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It’s been a staple technique of mine for dogs that don’t pose any reactive/dominant risks to physical contact 😃 Let me know how it works for you!

@ Reporting back, just did two reps on my bosses dog and noticed immediate significant improvement. Not a professional dog trainer yet, but this is a game changer for me.

Awesome!

That’s a great question. Honestly, there are probably many different interpretations and synonymous uses of both words. However, the way we use them - ignition is more about the energy that creates action independent of the outcome; whereas, “hope” is typically used to imply expended energy towards a specific or known outcome. But again, there are many that use them interchangeably, but when Mike and I use these two terms, they have slight different connotations. Hope that is helpful! If you need further clarification feel free to let us know where we can clear up any remaining confusion!

I agree with what Jason said above and want to add that the definition of “hope” as I see it is the degree of belief in an expected outcome.

Yes, but not necessarily in the beginning. We speak more about it in the original episode, you must at some point reach the point of avoidance in your training. Eventually, you want the dog doing without the constant use of pressure.

That’s great for you. Not all dogs have that in place, and in order to keep them safe (or their environment safe) a communication tool such as a remote collar is an extremely effective tool. There will always be something that a dog will value more than you…you probably have not encountered it yet tho. Good luck!

@@FullQuadrantPodcast use your voice men have trained dogs for thousands of years they didnt have retard collars.

Hey great question. What most people don’t know is that this was first introduced as a method to address food aggression in dogs. After that, several other applications were discovered and became popular. In the end, the core benefits are obedience under distraction and stress, focus, and impulse control.

Appreciate the feedback! Thanks for tuning in!

Once you introduce the ecollar using one method there is no reason to use another method because the dog already understands. The different methods are used to teach the dog what the pressure from the ecollar is. Once the dog understands, the teaching is done and now you just use it as a reinforcer or a correction. Or, in the case of a deaf dog, as a command.

So, I’m not sure what you mean by “correction phase”. In NePoPo, if introduced correctly, you have two approaches that allow for the introduction of R- from the very beginning which are the NePo or NePoPo learning methods (aka Pyramids). Each pyramid has 3 levels: 1. The learning level 2. The intermediate level 3. Stimulus control (highest level of pyramid). In this session, the instances where Jason marked and didn’t add emotion, were situations where the goal was calm or stability in a certain position. Additionally, the encouragement for his owner to react with emotion was to help increase the dog’s attitude. Hopefully that is helpful!

This is the million-dollar question! And the answer is simple but has many ways to solve it: build more ignition in the dog! Our episode, “The Active Dog” is a great place to start, but I think this would be a great topic for a follow up episode! Appreciate the question!

Oh boy what a can of worms that would be 😃 Definitely a relevant topic for those in our industry! We’ll see what we can do!

Honestly I think most people start out this way if they’re on their own. What takes time and new understanding is seeing things through the dog’s eyes. Once that happened for me, everything changed for the better. Thanks for the feedback!

Great to hear! And yes! Anticipation can either be a good or bad thing. If it’s bad, build anticipation in the other direction, and if it’s good, reinforce it! Using a solid understanding of how to manipulate motivation in a dog is a powerful training tool 😃 We appreciate your feedback!

Great idea. We’ll put something together and add a video demonstrating the different approaches for you!

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Hi yes, we are working on getting all past and future episodes loaded into Apple Podcasts

Our episodes are now available on Apple Podcasts 😃 podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/full-quadrant-podcast/id1731894584

​@FullQuadrantPodcast can you get it uploaded on Spotify?

Hey, that's a good question. The cologne technique is something Bart shares from his experience as a competitor and trainer being in Europe. It does not seem likely that the residual fragrance would be strong enough to provide that level of interference, but again, this was method used to help dogs prepare for (read: cue) for the specific mindset of required for tracking, obedience, or protection by sport handlers in Europe. However, with all things in training dogs, there are always exceptions...nothing is absolute!

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Hi, Rhonda. What kind of dog do you have?

