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That is if you dont consider omega raid as a computer simulation And Endsinger kinda like the infinity stones that work only on beings of that universe And that WoL even on SB loses to RanJit somehow and somehow you gotta run away from the palace om the coup i mean WoL could knock the entire army if he/she could solo Ultima Ye old: Aurora Borealis ? At this timd of the year ? At this time of day ? In this part of the Country ? Localized entirely within your kitchen ?

but when are you asking the real question: how strong are the mandervilles

WoL has literally the thickest plot armor imaginable

If the heart of Sabik predates the Sundering, does that mean that it is sundered and that we could find it another 13 times?

I don’t get why almost all male final fantasy xiv RUclipsrs like to use female characters. This might be politically incorrect, but, man up bro

I feel the need to make a mention of rath games, and their attempts to solo the entirety of ffxiv. As I recall he beat nidhogg alone.

I'm gonna say Only one thing. Big fat 🌮

Im pretty sure the tier 2 scaling come from stuff like surviving Raid attacks like Eden stuff where she blows up a galaxy or something. But personally I prefer mountain level at the very least because of stuff like blocking Susano'o's blade. The rest of the battles can be attributed to the power of friendship so we cant really honestly say they were 1v1 fights.

Goku blows up planet.

i'm not versed at all in the lore of this game but i played trough the story and lost count of the gods i kicked in the ass by the end of heavensward, sooooooooo

Goku becoming his own Ultimate raid ending up becoming friends with WoL 😂

Goku biggest gimmick to win a fight is to nearly die to gain power. WOL wouldn't just spare he would finish the job.

The answer is yes and easily. People think in-game events like raid fights fo not count towards the WoL's overall power buy they are wrong. Take the Endsinger fight for instance, the WoL is on the verge of being wiped out but he too awaken the Dynamis so he can use it. That is not a gameplay element it is the narrative of the story. By that power alone, the WoL can just wipe put anyone out of existence, but in the game, this element is heavily held back by the plot. Since the WoL canonnically has Dynamis, all the feats he does in the in-game fights are no longer "exagerations" and he can perform those. That is pretty much it. People oftenly are gonna downplay FF character feats in-battle in one way or another since they are extremely powerful, the WoL tanks Eden Galaxy buster or can be in the same space as Omega while the fabric of reality is tearing apart. 😂 FF14 WoL is op

I'd like to include, btw, some of the LBIII that are canon in the history('cause WoL actually have these jobs) Dark Knight you literally cut through reality. As a Monk you punch so hard that it causes an actual explosion, as a Dragoon you literally use the power of a dragon's eye, as a Samurai you do the anime shit Not gonna talk about War hitting the ground and doing fuggin' mountains, just to destroy 'em after that. Pld materializing a fortress wall. REAPER DOING REAPER THINGS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT LB

Why are people still comparing others to Goku? Goku is weak as shit btw lol The WoL has stopped entire realities from collapsing, is empowered by the goddess of creation and then defeated said goddess of creation... Stfu with this "Goku" shit 😂

Im telling you, If Goku stands in an open circular arena and has markers for his attacks, he got no chance

Another thing to take into account is the fact that WoL is only eight times rejoined. So a fully rejoined WoL/Azem would be much stronger.. Also, its been established that every Gilgamesh aside from the Type-0 one are the same one.

This is an interesting take. I always saw WoL as Tier high 10, or low 9 at the absolute most on account of the fact the abilities they have are never more than minor explosions. Rather, a lot of the attacks thrown their way are based on Aether, which there's a lot of ways to counter. Such as raising ones fire resistance by attuning certain types of aether. Glamours are just aether too, which we can even glamour our attacks. Nothing says enemies cant either, such as making them look like planets.

Late but WoL is easily without a shadow of a doubt multiversal and is quite agreed upon as the strongest FF protagonist with maybe lightning being debatable stronger. Saying he's town level is probably the most low ball and I'm sorry but stupidest thing you can give a character like this. This is like saying goku is only planet level. I'm actually shocked you even brought up the idea he could be town level. Even a person that doesn't even power scale wouldn't say he's town level. You also have to take in consideration the attacks WoL tanks. His speed, and power and skills and what the things he defeated. Not counting raids is also disingenuous since raids are canon. Omega creating a ex death and saying he's weaker than the real one is also cap as you can't even prove he's not as strong as the real one along with the fact that omega himself is stronger than ex death. Also eden shooting you to a galaxy can be taken as fact due to summons creating pocket universes, this is why people count sephiroth hypernova attack since SE said its basically a real thing thats happen. I could go on but yeah....WoL is easily without a doubt. Multiversal.

I think yier 4 is about right. Could also put Zidane near here too since (with help) he beat Necron. Who is AT MINIMUM tier 4 as well

The echo doesn't grant anti tempering effect, that's granted by the blessing of light for major spoiler reasons.

