intel) are making larger strides in frame gen and even RT. So I think that in the long term it will become a footrace on which of these gets the lead in the market. In other words, in the long run, I think the relative value of DLSS/FSR/XeSS will end up being nearly indistinguishable; however, right now DLSS has the slight edge especially if you involve RT.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware So if you were to include what the fps would be with upscaling the price to performance might change to the better....right, but like you said dlss has the edge right now..... especially at lower resolutions. But i am no expert. i have a rx 6800. It was a good buy, but my wife has the 4070 and i think dlss does a better job. guess i cant complain. i got the card for $360 in April. I am just wondering if i should get a 4070 super...i am worried about the 12gb of vram.
For the most part, I believe the RX 6800 has the better value long term over the 4070 Super. A lot would have to change for that to be otherwise. I think from a price to performance standpoint you made a great choice.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware k......Ty for the feedback and your time....and sorry for the long discussion.
It's my pleasure! I enjoy talking to my viewers and subscribers!!
I managed to order a 4070ti super for 640 on prime day from amazon. Do you think that's a good price or should I cancel and get an AMD card with better Price/Perf?
If it was new, it's not a bad price, a little lower by about $80 would be nice to get at least one of their price/frame numbers into the green. The near equivalent performer gpu for price/perf from AMD would be the 7900 XT, there's one from Asrock right now for approximately the same price for $649.99 and it has 20 GB of VRAM and the fps numbers are slightly better for the 7900 XT. A 16 GB alternative would be the 7900 GRE which from a straight fps comparison does slightly worse than the 4070 Ti Super, but there is one from Acer selling at $499.99. The only downside I can think of when comparing would be that DLSS performs better than FSR at this point and I don't see that changing a whole lot in the near future, so if you plan on using that, then I'd stick with the NVIDIA card.
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware thanks for the super fast response! i do think i want to try DLSS so ill stick with it then. do you think the 4gb of vram difference between the 4070ti super and the 7900xt matters that much if we don't include DLSS and FSR
My pleasure!! It won't matter in the current state of gaming unless you're going into ultra settings with RT in which case the difference in VRAM can come into play with or without DLSS, depending on the game and game engine. But most games are satisfyingly playable even at 50fps so I don't think you would have much to worry about. If games start coming out that are a lot more gpu hungry, it could be a problem, but between DLSS, FSR, Unreal Engine 5.4+, and the increasing focus on game optimizations, I don't see it being a problem. Your card should do you proud for at least the next 4 to 6 years.
I have a 4070 TI Super and its a great GPU. Dominates at 1440p native and with the dlss very confident would even be a good 4k card. That is a great price for a great card.
Id be curious to see the FPW(frames per watt)
If I get enough people asking for that, I'd be happy to break that down for a future video!!
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware that would be interesting to see.....the people in Europe might want to know more then Americans.
Interesting point! I may have to look into that as well if I decide to put together some charts and a video for this. Thanks for the suggestion!
Newer titles are using way more vram and also allocating more and if your using raytracing and frame gen on the highest reset it will be easy to spill over on vram tanking performance but it all depends on what you play
I'm on my 2nd watch through right now cos I'm thinking of getting the 4070 super or the 7900 gre... thanks for the info it will help me figure it out 🤩
My pleasure!! The 7900 GRE from purely a current price to performance aspect is the better choice. There is something to be said about the RTX 4070 Super if you are planning on using ray tracing in your games as DLSS is still a better tool to handle that gameplay. Let me know what you end up getting!
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware I ended up getting the 4070 Super mostly cos of it being close to the GRE in performance and price and DLSS is better 😎
It's a good card, should last you for quite some years! Congrats!!
Very well put together video and enjoyed your commentary. I would have liked to see the rx 7800x3d on the list. Also I just picked up a new 6750 xt for 289 usd
Thanks a lot! That makes the work worth it!! That's a decent price for that gpu, good performer too! The 7800x3d, I'm not sure if you meant that model as that's AMD's best gaming cpu, not gpu. As I said in the vid, I am considering doing something similar for cpu's, just depends on whether people ask for it :)
Hey! Just watched the whole video and i just want to say amazing job! Very relaxing to watch, cant wait for the next build!
Thanks so much! It means a lot when someone says something like that! I have a budget build video I'm planning on, so check back in the next week or two!!
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware i will, notifications are on 🤝
enjoyed the vid... are you ever going to do one where you talk about the components or do some benchmarking/game testing?