Since you are talking about martial arts I believe this video by Bruce Lee describes NePoPo®️ the best “be water my friend” ruclips.net/video/cJMwBwFj5nQ/видео.htmlsi=wZREvSYcaLyULYnk

HIstory 1 : Jeet Kune Do (JKD) was developed by Bruce Lee, who was heavily influenced by his own experiences in martial arts, including Wing Chun Kung Fu, Western boxing, fencing, and various other disciplines. Lee began his martial arts training in Wing Chun (Nepopo ... ) under the renowned instructor Yip Man (Bart ... ) in Hong Kong. However, as he continued to train and study various martial arts, he began to develop his own philosophy and approach to combat. Jeet Kune Do, which translates to "The Way of the Intercepting Fist," was Bruce Lee's personal martial arts philosophy and system. It emphasized simplicity, directness, and efficiency, encouraging practitioners to use whatever techniques were most effective for them in any given situation, rather than adhering strictly to traditional styles or forms. Lee's philosophy emphasized constant learning . While Lee drew inspiration from Wing Chun and other martial arts traditions, Jeet Kune Do itself was a departure from traditional martial arts systemshistory and is not practised much anymore , anywhere by anybody while Muay Thai and other traditional styles, even if imple,mented, still stay and rukle the game of fighting Shaping (new Nepopo) : Shaping in dog training involves using positive reinforcement to gradually shape desired behaviors. It's particularly effective in the early months of a puppy's life because it allows them to learn and explore while building confidence and problem-solving skills. By breaking down desired behaviors into small steps and rewarding incremental progress, shaping encourages dogs to think and learn independently. As for luring, it can be useful, especially in the initial stages of training when introducing a new behavior. However, relying too heavily on luring can lead to dogs becoming dependent on prompts rather than understanding the behavior's intrinsic value. Once a behavior is established, fading out lures and transitioning to shaping can help reinforce the behavior and encourage the dog to perform it reliably without constant guidance. In essence, both shaping and luring have their place in dog training, but they should be used strategically depending on the stage of training and the individual dog's needs. Bart Bellon New Nepopo : " Let the dog do " .... and .... " Walk the talk" .... no chukichikitaka ....

@@nextmuaythai6624 Have you actually graduated from the NePoPo®school? It seems as though you have misunderstood key aspects of our message in the podcast or some kind of disconnect exists based on your post. We appreciate your comments, but NePoPo® is about using whatever you NEED in order to accomplish the goal of the dog doing with heart and soul...that can be luring OR shaping...there is no one way to do it. New NePoPo®, as it is called, does indeed place emphasis on the benefits that come from shaping; however, luring is still 100% acceptable as a means of training a dog for good results. If you haven't attended Silver or Gold school, there is still time to attend the next New Silver school on March 26 - 28th! We would love to see you there!

​"Hello, Bart and Michael highlighted that the New NePoPo® method emphasizes the benefits of shaping, which is its primary focus. Our question for you is: Do you believe that a puppy trained using the New NePoPo® approach can also be taught luring simultaneously?" or does luring (especially for a puppy) makes the dog slower and less creative ? While it is true you can/must be the architect of your own systhem, shouldnt we strive for absolute clearity ?

Not exactly. You should prepare a puppy for as much as possible, which includes shaping and luring. You don’t want your puppy to only learn one language, it must be well versed in everything. With free shaping the dog is learning how to learn and becoming independent. With luring the dog is learning how to follow. You must have balance, except if you will have a purposeful working dog, then you should create the mother language for that specific work.

It’s hard to have one without the other! And when done well, using both make an extremely well trained dog!

Can't wait!

Thank you for your support and feedback. We hope to continue to provide valuable insights!

Thank you! We have more episodes coming soon!

It was taken from this: Dr. Ron Van Houten, “The Effects of Punishment on Human Behavior”, Axelrod and Apsche, Academic Press, 1983

@@FullQuadrantPodcast thanks!!!!

There is a really interesting video from Ivan Balabanov as well. "The Real Facts About Science Based Dog Training" Hope this is not considered spam. Generally Ivan is well loved in the dog training community

I would first want to make sure that the puppy understood the opportunity for food was available. If it then made the choice to chase the leaves instead of taking the food, I would just stop training and that opportunity would close for the moment. 2-3hrs later I would give the opportunity again to the puppy. I would not use the crate, because the missed chance to eat is the consequence in that scenario.

Appreciate the feedback and comments! Great insights

I think that is -R You take away some thing the dog likes in order to have him practice even more fast strong willingly next time. As the Bhudda said : live the table being still hungry , leave the bd as soon as you wake up !

