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@@wilkinsnl oh, around!

@@thomasnussbaum4711 generally I’m a little off center with the rimshot but there are always occasions to play center no rim. Thanks!!!!

@@jimmy_keegan_drums Thank you! Mickey is an unsung hero. I abselutely love the follow up "Into The Fire", such great songs and playing. A bummer that it wasn't as successful as the other records. Maybe a secret tip: Thunder from Duran Duran's Andy Taylor, a great rock record. I'd lie to hear the orginal tracks played by Terry Bozzio, though. Nerd mode off...😉

Hey Jon, thanks for starters and Happy New Year! About getting the drums sound ... okay, first it's matter of understanding how it was done in the first place. It's just me and while there are no samples on this track, I'm not against them and have used them for mix sessions. All the toms have the bottom heads off. Phil's kit had different depths so they will sound a little different. He also used Remo Diplomat heads on the 8 and 10" heads with Ambassadors on the rest. I'm using Aquarian Classic Clears on all the toms. 2 mics on the kick, one (ATM-25) close to the beater for attack, one (AT-4047) just outside the drums for depth. Snare had 2 dynamic mics, HH has a condenser, pretty standard. Toms all have ATM-230, very similar to Sennheiser 421s. Condenser OHs. That's the easy part. In the room are 4 mics. A center Ribbon over the kit EQ-ed like a room mic. A center ribbon about 6' out from the kit with compression and full range EQ. This mic is not gated so between the 2 ribbons, I get a full range sound on the kit. Cymbals ring out and so on. There is also a pair of AT05045 mics in the room and they are heavily gated and compressed. These mics are mixed and then sent to a final buss for some more compression and a bit of final EQ as a set. This gives me a decent sound but as I don't have a big beautiful room like The Farm where they tracked this, I have IR reverbs. It so happens, I have the IK Multimedia Farm simulation. So between that and a few other simulation tricks I ran the drum close mics through the sims rooms and then did a similar gate and compression effect and there you have it. About as close as I could get it under the circumstances and not being Phil and all. His hands play into a great deal. Hugh Padgham is a brilliant engineer so the fact that you think it sounds close is a huge compliment!

@@jimmy_keegan_drums Happy New Year! Thanks for the great description of this magic! You obviously know what you're doing with mics and placement, gear, etc., not to mention you've definitely got some chops! Yes, huge compliments to you, because my ears could swear you had perhaps mixed in some of the original drums. I've only started mic'ing and mixing my acoustic drums over the last couple years, and there are SO MANY variables involved, as you obviously know. How did you gather so many details about how the original sound was produced? Is this publicly available info? Again, awesome playing and sound - love it!!!

@@jon325 Much of it is public but I've also had the good fortune to work with some great engineers who helped feed my understanding of mic placement and studio tricks. Thanks!!!

Yeah, the "Swiss" triplet fill is one of my favs. The other is the Flam Tap in the second verse running down the toms. He just has so many moments where I get giddy. The song Hand To Hand on his first solo record was a consideration. He does the same Flam Tap fill and then there's the big dramatic fill going into the outro that just floors me. It's why I love having a lot of toms in my set up. Sure I'll shrink it down for around town gigs but when I'm out with one of my Prog projects, 5 toms at least.

It's the grace notes that I've incorporated into my own sound. And why not? He stole the Ringo swing.

Reminds me too, at the NEC in Birmingham, it was Phils birthday and the band kept playing tricks on him, that quiro/cowbell/Banks solo bit, they came in on something like that "and" but Phil didnt, he stood there, hands on his hips looking at Tony. They did it with Abacab too, he counted everyone in and jumped for "four", everyone else came in on the "and", hilarious for those who caught it!

Oh it never left him but he chose to feed different parts of his soul. And why not? He had already defined the Prog genre.

Pat played on Summer of '69, One Night Love Affair and Kids Wanna Rock. Steve Smith is on Heaven and Mickey did the rest.

Wow! Very kind. Thanks.

Yeah, Jason's a bad ass! Thanks!