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Sheffield The Home of Football
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How Scotland Unified The Rules of Football
By 1877 the 2 dominant codes of association football, London's & Sheffield's needed unification. How did that happen? Watch the video to find out as well as to discover how an early Scottish football club was instrumental in engineering football's final UNITY.
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The World's First Inter City Football Match
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Clubs from towns and cities travel to play each other all over the world today but when did football's first ever AWAY DAY take place & which clubs were involved?
Tossed Out - A Unique FA Cup Story
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Only once in history has an FA Cup tie been decided by tossing a coin. The event created 2 world footballing firsts. The first club to go through to the next round by winning a coin toss & the first club to be TOSSED OUT by losing a coin toss. Find out more by watching the video.
The Man Who Gave Football To The World
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How did football become the mass spectator sport we all enjoy today? Meet the man who created the spark that turned association football into the peoples' game - Jack Hunter.
Sheffield The First City of Football - Part 4
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Part 4 of our series showing viewers information about 130 Sheffield football clubs that in-till very recently were lost. In this episode we look at the last 34 lost clubs (97 to 130). We end this video examining how Sheffield has recently started making the world more aware of its historical importance regarding football history.
Sheffield The First City of Football - Part 3
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In Part 3 we cover the next 32 newly discovered Sheffield football clubs that formed between 1857 and mid 1875. This brings us up to 96 clubs documented in Parts 1 to 3 of this mini series. The total number of recently discovered football clubs is 130. These were unearthed by Steve Wood & John Stocks in late 2023. The remaining 34 clubs will be revealed in Part 4.
Sheffield The First City of Football - Part 2
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In December 2023 130 new football clubs were discovered in Sheffield that had existed between 1857 and 1875. This new discovery seals Sheffield's title as the world's first city of football having formed nearly 50% of all the organised clubs that had ever existed at that point in history. Part 2 shows you the next 32 of these new discoveries.
Sheffield The First City of Football - Part 1
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In December 2023 130 new football clubs were discovered in Sheffield that had existed between 1857 and 1875. This new discovery seals Sheffield's title as the world's first city of football having formed nearly 50% of all the organised clubs that had ever existed at that point in history. Part 1 shows you 32 of these new discoveries.
Did Scotland Invent Football?
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Was Queens Park FC's passing game, and knowledge of this game spread by Scottish Professors, the true origins go our modern game of association football? Did Scotland invent football? If you visit Glasgow please consider booking a place one of the fantastic Glasgow Football Tours. Here are all their socials: Facebook & Instagram is @GlasgowFootballTour Twiiter/X is @GLAfootballtour Website is w...
Who Invented Football? - Part 3 Sheffield? London? Cambridge? - Who had the most influence?
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The final third video in our mini series trying to determine who invented modern football. Who had the most influence on the game we now have today? To watch Parts 1 & 2 please copy the links below: Part 1 - ruclips.net/video/ZbMEM-afDm8/видео.html Part 2 - ruclips.net/video/Qf6jYgzcSxE/видео.html
Who Invented Football? - Part 2 The Cambridge Club?
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How much influence on the invention of association football did Cambridge University Association Football Club have? When did they form? Are they older than Sheffield FC?
Who Invented Football? - Part 1 The Cambridge Influence
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There were 3 main influences on the development of modern association football. This video examines one of those influences, Cambridge & it's footballers. The Penistone Church FC book can be purchased at: pcfcbook.sumupstore.com Note: John Marsh played for Mackenzie against Norfolk in the 9th March 1867 Youdan Cup 2nd place play-off match at Bramall Lane (not for Norfolk).
The Real History of Football - 13. Sheffield is the Home of Football
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This is the final video in the series, The Real History of Football, Sheffield the Home of Football. Please watch, enjoy, learn and share.
The Real History of Football - 12. The Birth Place of Association Football Part 2
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In Part 1 we looked at 15 of Sheffield's Pre 1875 Association Football Clubs. By 1875 Sheffield had at least 49 of 95 organised clubs that had ever existed anywhere on the planet. This video looks at the remaining 14 then summaries why Sheffield gave birth to Association Football
The Real History of Football - 11. The Birth Place of Association Football Part 1
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In 1875, Sheffield, England had 49 out of just 95 clubs that had formed in the world. In the second period of early football development Sheffield was at that point still the centre of association footballing activity in the world. This is because it was the birth place of association football.
The Real History of Football - 10. What is a Football Club? (3 lost grounds, 4 early clubs)
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The Real History of Football - 10. What is a Football Club? (3 lost grounds, 4 early clubs)
The Real History of Football - 9. More About Some of the World's Earliest Football Clubs
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The Real History of Football - 9. More About Some of the World's Earliest Football Clubs
The Real History of Football - 8. The World's Oldest Hotel & Pub Football Clubs
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The Real History of Football - 8. The World's Oldest Hotel & Pub Football Clubs
The Real History of Football - 7. Where is the Home of Football?
