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You're exactly right. That's why it went straight into the dumpster and I went back to my tried and true sandbag setup.

He is very happy with it.

Absolutely (but it's not a rifle - it's a carbine - which is basically nothing more than a short rifle) :)

Anemic for a MBR. Not at all anemic when you consider what it was designed to replace (the 1911 sidearm). The M1 Carbine actually has the energy at 100 yards as a .357 mag does at the muzzle.

Luckily we don't have that problem here except for very rare exceptions.

You still need earplugs but it's certainly not .308 loud!

We don't get it out very often but it being Memorial Day weekend.... I have to put together the shooting from yesterday and do a table top discussion of the history etc on them today. It should be out by late this evening so stay tuned!

I know they sell the newly built au*o O*d models for around 1200 these days. The military versions can get "somewhat pricey".

Yeah, I was seated in an awkward position. Still recovering from some broken vertebrae in my back. I normally wrap the sling around the elbow and grip it much further out. I got lazy and used my knee for an elbow rest.

On the ranch rifle you are correct. They were however available factory options early on. Samson & Ruger got together to "re-introduce" the folding stock.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 I really like the "ATM" stock. Don't know if that's still how it's advertised on the Samson website but it really changes the whole look of the Mini. The stock is compatible with the Mini-14, Mini-30, etc..

Yes. It's just a fun "cool" thing to have. No chance of a decent cheek weld but still a lot of fun to shoot. It does collapse nicely for a truck gun sans the scope. The S*mson stock uses the original molds and specs from R*ger.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 Yes, it's tons of fun and for a lot of people It brings back the A-Team vibes, lol. Best wishes.

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Here we go again with the YT censoring. They deleted my reply. Let's put it this way: It works fine for range work, informal plinking, and occasional 4 legged varmint. I'd shy away from that round in general for home defense if you're concerned about over penetration.

Yep. That's why that "rest" went immediately to the dumpster. I'll stick with sandbags.

Thank you very much for you kind comments. The folding stock is again just something "cool". I put it on occasionally just for a fun change of pace for informal plinking in the backyard or down by the pond. I'm a traditionalist at heart and much prefer a simple wood stock to all of the fancy add on rails and lights. I did succumb to adding the L**pold 3-9x scope on this rifle for picking off coyotes and/or foxes across the field. I have a SW*A fixed 6x on the RAR in .308 for hunting. My Garand, M1A, and M1 C*rbine all have the standard military peep sights and I love them. I have a U**rtie 1873 I'm putting a M*rble tang site on next week. The Hen*y .22 WMR came with Skin**r peep sites which I love. Keep you eyes peeled for a beautiful 28 double that I should pick up tomorrow.....

The scope is in mils. I'm going to move it about 3 clicks right and 6 clicks up and put it on a sandbag. (Those shots were at 25 yards). We've had some medical issues here as of late so we are way behind in putting out videos. Mrs Hidden Acres is recovering well now so no worries.

We've been having some health related issues with Mrs Hidden Acres Outdoors. As soon as that is settled I will get an accuracy test completed. Remember the mil standard is only roughly 3ish MOA I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong - the data should be in the military RFP when they put out tech specs for desired new weapons / ammo).

It's a cool stock but not one where you can really get a good cheek weld. Still fun to shoot though.

I still haven't had a chance to bench test the M855 but I will soon.

I'll bump it to the top of the list! Look for it in a few days.

Tried replying earlier. I guess YT didn't like what I had to say. Suffice it to say that we are in agreement on everything you said in your comment.

16gauge singleshot

Another excellent choice IF you have a good supply of ammo. 16 gauge is pretty hard to find. Even some of the reloading components (wads for example) are scarce. We have my wife's grandmother's 16 gauge Model 12 in the gun room.

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It depends entirely on what niche you want a new gun to fill. I'll assume you live in big sky country by your 23-08 choice. If you intend on hunting with a rifle then I'd consider a bolt action in the .30 caliber family (30-06, .308, etc) or depending on what you want to hunt with it, perhaps something like the .270. If you're just shooting varmints your 23-08 or the .17 HMR should fill the bill nicely. It sounds like you have the shotgun basics covered but there's just something about a nice double barrel...

