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Thank you Luis for your feedback! As I do not have any of these modern sensor cameras, I was trying to estimate based on published data on sensor measurements and looking at the public photos people take with these cameras. My estimation was based on my observation that virtually all photos on Flickr show that distortion. I am super super relieved to hear that the 7S-es have clean readouts, and the prevalent issues are most likely persistent user errors. That brings the question to my mind, why the majority of people turn out such poor images with such great cameras... well, same issue as dumb people using smart phones... Cheers, Janos

That`s because the story he`s telling here is complete nostalgic bullshit. There is really no basis in truth and the whole thing is made up like some conspiracy theory. Believe your own eyes and use good glass. Stay away from imposters like this.

I think it is a fantastic camera, much more capable than the 5D classic. It his a better camera than the 5Dc, but the 5DmkIV is even better, the R5 even better, a big Leica is even better, and the 5D c is better than the Leica..... so we go a full circle, going better and after a while we notice we lost something and coming back to the roots. The 5DmkII has a very unique color science with its earthy tones. Some people absolutely LOVE it, some can't stand. It's because there is a bleed through between its green and red channels, bringing more brown into the images. I think it's beautiful. Different from the more accurate presentation of the 5Dc. So, 5Dc is more faithful, but the mkII is much better in low light, and is a lot sharper due to its higher res and more modern sensor, and has significantly better dynamic range as well. For practical use, the 5Dc feels a lot more limited, while the mkII is still used by many pro photographers as a main money-maker. (The 5Dc would not work for that, only maybe for super-niche customers for photographers who do not use it as a primary money-maker and do it as a fun project where they do not mind the extra time it requires to handle).

@@ShutterNChill for all my life i used to shoot canon, my last one was the R and i shot with it for a while and enjoyed it but not much, i was enjoying my 6D much better but had to upgrade, and then with my R i used to rent the R5 for shooting commercials and fashion but i honestly never was charmed by the experience of shooting with it, so i never upgraded, i sold my R and decided to try fuji for personal use and keep renting for when i have shoots, i bought the x100v used it for a while too and got bored with it as i didn’t like the cropped sensor limitations for portraits retouching and the raw files weren’t that much of a thing, the jpegs can be nice but also never satisfying, i recently bought a 5D mkii used, dead used haha but you know i have been enjoying the experience of shooting with it much more than any previous camera i used, it is slightly slow when autofocus and i just wish this was better but all in all it is a beautiful camera, now i am Thinking of selling my fuji x100v and buying a 5d mk iv as my main camera, i love old sensor so much and i still much prefer a dslr over a mirrorless, never enjoyed shooting with a mirrorless, so i am in a dilemma and hence why i found your channel hahah, i still dont know what camera to own and use..

The 5Dii is an amazing camera. My most talented professional photographer friend still has her 5Dii. When I asked her about the new mirrorless or other cameras, she said she will use the 5Dii until it stops working.... 15 years ago, as today, she is producing pure art.

My dear friend. I do not have an A7. Send me one, and I will compare the two. Promise.

I have to say that I thought about it too, I asked myself if it was valid to make a comparison based on photos taken by others whose editing conditions are not known since we can well intuit that many photos are destroyed in the editing. However, even though the approach to the topic may seem more sentimental than scientific, it still seems valid to me and they are not fantasy arguments. I think that in this video there is a lot of what many users have written about a comparison, more scientific if you want, that Nigel Danson made where he compares a D200 VS a Z7. You can search for it and you will see that in the comments it is either full of nostalgic and fanciful people or something is really happening when you compare the images you see. And what you say about the quality of the lenses, I couldn't agree more, a good lens will always be more decisive than the sensor. It is for this reason that a Pentax Q from 2012 with the 01 or 06 lens continues to have better quality than the best camera cell phone today.

I'm on the same road.... got the 10D after the 5D, with the full knowledge that I do not need any more cameras. Looking back, it's been a good choice as I can mount a lens on each of them, and as one is full frame, the other crop sensor, it's like doubling up my prime lenses. Even though it's easy to swap lenses, but I do have a big aversion to swapping lenses on the field as these older cameras have no sensor cleaning. I have also been extremely tempted by the 6D.....

I recommend two primes - one for wide angle, and another for portrait / tele. I recommend whole heartedly the EF 85mm F1.8 USM for portraits. The EF 28mm F1.8 USM takes gorgeous landscape shots, but fails miserably at any portrait attempts and shooting people. These two have superb synergy with the 5D. For absolute best (but expensive), my absolute recommendation is the Sigma ART 35mm F1.4. That lens takes the 5D to a whole different level in all areas, but it's not affordable at all. Also, for portrait the 85mm ART would also be the top recommendation, but sadly I do not have that lens.

