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[TRANSCRIPT] SHELLEY JOYCE: Apparently this city is not alone when it comes to dysfunction at the local leadership level. Diane Kalen-Sukra has written a book on toxic culture for civic leaders. Her book is called Save Your City, How Toxic Culture Kills Community and What to Do About It. Diane is a keynote speaker at conferences and summits for city leaders all over the world. Daybreak checked in with her before she heads off to Australia. I started out by asking her, Why she cares so much about this. DIANE KALEN-SUKRA: In 2018, I left my job as a City Manager/Chief Administrative Officer to sound the alarm on the rise of incivility and toxic behavior in our communities, and at the time, as Canadians, I think we were in denial that this was a widespread problem, but I had worked across the country for Over a decade, and this gave me a vantage point to see that political culture was actually deteriorating over time in our communities and that it was posing a growing threat to good governance to the effective delivery of services to the well being of those serving in local governments and ultimately to our local democracies. SHELLEY JOYCE: Kamloops a fair amount between our mayor and city council. Are you telling me this is not unusual? DIANE KALEN-SUKRA: Unfortunately, increasingly on the rise, and we do have some statistics to show that this year was a pivotal year, which makes it really clear that it's imperative that we turn this cultural tide because we saw, for instance, the mayor of Quebec's fourth largest municipality resigned her post due to death threats in a hostile political culture. Just this week, the local government association in the UK reported that 20 percent of local officials have received death threats or threats of violence. In the U. S. we know that 40 percent of elected officials are considering not running again due to the abuse and it's not just from citizens, it's sometimes from each other. This is higher for women, for people of color and underrepresented groups and so it's causing a lot of chaos and while we don't have a lot of statistics in Canada, I, I just organized and held the world's first global civility summit for civic leaders (KalenAcademy.com/summit), which was a gathering of 450 leaders from nine countries to begin to address the issues. This global problem together, and while around half of the participants were from U. S. cities, 30 percent were from Canadian cities. And. The statistics coming out of that event show that Canadian civic leaders are experiencing very similar levels of disruption to local governance and service delivery. About three quarters of our civic leaders are reporting that civility in their communities is challenged, poor or very poor. Half of us are saying that the frequency of incivility that they're experiencing is frequent or constant. And really most alarmingly is we're seeing around 20 percent of people in many countries, including Canada, saying that their family members are experiencing harassment as a result of their involvement in politics. And this, of course, is a huge deterrent to people getting involved in politics. And it also, this type of culture doesn't just spread, but it intensifies. So it goes from insults to harassment to threats to violence. And that's the spectrum that we all have a role to stop. And that's my mission. It's what I've been, uh, preoccupying myself with for the past few years. I first began by writing a book about it and expressing my actual experiences, one for citizens and one for civic leaders. It's called save your city, how toxic culture kills community and what to do about it. And then I embarked on a civility speaking tour that has since gone global and continue to this day because. I wanted to express to people that we have agency in this, that culture doesn't just happen to us, that it's a manifestation of the words and behaviors that we consistently tolerate and promote and celebrate. And it's about the way we treat each other every day. And so I take readers on this journey from the hypothetical Bullyville where I use real examples, many of them Canadian examples where we intimidate abuse and threaten each other to get our way to the ideal community sustainable where we all want to go a place rooted in respect and dignity