Thanks. If you take a look at the miss pattern (there were only 15 shots vs the 20 I thought was in the mag), you'll see they're concentrated in about the 7 o'clock position. Absolutely poor trigger control on my part. The trigger on the rifle is pretty much what you'd expect from a good military trigger with the take up and then a clean break. I can polish it up a bit but it's not ever going to be like a nice bolt action hunting rifle - nor would you want it to be. Bottom line is that it was poor shooting on my part. I'll put it on some sandbags after Christmas and do it right next time.

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I've heard as much about the 855 green tips as well. Can I ask what twist rate the barrel that you used is? I'm not doubting you but I'm just curious. So far in my rifle it seems to be pretty good - at least as a range round. Mine certainly doesn't like the Rem Express 55 gr loads at all. All rifles seem to have their own personality don't they? ;) I'll have to do a better bench rest session with them using sand bags vs that crappy orange thing I was trying to use.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 most of my guns are 1 in 8, but I have an old A1 that's 1 in 12(that really doesn't like anything heavier than 55gr) I also have one that's 1 in 10 and that actually probably is the most accurate with green tips. I'm not so sure I can really attribute that to the twist so much as that it's an old Olympic target rifle with a very accurate barrel. It shoots everything 64gr or lighter better than any other 5.56 I own. I have rifles with 5.56, .233 and .223 Wylde chambers. One is a 18" 1in 7 with a heavy profile bbl in .223 Wylde that I put together for 77gr bullets for coyote hunting. It seems to shoot 64 gr .223 deer season XP very well, but 62 green tips never do much better than 1.5 MOA. This gun regularly shoots 1/4-1/2 MOA with loads it likes including the 64gr XP load.

1/4 to 1/2 MOA is some serious accuracy. Congrats. I've got all the stuff to work up a load for the rifle but it'll never be a routine sub MOA shooter and I really don't need it to be. I would like to keep it in the 1.5 MOA range or less if possible though.

I'd say excellent choices. I'm still wanting something in the Victor or Edge line for a truck gun.

Perhaps you should go back and actually watch the video. Nowhere did I say the .223 isn't effective at 200 or 300 yards. I spent 22 years in the military so don't try and lecture me on the 5.56 round. Been there, done that. However, as I said in the video, if I were further West and habitually shot at ranges of 300 to 400+ yards that I'd opt for something like the .243 or .270. I stand by that. As a matter of fact many locales do not allow the taking of deer or other "big game" with the .223/5.56 and there's a big argument on how ethical it is or is not to hunt deer with the 223 / 5.56. I did say that the .22 magnum round on coyote sized targets is stretching it at 150 yards - for the same reasons. I can hit the animal BUT I'm probably not going to get a clean kill. I may have also mentioned that the 30-30 drops like a rock beyond the 200 yard mark, hence the .308 on the table. Not sure if I mentioned that or not though. What you're probably referring to is the explanation I provided on why there is a scope mounted on the .223 rifle. I also talk about dropping a round in the chamber and nailing a coyote 200 yards away with it (because that's my longest clear line of fire on my property). Go back and watch the video before you blast me with your inability to process information clearly provided and in context.

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@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 I thought so! Great gun right there!!!

I love it almost as well as my '70 Series Gold Cup.

Don't start talking need vs wants. I've convinced my wife we "need" all the guns in my collection - of which this is just a small sampling - and that there are still more "needs" that we don't yet have. Hopefully sooner than later though! Let's see, M1A, MSR, suppressors, new reloading stuff...........

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 Ha ha, we always "need" that one extra gun regardless of how many we already have. Now they've got me little worried in CA since rabid anti-gun Sen. Portantino is introducing a new law to require every firearm owner to register EVERY gun in his possession EVERY year, with a registration fee. I don't see how that can be constitutional. You can't turn a right into a privilege! Pay tax to vote?

I'd say it's time to get out of CA and move to a red state. I know - easier said than done. Thankfully I live it probably the most conservative county in a conservative state (don't let them fool you - our current gov got in exactly the same way that Biden got in).

SA XDs. They've upgraded them a bit since I purchased this one but this is a great carry gun. Much easier to maintain in dirty environments than my 1911's.

