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Thanks for the suggestions and compliment! With this level of data, it's tough to not have it be crowded. I had thought about doing a different kind of chart, more graphic in nature, but it would be hard for people to follow as graphic charts can look pretty chaotic or hard to identify specific data points. I plan on doing follow up vids in the future similar to my plan for the gpu vids, perhaps once a month or every couple of months and hopefully I'll be able to figure out something easier to follow by then. As to the color scales, I like your idea of identifying those outliers of high price vs. low frames, but I think perhaps a differentiating color to highlight those specific cpu's. What do you think?

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware I'm not sure if a different color would illustrate that they cost a lot but produce low frames compared to other CPUs to me the point of cost per frame is to show you shouldn't buy product A if product B cost lost and is 1.better, 2 equal or just about equal 3. only a little behind like around 80 to 90% of the same performance. and there's a lot of cpu's listed so maybe having them listed by the performance tiers or core count like the i/r3 i/r5 i/r7 i/r9 things like that, or using multiple graphs might be the solution

Perhaps, I'll have to think about that and how to possibly implement such comparisons without extending the video lengths too much (youtube seems to have problems with new channels having vids that are too long :/). But to be clear, I was thinking of highlighting them in a differentiating color and then discussing them. I don't know if it needs to be granular as to cross comparisons and percentages of performance within those comparisons since that would possibly make the chart(s) even more complex and possibly even harder to follow. I'll have to consider it though! But, I do agree that if some cpu's really stand out as outliers, that could be beneficial to point those out whether they are great buys or bad buys, but more specific than that, would exponentially increase the video length!

Yep! That's why I mentioned their problems in the vid and highlighted them in yellow for the average cost per frame results :) Thanks for mentioning it!

Yes, I mentioned that the results by TechPowerUp was with utilizing a RTX 4090 to give each cpu zero impedance and measure the max possible results.

Great catch! I based the chart on the tests ran by TechPowerUp, and their results didn't have that cpu on it :/ That being said, I would think that it would rank somewhere between the 7950X3D and the 7900X as to its results as well as cost per frame. Thanks for pointing that out!!

Thanks! If I get more people asking me to fix their pc's, I'll definitely film and post them!

Thanks so much! Yeah, it was a great deal, unfortunately now the Founders Edition is sold out from what I can tell, so now the only place to get it is on the used market :(

That's a good all around cpu for gaming at 1440p and 4k, it's a little in the worrisome range in the cost per frame at 1080p, but at 1440p, it's a solid performer and cost effective!

I would wait for now to see what is offered and what those prices are before buying that gpu. A good example of this, specifically for gaming, was the 9000 series cpus that came out where the uplift was very small vs the 7000 series cpus at a price point much higher than the current prices of the 7000 series. This result in turn raised the prices of the 7800X3D by more than 27% recently. Similarly, if the 5000 series gpus turns out unimpressive, it would raise the prices of the 4000 series gpus in theory. BUT if the new gpus outperform the 4000 series by a decent amount, it should theoretically lower the price of the 4000 series. As well, the 4060 Ti is an okay gpu, not great, and certainly might have a problem with games in the near future even with 16gb of vram, and at the current prices, that gpu would not be a great buy.

Intel isn't having as much of a problem with the i5's, I wouldn't be overly concerned with that for the 13th and 14th gen, especially if you update the recent microcode/bios. That being said, it's a bit of a shaky time for them for certain. If I were buying new, and wanted Intel, I'd probably go with 12th gen i5 or i7 for gaming which keeps you in the LGA 1700 socket for when they finally resolve the problems, thus giving you enough headroom for future upgrades. Otherwise, I'd wait on a new build with current gen stuff right now for both Intel and AMD, they are both having their share of problems right now.

Agreed, but some people will pay a decent premium for the convenience and "safety" of the tech support and warranty, especially those that are unaware of the large cost differences.

