"And I'm tired of being the captain of the team that can't shoot straight!" "No! If I'm going to have you sit through this preposterous exercise, we're gonna get the names of the damn Commandments right!" (And then proceeds to also get the Commandment wrong.) "Honor thy Father... is the 3rd Commandment!" (No, it's the 5th Toby) "There's literally no one in the world I don't hate right now." "This is my day of jubilee, and you are not going to ruin it by 'what', Bonnie?!" - "Tempting fate." - "BY TEMPTING FATE!" "But I bet all the money in my pockets, against all the money in your pockets, that it was LEO!!! WHO NO ONE ELECTED!" "Your father used to hit you, Mr. President?!" "We changed time zones... what, people just-just-just reset their watch or something?!" And many, many more.
At around 1:33 Toby tells Will "well get one!!!" It reminds me alot of Sam telling Ainsley "well, we play with live ammo around here" Toby and Sam are twk seasoned white house staffers. The white house deals with a a lot of live issues at any given time. Which slides down to staffers dealing 90-100 issues of various degree of importance from seating arrangements at a simple leadership breakfast to finalizing details on state dinners and foreign state visits to dozens of life and death situations in the situation room. The white house is not a room for half a thing and debating for the sake of contrarianess. If you feel something needs to be done. Get the ball rolling and figure out how to get the job done. Feel a white house position is wrong or mistaken present your case up the command chain and if they buy in they will bring it up even more. Yup its all live ammo in the White house
Wouldn’t fuel efficiency standard have down the road can’t opposite of what the ad claims? The whole point of efficiency is getting the same power out of less fuel, so higher standards would mean you’d still get over the hill, but now your car won’t be empty at the top. They could’ve also just said that.
It's fine to take a problem to someone else, what's not fine is to find a problem, make no effort looking for a solution, and then expect a cookie. You want help? Brainstorm some solutions, bring me the problem, tell me why you think your solutions might not work, and I'll help you. You want a cookie? Bring me the problem and a solution you know will work.
I recall that Richard Schiff struggled with Sorkin’s dialogue until he discovered how to slow it way down. Everyone else rattles it off at hyper speed (especially Whitford and Janey) but Schiff found Toby’s voice in a more halting morose kind of manner. Except, when he’s ranting and it speeds up, but even then, there are pauses and breaks. These really show a nice range of emotion within a character that could have been one note. Over the years, Toby always seems to display a lot of emotion but it always comes across more subtly than say, Josh. It’s also cool because Sorkin writes Sorkin, not individual characters but Schiff and the other actors have been able to create unique characters. When four of them are in a room, it doesn’t sound like Sorkin talking to himself.
I dunno, the biggest criticism of the West Wire is the same as Gossip Girls; they don't sound like real people they sound like a small group of writers spending an extended amount of time writing dialogue.
I think this is exactly why Sorkin is so good. He writes the words and lets the actors give them a voice. It's also a double edged sword. When an actor can't do this it's really not good to watch (ahem Mandy ahem)
Toby could lower the temperature a little, but he's absolutely right. This is basic professionalism 101. Don't go to your boss to point out a problem, and then give a flat "no" when you're asked for a solution. At the very least, have some brainstorming done first.
"And if you ever throw that fucking ball at me again, I'll shove it SO FAR UP YOUR ASS that it'll wink at you when you brush your teeth in the morning."
Nah, Toby doesn't take the personal attack about getting married, he doesn't know Will good enough to accept that. Will would get an angry retort, and invitation out of the office.
Will was the smuggest little shit on the show, and that's saying something. I think they were working too hard to say "yeah this guy is as good as Sam, please agree and like him".
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Toby's got an absolute point here! You're supposed to be this incredibly intelligent the high flyer who I've just promoted rather rapidly and you literally cabin and say we should do something about this I'm surprised he got suggested that he had his pass in on the way out the door that evening lol Will's comment about suicide is is really and I mean really nasty. A totally deaf moment where snarky goes over to cruel, all the more noticeable because of how rare it is in the show
Back to reality I go camping I take a backpack a tent that's it for the Jeep go when I was married my wife loaded the Jeep when there was no room close blankets everything we need then she brought more clothes or blankets more stuff and I had to hook up the camp trailer because she wanted more room to carry stuff for a week we wound up hauling 1100 lb of stuff me I would have gone with or changes of clothes cooler for food my kayak on the roof that's it and if everybody in the family the three of us would have had everything the same it would all fit in the Jeep in the back but needing the extra blankets the entire linen closet her whole wardrobe we needed a another trailer Willard 1100 lb so it's not the soccer mom worried she'd worried you can't bring the kitchen sink
Remember what made Toby this way. He’d been on six other campaigns and never won. The one that wins is the big prize, and now he’s even more neurotic because he thinks the Democrats are garbage at getting their message out there
the interns came up with some pretty preposterous ideas bc the speechwriters were unavailable for some reason, which I can't remember. I also can't remember if there was ever a final version of the response ad. (and weren't 3 out of the 4 interns called stacy or something like that?)
