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When you are using the Crown, eliminate the Douk volume control altogether. The Crown has it's own controls conveniently on the front, unlike the Parasound, and you eliminate a pair of cables, a second attenuator and less hardware (jacks). Just from a " keep it simple" perspective. My best, always, MrD.

How do they compare to traditional subs because I find my subs to be too booming and I'm thinking about going open baffle

I think Jay Lee may have tried the original LRS with the Crown amp.

I have a separate video that’s dedicated to the Nobsound

This is a perfect video for me at the moment. I’m about to order the Nobsound volume control in lieu of a “real” preamp with a Pereaux power amp I got at a yard sale. So I’m gonna study your comments closely. 😊 Thx

But these will mess with your impedance right.... I hear you say, there, is not messing, but the way an alps potentiometer works will impact impedance - that is they way they make the gain less by design!

Did you try with some very simple Xover....

Great review..I bought my forte 1’s new, they’re paired with a highly modified pair of Dynakit Mark 111’s by JBL”s Bob Hovland..also have the JBL SA600..Also have a single forte 2.. near field listening reveals a more focused sound on the 1’s vs a diffused sound on the 2’s…in any case paired with a Panasonic vt60 plasma makes for an amazing home theater & or Sterio set up…

I like the qrp because it sounded clearer,and if it has more bass it sacrificed the high clarity, and its authentic and is from SME records. What does each demo a and b represent? Its confusing! And i f*****g hate grey market vinyls!

Hey, how can I contact you with some questions about Lii-Song drivers?

Really like my Vidar 2. Runs a little warm on 4 ohm Audio Physic Padua towers but no shut downs or problems. Sound signature is very balanced and dynamic. Perfect match with Freya Noval preamp

I had one (SX-950) as a Trade to get someone out of Debt while in Germany in the Army! Traded it and bought a Kenwood Super 11 that sounded great but sucked Eggs when Pushed. By 1982 I gave up on tying to get a SX 1280, never really wanted the 1980, man if I were given a Do Over. Anyway, I heard the SX-9's 125 Watts p/c that was a conservative Rating. SX-9 looks funny but Killed or matched any Receiver in the Barracks, yes even AMPs and Pre-AMPs. My Heresy Speakers are only good for the Rear Channel. The Cornwall's were made for receivers like that. Oh and like My SX-9 sounds better and a Bud messed up speakers because he didn't look at the Volume, no hiss sound to warn him. The second phono is for MC = Moving Coil! This had a Lower Volume than a Moving Magnet stage but had higher Resolution. The Loudness switch is for Lower volume. Turning it on is like increasing the Bass and Treble Knobs. Those clips are are called Couplings! My set up was middle of the Road; Phase Linear Series 2 Range Expander Noise Reduction Unit Akai 636D Reel to Reel SX-9 Pioneer CT-F 1050 Cassette Deck (Silver) Pioneer Reverb AMP and a Timer that both Matched the Receiver (soft Gold or Champaign). Kenwood Video Processor KVC-570 with dbx. Pioneer PL-400 Turn Table with MC Pioneer Cart (Mat Silver) Pioneer CS-922a's, the 270 Watt each speaker Small set of JVC speakers on the B side. SX-9 specs. Power output: 125 watts per channel into 8Ω (stereo) Frequency response: 5Hz to 100kHz Total harmonic distortion: 0.005% Damping factor: 50 Input sensitivity: 0.25mV (MC), 2.5mV (MM), 150mV (line) Signal to noise ratio: 67dB (MC), 80dB (MM) Output: 150mV (line), 1V (Pre out) Dimensions: 420 x 151 x 448mm Weight: 15.1kg

I enjoy your videos. I am in the process of building a Latino ST-70 as well as restoring an un-working highly modified vintage ST-70. Also built two of those decware zkit-1 amps from parts to replace the amplification inside an old stereo console to great effect.