Yeah I agree that pc seems way over priced though from the vid seems like there's reasons... I just wouldn't pay that much for that pc

A lot of people would probably feel that way if they knew how things are priced and the reasons for it. Some people would still buy such a pc for the convenience and safety though!

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the compliment!

Yeah, I think the motherboard is from an old Dell prebuilt pc

7800x3D may become a GOAT for AMD (depending on if there is a 9800x3D and if so, how it performs) since the rollout of Zen 5 is not good compared to Zen 4. Right now the 7800x3D is low in inventory for new and getting a bit competitive on the used market. If you want to get one, I'd get one either ASAP or wait until either end of year or Q1 2025 to see how the market is for it since you can always find a used one, but the price may shift massively up or down depending on Zen 5 news.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware thank you i get it

Nice! Let me know how that turns out!

For it's price, it's not bad. It's comparable to the RTX 4060 or the RX 6600 and is primarily good as a cost per frame at 1080p. At today's prices, once you get into 1440p gaming or above, it's cost per frame starts showing that it's under powered. That being said, with Intel's recent progress with XeSS and driver compatibility, it's starting to look better, but for 1440p gaming, its price needs to be closer to about where it was last month, around $180 would be a sweet spot for that card.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware i'm getting a deal in 3060 ti used 1 yr warranty at 240 Doller, 3070 used 1 yr warranty at 260 Doller and Arc a750 new 220 Doller should i wait for arc gpu price down? and thanks for the reply

I'd wait for the Arc A750, especially since Battlemage gpus are going to be announced probably this fall. The A750 price at $220 is a little too high for its value. The 3060 ti performs better by a decent clip than the A750 and on the used market is going for between $220 to $280, so with a 1 yr warranty, $240 is a decent price (I'd rather see it near $220 due to age of the card). And the 3070 performs a little better than the 3060 ti and is currently going for between $230 to $300 on the used market, so the $260 price is decent with a 1 yr warranty (though I'd like to see that one at about $240 or lower). All in all the two Nvidia cards are a decent deal at your prices, depending on the coverage that the warranty is providing. If you are planning on using these for pc or component flips then look into whether or not that 1 yr warranty is transferrable. Bottom line, good prices on the RTXs, not a good price on that A750.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware Okay, thank you for your valuable response. I have a 2050 laptop. I think I should wait a couple of months with it until the new GPU launches from Intel. Until then, these used ones can fall further. Also, the 40 series will be widely available on the used market, which is not the case at this moment. Thanks again, you helped me a lot. I'm from India. Here, PC-related creators are fewer, and they don't upload frequently. So, for a normal user without knowledge, there's always a chance of being robbed by sellers. Have a nice day! 😊🙏

Glad I could help!! Love having viewers and subs from other countries!! If you know of others in your same spot, feel free to share this video or my channel with them! Thanks for watching!!

Right now, you're better off waiting to see what comes to market (possibly as late as Q1 2025. That can help you to figure out (after 3rd party benchmarking is done) the best price to performance for the dollar. In doing so, it will also possibly drive prices down on older models when the new models roll out. Conversely, there have been times where it either drives older model pricing up or they stay the same, it will depend on inventory vs. demand. I'd also keep an eye on what AMD is doing with their FSR and RT improvements between now and then to see if there is benefit there. The best apples for apples comparison for you would be the 4070 Ti Super vs. the 7900 xt. I'd only look at the 7900 GRE if you are looking to maximize $/frame and still remain at 16GB Vram.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware Thank You for your help. Your data is great. I look forward to future videos. Also the 6800 has been a great card.... I got it in November of last year for $380.... best value 1440p card ever, and for it being 4 years old it holds up well in AAA games, i think.

@@themachine4008 Thanks! It keeps me going, making vids when I get feedback like that! The 6800, for its price range, is a great card. It should be good for at least a few more years. If you do replace it, I'd suggest selling it used on jawa or ebay to recoup some of what you spend on the new card.