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The Real History of Football - 7. Where is the Home of Football?
The Real History of Football - 6. The World's First & Oldest Football Club
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The Real History of Football - 6. The World's First & Oldest Football Club
The Real History of Football - 5. The World's Oldest Football Cups
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The Real History of Football - 5. The World's Oldest Football Cups
The Real History of Football - 4. The World's First Football Culture
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The Real History of Football - 4. The World's First Football Culture
The Real History of Football - 3. The World's Second Oldest Football Club - Hallam FC
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The Real History of Football - 3. The World's Second Oldest Football Club - Hallam FC
The Real History of Football - 2. The World's First Association Football Club Rules
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The Real History of Football - 2. The World's First Association Football Club Rules
The Real History of Football - 1. Introduction - Why am I making these videos?
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The Real History of Football - 1. Introduction - Why am I making these videos?
Sheffield working class also used to working as teams because nature of work, also quite small and football in Derbyshire goes back centuries too.
Great video Steve thanks for playing keepie up with our football history !
Jeremy Tym, I hear he is an excellent player!!!!
Great film - but the chap in the mugshot isn’t Jack!
What makes you say that Paul?
Could be wrong but I thought Jack had a moustache for most of his adult life and it doesn’t seem to be his facial features. I’ll have a better look. Jack is a relative of mine and good luck to the ongoing push to erect a proper grave marker - if you need any help I’d be happy to assist.
@@PaulRickett-l7b His facial features did alter as he got older. The moustache wasn't always there.
No it isn't a guy in Edinburgh wrote rules a good 10 years before Sheffield and evidence of a form of football in existece a good couple of hundred years before in Scotland. Also, Scotland created the modern passing game which is the football we play today and had to sav e football as the English individualist dribling game that was boring people to death was dying on its arse. The 'Scots Professors' team are to be thanked for the game we play today, also, the captain Andrew Watson was the first black player anywhere internationally and in the game entirely, its took England a good 90 years to field there first, Viv Anderson. Shameful.
Hi Caveman, I think you might need to watch more of my videos (especially the one about Did Scotland Invent Football). To take your points in order 1) John Hope's Edinburgh football club and rules did not influence modern football or have anything to do with the modern game. His game with a ball was very different to what later emerged. 2) There is evidence of games with a ball all over the world dating back 1000's of years but none are the game of association football. 3) The modern passing game stated in Sheffield in 1861. This has been academically proven with original sources so the Scottish claims they invented passing in the 1870's needs to stop. They simply copied Sheffield. London was a dribbling game, Sheffield's was passing. 4) The concept of the Scottish Professors is a myth. Players from other places also travelled to spread the game as well as being paid. Jack Hunter for example who led Blackburn Olympic to the 1883 FA Cup victory over Old Etonians.
NOPE, just typical Scoatish BS claiming they invented/discovered things WHICH THEY DIDN'T actually.
The worlds oldest professional football club Notts County were founded in 1862, yes there is a plaque on the George Hotel stating that Officers and Committee were elected at a meeting in 7th December 1864, but we were founded in 1862.
Hi Jimmy, the evidence for late 1862 published on the clubs web site isn't a Nottinghamshire match. It did take place at the Cremorne Gardens but not in Nottingham. You will find exactly the same match report with exactly the same individuals and wording for a game played out of Nottingham between Milton & MacKenzie. The Nottingham Journal report is an error. I think it's highly likely the local volunteers & others were playing informal matches in Nottingham (as they did in other towns) pre Dec 1864 but the forming of the club date is I believe based on the historical evidence available, 7th Dec 1864. This is also the date on the plaque. Happy to send you the original match report. Notts are still the oldest league club since Wrexham's 1864 is also highly disputable as is Stoke's 1863 date. Forest are the second oldest.
I'm a Norfolk parker, born there in 1967, never knew anything about Norfolk fc...fascinating. There was and still is, 2 pitches at the bottom end, I played on them for Norfolk Park jnrs back in the 70s.
Much more about all the clubs that played at Norfolk Park & The Farm John in the other videos and regularly on the following Facebook page: facebook.com/groups/1194176927380425
So happy that more recognition is being given. It was long overdue. I would also like to personally thank you Stephen for all the work and research you have done. It's research done right! A fellow historian told me a long time ago to "follow the evidence, not the story", which is precisely what you have done. That's not to say that one should totally disregard the story, because stories are often an important stepping stone or launch pad. However, until the stories can be substantiated in some way or another they should always be considered with a grain of salt. Again, thank you for all your work.
Thanks for the support and yes I agree historical claims should be backup with original source evidence.