@@ShutterNChill Thank you my man

Ingenious! Thank you for the tip. :)

Sadly, no. :( Just these videos.

@@ShutterNChill oh I see, I appreciate you taking the time to reply!

@@ShutterNChill have a great day

Here, I present DxO mark measurement data because it has surprised me very much as I expected the Sony to absolutely destroy the 5D in sensor measurements, and it did not. (Details in the video.) Although the data its accessible to everyone, I have not seen a single YT video going into such detail, hence this video. Also, because of that, I gave it a catchy title so that people get a chance to get familiar with sensor measurements. (How practical a sensor measurement is for you, that is a VERY DIFFERENT question. Probably that's why your surprised reaction.) I suspect you reacted to the title without taking into account the actual data presented. Never mind. Thanks for commenting! PS: on RUclips NEVER judge a video by its title!!! Titles must be catchy for the YT algorithm to pick it up and show to public. My advice if you find a video with a weird title and you watch it, then react to it based on its content, and not the title. More often than not the YT titles tell exactly the opposite of what you are going to find in the video. Thanks!

You are imagining things.

So far the Magic Lantern site & all who posted on it said that it does not work on the classic. Was there a change on it? Would be a pretty far stretch as the 5D mk I does not have video capability. Would be nice touch though.

You have just listed my favorite cameras! I am surprised how little attention is to the 7D today, and how extremely low its prices are. What a magnificent camera. I agree with you, this chasing of the latest technology is just a band-aid for people who do not use their cameras, or just failed to learn to use them, and have the mistaken idea that when the camera calculates the exposure values for you, and gives a high resolution image that will be a substitute for having the ability to capture the moment. In my experience the more I let the camera decide for me, the worse my photography got. Sure, lot more "keepers", but all of those "perfect" shots are just getting the "delete" treatment as they say nothing. Going back to the 5D, 10D, my photography / ability to capture the moment has started to improve leaps and bounds. ;

@@ShutterNChill spot on bro. Gear freaks are bound to miss the joy of photograply. In order to augment the joy of organic photography; I have added one full manual focus lens to my arsenal. Using it is real fun.

Talkin about gear freaks.

That might have been a defect with that 5D. I do not see banding with mine, even when I push the exposure to the maximum 3EV. I have heard people with the 5D mk III report severe banding, but that should not happen with the classic or mk II.

Thank you for bringing my attention to darktable. I will try it out, downloading now. I have noticed that options such as automatic lens correction are the main culprits for baking in artifacts (that affects even ISO100). I have heard it as feedback from many professional photographers who said that they are returning to DSLR as cameras for taking photos for themselves as they take much more natural, less baked-in shots. (Although all of them reported that they are keeping the mirrorless for money making projects, as DSLR cannot compete with the speed and ease.) I have done a lot of M50mkII vs 20D/10D/5D comparisons myself, and my observation is that it is MUCH easier to nail a shot with the mirrorless, and most of the shots will be keepers, while with the DSLR only a fraction of the shots are keepers, so I am missing a LOT of moments. However, when I pool together the photos of both cameras of the same shots for a final tally of the 5 best shots of the two combined cameras, usually all 5 are DSLR. Mirrorless, how to say, lacks soul. Not always, and I always see unexpected positive results from mirrorless showing soul (aka superb, dense color information and 3d pop), but they are the exception.

Woah ,does 3d pop character come from lens.. Like Zeiss lens.. Flat' is lens trend today i Guess.. I also have saw some worse picture with 3 pop ,it look Like a two picture paste in A frame.. but paint picture by mirrorless camera is more interesting to me to discover ,thanks for this video,if it true every photographer should know this and Don't let camera manufacturer Lie to them..

That's my second-hand impression of the Sony files available online as well... My photographer friend who has both Canon and Sony told me the same thing you did, that skin tones on the Sony are terrible, he wishes there was a camera that was like a Sony with Canon colors. He uses Sony for some of his filming works, but they strictly stick to Canon for pro photography.

Very interesting! I have a Canon C100, which also works with higher ISOs like the Black Magic. Have not used it much, but I will look out for how DR / and highlights/shadows depend on the ISO.