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Excellent point about availability of parts. I do use a .50 cal black powder rifle during black powder season here. It's not a flintlock though. Percussion cap that I modified to accept 209 size shotgun shell primers vs No 11 caps. Dropped the hammer once on a doe to nothing but the sickening "click". Problem now solved.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 A smooth properly loaded smooth bore will drop a man or deer up to a range of 70 yards. The larger smooth bores will also handle shot; even shot made over a camp fire by putting droplets of molten lead from a dipper into a pan of water. Only a supply of flint that can last a long time and home made black powder is needed. I am thinking of the hudson bay muskets. For parts I have seen some relatively wealthy people advocate having two identical guns using one as a source of parts for the other. For the AR, it is just easier to buy the spare parts in the form of a build kit and also an oops kit of parts. Oops parts are little springs, pins, and such that you when you go oops and drop one that can not be found. You must have backups. On glocks the little plastic thingy for the extractor spring and the cups around the firing pins I have also lost.

Agree totally but I've never really gotten into BP shooting enough to make my own powder, etc. Too many interests, too little time.

Actually it's one of the 580 series with the thicker barrel and the other accuracy improvements they made. The strut is mainly for looks but it can't hurt. I have no idea if it has made a difference but it does add to the M-14 look.

i bought mine at walmart around 25 years ago. i do like the look.@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838

Picked mine up at a Roses after Obama got elected but before he was inaugurated.

i miss roses. they used to have surplus mausers, enfields, etc for $70-$100.@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838

Yeah. A lot of the guys (and a few gals) in our unit were snapping up SKS's as fast as they hit the shelves.

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I'd prefer a bit more oomph for grizzly bears but I think the '94 would work just fine. It would just take more than one shot I believe.

They'll last for generations if you take care of them. I had my local gunsmith do some work on my XDs and was apologizing about how dirty it was. He laughed and said that some of the guns folks bring them to be cleaned actually stink. I couldn't believe it. There are a lot of people out there that won't bother cleaning the innards until they start having failures.

Wow but how YT keeps censoring and deleting my replies. I'll simply say "no problem" this time.

Nice. My uncle had a WWII era German Luger with all matching numbers to include the magazine. After he died I think his ultra liberal kids pawned them at the local pawn shop. Sickening.

I don't think anyone could argue against the lineup.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 I can't argue with your lineup either. Personally, I think an essential is a 12 gauge

Absolutely. First gun I ever bought was that 1100 from Best Buy of all places.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 Get outta here! Best buy? When did they sell something that good?

Absolutely the truth. It had to be late 70's / early 80's. Best Buy in Greensboro, NC. All the stores back then carried firearms. You could buy SKS's at Roses well into the 90's or perhaps early 2000's. Here's something that'll break your heart: I picked up my Garand from DCM for the grand sum of $265 AND they shipped it to my PO Box.

I started bow hunting with a Fred Bear Whitetail Hunter many many moons ago. We used everything from broadheads to small game blunt tips to the bird hunting fru fru arrows or whatever they're called. Older now with a few neck and shoulder surgeries so I'm thinking seriously about a crossbow for next deer season. Any recommendations that won't break the bank? I do have some nicer knives in the collection also. Maybe I'll do a show and tell video later this winter on some of those.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 One Of Things Is Bushcraft Knives And They Can Pretty Expensive When You Buy Knives. Just Check It Out Before You Buy Knives And Price Them. Same Thing Bows And Arrows And Crossbows And Pullets And Crossbow Pistols And Bolts. Just Check Them Out Before You Buy Them Too. I Like To Have More Hunting And Fishing Bolts. About All I Need Just Enough To Live And Survive And I Am Not Fighting With Everybody. Just Like To Live And Survive All This That's Going On Right Now.

More power to you. The less I have to deal with the world the better I like it.

Trying to get one on the Mini-14 with the Samson folding stock edited as soon as I finish one on our new farm pond build on another one of our channels. Hopefully I can get the last of the footage today testing some evil green tip ammo to check the accuracy from my particular rifle. It should be out early next week.

Who doesn't love that classic look? The smoother lines, the natural feeling in your hands. It may be a bit heavier and less durable than polymer, but it is a timeless look that, if maintained well, will last a lifetime.

I guess it's what you grew up slobbering over in old movies and gun magazines. The newer generations replaced our old wood furniture with plastic because that's what they were exposed to. Tactical in my day was putting a sling on a shotgun or opting for the 30 round vs the 15 round mag in the M1 Carbine (insert laugh here).