So these are all established clubs under the criteria that you have previously indicated in your past videos? I ask because I think I have come across some information on the Wingfield & Rowbotham FC in my own - completely unrelated - historical investigations in the past. I say "unrelated" because I've come from a toolmaker's background and Wingfield & Rowbotham are one of the manufacturers I have extensively written about as a historian on woodworking tools (primarily hand planes). I may have come across other football related information but I've always put it to the side as it has not been my main focus. I'll go back through some of my notes and see if I can find anything. This will take some time of course, so don't expect anything too soon.
Hi, great you may have some info on these clubs we have not yet seen. Please drop a comment if you have and happy to make contact by email.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Sure. It would be good to have a contact email anyway. I should add that if you ever do another walkaround video near John Steet can you go to the other end and show some of the sites between Hill Street and Arley Street on the opposite side? This is where the Northern Tool Works of Turner, Naylor and Co. (various names) were located, before being bulldozed in 1963. I published a book on this company in 2013 but I've never actually visited it as, at the time, I was living in Melbourne, Australia. I did, however, have a "man on the ground" who helped me immensely with a lot of the research and information I needed but this did not include a virtual tour of the area. I've been absolutely loving your walkarounds and seeing other places that I've only ever read about or seen pictures of. It's been absolutely fascinating. Only if you're in the area, mind you. No need for a special trip. Rather than typing out my email address here, you can just get in touch with me through the contact form on handplane dot com or the contact form on Richard E. Grant's official website. Either one works fine for me. I should add that I don't check emails every day (or even every week) so there will be a delay.
@@Fretless108 I can't get the form to work??
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Working now. A recent update broke it but it seems to be fine now.
The modern passing game we now know definitely was invented by Scots
How do we know that Roland? Definitely is a very definite word.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball it definitely is isn't it 😁
@@rolandsausage Hi, just wondered if you had any evidence. There does exist a lot of original source evidence showing that football in Sheffield was a passing game and an expansive formational game from at least the early 1860's. This indicates that passing in the sport of association football didn't start in Scotland as you seem to suggest.
@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball third lanark had 3 grounds the first at govanhill park the second at boyd street cathcart road then hampden park the new catkin park you were in
@@wboyle9721 Yes I going to visit them in a few weeks time. Many thanks!!
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I'm sorry to say but if you actually do some research you'll. Find out. Ancient china. Invented football, It's amazing the things you can learn by actually researching. Isn't it, And before anybody starts. I did a video about it ancient china invented football it's called cuju
Hi, China may have invented a game with a ball but I'm afraid it wasn't association football.
There’s no evidence that any form Sheffield came up to Scotland to introduce the passing game. There are several examples of Scots going to England to play their passing game though. So to say that it was Sheffield that invented the passing game is one hell of a straw man argument.
Passing and formations started to develop in Sheffield football during the 1860's Lewis. The same way of playing the game may have developed separately in Glasgow a few years later but people did travel between the 2 cities during this period so the circumstantial evidence suggests the knowledge got transferred by rail. Either way, passing in modern association football started in Sheffield first from 1861 onwards. I actually put some of the evidence in the video for you to see so why the debate?
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball I did watch the video it was really good I don’t remember you mentioning people from Sheffield coming up to Glasgow to teach the passing game. But I could obviously be wrong.
@@lewismcdonald9691 No I didn't Lewis. I do however list 4 sources referencing passing in Sheffield during the 1860's. I have about 50 of these all pre passing references for Glasgow if you need more convincing? As I said, passing may have evolved separately in both locations but it seems unlikely considering the communications that were available at the time.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball But you have no evidence of how the passing game in Sheffield got to Glasgow. Where as there is evidence in your video of Scottish footballers brought passing to lots of areas in England and thought the world actually.
@@lewismcdonald9691 Well Lewis yes as there is a lot of evidence that the passing game from Sheffield went to places like Nottingham, Lincoln, Leeds, Manchester, Blackburn etc mostly before the mid 1870's. The way these players & teams travelled? The railways!
A lot of Scots started clubs in England, clubs including Aston Villa and Arsenal etal
Whether that is altogether relevant is open to debate, but assuming it is, you are only underlining the fact that the game was invented in England.
As a Scot, I don’t believe WE invented football. But we did take it worldwide.
Ah, is that why Juventus wear Notts County colours? Because Scotland? People from all over Britain took the game worldwide.
Scotland 5 England 1
Everyone knows Scotland invented football as well as everything else in the modern world.
BS, just typical Scoatish chauvinism/narcissism/conceit.
Er no you didn't do either of them things.
YES of course
Australian rules football is the best game in the whole f****** world.😅 You don't believe and understand get the f*** out
Blah blah blah blah -Aussie rules football-what started Avon before that-it was made official around about the same time-you should know and understand it started 10 years before that+170 years later-it has become the greatest game in the world-it's schitz all over sucker and would bury it 10 ft deep-like get the f*** out
Hi Brad, the first "kickabouts" for Sheffield football date to at least 1855, official club 1857 & rules 1858. Aussie rules (a different game to association football) held unofficial "kickabouts" in 1858 & published rules in 1859 so came after "soccer". I believe there is also a link to a Creswick behind both?