Reporting back... I went and bought a ToneWinner AD-2Pro+ integrated amplifier, my buddy compares it to a $12,000 Mark Levinson integrated his friend owns, he bought one too. Anyhow, you can hook up two pair of speakers and play both at the same time, Speaker A, Speaker B or A/B, very old school, and very cool. For giggles, I tried running the LRS+ with the Zu's, and was blown away at the sound. The Zu's are sensitive at 95db, where the Maggies are a bit quieter to the Zu's due to sensitivity. But Holy Smokes Doc, running these simultaneously is incredibly pleasing to the ears, the way the Maggies fill and expand the sound is incredible. I liken this to using a subwoofer, an accessory that enhances the overall sound quality. Two weeks ago, I picked up a pair of the Fyne Audio F500SP bookshelf speakers, they are still breaking in, but sound incredible. I went ahead and broke out my Fosi ZA3 amplifiers, I have two, paired them via XLR to the Maggies to take the stress off of my ToneWinner amplifier, and Katy bar the door! Same results, incredible sound. My point? These Maggies, at this price point, and a couple of inexpensive Fosi amps... If I was Magnepan, I would be selling these as audio fillers, or a hotrod for speakers, another accessory like a subwoofer. Everyone that has heard this setup has been very impressed. And these little Fosi ZA3 amps work incredibly well with the Maggies. ;-)

They look so different from the vintage Crown amps of 1960s and 1970s. Like the 300 DC amp. All made in the US of course. Where are they all?

I like your channel. I’m hooked on getting a St35, and enjoyed your input. My buddy has these. I would suggest the Magna Riser stands. Give him a call to pick the right ones. I found Danny’s video at GR Research interesting too. He upgrades speaker via DIY kits. The crossover parts definitely deserve an upgrade.

Driving my Focal Aria 948s with the XLS 2502 for 5 years now. Nothing comes close to it, not even ex Rotel power amp which costs nearly 8 times the price. People say it robs the soundstage depth, I say it doesnt do a thing to the soundstage. If there is no depth in the recording, it will be presented as so. A well engineered power amp wont add to anything, it just supplies power. If I want additional depth, I would be looking at playing with the pre or dac. The only down thing I have to say about the XLS 2502 is the noise floor, I can hear a faint buzz when I put my ears directly next to tweeters but it disappears at 1 feet away. This with the gain knobs at 3 o'clock. I have had the chance to compare it next to my friend's Benchmark AHB2 (on the KEF Reference 1 Meta) and the only difference we heard was the AHB2 had a darker background and played a little cleaner. Dont forget, the Benchmark is regarded by most professionals as the world's most accurate amp, the XLR2502 holds its own at a fraction of the price, and has way more power, something the Reference 1 Metas will never need. It distorts before either of the amps start to lose steam. 😂😂😂

Tube pre + class d =👌🏼Some great new d class amps out there now. I’ve been curious about the new Hypex Nilai power amp or monos. The Nilai is supposed to be very special and smooth. Compared favorably against Pass Labs in some pairings.

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What D/A converter are you using now? Thanks for your insight on the Crown 2502....Many thanks for your ongoing work here. It is much appreciated.

Thanks for this video. Curious how the Crown sounds with the Klipsch Fortes. Could you do a sound demo video with the Forte and this amp vs something like the ST35 or ST70?

I fully agree. I had 2 Vidar hooked up as monoblocks driving the LRS+ but then swapped out for the Crown 2502. The Crown sounds better to my ear and is much cheaper than the VIdar x 2, which I moved to use with another set of speakers.

A preamp is a high gain amplifier that feeds a power amplifier, it doesn't mean that it's just before the power amp, it's PREAMPLIFICATION. It's impossible to have a passive preamp, you can not amplify passively, it's not possible! If you took your isolated pot out of its box and put it in a power amplifier would you call it a preamplifier? Of course not! The reason we have preamplification is to boost low level signals to a level that the power amp can utilize. If we leave out the preamp then the only gain is from the power amp but power amps are not high gain devices so they may not be able to reach their full output power without preamplification. This is why you have to crank up your Nob, your omitting an amplification stage and things like dynamics can suffer. Listen to the dynamic range of your music with and without the a preamplifier, if the power amp doesn't have enough internal gain the dynamic range will suffer. We can measure this with instruments and most people can hear it but not everyone. An alps, or any other potentiometer, in a box is purely resistive. Yes, it can not change the impedance of a circuit BUT it can load a circuit and change it's characteristics just like a pot within a circuit, the only difference is it's in its own box. The only way to stop it from affecting the circuit is with a buffer within the main amplifier or after the pot, your pot in a box IS affecting your circuit regardless whether it's a Shiit or a Nob unless there's a buffer circuit in the line. This is just basic engineering, it doesn't change regardless whether we're talking about amplifiers or oscilloscopes.