Toby is right. You're working at elite levels of government. You don't come to your boss with a problem without having thought of at least one solution. Toby was right to chew him out, and I'm disappointed that he let him off in the end. Toby is getting soft here. What is he paying this guy for? Take five, ten, twenty minutes...think of solutions. This whelp is not earning his money. And then he wants to crack wise, like he has any room at all? Fire this guy and find somebody better.
I never really liked Will. About the best he did for the show was bring Winnie Cooper out of retirement, and Kate? Yeah in real life a woman like her wouldn't be caught dead with a loser like that.
Sorry to bust your bubble. You are right about one thing. Kate is not his type. I am:) Women like me love men like Will. Some women love bad boys. Some women love the smart, intelligent, and stable type and then love to make em blush. Will is definitely my type. Can't get enough of him.
+Shankar Sivarajan Walken is far superior to Trump. Walken at least has integrity, intelligence, humility and personal conviction. Trump has none of these.
"And I'm tired of being the captain of the team that can't shoot straight!" "No! If I'm going to have you sit through this preposterous exercise, we're gonna get the names of the damn Commandments right!" (And then proceeds to also get the Commandment wrong.) "Honor thy Father... is the 3rd Commandment!" (No, it's the 5th Toby) "There's literally no one in the world I don't hate right now." "This is my day of jubilee, and you are not going to ruin it by 'what', Bonnie?!" - "Tempting fate." - "BY TEMPTING FATE!" "But I bet all the money in my pockets, against all the money in your pockets, that it was LEO!!! WHO NO ONE ELECTED!" "Your father used to hit you, Mr. President?!" "We changed time zones... what, people just-just-just reset their watch or something?!" And many, many more.
I have yet to figure out what Toby means by “a big 3 hosing,” is he referring to Ford, Chrysler, and GM?
Can the actors ask Aaron Sorkin whether it is okay to just try some improvisation instead of actually learning pages-on-pages of dialogue?
My life is overrun with people buying big new things.
Toby is my fave, Josh is the star.
I love that Toby is unashamedly insane.
At around 1:33 Toby tells Will "well get one!!!" It reminds me alot of Sam telling Ainsley "well, we play with live ammo around here" Toby and Sam are twk seasoned white house staffers. The white house deals with a a lot of live issues at any given time. Which slides down to staffers dealing 90-100 issues of various degree of importance from seating arrangements at a simple leadership breakfast to finalizing details on state dinners and foreign state visits to dozens of life and death situations in the situation room. The white house is not a room for half a thing and debating for the sake of contrarianess. If you feel something needs to be done. Get the ball rolling and figure out how to get the job done. Feel a white house position is wrong or mistaken present your case up the command chain and if they buy in they will bring it up even more. Yup its all live ammo in the White house
Wouldn’t fuel efficiency standard have down the road can’t opposite of what the ad claims? The whole point of efficiency is getting the same power out of less fuel, so higher standards would mean you’d still get over the hill, but now your car won’t be empty at the top. They could’ve also just said that.
1:51 "Toby... either get Andy to marry you, or kill yourself." Gold.
I identify a lot with Toby. Like Toby, I'm a much better writer than I am a speaker.
It's fine to take a problem to someone else, what's not fine is to find a problem, make no effort looking for a solution, and then expect a cookie. You want help? Brainstorm some solutions, bring me the problem, tell me why you think your solutions might not work, and I'll help you. You want a cookie? Bring me the problem and a solution you know will work.
I recall that Richard Schiff struggled with Sorkin’s dialogue until he discovered how to slow it way down. Everyone else rattles it off at hyper speed (especially Whitford and Janey) but Schiff found Toby’s voice in a more halting morose kind of manner. Except, when he’s ranting and it speeds up, but even then, there are pauses and breaks. These really show a nice range of emotion within a character that could have been one note. Over the years, Toby always seems to display a lot of emotion but it always comes across more subtly than say, Josh. It’s also cool because Sorkin writes Sorkin, not individual characters but Schiff and the other actors have been able to create unique characters. When four of them are in a room, it doesn’t sound like Sorkin talking to himself.
I dunno, the biggest criticism of the West Wire is the same as Gossip Girls; they don't sound like real people they sound like a small group of writers spending an extended amount of time writing dialogue.
I think this is exactly why Sorkin is so good. He writes the words and lets the actors give them a voice. It's also a double edged sword. When an actor can't do this it's really not good to watch (ahem Mandy ahem)
Yes, liberals suck!
-Don’t come here with half a thing! -That’s what SHE said 😏🥺
Why was toby mad? Was he made at someone or what?
There are days when I feel like Toby Ziegler. I rant and rave against the universe and I'm told I should get a dog. Nobody gets me.