100% Scotland invented football everyone in world football knows it. The first football is in Stirling castle and the clans were playing it before Sheffield was even thought of.
OK but they weren't playing association football were they? They might have been kicking a ball about in Stirling or the Scottish hills but the Chinese did that 3000 years ago so did they invent football? Do you see my point?
You also forgot to mention that the oldest football in the world is in Stirling castle, It was used by Mary queen of Scot’s in the 16th century
Hi Richard yes & others have mentioned it if you look at the comments but thanks.
You don’t need a club to play the game. You need rules and participation. Therefore Cambridge takes the top spot
Well you do need to be a club to take the tile of oldest "CLUB" Adam (sorry to disagree). I do agree with you about the rules but the oldest modern association rules have their origins in the Sheffield 1858 to 1877 rules which we all still play by and not the Cambridge 1856 to 1863 rules which were considered, had some but "little" impact during the 4th FA 1863 meeting. Hope that makes sense? As for participation, between 1855 & 1875 half the association football on the planet was being played in Sheffield.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball I completely agree that Sheffield has the oldest club. But the way I was taught, the camb rules were the starting point/ foundation of what modern rules evolved from. The museum in Manchester describes this narrative too. There again, I have to admit that I’m very biased as I live in Cambridge! Either way, football originated in England and this is something we will definitely both agree on. It seems that you have done your research. I am fascinated by this topic
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball I’m just looking at a photo I took whilst at the museum. It says ebeneezer cobb morley used the original 13 rules written in Cambridge to formulate the first association football rules.
@@adam_p99 Hi Adam, if you are interested very happy to share info. My direct email for any questions you (or anybody) wants to ask is cradleyard@hotmail.com. Please ask!
@@adam_p99 Hi again Adam, What can I say it's just wrong. I am at the museum on Thursday this week and will look out for that error. Things take time to change I guess.
Just looked up the first season of the football league. No mention of Sheffield. How many touch downs did Sheffield score. The so called Sheffield rules seem to be a form of rugby.
Hi Maurice, yes Sheffield Rules did have a rouge scoring system but a match played in Sheffield in the very earliest days of football would have looked very similar to a match played today other thanks this. The game played in London was actually more like "rugby with feet" in the first 20 years of the game. The game in Sheffield was a passing and formational tactical game from as early as definately 1865 & likely earlier. All to be very soon published in an academic paper for analysis.
And Mary queen of Scotland had no option but to remain in England because her sycopqhathic sociopath of a virgin cousin had her in prison . She couldn’t escape if she wanted to and then later had her executed. Wasn’t exactly her choice was it ?
Football in Scotland Football was played in Scotland in the early Middle Ages. Scotland seems to be the first country in the world to encourage women to play football. In the 18th century football was linked to local marriage customs in the Highlands. Single women would play football games against married women. Single men would watch these games and use the evidence of their footballing ability to help them select prospective brides. Charles W. Alcock, the secretary of the Football Association, arranged the first international football game to be played on the 30th November, 1872. Alcock took a team of English born players to play against a team from Scotland. The match, played in Glasgow, ended in a 0-0 draw. The main objective was to publicize the game of football in Scotland. It had the desired effect and the following year the Scottish Football Association was formed and the England-Scotland match became an annual fixture. Initially, the Scottish Football Association comprised of eight clubs, 3rd Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers, Clydesdale, Dumbreck, Eastern, Granville, Kilmarnock, Queen's Park and Vale of Leven. The SFA established a challenge cup and this was won by Queen's Park in its first year. Queen's Park, who dominated early Scottish football, also won it for the next two years.
Yes Diane but all this doesn't mean that modern association football was invented in Scotland.
Royal Engineers/Cambridge UNI team are responsible for modern Football, Scoatish just typically rewriting history to claim achievements of others.
