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Seth Shostak talk on Fermi Paradox in Cosmism Foundation
The next event was devoted to the "eerie silence" of the Universe.
Enrico Fermi was an Italian physicist, who was awarded the 1938 Nobel Prize in Physics. In response to a lunch time discussion about extraterrestrials, he asked the question “Where is Everybody?” Dr. Shostak is the Senior Astronomer and Director, Center for SETI research.
Enrico Fermi was an Italian physicist, who was awarded the 1938 Nobel Prize in Physics. In response to a lunch time discussion about extraterrestrials, he asked the question “Where is Everybody?” Dr. Shostak is the Senior Astronomer and Director, Center for SETI research.
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What will the advent of advanced AI and robotics mean for humanity?
There may be intelligence on a water planet or in a gas giant floating around and thinking about life , the universe and everything but without the ability to forge metal or make glass in thier environment they can never make the technology to contact us .
A wonderful talk by Seth Shostak. Always informative and enjoyable. Thank you Seth. Kind wishes. Joan Nagase.
Answer to the Fermi Paradox. Go look in the mirror
Trump
The answer to the Fermi Paradox.There is a beautiful loving Universe many people claim they experience when they are undergoing an NDE. Long before any Advanced Civilization gains the technology necessary for Interstellar Travel - they find a way to escape to that Universe. In other words, it is technologically easier to get to that other very pleasant and safer place, than it is to develop the Type II Civilization Technology necessary for Interstellar Travel. This explains why we have found no sign of an Advanced Alien Civilization anywhere in our Universe.
The aliens, are invisible?
Inteligent life is rare on earth you have miliarde species only the man is clever and need to have water mond and one big planet behind maybee only one in one galaxire like man existed and only last 100 years man have Technology
One of the greatest scientific questions of all time was inspired by a tuna fish sandwich?
Pretty much humans and aliens if any are pretty dumb and will never find each other. 🥺
This man believes to much.. heys obsesed about aliens
If this is the quality of their Skype call I don't think they will find ant ET👽👽
Speaking of transmissions, the slow scan of Seth in this RUclips upload is truly primitive. How ironic.
Who the hell wants to live in a can for 50-100 years? Seems to me that intelligent beings want to stay home and garden and play with their pets and children. If they like their planet they want to live near it, in orbital stations that are enormous, with transport back and forth. If there are other planets in their system worth living on, then maybe, maybe not. But interstellar without warp drive? Forget it.
See ‘to the stars academy’ renders all this redundant.
You are an IDIOT ffs to think that anything that fool has to say even makes sense? He is deluded ,but thanks for making me laugh,that was great........
QUANTUMquest The billionaire salesman cowboy ‘that fool’ ...who Tom DeLonge?
@@MultiBikerboy1 the fact he made a lot of money from music doesn't make him an instant genius when it comes to High Strangeness etc. I personally think TTSA is super sus and tbh they seem to have an agenda....which is to monetise the most intangible hearsay as much as they possibly can. They are fantastic at stringing people along and producing very very meh results. If you want real research and some actual integrity, check out Richard Dolan and his wife, Tracy.....they have an amazing youtube channel with some really amazing interviews. TTSA crap on about pushing disclosure...yeah...if it happens...IF.....it'll have bugger all to do with DeLonge and his super suspicious freinds. TTSA is a circle jerk group for muppets and jerks with over-inflated egos and a misguided sense of their own importance......they've been around for half a decade plus...and produced?.....not much at all. A whole lot of hot air
Vincent Najger Hi Vincent, thanks for the observations and the steer to Rich Dolan and his wife Tracy. You are right Rich Dolan is certainly the man where this subject is concerned. However can I be bold enough to suggest that you maybe confusing commentators with players. Rich is a fantastic commentator together with the late Stan Friedman and Grant Cameron plus others. But they are commentators, the players,the real people who have access to all the info which would change the world overnight are members by and large of Alphabet agency’s, and CEO’ of private defences contractors. Step forward the TTSA. Only time will tell of course if they produce the goods, I saw a saucer one evening in the 70’s I know this tech exists....will the TTSA bring it out? Dunno 5 years time and we’ll all know I reckon.