Thanks a lot! Always great to get that kind of feedback!

Happy to help! I think the 4070 Super is the slightly better choice from a performance standpoint but the 7800 xt has the better price by about $100 and it has 16 gb of vram vs. the Super that has 12 gb vram so it might be the smarter buy in the long run. Either choice has good performance, even in 4k (no RT). Let me know what you end up getting!

Glad your friend is okay so far, I'd let him know that if he's comfortable with it, to maybe lower some of the bios cpu settings (and maybe the ram, especially if xmp is enabled) for now rather than updating the bios until we know more as to the effectiveness of intel's "fix". Meanwhile, at this point, I wouldn't worry too much about your 4070 Super unless you're seeing some hotspots over 80-85c. If you are, you may want to repaste and/or undervolt your gpu until you can do so or find someone who can.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware good advice! I'll tell my friend and keep an eye on my gpu

I like what you've done with these build vids but I'd like to see some where you talk about the parts you pick to

Interesting! You're not the first to ask me about this. I'll have to look into doing that on my next build! Thanks for the feedback!

Glad I could help!

Thanks a lot! I'm glad it helped!

Thanks a lot! That's a great question! I think that over the short term there is a slight higher value to DLSS but FSR (and XeSS for Intel) are making larger strides in frame gen and even RT. So I think that in the long term it will become a footrace on which of these gets the lead in the market. In other words, in the long run, I think the relative value of DLSS/FSR/XeSS will end up being nearly indistinguishable; however, right now DLSS has the slight edge especially if you involve RT.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware So if you were to include what the fps would be with upscaling the price to performance might change to the better....right, but like you said dlss has the edge right now..... especially at lower resolutions. But i am no expert. i have a rx 6800. It was a good buy, but my wife has the 4070 and i think dlss does a better job. guess i cant complain. i got the card for $360 in April. I am just wondering if i should get a 4070 super...i am worried about the 12gb of vram.

For the most part, I believe the RX 6800 has the better value long term over the 4070 Super. A lot would have to change for that to be otherwise. I think from a price to performance standpoint you made a great choice.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware k......Ty for the feedback and your time....and sorry for the long discussion.

It's my pleasure! I enjoy talking to my viewers and subscribers!!

If it was new, it's not a bad price, a little lower by about $80 would be nice to get at least one of their price/frame numbers into the green. The near equivalent performer gpu for price/perf from AMD would be the 7900 XT, there's one from Asrock right now for approximately the same price for $649.99 and it has 20 GB of VRAM and the fps numbers are slightly better for the 7900 XT. A 16 GB alternative would be the 7900 GRE which from a straight fps comparison does slightly worse than the 4070 Ti Super, but there is one from Acer selling at $499.99. The only downside I can think of when comparing would be that DLSS performs better than FSR at this point and I don't see that changing a whole lot in the near future, so if you plan on using that, then I'd stick with the NVIDIA card.

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware thanks for the super fast response! i do think i want to try DLSS so ill stick with it then. do you think the 4gb of vram difference between the 4070ti super and the 7900xt matters that much if we don't include DLSS and FSR

My pleasure!! It won't matter in the current state of gaming unless you're going into ultra settings with RT in which case the difference in VRAM can come into play with or without DLSS, depending on the game and game engine. But most games are satisfyingly playable even at 50fps so I don't think you would have much to worry about. If games start coming out that are a lot more gpu hungry, it could be a problem, but between DLSS, FSR, Unreal Engine 5.4+, and the increasing focus on game optimizations, I don't see it being a problem. Your card should do you proud for at least the next 4 to 6 years.

I have a 4070 TI Super and its a great GPU. Dominates at 1440p native and with the dlss very confident would even be a good 4k card. That is a great price for a great card.

If I get enough people asking for that, I'd be happy to break that down for a future video!!

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware that would be interesting to see.....the people in Europe might want to know more then Americans.