Flaws I see: Zodiark in his weakened state is still stronger than Hydaelyn and the Endsinger, Elidibus is not only the strongest ascian, but the strongest member of the convocation of 14 (implied on Pandemonium). The strongest characters on FFXIV are Omega, Midgardsormr, Zodiark, Hydaelyn, Athena and Ultima.

Nope. Goku has no telegraphs at his speed

Mind you, the WOL has a feat of strength where they literally block attacks the likes of which are town level threats at least, and can press on with little fatigue. I'd say reasonable, they can be a rank 6-A. They bay not level a town in one swipe, but they could for sure solo the full armed population of a city and a army all lined up and live to tell the tale. Plus if we go full flat out, they were fatigued from fighting the endsinger and fought Zenos at his full strength, expending every last ounce of aether/life energy in their system to do so by fortune of the button teleporting them away. If they arent powerful, they are at least durable with inhuman levels of endurance.

I think the WoL's powerlevel is just heavily depending on which part of the story you are at? A Realm Reborn and Heavensward, you are really not more than.. Well, a strong person with a buff that gives you a slight edge aboth others. In Stormblood, not too much came to it, except the experience you gained from the wars you fought. Still, a very strong person with a strong blessing. Shadowbringers you go rise up to much more, first of all after what you been trough, which surely hardened you, but second of all, you merge with one of the other Azem splinters: Ardbert. This increases your power by an absolute huge lot. With it, you are basicly at 2/13 of your "potential" power, given that there are 11 shards of Azem left that could theoretically merge with you and taking it that every shard is as powerful as we are. In Endwalker, the WoL might be one of the most powerful beings in the whole Final Fantasy multiverse? I mean, a creature that keeps coming up as a sort of "Super-Boss" is Shinryu which also travels dimensions and can bring their end. Zenos which himself is probably one of the most powerful beings ever, without hesitation just absorbed Shinryu. And merged with him, WoL could beat him. I think that alone, ranks WoL very very high up.

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Its canon that the WoL never fails in battle (even if the players do) because of the Echo. The failures we have as players are simply the echo's precognition. Our clears of the fight where we play perfectly are the "canon" clears of those fights.

Omg I've been talking about this theme with my FC recently love the lore of FF14

AI generated sounding ahh (Love the video)

Conventionally the WoL can't defeat Goku or a Saiyan. However it was never stated that we had to defeat Goku in a physical fight. Goku's motivations are what prompt combat to begin with, and although we are weaker in combat, we not only can anticipate moves but we can also access an arsenal of skills that ignore bodily limitations such as BLU. Some of those abilities are so broken that a target's health is depleted automatically by half in some cases, or even DOOM-spelled or petrified. This is if we had to actually fight him. We could try beating him in an eating contest; there's no limit of food the WoL can consume and no cooldown. It's a tall order, but it's a different kind of competition. Goku may not even fight us if we proffer any challenge other than a physical fight, but it's worth a try. If you intrigue him or entice him with a challenge, and he's encouraged from other sides, it may be enough to convince him to try.

think you got the wrong song at 2:26, it sounds like "outcast of the sulphurous seas"

So had a random thought that popped in my head about how strong the WoL became at the end of Endwalker. We kind of ignored this feat because it wasn't assumed to be much, but in retrospect might be far higher than initially believed. Zenos headbutted through Endsingers "world/sun/shield". An object designed to hold the entire Universe of ffxiv in it over time. Zenos used physical force to break through what was supposed to be unbreakable. It was supposed to contain all of ffxiv reality in it. Than the WoL fought and defeated a being that for all intents and purposes had that same power at the end. How big of a feat is Zenos breaking in to that Sun that was supposed to hold all of reality in do time?

The entire concept of power levels and who would beat who is silly. unless theres a massive difference in ability in all aspects, it will always come down to situational/narrative demands. Still I doubt we could beat Goku. lol. Well it depends, goku at what point. Goku began relatively weak and became insanely overpowered with training.

Goku.. probably not. lol. I get the meme though. But I'd say the Endwalker WOL is at least as strong as many of the other greatest mortal godslaying warriors in fantasy.

I think WoL alone is around T7. With Azem gem, maybe T5. With Scion, T2 seems reasonable. I am not sure if WoL is the strongest protagonist as individual in Final Fantasy, but Scions of the seventh dawn should be the most powerful group. Sure, WoL has beaten so many world-ending god/monster, but we never has the power to do the same thing. Maybe only durability is really out of the world. P.S.: looked at who else is in T7...Satoru Gojo. Seem fair to me.

is beating Goku now considered the conservative estimate in cross-franchise power scaling?

Not as disgusting as your mo~ That shit killed me.

