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They're both raw and heavy sounding albums. I can see why you would prefer those two.

I do know what you mean about Ezrin's influence making the songs sound more cinematic or showtune-like. Alice Cooper really has a lot of that kind of sounding stuff on some of his 70s era albums.

I tend to feel the same way. Ballads have to be REALLY good to earn my appreciation.

I love Flaming Youth and Sweet Pain. Detroit Rock City is about as good as a hard rock song gets. It’s an absolute classic.

It seems to be among the highest rated KISS albums by the hardcore fans.

Yeah, I noticed that too. It’s kind of strange because the volume coming out the speakers was pretty loud and I wasn’t that close to the phone while I was recording this. It's actually a bit bizarre to me. Maybe I pluck those strings harder than I thought!

Rock And Roll Over is rawer and has louder guitars. That's one thing I really like about it.

Agreed, except I think Take Me is a fun, rockin’ song. Definitely not a “perfect 10” though. My rating of that song in this video was said in jest.

I’m freaking myself out with the balaclava too. I look like a scary muppet. Hope you have a Merry Christmas!

Cool ! Those albums are among the best ways to be introduced to KISS. I started with Destroyer but it's possible that I may have heard the KISS Alive! album first. I can't remember exactly. I do remember seeing them on the Paul Lynde Halloween special in October of 1976 and that got me even more hyped up for KISS. Those were great times!

This seems to be the general consensus in the comments here.

It's a classic!

I have a hard time choosing a definitive favorite between the 2 albums but you can't go wrong with Rock And Roll Over.

It's good to see Rock And Roll Over getting so much love in these comments!

Well stated! Love Gun does feel slicker and it has better production than the debut KISS album, but I think even Love Gun could have been produced better than it was. The greatness of the songs on the first KISS album allows them to shine through a somewhat lackluster production.

Good choice! It's hard to go wrong with either one.

I'm a big fan of Ulrich Roth (ex-Scorpions guitarist). Ace wrote many memorable solos in the 1970s. He was my first lead guitar inspiration. He's been playing really poorly in recent years though. I'm almost embarrassed to hear him play these days because he was THE original guitar hero for me.

@ I also LOVE Ulrich Roth. Superb.

I've never been "Rick-Rolled" but 'Rock And Roll Over' is a great album. I wonder if that RickRolling trend has ended?

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Thanks! I appreciate the kind comment.

I definitely underrated Makin' Love and Hard Luck Woman. I might have underrated Beth too because it's not a bad song, just not a song that I really connect to.

Yes, I've always found that to be an interesting side note. I seem to remember Paul wanting Rod Stewart to record it, but some people in management thought it would be a good choice for KISS to keep it and have Peter sing it. I think their intention was to hopefully have another hit song, with the help of a similar balladesque style that worked in making Beth successful.

It's been a long time since I listened to the Double Platinum version. Now that you mentioned it, I'm going to go give it a listen. Thanks for mentioning it !

I agree! Well said. 👍

I love both albums.

I really appreciate the variety of music that KISS gave us.

It’s a classic. Way better than 5.5

@@damnwicked666 Good idea.👍🤘 Both albums are great. It would be intersting to read the opinions of other people. Cheers 🤘🍻🥃

@@Rigosson I agree, they're both great albums. It's kind of fascinating reading all the varying opinions on here!

Rock And Roll over is getting a lot of love in the comments and rightfully so. I got into KISS right around the time Destroyer was released and a few years later got into Zeppelin, Sabbath, AC/DC, Van Halen, Sweet, Aerosmith, Cheap Trick, Angel, RUSH, Queen, Kansas, Priest, Maiden, Hendrix, Cream, Jeff Beck, Lynyrd Skynyrd and a bunch of other bands. However, I still always followed KISS and enjoyed a lot of their music. KISS had some duds just like all those bands did.

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The loud guitars and upfront, "in your face" production of Rock And Roll Over is unique to that album. I should have given a few songs from that album a higher mark. Thanks for your comment!

Greats songs and lots of magic on that album.

I've never been a big fan of Beth but I can see it's charm, especially for the soccer moms :) But I can definitely understand your point of view.

Beth sold the album to the casual fanbase but the hard rockin' songs on Destroyer sold the album to the hardcore fans and those that like more excitement in their music. I think songs like Detroit Rock City did a lot more for KISS' longevity and credibility than Beth.

Yep it makes no sense to give Great Expectations such a high rating and Beth which is a classic and Kiss biggest ever hit only 5.5

It is a great album for sure. I like almost every KISS guitar solo from the 1970s. The bass lines were just as great too. There’s so much to appreciate with this band. Awesome to have someone from the other side of the world commenting. This Canadian appreciates it. Rock on! 🤘🤘

I love them both. Would have liked to hear them play Love ‘Em Leave ‘Em, Mr. Speed, Flaming Youth, Sweet Pain , Take Me and See You In Your Dreams in concert more often.

I can't argue with that. Both great albums though!

That would be VERY interesting!

Imagine Bob Ezrin producing the first three albums which we all know and can hear how poorly produced they were.

@@SwitchFoot2007 I wish there was an alternate reality where we could hear those albums with the Bob Ezrin production!

@@damnwicked666 Bob Ezrin should have been KISS' producer from from the start. He knew exactly how to make them sound.

Now that you mention it, I think you’re right. It was a common practice back in the 50s, 60s 70s and 80s. I’m glad you brought my attention to that because now I wanna compare the song fade-outs on Rock And Roll Over with Destroyer’s song fade-outs.

Yes, they’re both great albums, worthy of high marks!

? Baby Driver? WTF. How is that a crapper? I like Peter's voice as much as the other two and more of a Rock and Roll style than Gene or Paul. Great lyrics and the hook is excellent. I have it on my play list when I ride my motorcycle. R&R Over was meant specifically to get away from the polish of Bob Ezrin, and to be more in line with Dressed to Kill. Destroyer was like the Elder, with Bob being the 5th member of the band (Ace hated it). Dressed to Kill and R&R Over are your classic Kiss albums. Dressed to Kill is my favorite studio album, and R&R Over is a very close 2nd. PS Don't hate on Beth. It brought them to super stardom.

@@ComradeJetski Yes, Dressed To Kill is a great album too!

@@ComradeJetski Nah Baby Driver and Beth aren’t great songs.