Mary queen of Scotland had the first ever football
The oldest known football was found in her bed chamber at Stirling Castle Dianel but she is unlikely to have played modern association football with it despite later spending most of her life in Sheffield.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball with her having the first ever football could the sport have originated in France 🇫🇷 since that’s where she was sent as a little girl to grow up and she did marrie king Frances of France
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball she didn’t spend her life in Sheffield she was imprisoned she was kept locked away before finally executed
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Several times Mary had to be moved to places of greater safety and stricter control. On 28 November 1570 she was taken to the Earl of Shrewsbury's castle at Tutbury, where, apart from a few breaks at Chatsworth and Buxton, and more regular visits to Sheffield and the Manor House, she remained for 14 years. She grew in France after being put to France 🇫🇷 by her father that was Scottish 🏴 she was placed in France 🇫🇷 to protect her from the English 🏴 she arrived back to her homeland Scotland after her husband passed away. She was there to protect Scotland from the English 🏴 married her husband died in a fire 🔥 she received the blame for his death. She had a boy who later became king of England 🏴 and of Scotland. 🏴 that’s how the first ever butchers apron developed. Elizabeth took Mary she was frightened of Mary becoming the new queen of England 🏴 and Scotland 🏴. She was taken and imprisoned deceived to believe she was going to be safe. England just take everything that Scotland 🏴 created invented or discovered then call it British. 🇬🇧 then try and take that off Scotland like the oil and gas and move the goalposts to make out they did it instead. Like the royal family that are not English but descendant’s of Scotland’s royals and European royals. The English-just receive the profits . Several times Mary had to be moved to places of greater safety and stricter control. On 28 November 1570 she was taken to the Earl of Shrewsbury's castle at Tutbury, where, apart from a few breaks at Chatsworth and Buxton, and more regular visits to Sheffield and the Manor House, she remained for 14 years.
@@DianeLittle-dd6ej I think that's a stretch Diane. A game with a ball maybe but not what we call association football. She spent 15 years in Sheffield but the game as we know it didn't start there intill 1855 at the earliest.
It was a Scotsman who started the Football League. William McGregor
It was. But that wasn't when modern association football was invented Maurice.
Relevance? In any event, he invented it IN ENGLAND, so it's still a structure of football being invented in England.
Scotland also created Ice Hockey, a far better sport.
Forget all this passing and tactical criteria, I never based it off of that as I agree it’s not really relevant, I always based it off of the simple fact before any official FA or rules were ever formed there were games played in Glasgow& WOS that we would now all recognise as football… that’s in my opinion the invention claim, the fact it was spread and later officially made into rules and an FA in England first might mean the credit goes elsewhere on paper but the roots started in Scotland
IT WAS A NEW GAME from an English perspective!!!!! Jesus read a bit further than your English bias will you. The English did not pass - end of discussion. They played 1 guy on the ball that ran towards the opposition surrounded by a protective shield of players. They protected the ball and player till they got to the opposite end. It was all about ego. The English (not short on ego) would not like to be seen to loose face and do something as cowardly as pass the ball!! The Scots however were a far more pragmatic bunch and despite being much smaller and lighter, showed the English that their game was nowhere near good enough. Until the English adopted (and bought) the Scottish style of play, we beat you fairly easily. Just had a thought, it never occurred to me - is Sheffield in England? Oh and.... Football is never coming home because Scotland have no chance of winning either tournament :)
Hi, if you send me your email I will pass on all the references I have to show that football in Sheffield in at least 1865 (likely earlier) was a passing game & not a 'pack / dribbling' style played by London clubs in the way you describe in your comment. Happy to pass on the historical data for you to analyse yourself. Are you open to that?
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Sheffield is pretty close to Scotland so obviously you were influenced by the game here.
The Scottish invented everything… just ask them.
Well, the Scotts do punch above their weight regarding inventing things I have to admit that but modern association football shouldn't be on the list.
No they didn't.
Your arse that was the case. Sheffield discovered the passing game?! You saft in the head? The Scots had invented the passing game years ago.
Happy to send you all the multiple historical evidence we have. Just ask please. Passing originated in the modern game in Sheffield as early as 1865 and likely 1861. The first actual reference to named players passing a ball in Scottish football I have found is 1874 in a match played against Sheffield at Bramall Lane in Sheffield during the second half. If you have anything different please let me know.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Yes, I am sure you could - remarkable what you can buy on the internet.
@@Theagchm Up to you they are original sources.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball As are all the ones you can get online. I mean have you watched either of the Sheffield clubs... passing game, a total mystery to them, as is playing anything remotely close to football.
First and foremost, I am a Working Class Northerner in Liverpool Merseyside. Great educational video, here is where I disagree with you ... what you are explaining to us is this. You are giving us one the origins of where football evolved ... and it is something to be proud of! I love Sheffield and its people United or Wednesday! However here is something "I Hate" to state (given my class) yet we have to recognize the Southeast University's of harrow and Eaton along with The Football Association establishing itself in London and staying there was the other origin of Football ... they were The Upper Class . I consider "The Home" as England across our country and Wembley for our National Team, along with The F.A. Cup Finals We also have to recognize that Scotland embraced Football in the early formative years as well.