Thanks!! I actually considered doing that with this one but wasn't sure what people are looking for, so if I get enough requests for it, I sure can. I have some footage of a budget build I just did, so it's up to the viewer on what they want to see, a montage or parts review or benchmark & game testing for that one or some other build in the future!!
@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware maybe a combo of them??
Possibly! Again, it will somewhat depend on what people want to see most!!
I liked the customer review and the music you picked 😃
Thanks! It was a fun video to make and the local subscriber was really stoked about his new pc which makes it all worthwhile!
10gb vram on 3080 i have gets destroyed now by many games. Its not about fps, its about being able to use the games full texture and lighting without the card saying "no!, cant do that" fps is totally different story and 4070 does have a lot going for it in terms of fps and frame gen is great(even though limited games) 4070 isnt budget and isnt enough vram when you're spending $4-500 in 2024 in terms of value. Also not every game needs high vram but if im casual i wouldn't be even buying a $400 card to begin with. If youre casual and spending $400 on a card, youre going to be happy but have more money than sense. Should be 12gb min. This isnt a 1080p card its a 1440p card realistically. At same time 4000 series in laptops though are beasts and really efficient.
You shouldn't be getting destroyed at 1080P in anything and most likely can play most games at 1440P fine with that card on at least High settings. My old Box with a 9600k/1660 TI plays Helldivers 2/ RD2 ect just fine on high 1080P. My current Rig is a 7800x3d with a 4070 Super that has zero issues at 1440P. Honestly anything over 12GB Vram is a waste at 1080P or 1440P
I agree, I'm actually getting frustrated about the amount of crying about vram on entry level cards! We are fine with playing at 1080p 60fps with the combo of current gpu/current games, and 1080p 30fps with older gpu/current games. "oh but you could play at 1440p with upscale" but I won't, not buying a new more expensive monitor that I can't afford to get the best out of. If you're not playing on 1080p and sometimes dealing with 30fps, this video is not about you, you are in the top 30% or so that can actually afford smooth gaming.
I'm assuming you're referring to their video where they show the VRAM usage in games? And they show the settings which they used to get those results? The HUB team based their conclusion on what they showed in their video - actual VRAM usage at the settings listed. They aren't talking about people like you in that video. You define 30-50 average FPS at 1080p in an area where nothing was happening (no combat, explosions, etc.) as "doing pretty good". Your average FPS would tank if you were actually in a combat scene with explosions and effects happening, and there would be hitching going on. It might even get so low as to be a slide show. That's not fun game play in the parts where you need smoothness to be successful. The most important part of HUB's video is the "What does running out of VRAM look like?" chapter. Those frame time graphs shows how smooth the game play is - and those big spikes show that it's actually NOT smooth. That is what your Cyberpunk game play would look like on those graphs - high frame times and big spikes, so not smooth. In your case it might not be strictly VRAM related - it's likely more a matter of having a crappy GPU and an overall low-end to maybe mid-range system. My almost four year old system is an i9-10850k overclocked, 32GB 3600 RAM, and 3070 8GB overclocked, with a CPU+GPU custom liquid cooling loop. I play at 1440p. I have to go through the settings of each game I play and find the ones that have the least impact on visuals, like the skybox and reflections and shadows, and turn them down to low or even off. That's so I can keep my FPS high during scenes with combat and explosions and effects. I would not be happy with your "doing pretty good" performance because I want combat to be smooth. Based on the performance of my current system in the games that I play, when I build a new system (which will be soon) I won't even consider anything less than 16GB on the GPU. And I'll still be playing at 1440p because I don't need 4k yet. Maybe when 1440p becomes mainstream I'll switch to 4k.
key part: based on [..] my current system. You have a pretty beefy pc. Running smooth 1440p really is the sweet spot of gaming right now, but it's not the reality of most.
8 GB is ok for the casual, 3 hours a week gamer on 1080p. But at this stage, you can honestly go for a console, if you dont need the PC for anything else. So yeah, 8 GB can be enough nowadays, if you adjust your expectations. But when you go for a new PC these day, aiming for a somewhat current generation, you should avoid 8 GB cards. Budget-Builds: Yes. Mid-Range: Try to avoid it. High-End: Big nono.
i have a 16gb rx 6800 and if i wanted to play at high settings at high resolutions then 16gb would be good future proofing.. but that is assuming that everyone wants to play at max graphics settings.. which most people don't.. this is the issue i have with the how much vram do you need issue... to assume that everyone wants to game at 1440p ultra is unrealistic and people can use 8gb at low settings for a good while longer.. 12gb is the sweet spot IMO
this goes for everything else - old even 4 cores cpus, mid and now even low tier graphic cards, 16 gigs of ram, low res low refresh rate monitors and so on. it's more than enough for the absolute majority of mainstream gamers. it's not even about ultra settings - there're tons of frame by frame comparisons showing not only that ultra is most of the time pointless, but often enough high and medium settings are virtually indistinguishable, literally the same.
