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I believe for this setup it is a .5 shim thick end forward. Lose a lot of pump but turns well

@@justthewingtips a negative shim?

@@rmoisio yes I believe negative. A bottom mounted tail with thick end of shim forward raising the trailing edge of the tail.

I’m using the 96 stroke. I bought because it’s cheap, I don’t have to take care of it and it works really well. I tried it compared to the code paddle and Ono Ava 105 and it’s about in between those two on the size. So cadence to power ratio was perfect for me

I’d take down wind bumps in conditions like this with a smaller sup. The bumps are so rippable and there’s nothing like being locked in on a down wind

Hey! Reach out to Josh at the foil shop and he’ll give you the run down on booking a lesson. The shop number is (562) 685-1884.

I think it was a 910 with the red fuse.

No idea but I’m guessing a lot better. Tried the 150x for a wave and that already blows the 170 away. Low end on the 170 is the only thing it has going for it compared to the 150x

Ooooof meant to say I was riding the 178 tail. The 220 is meant for shotgunning beers! 220 should never belong on a foil haha

Hey what's the difference between the 178 and the 220? I'm considering buying a used set and has the 220 tail and it's actually a 1210 front wing on a 75 cm mast. I'm going to be riding behind the boat and I'd like to ride the waves and pump around a little bit if possible. Maybe even pop out of the water with some straps! I'm 175 lb. Anything you can tell me would be so helpful 🙌

You need wind or waves to surf or downwind foil. But, there are many people that run off docks and use them in flat water.

I’ve done my best foiling on the 980. I’ve tried a lot of foils and it’s been the closest to surfing for me. It’s slower and doesn’t pump as well as the newer foils coming out but I think it paces better with the waves I foil for maximum shredding

The 178 kujira tail

I’m about 195lbs (~88.5 kilos)

Thanks 🤙 it’s the 72cm and fast tail from foil parts

No. But I’d imagine it would be the ultimate dock start wing. 200 beach starts easy

I’d say trying to find a used 170 or 200 HA would be the call. Haven’t winged the lift gear but I think those are the only light wind options

I’m riding the 178. I’ve tried a kd tail and a couple other customs with the Takuma but in my opinion the 178 pairs best with the Takuma gear

Around 82 kg

@@castawaymonkey ok thanks, so then you still are able to pump foil on the 980? That's awesome. I heard that this foil would be to small for that.

@@louisbanenspumps great for how well it surfs. I’ve even down winded with the 980 a couple times.

@@justthewingtips Great!

No need to switch brands. 1550 will get you down winding no problem. But if you are going to go all in with Downwind eventually you'd probably want the 1125 or put in the time to learn to read bumps with the 1550 and go for the 925. Also mess with the tail shims and you could probably reduce some of the lift from the 1550.

In my opinion, the kujira 1095 is better in every way.

Morro bay harbor

Around 180lbs

Haha yeah I wing occasionally but don’t have the best spots for riding waves.

😂

You may be able to recover from a touch down easier with a larger surf foil board but I would say there is no reason to get one just for dock starts. The tray foil boards are ideal for handling them while running and pumping.

@@justthewingtips Ok thanks so much. Glad I just stuck with the tray. Much more consistent now and it really is a dream to run with, pump, and manage getting back up for another try.

For me I’d need a lower dock. It was too hard to run hunched over.

@@justthewingtips yeah sure, but in the end you manage to take 3 steps with your hand in place, so the only difference would be to just walk on the board keeping your hand in place instead of jumping. Maybe I'll try to find a high dock like yours and see if I can manage that or if there's an additional difficulty to it.

@@justthewingtips in fact the fall you show at 1:13 is really close to it, I would just keep the hands pushing on the board until the feet are settled. Do you think you wouldn't be able to have the sufficient initial speed doing that ?

@@yohann.roussel That would've been the ideal way to do it but I couldn't jump on without letting go.

@@justthewingtips Rhaaa... Too bad😭 fortunately you managed the other way !

I’d say with some practice yes but won’t be easy.

This was filmed a bit ago and I lagged on making them but the demand seems to be there so I’ll order more. Best to dm me on Instagram to order 🤙

Usually getting towed behind a boat is the best way to learn.

But yes it takes an all in commit! And he said big foil. Axis 1310. Or 1150.

@@justthewingtips that makes sense. But I meant more like how did you get introduced to it? Do you have to know someone who can let you try it out? They seem a bit pricey, so just buying one seems like a big commitment.

@@testaklese if you live in Southern California I work at a foil shop and we can get you out for a lesson.

They’re definitely a challenge. A good spot is key though. I’ve failed many times trying challenging spots