Fully agree with : A dog will fight for it’s own invention, whether they invent it all by themselves, or they THINK they invented the solution to the puzzle we placed before them. So long as they don’t see that we created the path of least resistance to the answer, when we also created the puzzle. Making it easier and even rewarding the dog when he fully has learned a new behaviour make the very same behaviour performing weaker and weaker . Therefore I think adding the cue is a very delicate moment and should be done via classical conditioning only (in my opinion ) therefore making the cue becoming the behaviour !

This is what we’re screaming 😃 We completely agree!

Unless you tap with low stim or pop with the leash before he/her Gleason with the nose into the track and … again before rewarding

Happy to hear it!

Interesting, please explain.

You’re right those behaviors are not self rewarding or self reinforcing in the way you mean. But if you create the right reinforcement schedule, what you can do is make the dogs addicted to those behaviors, and in that way, they do become self reinforcing. When done correctly, the dog becomes a dopamine junkie and its “fix”are the behaviors.

@@FullQuadrantPodcast, or the OPPORTUNITY to do the behaviors. The dopamine spikes on the cue, not when the dog sits.

@@FullQuadrantPodcast absolutely we want behaviors to be addicting to the dog. We want them to sit, down, stand, heel, go to place on cue with heart and soul, but to say that it’s self reinforcing would be wrong because we will always have to reinforce those behaviors. I see tons of IGP trials or PSA trials and the dogs look very happy, but most of those behaviors must go on to have outside reinforcement. The reason we pay to go the gym is because the gym is truly self reinforcing. The act of working out and what it does for our mental is rewarding. No one gives us that but ourselves. I do believe that there are behaviors that the dog finds self reinforcing, but I don’t think we should call it self reinforcing unless the behavior truly doesn’t need outside rewards from us. So if your dog is truly addicted to sitting when you say sit and you still reward him with food, praise, or toys, you can’t say that behavior is self reinforcing because if it were truly self reinforcing you’d never have to give the dog food, toys, or affection for performing that behavior on cue. The dog wouldn’t need or want what you have in order to keep performing that behavior with heart and soul. That’s just my thoughts. But I love you guys podcast, keep em coming.

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How about IGP tracking? Is that done through play too? Honest question.

@@FullQuadrantPodcast unfortunately i don't have the money to pay for his courses so you'll have to ask someone else like Pat Stuart, but Ivan is 2x World Champion in IGP & I know he does teach IGP obedience and IGP protection through play

@@FullQuadrantPodcast this is from his website "Ivan’s unique method requires no food deprivation, no “slavery” or expectations of requiring your dog to perform behaviors to satisfy their primal need to eat."

@nerdydork64 Ivan’s use of toy rewards is WIDELY used by many trainers, including Michale Ellis (who’s also well known for food luring) and Bart & Michal Bellon, as well as the graduates of the NePoPo* program, multiplicators etc. It has a place & just because the subject of this 30 minute podcast is existential food, that doesn’t mean it’s the only thing being used. It’s a subject of discussion because it’s not AS widely used, and is sometimes misused. Toy play & food lures are just as likely to be used poorly & cause problems. That might make some useful subject matter for another time. It’s not WHAT you motivate with that makes it PoPoNe… it’s the application of the motivator. How you use it. THAT’s an interesting discussion. Not who’s “better” based on which type of motivation they use most.

@nerdydork64 Also wanted to add that MOST trainers, (including Ellis & Balabanov) already use existential food reward with puppies. They just don’t talk about it the same way. They’re using the puppies food to train. They’re not going to then feed the puppy a meal on top of that. That’s what most trainers do. They don’t feed a pup a full breakfast & then give more food for training 5 minutes later. Most will tell you not to feed puppies out of a bowl. They just don’t paint a picture where the puppy might miss that food if they’re not interested in taking it. Usually that’s simply because they don’t have to. The puppy already knows that it’s meals come from the handlers hands. Sometimes the one difference that I see with NePoPo* trainers is that we often do VERY short session & the pup can earn an entire meal after one great rep, in a jackpot. That sometimes happens on the FIRST rep. A puppy in the NePoPo* system often earns it’s whole meal MUCH quicker/easier than a dog in Nino or Ellis’ system of luring. NePoPo* trainers often work with food in a bowl in the beginning, not a bait pouch. Some of us even teach our dogs to dive into the bait pouch for a jackpot & forcibly “take” the food. This is MUCH MUCH more rewarding to my personal dog, then just getting out out of a bowl, or my hand.

Appreciate the feedback! Yes! We’re excited for the topics we have coming up!