I dont know this game as I never got around to play FF14 however I wanted to see your points and I enjoyed it, thx for explaining it as well, I do like the arguement as I think it would be a cool “What IF” but I don’t think WoL would be beating Goku any time soon, Even if DB ends rn and never continues, so when goku turned SSj3 he could be said to be at universal as majin buu was the terror of the universe but I think when he turned SSG is when he really took that title, in the manga it was stated when goku fought beerus, their clashes shook the universe itself, on top of that goku have the ability to break the 4th dimension which is time, we know this because of two cases, 1). Instant transmission, speed is relative and at most u can only travel as fast as light, nothing is faster then that, if we can run as fast as light it would take us over 93 billion light years to reach the end of our universe, goku can instantly teleport anywhere without speed, add that on that SSGSSKx10 Goku was able to slip through time im order to fight Hit which strength this, so goku can slip through time and can be faster then light, not to mention have the power to break the universe is insane (However if u notice I didn’t even mention MUI yet lol)

Win or lose, is that Goku would HAVE FUN fighting the Warrior of Light, and that's actually the most important part.

By her own admission, Hydaelyn says that Zodiark was stronger than her and the Sundering was her only recourse to make him manageable and stop him from consuming everyone. You could argue that her ability to divide was her ace in the hole but I'm sure it wasn't the kind of thing she could do in the heat of battle, the "No longer man will have wings to bear him to Paradise" scene always struck me as a more symbolic scene than live recollection. In a direct fight,, at full power, tall, dark and handsy would have triple-back-handed Mom into the ground.

As a Lalafell, I think I can take on Goku.

I have to say though, I *do* believe Venat is stronger than Emet. Outside of having more experience, Venat tied with the WoL post rejoining Ardbert- the same WoL who’d beaten Zodiark (whose darkness I think should be greater than Emet in his true form). Whereas Emet lost to the WoL who was rejoined too but also heavily exhausted. Although it’s still highly likely that we would’ve lost without the Auracite. That’s how I see it at least. I loved watching this video regardless XIV/FF power scaling is underrated and soooo fun

Wasn’t there something about party finder being made canon or something like that at the end of endwalker’s story?

Short answer no. Long answer. LOL no!

It would be a stalemate. I agree with Tier 5 maybe a Tier 4 but the WoL will scale with the enemy they fight. We see at the end of Endwalker in the last fight with Zenos that when the WoL loses all their health that they simply regain it back and powers up. Similarly Goku and saiyan blood does the same thing in a sense. So it'll just be the final fight with Zenos but replace Zenos with Goku. The WoL would struggle with even base form Goku but Goku would let the WoL level up until they were fighting at Ultra Instinct Goku and then it would just be who gets tired first. Characters like the WoL are too busted for these types of things. They're the literal definition of "I died... BUT I LIVED!" I'm not even saying the WoL is stronger than Goku what I'm saying is if you put the two in a room together that the WoL will come out casting LB3s by themselves and turn into their own raid boss casting Ultima and Zetaflare and other broken FF spells and moves. But WoL still didn't beat Goku. It was a stalemate. WoL is the ultimate Shonen Protag farming spot. An enemy you can't beat but can't beat you either. Ultimate Rival Character

Another thing to consider is that shown in the shadowbringers trailer that the WOL is able to change jobs mid battle so even if goku were to throw powerful attacks his way he could literally switch to a tank job, take the hit with mitigation, switch to a healer to patch himself back up and then switch to a dps job to keep fighting. Not to mention that all tank jobs give him a ability that literally makes him not die to most attacks so as long as goku doesn't try to use something like gts universal spirit bomb or something even stronger the WOL can literally take anything he throws at him

One thing I like is thinking that the azem crystal is part of the wols power, we do use it a lot to get numbers, but in the end we are basically azem, so we're just using our powers to summon 7 more equally powerful beings as us

WOL is pretty strong but even a tank lb 3 I don't think is going to do much against a kamehameha strong enough to destroy a planet. DBZ's power scaling is just too insane for most other franchises to really complete directly for 1 on 1 fights. Meteion is a powerful potentially omnicidal being but that power doesn't from being able to crack planets with sheer destructive power, but a special ability that can wipe out entire civilizations through despair. The End Times were a threat because it was turning people into monsters. The WOL being powerful was important in defeating Meteion but it was also more about not giving into despair, and having an unlikely ally allowing us to reach her, that won the day more so than pure physical power. The only FFXIV characters that could best Goku are the Mandervilles.

Didn't even watch the vid because I don't need to in order to answer: No, the WoL cannot defeat Goku. UI alone makes it an impossible task for the WoL as nothing in their arsenal can even come close to the speed and reflexes of Goku in this form. Hell, WoL couldn't even beat Vegeta in UE, and damn sure not Gohan in Beast Mode. I know those two aren't on topic but it's just a point of reference. WoL IS powerful, don't get me wrong. But the power gap is just WAAAAAAY too big for them to even compete