Hi Dave, I don't know where to start with this one other than the view you express is now very much outdated I'm afraid. If you are looking at the history of modern organised association football then it comes from Sheffield. A game being played in Sheffield as early as 1865 will have looked very much like a modern game.The London game didn't as it was a dribbling game purely and not widely played. 188 clubs existed in Sheffield when only 400 existed in the whole world (pre mid 1875). We know now this due to very recent research. Many places contributed to the game including Scotland but the organised modern version of association football, club, rules, tournaments, the way the game is played through tactics and formations etc.. that all comes from Sheffield. I am also working class and from Bolton.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball In reply to what you have said, you have Origins as does The South of England. Yet The Established "Home" is the National Stadium of Wembley and The English Football Association both are situated in London the capital of England ... That is where The Football "Establishment" is today! I have always said this "We in England (that enfranchises your history) established The World Game of Football, and its "The Home" Let me give you an analogy of "my home" I spent the first 27 of my life living in an area of Liverpool called Childwall Valley. I have have spent the last 32 years in another part of Liverpool called Wavertree ... I consider myself a Wavertree resident in Liverpool, I may have had "origins" in Childwall Valley (now called Childwall) But I have "Established" most of my life in Wavertree "in Liverpool"
@@merseydave1 Hi Dave, good point but where would you put the home of The Beatles? Or Shakespeare? Or Golf? Forgot to say I am happy to send you any references I have, just ask. Enjoy the other videos.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball I am replying to you without any malice, In regard to your response to me, I would agree. However the Football Authorities in the Sheffield (back then) did not try to expand across the Nation ... Sadly those Upper Class twites did, and set up a National Football Association in London!.
@@merseydave1 Of course no malice Dave but let me explain. The world's first inter city match was in Jan 1865 when Sheffield FC went to play the just formed (8th Dec 1864 - not 1862) Notts team. The railways then spread the game out to Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, the West Midlands, Lancashire & Scotland (yes even Scotland was connected to Sheffield by rail). At Sheffield's suggestion Sheffield teams played regularly in London also to help keep the association game alive there. 6 clubs existed in London in 1867, nearly 200 clubs played regularly in Sheffield pre 1875. The most significant Sheffield export was Jack Hunter in 1882. He was forced out of Sheffield to join Blackburn Olympic. He took Sheffield's tactical passing game over the hills to transform BO and win the 1883 FA Cup final. Most historians regard this as the biggest upset in the game and the start of the popular game. Netflix made a series about it called the English Game but replaced Hunter with Fergus Suter to promote the notion that modern football comes from north of the border (wrong!). Association football was made in Sheffield and then it spread around the country and beyond. Most clubs played Sheffield Rules in there first 20 years of the game not London FA rules. Regarding the FA, it wasn't national in it's first 10 years and did nothing to 'spread' the game infill 1871 with the introduction of the FA cup. Even then it strongly resisted opening up the game to the masses, everything Sheffield managed to do in time. This is all in my videos.
To Conclude you are explaining city and town football bodies before The English National Football Association
Yes Dave because modern football has its roots not in the FA but it largely comes from the organised game played in Sheffield from 1855 unofficially, then 1857 officially with its formal rules in 1858. The Sheffield game quickly evolved into a passing and formations game played across the pitch, not basically rugby with feet which is what the FA game was in the 1860's. From the Sheffield game you get corners, throw-ins, free kicks, passing, heading, crossbar, 11 a side, 90 mins, ball size, the referee, penalties, tournaments, trophies, formational play etc.. Much of this is research done after that video was made and we are about to publish an academic paper through Sheffield University showing all the sources you need to look for. Don't forget, we still play by Sheffield rules today not just FA rules.
Everyone can argue but onw thing is sure scotland is the heartland of the game. The whole of England dose not revolve around football but scotland dose the whole county the culture in every class is centered in the game.
It means so much to Scotland that they've let the same two teams win the top tier of their league for the past 38 years and not give a shit about the rest!
@@tomdonler2363 It’s also worth noting the teams that win year on year ad nauseum don’t even represent the country.
Scotland invented football but baddiel and skinner created a song saying England did ... Bloody typical.
Modern association football, the formational passing game the world loves & plays today comes from Sheffield user. Not England or Scotland however Sheffield is in England if you want to be "picky". If you play, you are playing Sheffield rules still today, crossbar, corners, throw ins, free kicks, penalties, referees, heading, formations, passing of various forms, tournaments, trophies, 11 a side, 90 mins, ball size, floodlights, etc.. all from Sheffield rules football as early as 9th October 1858. This is all evidenced and documented historically so shouldn't really be challenged other than by new solid historical evidence. Drama's like The English Game are great to view, BBC documentaries about Scottish football make feel good viewing north of the border but you cannot argue with solid historical evidence. Don't believe the HYPE!!
Whoever invented the modern game, Scotland or England, ITS NEVER COMING HOME, not in our lifetimes! Peace!
It;s home is Sheffield Corby. Come and visit. We have walking tours, new blue plaques, coming statues and an a free to enter exhibition on at the Town hall all summer. It's not going anywhere.
