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Issue with echoes is that it takes too many resources that are isolated/too rigid. You need: an echo, exp tubes, and tuners. You will always have an excess of tuners/echoes because the rate at which they are consumed/used is not the same. Tuners are utterly pointless and I don't see many, if at all, benefits to their existence. You could easily get the stats of an echo at their existing thresholds without them. Echoes cannot be foddered for EXP unless they already have EXP used on them. Because of this, excess echoes can only be used in data bank fusions. Shell credits are used for both the leveling and tuning process, which compounds the usage of waveplates. In Genshin and Honkai Star Rail artifacts/relics already show the stats upon obtaining them. Makes it easy to sort out the useable pieces from fodder. In WuWa, you need to use both EXP and tuners to see their feasibility in your builds. Artifacts/relics can also be used to fodder EXP for pieces you do want to roll. Strongbox/synthesis also have an edge on Data Bank fusion. They're more likely to have better substat rolls (they have a better chance at rolling 4/4 substat lines rather than 3/4) and guarantee a specific set and are always gold. Purples are always used to fodder EXP. Also, the amount of runs you can do within the day with your capped Waveplates only net you 4 runs. This does not really feel rewarding to most players. Especially since many echoes can be farmed in the overwold for most players. Tacet fields should take less stamina and yield more exp. The current echo drops aren't too bad, but should have a skewed rate towards 3 costs, since they have the largest pool of mainstats to pull from. To be honest, the way echoes progress should be overhauled, especially since there are way to many stats to roll from. At least when you get double crit pieces you don't need to try to roll only those stats when leveling echoes as compared to GI/HSR, but that also lowers the ceiling for all the stats you have.

So what tier is he if you suck at the tight timings and rarely pull them off? B tier? lol

Idk why people r tryna rush the game so quick, we’re two weeks in and people already want to have maxed out artifacts.

Sanhua or mortifi for calcharo?

you are my favorite content creator for this game by far so far. while everyone goes out and tries to get their yapping clickbait video in as fast as possible to beat the algorithm you come in with well structed hard data and i really respect it man. please dont become "one of them".

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I like how u chose to be different and not generic

I don't think i't's quite as bad as it sounds since you can feed your bad rolled pieces into a new one and only lose like 25% of the exp.

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I think the current echo system is alright. Maybe for those who likes to min max everything it is bad? Idk

I dont understand a word this man is saying 🧍🏻‍♀

Yeah, this is a big problem. I’m union level 40 and expected a big jump in rewards, but no. It takes forever to get echo leveling and tuning materials.

Increasing echo exp and tuners only makes sense if they plan on releasing many new echos and sets with future updates. Cause otherwise whats the point in playing after having one good set per char?

Also they need to do something with purple tuners..

I'm curious are people actually at union lvl 40 already? how did you get that data if not? I've played pretty constantly since release and have done most if not all sidequests as well and I think i'm only at 35 or 36.

I just wanted to start playing this game, and guess what advice my little brother gave me with a very serious face? "Never touch the Tacet Field until you're level 40." And nervously, I nodded at him. He can be quite intimidating sometimes. And he continued, "People complain about echo materials because they still think this is genshin, where you can sacrifice your trash artifacts to enhance one artifact with god tier stats. No, those bastards need to start changing their mindset. Don't push too hard to level up echoes or chase after god tier stats. Just use purple echoes if necessary or just level up your gold echoes to level 15 first."

I feel like it's fine, but I play casually. You log in, get your exp, try a few of your gears, log out and touch grass. Pretty common gameplay loop, imo.

I mean i agree it could be better but unlike genshin you can farm ekkos pretty infinetly and for echo xp there are a ton of activities that provide a decent amount. But the biggest thing not mentioned in this video is you can feed the old level 25 echos to your new echos and sure you take an 80% cut but for me the echo leveling hasn't been that bad, due to this. Still a great video and thank you for all the data.