for each other. And so I set up Kalin Academy. It's an online civic Institute Leadership Institute to support civic leaders and staff engaged citizens and candidates. On this somewhat treacherous political journey, like arming them with the resiliency and the ethics and the stability training and as well as a network of supportive peers, because it is, it is a difficult journey. And the times we're in do require the kind of civic leadership that can unite and build shared understanding and counter the kind of division and level of misunderstanding and contempt that is starting to plague so much of our local and state and provincial and national politics. SHELLEY JOYCE: Do you know about the conflict in Kamloops between City Council and the Mayor? DIANE KALEN-SUKRA: I'm familiar with it. I don't have anything to add besides what is publicly available and, and that often is not enough because there are always backstories and deeper causes and whatnot. But, you know, we do have that report from the Province's Municipal Advisor, former Mayor Henry Braun. And really, if there was anyone with the moral authority and the wisdom, the character to address that situation, it would be Mr. Braun. But what we're finding in so many of these dysfunctional situations, because Kamloops is not unique, we're finding this in all Western democracies. But wherever we send in, whether it be in Australia, sending in municipal monitors, or in Canadian provinces, sending in advisors, We find that the best in the municipal sector are often sent in and surprised to realize that reason doesn't actually apply. And that indicates that we have a deeper cultural problem. And increasingly, we are seeing people being elected into local authors in our Western democracies who may not even respect the institution. Or who may bring with them a host of conspiracy theories. And there is even what I call the lust for destruction types. We've seen where the goal seems to be chaos. And this is an anathema to civic leadership and to good governance. It is leaders, civic leaders who set the tone for the top from the top for the community. And it is the traditional role of these leaders to build shared understanding. And we have a great challenge in our communities right now of a lack of respect between elected officials and, and citizens, as well as a lack of understanding. And that is tied to a whole bunch of causes, one of them being the incredible decline of civic education and understanding in our communities. SHELLEY JOYCE: What does a city do if an unfit or difficult representative refuses to comply or to step aside? How do you fix this toxic behavior that you're talking about? DIANE KALEN-SUKRA: It is so frustrating and so difficult. And there's all sorts of voices advocating for some type of mechanism for the removal of people from office. And we can all appreciate why this is a challenge, right? It's not necessarily a simple fix. And my area of focus has not been in legislating civility or enforcing civility, but rather in encouraging the lasting solution, which is in the transformation of civic culture. However, You know, what is important from what I can see is that the Council and Kamloops and the city are following the recommendations of the municipal advisor and state laws and using whatever mechanisms are at their disposal. And that sounds wise, and it's not a quick fix, but it's a bit of an educational process for everyone involved. Like, elections have consequences. Civility starts with us. We all need to be civil, but we also need to elect civil. And it's only together that we can cultivate civility, which is actually, like, democracy doesn't work without it, and we can see the consequences of the incredible cost that communities pay when they're faced with governance dysfunction. SHELLEY JOYCE: That is Diane Kalen-Sukra speak, she speaks to elected officials and city managers at conferences around the world. We reached her on her way off to Australia to speak there. Her book is called Save Your City, how toxic culture kills community and what to do about it. 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She is giving an opinion freedom means one can be anti social a recluse etc. I am not sure her view of Greek democracy is completely certain. Either way democracy can be mob rule. Her view is simplistic.