Agreed - although I don't own a polymer full sized handgun. I think one of the biggest advantages of the modern polymer styled handguns is the ease of maintenance. The biggest drawback? Most have awful triggers compared to non-striker fired pistols (in my opinion).

Currently I do not. In the past I certainly have. We passed a M&P Sport down to my stepson. My son owns an AR-10 that is a beast. I'm still trying to justify something out the Edge lineup but can't quite get there at the moment.

I'm sure that they do. As I said, I just happen to prefer the "old school" stuff like 1911's and wooden stocks on my rifles and shotguns. This was in no way a slight against striker fired pistols or the MSR's.

We have one of those as well. It's loaded and sitting next to my wife's side of the bed as I type this. I've been meaning to see how it does with the new Xtreme Defense bullets. From what I've seen the results are impressive. Any experience with those?

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 from what I know just be sure the bullet nose is rounded somewhat to not scrub the feedramp and stovepipe. But you may have known this. Carbines are a great little rifle!

I was thinking more of their Penetrator or Defense bullets with the head that looks like a Phillips head screwdriver.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 I haven’t handloaded for the Carbine yet but sounds like a bullet to try.

Check out some of the reviews on YT. Impressive.

I never got used to a red dot. Of course I didn't give them much of a shot. I suppose it takes a little getting used to.

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They are. The 30-30 is a 1952 build that seen its time in the woods long before she inherited it. When the winds are right and I hunt down in the bottom land it's what I take. You'd be hard pressed to find a shot of 40 yards down there. I may have to break out the 1100 and throw a slug in the chamber and some 00 in the tube.

Thank you. Everyone will have slightly different choices of manufacturers and calibers based on personal preferences, expense, and tailoring of the round to their exact circumstances. Mine would be slightly different if I lived somewhere else. I've always kept my guns clean I suppose. I don't mind using them in whatever environmental conditions I'm in but they always get a good cleaning afterwards. My grandkids and someday their kids will appreciate that.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 I haven't got any grandkids, but I have already given my son a few and he knows there will be more to follow once I'm gone. I noticed you haven't got one of those "scary black rifles" among your choices. I prefer the Mini-14 as well. It didn't need the Accu-Stru but my Mini-30 did. It was bought in the 80's. And, I prefer the pump over the automatic .12 ga. I've had it (870 Wingmaster) since 76. I gave my son my Henry .22 magnum Since I never used it. I just usually use my Ruger 10/22 for close range varmints as well as hunting. I bought it back in the 70's as well. I also depend a lot on my Ruger Mark 2 I bought in the early 80's. I got rid of all my semi-auto handguns (except the .22) and use revolvers in the high powered handguns. I have no clue where you live, but I am in NW GA. One handgun you left out that I depend on a lot around the homestead is a Taurus Judge. At close range, the ability to shoot .410 shells is great on Copperhead and Rattlesnakes. As well as being my carry pistol when on the tractor. It's good practice on rats and mice when bush hogging. BTW, my 30-30 is a Marlin and my primaty deer rifle is a Ruger .308 bolt action.

I've always had a love affair with the 1911's and lever guns in general. Same for single action revolvers. Same deer rifle that I use as my go to for hunting. I did have a scary black rifle that we passed down to my step son but for some reason I never really took a liking to them. Not sure why. In North Central NC on this end.

@@hiddenacresoutdoors-gunshu838 You sound like my neighbor when it comes to the 1911s. Where as I prefer my .357 and .44 mag. As far as deer hunting, it depends on where I am hunting. I usually kill one with the 30-30 and one with the .308 I like lever actions as well. My wife uses a Browning BLR in the 7mm-08 and I "borrow" it occasionally. BTW, I like NC. Back before old age caught up with me, I had a motorcycle and I always enjoyed going up into NC on my occasional road trips. Pretty state.

Thank you for your NC compliments. I've spent a bit of time in GA while in the military. I'd like to go striper fishing in Lanier with the fly rod. Did you ever make it up to ride the Tail of the Dragon while in NC? Spent an entire 4th of July weekend there one year on my BMW R1100 back in the day. Many beautiful places to ride here but I also got a bit older and had to give it up.

Well at least give some constructive criticism. Just saying they're bad choices only means that in YOUR opinion they're bad choices. That adds nothing to the conversation other than ignorance.