Toby is incoherent but right. You don’t go to your boss with a problem, you go to your boss with a problem and a solution.
"have. an. idea!"
season and episode?
Don't come in here with half a thing. That's what she said.
Toby could lower the temperature a little, but he's absolutely right. This is basic professionalism 101. Don't go to your boss to point out a problem, and then give a flat "no" when you're asked for a solution. At the very least, have some brainstorming done first.
“Say that again.”
Toby never did work well with others.
"And if you ever throw that fucking ball at me again, I'll shove it SO FAR UP YOUR ASS that it'll wink at you when you brush your teeth in the morning."
Nah, Toby doesn't take the personal attack about getting married, he doesn't know Will good enough to accept that. Will would get an angry retort, and invitation out of the office.
"She looks worried because Dad is dragging a YARD SALE up Kilimanjaro, and she's thinking, 'Wow! I married an idiot!'" LOLOLOL!!!
Will was the smuggest little shit on the show, and that's saying something. I think they were working too hard to say "yeah this guy is as good as Sam, please agree and like him".
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Toby's got an absolute point here! You're supposed to be this incredibly intelligent the high flyer who I've just promoted rather rapidly and you literally cabin and say we should do something about this I'm surprised he got suggested that he had his pass in on the way out the door that evening lol Will's comment about suicide is is really and I mean really nasty. A totally deaf moment where snarky goes over to cruel, all the more noticeable because of how rare it is in the show
Has this been sped up? Toby sounds like a chipmunk.
I love Toby Ziegler! I don't even know why, except Richard Schiff's amazing portrayal (and Aaron Sorkin's genius).
"I dunnu, how do they ever?" GOLD!
Back to reality I go camping I take a backpack a tent that's it for the Jeep go when I was married my wife loaded the Jeep when there was no room close blankets everything we need then she brought more clothes or blankets more stuff and I had to hook up the camp trailer because she wanted more room to carry stuff for a week we wound up hauling 1100 lb of stuff me I would have gone with or changes of clothes cooler for food my kayak on the roof that's it and if everybody in the family the three of us would have had everything the same it would all fit in the Jeep in the back but needing the extra blankets the entire linen closet her whole wardrobe we needed a another trailer Willard 1100 lb so it's not the soccer mom worried she'd worried you can't bring the kitchen sink
Your ex wife sounds like me! Bet you had everything you needed. Plenty of toilet paper and an umbrella. Humor us.
Its funny ive seen the show all the way through twice now and I do not remember this scene at all! Anyone else?
I haven't seen this episode, so "either get Andy to marry you or kill yourself" is an interesting line.
I love Toby’s character. So much pain baked in. Very realistic for a politically-minded Jew of his generation.
Remember what made Toby this way. He’d been on six other campaigns and never won. The one that wins is the big prize, and now he’s even more neurotic because he thinks the Democrats are garbage at getting their message out there
he was right.
The Democrats are still garbage at getting their message out, over 25 years later.
Will was a welcome addition for someone who needs to vent.
D:
Will stands out as a smug ass - which is saying something with that cast of characters.
Did they ever come up with a response to this ad? I don't remember..
the interns came up with some pretty preposterous ideas bc the speechwriters were unavailable for some reason, which I can't remember. I also can't remember if there was ever a final version of the response ad. (and weren't 3 out of the 4 interns called stacy or something like that?)
Will I be followed like this Everywhere I Go
Don’t blame your lame “I have a problem only” crap on Toby and blame relationship issues you little punk.
Toby is right. You're working at elite levels of government. You don't come to your boss with a problem without having thought of at least one solution. Toby was right to chew him out, and I'm disappointed that he let him off in the end. Toby is getting soft here. What is he paying this guy for? Take five, ten, twenty minutes...think of solutions. This whelp is not earning his money. And then he wants to crack wise, like he has any room at all? Fire this guy and find somebody better.
c'mere so i kin slap you
I never really liked Will. About the best he did for the show was bring Winnie Cooper out of retirement, and Kate? Yeah in real life a woman like her wouldn't be caught dead with a loser like that.
Sorry to bust your bubble. You are right about one thing. Kate is not his type. I am:) Women like me love men like Will. Some women love bad boys. Some women love the smart, intelligent, and stable type and then love to make em blush. Will is definitely my type. Can't get enough of him.
Toby's saying, Bring me solutions, not problems.
"Don't give me excuses! *Give me results!* "
Toby Ziegler is not a great person to work with.
"Don't come to me with half a thing..!"
We got a president like Josiah Bartlett but just a little bit cooler. Barack Obama
True
Well, remember President Glen Walken? I think that describes the new one.
No Trump is Ritchie.
Pence is Richie.
+Shankar Sivarajan Walken is far superior to Trump. Walken at least has integrity, intelligence, humility and personal conviction. Trump has none of these.