what are you even talking about man, the video wasn't for you. so why are you commenting on any of this? some games out right now won't run on 8gb. 1440p. most people shoot for at least 1440p 120fps. most videos are for the high end gamers. the ones with $$$.
you're contradicting yourself - most people and high end gamers are mutually exclusive. actually, according to the latest hwub video "58% of gamers are still using 1080p" and believe you me, they don't even shoot for 60fps flat often.
Agree with this video conclusion, 8-12gb of vram its where its at , dont think you will need 16 in next 10 years i'm still using my gtx 1070ti with 2 27" 144hz 1080p monitors... for me to get an upgrade it means that i have to change the video card and the 2 monitors to notice the difference, for something like 2k 144hz/fps its like an 1000$ investment
but 1080P @ 60FPS isn't the mark of a good setup anymore.... 1440P/4K @ 120FPS + so whatever.... Making mountains out of mole hills guys. 90% of what they said was true and applied to their ordinance.
what are you smoking ? if you look on steam, more then 60% of the users play on 1080p ... there like under 10% that use 4k agree that 60fps its to low now a days, because most affordable monitors these days have 120hz minimum and you should try to have at least 90-100fps...
@@b4g4b3l Sure champ. And you believe Steam review is an accurate representation?. That's rich. Also HUB did nothing wrong in their video... This video is awful and the downvote vs upvote ration is 23 up 70 down. On the wrong side of history here.
@@ausnorman8050 i just gave an example where every1 can look up stats.... give me another example where i can see that 1444p/4k 120fps its the "good setup"... just because you have that it doesnt mean its what every1 uses... not every1 can afford 16gb vram card + decent monitors , because i dought ppl are dumb to buy an 700$ card and use it with an 1080p 60hz monitor, so you also need to buy decent monitors or tvs... i'm a HUB fallower for years but this recommendation doesnt make any sense
@@b4g4b3l Have you ever owned 4k TV/Monitor? Do you see what 1080p game resolution on those 4k Monitor/TV look fuzzy/blurry?... steam? just look at steam player base 1.5mil playing CS:2 and 40k player playing Destiny 2 (AAA Games).. huge difference system resource requirement..i own RX 580 8GB / 16GB Ram playing 4K at Low/Medium Setting in all games just to get somewhere close to 60 fps lol.
0:40 We usually get a ~80-170% increase in the number of transistors in the GPU every generation. GP102 [11.8Bn] >> TU102 [18.6Bn] >> GA102 [28.3 Bn] >> AD102 [76.3Bn] Why does a 50% increase in Vram [which also is made of transistors] sound justified to you over the course of 8 years especially given the price premium? We used to get 11 GB at 700 USD, now we get 16 GB for a 1000/1200 USD. VRAM is also cheaper than it was before. Secondly, I know so many people who game on their TVs, which are all 4k. Why would anyone game at 1080p on their 4k TV? Thirdly 4k gaming monitors are coming out and are replacing 2k monitors in the market. I myself have only had 4k monitors in the last ~10 years. Even phones have more resolution than 1080p nowadays. I mean you don't need all the VRAM if your only wish is to simply play a game no matter the resolution/graphic quality. But if you wish to enjoy it with all the detail and eye candy, then even 16 GB is a limitation right now, especially in 4k setups. For me, the immersion I get with the higher resolution is part of the gaming experience.. It just enables a different experience. And VRAM makes it possible.
50% over 8 years sounds alright until you divide it and see it's less than 7% improvement per year. That's glacial in terms of computer tech
March of technology progress suggests that as the tech improves and manufacturing gets more efficient price per unit is supposed to go down. So 12gb today should cost less than 8gb 10 years ago
I’m also one of the few conflicted over the VRAM controversy. On one hand, I agree that Nvidia really needs to start being more generous with the VRAM and needs to understand that there’s still a ton of gamers playing at native resolution at high settings. On the other hand, I have yet to have any sort of VRAM issues with my 3080 Ti at 4K maximum with RT included. The highest amount of VRAM I’ve used was 95% but that’s also because I have apps running in the background that also use a portion of VRAM.
wouldnt be the first time those people have been doing this kind of stuff telling people they are wrpng and basically showing how arrogant a channel can be