They need to revamp the whole system to allow a smooth use of all materials, if you farm echoes you have no exp if you farm exp you either lack tuners or the exp to test them, its really annoying, after spending all my resources i got 2 good pieces for 2 different sets and now im stuck.

lol the event needed to be 4x to be useful to spend any of your waveplates on. Tacet fields are one of the most unrewarding part of this game rn

I legit did Tacet fields a few times and got so disgusted by lame rewards I didn't do em ever again and I'm onion level 40

Althought I do agree that the exp grind is really bad, we have to admit that the rng for gear in this game is way less frustrating than honkai/genshin/epic7 who have the same system: get piece of gear with random stat, finally get a piece of gear with good substats, now pray to rngesus to get the rolls on those stats 5 times in a row. In this game if you roll crit/crit dmg or whatever stat you need that's it, you don't need to roll more on that stat which is a freaking blessing imo. I do hope they boost the exp to at least match maxing an echo a day or something though :(

I knew the echo exp situation was bad but I was not aware just how bad. Maybe I would have been better off not knowing. Hoping for positive changes I guess.

TLDW; Problem is not solved.

I feel the echo issues is temporary and will resolve itself once we get to maximum union level. Personaly I'm more concerned about really, really good gear being too easy to obtain.

The simple change of them alloving us to use unleveled echoes to level echoes would help SO much. It's genuenly obnoxious at this point, that they've adressed how fucked it is, yet they STILL don't want to solve it in this way. If you give players a keys to lambo week one, yet you are dosing fuel to such a dumb degree, with potential to get a bit more MONTHS down the line - what the actual fuck are you doing? That and having something break daily (today's victim is a Loot Finder) honestly start to work on my nerves.

Echo exp does feel very tedious and slow to grind. Curious to see what changes Kuro is gonna make edit: spelling

For me, i have been building my other characters, but i REALLY like how it is to main rover, wont stop me from simping for Yinlin though 0.0

i think tacet fields are ok, its just everyone are too low account level and want everything right here and right now. Its not how gacha games work

getting my first golden electro heron with electro main stat after playing for so long (from merge btw) i dont realy see myself leveling it to 5 and scrapping it if i dont get crit. if my yinlin will have 40/190 crit, it will stay that way for probably months

I can't wait to an echo revamp... if I'm spending that much resin I need more materials from the TD fields.

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how does tuning work???????????????????????

The only true sub dps in this game rn is mortify.

is calcharo yinlan and jianxin a good team? cause i use my verina on my main team and i want baizhi on my 3rd team...

What is from filler rotation, shhare to allies, gain from allies in the ER table, i cant understand.

I just don't see how it's worth cutting her dps by 20% to give your main dps a 12% damage buff from heron and a att% buff from moonlit. You get the outro skill basic attack buff no matter what echo build you run. The only way it could possibly be better is if the att% buff from moonlit is the equivalent of 4%+ damage increase. Hell the att% buff could be valued at a 10% damage increase and still would be barely better than 5p glacio, and I don't think 22% att% is valued at a 10% damage buff. I could be wrong.

dam i need 45 to get the sword :L

this what i was searching for THANK YOU BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you think taoqi has split scaling you are playing her wrong. she's like Clara in HSR if you try to force her into hyper carry shes meh but if you try to play her own way she's great.

what about 4-4-1-1-1?

We really need 3 teams?

are you sure his best weapon is jiyans weapon?

how are we supposed to interpret the crit dmg stat goal? since every character stars with 150%, do you mean 100-120 on top of that? and is it the same for other stats?

what weapons btw

imo Chixia is an underrated character, if you know how to play with her and correctly build her, she's able to make insane dmg + in some critical fighting situation she can be usefull on long range, when i pulled in standard banner i've got a lot of chixia dupes, i need one more chixia to complete her " constelation " stats, and i need also the best weapon, my team is the starting team Rover havoc, Yangyang and chixia, next step, i just need to find the 2 best characters to team up with chixia

Imagine rating characters that you have no idea how to use or how they scale into late game. Getting tired of these “tier lists”

jianxin is always left behind

i have calcharo and jyan but dont have any good weapon for then, and im saving for yinlin, so the broadblade seems to be the best choice. the question is: it is worth to keep wasting standart pulls on character standart banner or pull on the standart weapon banner?