A lot of audiophiles are going to be mad that you're getting great sound out of a $750 amp while they're spending tens of thousands.

wow, a very good sound 😮 Is there an external Dac between your CD-Player and the Aretha? Do you check the sound with your little passiv preamp from Novsound? Some Crowns have a digital crossover. How good sound the LRS activ? Thankyou for your engaging work ❤

Maggie's ❤ power 😊 Clarisys R&D $10k 🔊 Won't need big amps

I have an XLS 1502 Drivecore 2 powering Polk Audio R700s. Killer!

Can anyone explain the tie downs? Maggies above the LRS+ have 3 tie downs per speaker. With LRS+ one speaker has 3 while the other only has 1.

I’m looking for a high current amp with common ground to drive my Polk Audio SDA 1C. Any suggestions?

It's a great affordable solution but in my experience it destroys the soundstage (deepness in particular) compared to my other amps: Primaluna Prologue, Pass XA25 and Bryston 3B. The soundstage with the XLS is extremely flat for my taste. But taking price into the equation the XLS is a great option!! I tried other affordable class-d amps (LA90s) and were more expensive but not much better than XLS.

Thanks drD I'm still on my search for an integrated or receiver to replace my Outlaw RR 2160 MkII which in my opinion sounds good but seems under powered with the LRS+. I purchased a REL T/Zero a couple days ago based on your recommendation with the LRS+; it sounds great. I may consider this Crown as an option because I can run the Outlaw in preamp mode. I was also considering a Rotel 1592 MkII but at $3400 it's a little cost prohibitive for my budget. Does that Crown display remain bright like that at all times? Jay probably doesn't like Crown because he doesn't really listen to or test with refined music like straight jazz or classical that sound best with revealing amps and speakers such as the LRS+. Just my observation and his preference.

I agree with him about the bass ,since I've parted with my krells 650 mono Blocks , the speed and the fast rhythmic Drive and bass slam have never been the same

How many watts is your power amp? I bought a Reisong A10 its great along with my sony receiver and sub with bluetooth. I received the Bellari yesterday it sounds good too im just barley have the knobs at noon

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Could you tell me what kind of amplifiers you are using here?

Great videos. Just discovered your channel yesterday. Where can one buy these amps? Assembled.

Ridiculous comparison. Schitt Tyr monoblocks should have been used.

Thx! always helpful.

What about Topping B200?

The Vidar is a great amp for sure. Had it for almost a year before it kept going bad with this problem or that (blown caps in power supply, output device going kaput, etc). Had to send it to Schiit multiple times. Anyway the whole experince turned me off to the idea of buying another schiit unit. I hope they can up the QC game on their end. They're a small team but that doesn't mean you can compromise on performance.

always watching, always amazed, always wandering, always.................

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Yes, the x-overs are the weak point in all Maggie’s . Check out gr Research videos on this

When the Forte II was released I was quick to trade in my Forte Is hoping for improvement. Within two weeks I returned them, finding them a bit brash, with a distinct glare in the upper midrange. Like yourself, I much prefer the smaller midrange horn and the phenolic tweeter. A more relaxed and forgiving presentation than subsequent iterations. Thankfully, someone had performed the same trade and I was able to revert back to the Forte I, despite my own pair having sold while I was auditioning the Forte II! Enjoyed the review. Cheers!

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Just curious, why do the LRS look asymmetrical ? one with one damper and the other with two? Thanks for the review. I run the 1.7 and Ken Kreisel subs. Sound great, but will look into the active xover...

just gor my ST70 and PAS3 from Kenny. So far I love them both. I did notice on this video that the screws that hold the cover in place are not there. It is suggested to put them back in if you remove the cover. Any thoughts?

Is it true about the rumors that I hear, that these old pioneer receivers are louder then what is labeled on the back of them?

Thanks for your presentation. Forte Four owner here, AND, Martin Logan Classic 9's too. Love line source TRUE dipole designs. Weather foil or electrostatic, there is just something about them ❤.

Sorry , but the Forte sound the best. More clear, more balanced