Interesting point! I may have to look into that as well if I decide to put together some charts and a video for this. Thanks for the suggestion!

My pleasure!! The 7900 GRE from purely a current price to performance aspect is the better choice. There is something to be said about the RTX 4070 Super if you are planning on using ray tracing in your games as DLSS is still a better tool to handle that gameplay. Let me know what you end up getting!

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware I ended up getting the 4070 Super mostly cos of it being close to the GRE in performance and price and DLSS is better 😎

It's a good card, should last you for quite some years! Congrats!!

Thanks a lot! That makes the work worth it!! That's a decent price for that gpu, good performer too! The 7800x3d, I'm not sure if you meant that model as that's AMD's best gaming cpu, not gpu. As I said in the vid, I am considering doing something similar for cpu's, just depends on whether people ask for it :)

Thanks so much! It means a lot when someone says something like that! I have a budget build video I'm planning on, so check back in the next week or two!!

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware i will, notifications are on 🤝

Thanks!! I actually considered doing that with this one but wasn't sure what people are looking for, so if I get enough requests for it, I sure can. I have some footage of a budget build I just did, so it's up to the viewer on what they want to see, a montage or parts review or benchmark & game testing for that one or some other build in the future!!

@@Lead-a-Horse-PC-Hardware maybe a combo of them??

Possibly! Again, it will somewhat depend on what people want to see most!!

Thanks! It was a fun video to make and the local subscriber was really stoked about his new pc which makes it all worthwhile!

You shouldn't be getting destroyed at 1080P in anything and most likely can play most games at 1440P fine with that card on at least High settings. My old Box with a 9600k/1660 TI plays Helldivers 2/ RD2 ect just fine on high 1080P. My current Rig is a 7800x3d with a 4070 Super that has zero issues at 1440P. Honestly anything over 12GB Vram is a waste at 1080P or 1440P

key part: based on [..] my current system. You have a pretty beefy pc. Running smooth 1440p really is the sweet spot of gaming right now, but it's not the reality of most.

this goes for everything else - old even 4 cores cpus, mid and now even low tier graphic cards, 16 gigs of ram, low res low refresh rate monitors and so on. it's more than enough for the absolute majority of mainstream gamers. it's not even about ultra settings - there're tons of frame by frame comparisons showing not only that ultra is most of the time pointless, but often enough high and medium settings are virtually indistinguishable, literally the same.

you're contradicting yourself - most people and high end gamers are mutually exclusive. actually, according to the latest hwub video "58% of gamers are still using 1080p" and believe you me, they don't even shoot for 60fps flat often.

what are you smoking ? if you look on steam, more then 60% of the users play on 1080p ... there like under 10% that use 4k agree that 60fps its to low now a days, because most affordable monitors these days have 120hz minimum and you should try to have at least 90-100fps...

@@b4g4b3l Sure champ. And you believe Steam review is an accurate representation?. That's rich. Also HUB did nothing wrong in their video... This video is awful and the downvote vs upvote ration is 23 up 70 down. On the wrong side of history here.

@@ausnorman8050 i just gave an example where every1 can look up stats.... give me another example where i can see that 1444p/4k 120fps its the "good setup"... just because you have that it doesnt mean its what every1 uses... not every1 can afford 16gb vram card + decent monitors , because i dought ppl are dumb to buy an 700$ card and use it with an 1080p 60hz monitor, so you also need to buy decent monitors or tvs... i'm a HUB fallower for years but this recommendation doesnt make any sense

@@b4g4b3l Have you ever owned 4k TV/Monitor? Do you see what 1080p game resolution on those 4k Monitor/TV look fuzzy/blurry?... steam? just look at steam player base 1.5mil playing CS:2 and 40k player playing Destiny 2 (AAA Games).. huge difference system resource requirement..i own RX 580 8GB / 16GB Ram playing 4K at Low/Medium Setting in all games just to get somewhere close to 60 fps lol.