The first 15 internationals between Scotland and England, aka The Auld Enemy, the skill, tactics and artistry of the Scottish players were such that England only won twice, and they were both played at home. For a long time the Scottish game was copied, but not matched! Taken from the book I have: "100 years of Scottish Football" by John Rafferty 1973
I have a mountain of very recent research Corby that shows this is incorrect I'm afraid. Much more so since I made this video working alongside other historians. We have published some of our findings recently at The International Football Historians Conference this year and are preparing an academic paper to publish all our current up to date findings. It's nothing to do with the results of international games. If you went back in time to witness Sheffield football in the mid 1860's (likely as early as at least 1861) you would see a game of formations, passing, through balls, long balls, crosses, balls wide, short passing .. in short, modern football. We know this form of the game influenced other towns & regions in the north of England, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire for example so it either influenced football in Glasgow or football in Glasgow developed in a similar way but 10 years later than in Sheffield. Trains did exist then. Sheffield football had real impact. You play by Sheffield rules today and individuals like Jack Hunter led clubs like Blackburn Olympic to real historical success using Sheffield football tactics. Jack Hunter NOT Fergus Suter!
Looking into this, it seems there are reports of several earlier 'Cambridge rules' as well that were never written down since the 1830s. It seems to me given this that each group of students were passing down a set of agreed compromise rules over a period of 20-30 years which was for informal games and in no way a 'club'. I guess what's more interesting is why almost around the same time a bunch of sports clubs were suddenly formed or changing their interest to football around the late 1850s and early 1860s in Sheffield and then London. I mean there were cricketing and rowing clubs around before this but football wasn't considered a 'club game', it's almost as if someone needed to put the idea into people's head that it could be one before everyone started to copy it. Also I remember my grandad saying he would play football and cricket as a boy, the two were closely tied together in different seasons. And actually many early footballers, even until the mid-20th century had a foot in both camps. This seemed strange to me but given how the earliest sporting clubs developed it makes perfect sense.
Hi, yes although we have no actual copies of rules it does seem that students met at Cambridge Uni probably at the start of each winter to discuss informally the code they would prefer to play by during the coming months. As you say, this was informal despite formal sport existing around them such as cricket, athletics and boating. There was an organised football club in Edinburgh in the 1820's but it wasn't in anyway connected to the development of the sport of association football. Two people did start to formalise football in 1857 in Sheffield and their inspiration did lead onto the development of the mass sports we now call association football. Creswick & Prest who establish Sheffield FC. They formed Sheffield FC from a cricket club so knew how to organise sport. Most early Sheffield football clubs came from cricket clubs so had the disciplines of structure, rules, a captain, tactics, formations etc.. This is why and how modern football emerged from Sheffield the first city of football. Later videos will add more detail for you, especially the 'Who invented football' and later videos & after that since they include some very recent research material.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball out of interest, do you think the culture of independent organised sport for the general population and not just the elite that developed in Yorkshire at this time in association football was also part of the reason why rugby clubs in Yorkshire ended up splitting off and forming the separate code of rugby league from the public school dominated rugby union?
@@forthrightgambitia1032 Good point. Professionalism of any kind (generally taking expenses initially) in association football certainly started in Sheffield. The first footballers to travel to take benefit from the game also came from other cities to Sheffield (1876). If the local Sheffield FA in the late 1870's had not been so reluctant to embrace professionalism then Sheffield would have been where later migrant players such as Fergus Suter would have gone to & not East Lancs. Also, Wednesday would have been the first working class FA cup winners not Blackburn Olympic. I feel the same pressures existed in rugby 10 years later which caused the split you refer to and the 2 cases do have similarities.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball So I've watched more videos are also read up more on the FA's 1863 rules as well as watching videos of the Eton field game. It seems to me that you are right that the orginal FA rules were far closer in mechanics and spirt to the Eton rules and it was really only the innovations of the Sheffield form of the game that were introduced that made it far more a fluid sport of skill and finesse accessible to everyone than the public school brawl style games that allowed the game to explode in the 1870s and especially 1880s.
@@forthrightgambitia1032 Yes. Along with a couple of other historians in Sheffield we have managed to find multiple references all demonstrating that Sheffield football from as early as th 1860's was a game based on formations and various passing tactics, as early as at least 1865 and likely as early as 1861. If you watched football in Sheffield (and most of it was played in the town pre 1875) then it would have looked very close to the game we play today. We have given a talk about this at the International Football History Conference this year and are very soon to publish an academic paper to show all the references we currently have.
