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it also was the life boat for the Apollo 13 crew.

The Russian had enough ingenuity, they lacked mostly money, their strategic rocket army sucked all their money away.

You realise the Soviet system was more competitive right? They were crippled by defence bureaus operating independently and actively sabotaging each other as they developed their own concepts and innovations, while the US was much more in bed with their contractors and actively involved in enforcing cooperation and technology sharing. The Apollo program is the largest centrally planned project in history, and it was what launched the US tech sector forward. There was no direct return on investment from Apollo, but the impact on the US was vast and positive. It is the single greatest argument against capitalism being optimal that has ever existed. The US 'won' the space race because they threw a boat load of money at the problem, and still had the centrally controlled industrial base built in the second world war. It had far more to do with the fact that the US hadn't been bombed than ingenuity, or capitalism. I have no problem with Americans being proud of their achievements, but please don't go around proclaiming them a victory for capitalism when most of them are a demonstration of what can be achieved with central planning by competent well supported leadership.

Sounds like North American could have used him, the way they messed up the command module

@@kbanghart North American didn't mess up the CM. NASA did.

@@RideAcrossTheRiver both had involvement.

It used to be a meritocracy but later became gekkocrats

Out of the now 8 managers I had, only one person blamed people for mistakes. All others always reacted in the vein of Kelly here. It's not forgotten. It basically has gotten into the core management training by now. The manager I had (first manager) that didn't do it was a self taught entrepreneur.

Sounds like North American could have used him, the way they messed up the command module

That's the sad part.

​@@leftcoaster67 not just managers but also you need good people above them as well. If a good manager has a ahole manager themselves, they could be pressured to do dumb stuff like fire good people.

The last designs I heard stated they’d be bigger than the apollos and capable of holding all four astronauts

@Kevin Balch; is it possible the process you're talking about hadn't been developed during this time period?

@@alexblake5369 - Good question.

It's also possible that the redundant policy you speak of or something very similar existed - and what is portrayed in this scene never actually happened. Not everything in these movies and miniseries actually happened.

Northrop and Grumman were two separate companies at the time. It was Grumman. It wasn't until 1994 the two companies merged.

So now, you know how to vote...

@@toAdmiller American is never going to the moon, or anywhere, anymore. January 20th 2021 saw the end of the United states in a coup d'etat, and the installation of a chicom Vichy Government. Enjoy your communist slavery.

@@zackthebongripper7274 Dude...check the expiration date on your milk...

@@zackthebongripper7274 You fascist traitor. Who in the ever loving holy hell do you think you are spouting that right wing bullshit....

Thank goodness we have our current administration

Jokes on you, fascist traitor. That's exactly what he was.

@@lancer525 If you project hard enough you'll get your wish eventually. Mind your words

Kennedy was

But not a progressive, and barely a liberal.

Who says?

This is a representative of your current boss, you’re fired!

Not at ALL the words.

Wow, most every boss I've known has been the hinge scene from _Schindler's_

That's how I work with my guys, It's a learning experience, or as I like to put it, "process improvement".

And simple, everything about the Apollo program was "beauty in simplicity", and it worked really well.

No 3D printers, high tech Materials that cost 1,000's of $$ per sf. Cardboard, masking tape & #2 pencils.

Math done by slide rule.

You have absolutely no fucking idea what are you talking about.

While the general culture of the USSR government/military programs was...worse, this simply wasn't the case, at least so far as we know, with their space program. Granted, the Soviets were a lot less open about their space program (as evidenced by the fact that their entire large moon-mission rocket was kept completely secret until the 90s, and the Buran was not nearly as publicized as the Space Shuttle), but it really wasn't a toxic working culture. The Soviet space program was very successful up until it tried to reach for a manned mission to the moon, and it was probably the height of the Soviet Union's prestige and achievement.

Very well stated.

"That's the difference between the US and USSR space programs." Tell that to Roger Boisjoly. He likened the way the Marshal Space Flight Center was run to a Gespato prison camp. The center director had NASA employees and even contractors horrified to speak up about defects or problems with the flight hardware over fear of losing their jobs and being permanently blacklisted from the engineering industry. When Morton Thiokol telephoned NASA that it was too cold to launch the Challenger, Boisjoly and his fellow engineers where essential told to sit down and shut up while their managers were pressured to change their minds to approve the launch. After blowing the whistle, Boisjoly and co were treated as traitors.

Not the same as being sent to the Gulags or having a 9 mm Makarov round inserted into the back of your head at 1030 fps. I'm well aware of Roger's story. I was there.

Luis Soto because they are easy?

Not true. Roger Boisjoly TRIED to stop Challenger from launching by presenting FACTS, and they canned him for trying to save 7 lives. It is the Morton Thiokol GM who should've been fired for CHANGING his initial NO-GO recommendation. They should've pushed the Challenger back another week, launching on a Friday. NASA stands for Never About Saving Astronauts

This was back when character and honor actually mattered.

@@JMG717 You're wrong in everything you said.

To be fair, if NASA had given the CSM the same kind of scrutiny they INITIALLY gave the LEM when it arrived at the Cape, Apollo 1 may not have happened. I mean, for crying out loud, ALL THOSE INSPECTORS at the cape couldn't even see a damned socket wrench (which had nothing to do with the fire, but the point is...) BUT... what does McDonnell Douglas have to do with this? Unless you're referring to the Death Cruiser 10 and Mega Death 11

McDonnell designed the Mercury and Gemini spacecrafts. They had nothing to do with Apollo, unless I'm missing something. Nobody died in Mercury or Gemini capsules.

6 crews lost? Oh please...the only crew lost in direct connection to a mission during the entire moon program was Apollo 1. Even if you include Challenger and Columbia, that's still only 3 crews lost in a 40 year period. Facts are a thing....you might consider them.

Tell that to the 737 MAX these days haha

Yes, all he says is "because of the square backpacks we'll have to put in a square hatch"

Thanks - I had thought that was the precursor to this scene. Have you seen a clip of that scene by any chance? I'm looking for it for work to show our engineers for how to bring mistakes up early.

Here you go: ruclips.net/video/spY_Z5RiTic/видео.html Let me know if you want any other clips posted.

Actually Tom Kelly said that to his engineers after Pete Conrad, and CC Williams (who were supposed to be on the first landing) had told Tom Kelly that at a meeting. (It didn't happen over the phone like mentioned on this show)

There's a scene in "Apollo 13" where they see that they had differently shaped air filters for the LEM and CSM and Kranz says, "Tell me this isn't a government run operation."