I think that's a great idea. The 5K screens are amazing, and I think there are no gains to increase resolution beyond that. They will soon become the standard displays, and be affordable.

Thank you, I will follow up on that! ;) I agree fully, they produce absolutely fantastic natural images at minimal cost. They require skills though, but I take that as a positive. I think they are cameras for those who know how to take a shot, and to take shots with great light. They are direct cameras: good photographer = good result. Great light = great result. Inexperienced photographer = poor result. Poor light = poor result...

Thank you! ; )

Yes, that is a real issue indeed. A "6MP" sensor is a 1.5MP blue, 1.5MP red, and 3MP green sensor... so, much less color info than luminosity, it works better for monochrome than color... no wonder the success of the Leica monochromes, which have true pixel per pixel counts. The Canon C100 has a 8MP sensor that they internally scale down to 2MP (1080p), so it has much better colors than the 2MP suggests. Surprisingly, the colors on this 6MP sensor are astonishingly good, I think the large pixels collect enough light to make rich color readout, even given the actual (pretty low) 1.5MP worth of color information. Given the 1.5MP is very close to the 2MP of a 1080p screen... probably that's why it works so well for viewing the images on 1080p.

Thank you for your kind comment. Anyway, I changed the title, was attracting too much riff-raff. I still do not get it how come people are so ignorant on how channels MUST give video titles to get any views at all... Do not blame me, blame the RUclips algorithm that kills every channel that names their videos with 100% accurate titles. I hope you noticed that what I said in the video had nothing to do with 10D destroying A7RV, just called attention to the fact that it does better at 3 DxO metrics out of 4 at all its working range. Nothing more, nothing less. Cheers, good luck on all your affairs, and I wish you to run into more sensible and practical people than I did with this video!

@@ShutterNChill yea i get you with yt needing click bait titties, but this was but too far fetched because his negligible the difference at the pixel lvl were, and title attracted mostly people that already knew it, and came kind of expecting this. You could go with something like "is this xx years old camera really better at pixel level that a7rV" you would attract people who don't know this and could maybe learn something. Probably less views but perhaps of the right kind of people for the channel. Anyway, best of luck to you

@@Deruzejaku I will go along those lines in the future. This was my first attempt at testing the waters. Everyone seems strained today. Probably big channels got where they were by banning angry commenters left and right. Anyway, as the channel name suggests, I will keep titles chill in the future.... not planning to grow channel anyway, more important to keep good company. Thank you for your helpful suggestion! Cheers, Janos

A7sII Because the A7sIII is just pixel binning, 4 pixels to make one large pixel, it really has similar performance to A7sII in dynamic range and low light performance but the A7sIII has way better noise reduction, removing a lot of the ugly pink noise that was common on the A7sII at higher ISO's

Yes, thank you. That would be a more accurate comparison. For this video I just went by what is generally considered as the "latest & greatest" and compare to 20y old antideluvian technology. All A7S-es beat the 10D, so do the R3/R6/R8...

The word he chooses sound to me bias.

imo empirical evidence is more useful than comparing 2 images with inherit bias

Coming on Monday

Actually, modern full-frame cameras haven't significantly improved in color performance or dynamic range. If you're relying heavily on those few extra stops of dynamic range, you might be approaching your photography the wrong way. What has improved are the video capabilities and focus tracking. In other areas, the changes aren't as dramatic. For a real upgrade in photography, medium format cameras are the way to go.

@@bozoc2572 i can‘t speak to color, as I haven‘t tested that as much, but in terms of dynamic range there is well over a stop difference between the 5dii and the 5div, and another stop to the r5. Sensors have improved massively. Also it‘s not that I need extra dynamic range, but rather it occasionally lets me get photos that I couldn‘t get with less. Overall I never really liked the image of the 5dii. it looks weirdly muddy, as if you get noise in bright daylight

The 5Dii was not very good. It focused on video over stills quality. Why even comment if you haven’t used the original 5D? Why?

@@kevrosas1 what are you smoking? can i have some?

@@ChrisThe1I’ve used and owned both. You haven’t. The colours of 5Dii were trash compared to the original 5D. As I said and as it was designed - the 5Dii was focused on video, not stills.

one last thing - in the words of a professional photographer I know " test charts are for amateurs - pros never worry about them " .

:) :) :) Same thing is happening to me!

The jump from the D30 to the D60 was enormous. The D60 has twice the number of pixels, with almost the same noise and dynamic values. Such a leap has never been repeated in such a short time.

The EOS R uses the 5D mk4 sensor.