One of the things about football that I have never really properly seen explained about the 'pre-history' of football (and rugby) was the relation between village 'mob' football and the codified rules that developed in the public schools and then spread out. Were the public schools copying and codifying the folk football traditions to play games on a smaller scale from the 16th/17th century? Or were they completely independent developments? I guess the reality is that football was considered a bit of a lark and not a serious matter then, so no one wrote it down. Which means we probably never will really know. But a lot of popular histories just seem to jump from one to the other and assume they were related. Kind of similar how you mention the jump from a bunch of disparate public school rules to full association football is just presented as 'magically' happening around the mid-19th century.
Great question! It's probably an area of research for someone but from what we know so far I think it's difficult to completely separate traditional / folk games with a ball from other games with a ball that were evolving in public schools & universities (particularly in the early 1800's). In short, we have enjoyed playing games with a ball for thousands of years that's clear. What is important, is to understand that the particular game with a ball called association football & it's rules did have some influence from Eton / Cambridge football games but also significant influence from football played in Sheffield especially between the years of 1863 and 1877.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball That's true but I guess some of the confusion comes from the fact that the word 'football' is quite old (I believe attested to the 13th century) and had a very vague meaning. We are so used to the concept of codified sports in the modern world we find it hard to understand that words related to sporting activity were used much more generically back in the past... we associate informal rules and sports more with children's play now and not with adult communal activity. This is true of the pre-history of cricket, golf, boxing and so on as well from what I understand. I would agree association football is definitely very distinct from other forms of football that ended up codified. Rugby, Aussie rules, American rules, Eton field game etc. I would say all have far more in common than association football and it does seem to me the Sheffield Rules played a pivotal rule in that as you are pointing out. It is true that the 'official' histories tend to relegate Sheffield rules to a side show, where they demonstrated how to form the infrastucture of clubs and games as well as introducing a few rules like throw-ins and offside but were a secondary force compared to the 1863 FA meeting in London and hopefully these videos will be a corrective.
You seem rattled mate.
Hi John, yes very rattled. I don't understand why the history of association football seems to have so many intelligent people who study it but so many misconceptions and basically "lies" surrounding it when there is now so much evidence to look at to understand how our modern game came into being. Just yesterday there was an article in the Daily Mail titled "Actually, we Scots invented football". In January this year the BBC spent a lot of tax payers money producing a documentary about how association football originated in Scotland and a couple of years ago Netflix produced The English Game that has convinced a whole town (Blackburn) to spent money renovating & celebrating the wrong grave in it's cemetery. All deliberate inaccuracies that are attempting to rewrite history in favour of one country and city, specifically Glasgow.
Scoatish are the ones rattled, why are they so desperate to rewrite history and claim credit for others achievements as they typically do eh.
No. England did. It’s an indisputable FACT!
Exactly the Scots have watched Braveheart too much and basically become facts to them 😆
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Great video! I didn't know anything about Hunter! But hey, did you know the Guarani indigenous people played a game called Mangapy, very similar to football, before contact with the europeans?
Hi Wallace - sounds interesting. Do you know the rules?
Another really interesting presentation - well done Steve Wood: such a sad end to a great man...!! 😥💕
Maybe we can take Sheffield over to Blackburn to fill in all those holes Sue?
Wonderful. Thank you for all the research. Loved that.
Your welcome!!
The modern rules are held at Aberdeen University invented by Scots in the 16th century, including throw ins and corner kicks, while in England they carried the ball in their hands. England invented Rugby. King James V banned the playing of football to stop the Scots from neglecting archery practice.
The only problem with this claim unfortunately is there is no evidence that anything that happened anywhere in the world prior to the mid 1850's influenced how the modern rules of the game came to be formed other than the influence that came from places like Cambridge, London & Sheffield. If there is influence from Scotland on how the modern rules of association football emerged I would to see it please. China played a game with a round ball thousands of years ago but there is no evidence this directly influenced the rules of modern football. I hope that makes sense? Thanks for the comment.
@@SheffieldTheHomeofFootball Aberdeen University Library has the historical document that proves the rules of the modern game were invented in Scotland. Next you’ll be claiming that golf was also invented by an Englishman and that the Scots did not give birth to William Wallace who was the real legendary Robin Hood and King Arthur written of in the 7th century Scottish chronicles . Is it any wonder that we get pissed off with Englands false claims.
@@AnthonyCooper-f8t Dutch invented GOLF/KOLF Scoatish just claimed credit for it, Royal Engineers/Cambridge UNI are the inventors of Association Football, Scoatish typically rewriting history to claim credit for others achievements.
@ What year did the Dutch , part of the Spanish Empire, invent Golf. You must give me a date.
@@AnthonyCooper-f8t 1200's at earliest, but well established in early 18th century.
The Foot Ball Club of Edinburgh was founded as the first club to play any type of organized football.
Yes that is correct but it was't association football or anything that had any influence on association footballs development. You might as well claim the 1824 Edinburgh club was the inspiration for rugby, Australian Rules, US football, Canadian football, hockey, Irish rules etc.. To do so would be ridiculous so why do it for association football?