Television programs that glorify violence. Imagining saying that in the age of grand theft auto.

We need another Kennedy. We need RFK Jr. 💜

Glad to vote for his son in this election!

American is not a democracy. America is a republic. There is a huge difference. The greeks and other ancients knew that democracy is rule by mob, This is why the powers are divided, why there are laws. The word democracy is not in any founding documents. It is like Chistmas or Fathers Day, invented for marketing purposes. Those pushing Democracy as a form of American govenment are ignorant, apathetic or IN-ON-IT.

Best way to stop this abuse is to stop the tax dollar abuse first.

Now that's perspective!

Bobby Kennedy was a creep.

I think RFK Jr. would be a good president too but I'm a little worried at the same time if you know what I mean!

Bobby K all the way

Truth does not age or become irrelevant over time. We are so fortunate to have is truths preserved and his son’s truth lighting our way today

Wow. I couldnt agree more. Capitalism in the way we have it, ignores that which is most valuable. Bobby Kennedy Jr (2024) has spoken very similar sentiments. Listen to his "Love of Falconry" ❤

GNP determines the size of the U.S. social safety net. Without GNP there are no social programs, no free education, no free 911, no 24/7 electricity, water infrastructure, no banks that make loans to everyone to start new businesses, or to buy a new car. The list of what GNP does for EVERY individual is innumerable….! GNP determines everyone’s standard of living. How U.S. citizens decide to spend those tax dollars from that GNP is politics. GNP and the taxes it generates…allows the US CHOICES, possibilities and the freedom of the individual’s to decide where that money is spent. GNP, and capitalism is a good thing! 🇺🇸

I was only 11 when RFK was assassinated. I had no idea how eloquent he was. I'm voting for his son, RFK Jr. who will fearlessly put our country on the path to decency.

1) - [thesis]: if "SleepyJoe" shall be reelected & so cremated into WH, - it mean American people wanna just "Make Armageddon Great Again!"; 2) - [antithesis]: if "OrangeDonnie" shall be elected again & so putted back into WH - it mean American people wanna only "Make BigPharma&Dr.Fauci Great Again!"; 3) - [synthesis]: if "Bobby jr" shall be elected incredibly as 3rd independent candidate & so inserted for 1st time inside WH - it mean American people wanna exactly "Make Ancestors's Wisdom&Wit Great Again!" Indeed: «We, the people, are the boss, & we will get the kind of political leadership, be it good or bad, that we demand & deserve!» [John Fitzgerald Kennedy - "Annual convention of American Association of School Administrators & National School Board Association" (Atlantic City - February 19th, 1957)] PS - NEVER MORE, please, as that usual «American idiot in a nation controlled by media!» Since now to election-day: “All the way with RFK!"✌🧠 NEVER in fact forget: «When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man!» [Anthony Burgess - “A Clockwork Orange” (UK-1962)]

Wow RFK jr speaks just like him but in a different way. Proud to be voting for him

2024 Slogan: "MAKE AMERICA DECENT AGAIN, RFK ALL The Way...! "

This is the reason , or one of them, why the Deep State took him out.

Modern Democrats aren’t like this. They define wealth by how much they can steal.

What the rest of the world has needed and still needs in the US is complete isolation.

From the UK. It seems like that's all the Democrat corrupt politicians want!

That is not todays Democrat politicians.

The MILITARY-INDUSTRIALl COMPLEX, and the others in the BIG FIVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, had always been the only enemy of the US !

Time to get his son into the White House, RFK Jr for President 2024!

Facts!!!

Speak that to the people we are coming together for the good

Get the F off your high horse

RFK JR. POTUS 24❤❤❤ GO BOBBY GO❤❤

Such compassionate eloquence.

It seems that the government wants the people to be anything but what we were born to be, free and independent.

People today would’ve loved him! He’s essentially calling for better healthcare and better environment protection while criticizing consumerism and unchecked capitalism.

I wish I could have known such a man. ✌️

He was killed for theses views

RFK jr for potus

RFK god bless you in your next life👼

The fake media of these days are traitors.

first

what happend to the Democrat party ? it is gone ....

Ruthless conspiracy.

😎😎😎 This is very applicable to today and how ZOG owns all forms of the media, the 5 major Vaccine Companies and the U.S. Government in America. 😱 What is ZOG ? I will leave it to you to find that out. Do some internet research for yourself

President Kennedy was a victim of a conspiracy.

A few months ago as a 26yrs old I woke up to the world and see whats starting with WEF. I was told as a child it was an assassination and i see the coverup now, as I see all the other ones too. What a brave man. God bless you americans! <3 Greetings for Europe.

Shocking to compare the president they have now to Kennedy!

He would have lost re-election. He was in over his head

jfk was killed from his own people, he was killed for not agreeing to something "they" the team that has all your tax dollars which makes them the richest folks on earth decided he was going to blow the cover off the top of the hustle that was about to become true. Like i tried to warn you people of bush and the twin towers. no one cares till it effects them right,

Remember riot isn’t looting! If your destroying and stealing from local businesses YOUR A LOOTER not a protestor

The shooters where alot closer than the 5th floor!

Stupid and Irish was happy when he died