We are looking for radio waves??? Really ? What part of empty space can transmit a signal? Inside our solar system there is a high concentrations of ions for a radio wave to be carried on. At what point does the density of ions or atoms in interstellar space fall to a point that a radio wave can't be sustained for us to detect?
Its not expensive if a civilisation doesnt deal with money.
The answer to Fermi’s paradox seems fairly simple, if they are out there, then maybe the nearest is just very far away in space and time, and maybe no matter the level of technological advancement, interstellar travel is simply extremely difficult even for more advanced civilizations. For all we know the nearest advanced civilization might be on the other side of the galaxy, or maybe not even in our galaxy at all. It’s conceivable that the Milky Way might only have one or two advanced civilizations capable of radio astronomy. Another real possibility is that they just simply aren’t aware of us at all. Another possibility that I don’t hear discussed much is that we can assume that an alien civilization would have undergone its own unique evolution and might very well have a totally different body chemistry and shape than we do. Maybe they could attain high technology capable of radio astronomy but for whatever reason would not be space faring species, due to some physical constraints which required them to remain on their home world. Such a species might be capable of transforming their own world technologically, but incapable of spaceflight or maybe they simply had no concept of spaceflight for whatever reason. There could as Sagan suggested be many roads to high technology. I think the likeliest explanation is that the nearest civilization is very far away, and probably has no clue of earth’s existence. If we find a signal, it might be some kind of beacon not to get our attention in particular but anyone’s. Of course I could be wrong and there could be an advanced technological civilization around 50 light years away that we have not detected, we just can’t know unless or until we get a signal, either tomorrow or a hundred years from now.
Rob J ...Rob...see ‘to the stars academy’ the game’s over for these SETI clowns.
Why be so nasty?
Seth, you and i have spoken many times over email and you'll recall the questions i asked you and what you responded to me. With the DOD finally coming out and admitting about their project of tracking UFO's and other phenomena, and what they've disclosed, can i now assume that you were lying to me? Why didn't you just come clean right from the beginning of our talks? Now you have lost all credibility with me. I knew you guys were in a cover up, but you refused to admit it. So disappointed in you.
Margote ...Shostak never had any credibility with me.....a stand up comic who rubbished UFO reports...well he’s lain on the tracks for decades and now the train’s coming....don’t look it could get messy.
@@MultiBikerboy1 Unfortunately, Seth did have credibility with me through the years. We had many meaningful discussions on the UFO issues, but i'm beginning to understand that his hands were tied when you're being funded by a certain level of the government, you just do what you're told and nothing more. Now, the issue of actual aliens or another race of whether they're here on earth already and have been for thousands of years is a different topic altogether. DeGasse and others still believe it's a black group within the government who have the advanced technology and have been doing these "trial runs" in our skies for years, but i don't buy it for many reasons too long to get into on here.
Margote ...well where is the truth......does anyone really know where it begins and ends? I certainly don’t...all I KNOW is that super advanced silent tech exists, as a saucer flew over my house in the U.K. at 1,000 feet one evening in the 70’s just as Bob Lazar described them, only saw it for 4 secs but it changed my life.......everything else is speculation. To the stars academy are the so called ‘deep state’ finally stepping out into the sunlight....if they get the tech my friends and I saw that evening over 45 years ago, into the public domain then everything changes and possibly the planet get’s saved. Did I invest in them...damn right I did. History will judge Seth Shostak just the same as Carl Sagan, Frank Drake and Enrico Fermi.....as well meaning schmucks.....but they ignored and rubbished with alacrity numerous testimony from credible witnesses including pilots military and civilian plus air traffic controllers who reported silent flying discs. Not interested in any possible hidden agendas they may or may not have been following....that as well will just be speculation....their fault not mine.
@@MultiBikerboy1 Understand and agree, but these nayers as mentioned in your comment are denying everything for a reason. Let's add Degasse & Nyes to that as well. Why? I wish i knew. I think even if ET came out of its craft and shook their hands they'd still deny it somehow. Again, why? Something is either going to happen in the near future that they know about and maybe don't want to panic the people? Maybe? I wish i knew.
Super cool!
"It's too expensive." As if aliens who are vastly more advanced than us even care about expenses.
that;s the point, THEY are here :)
Where's the evidence? Tabloid newspapers and InfoWars excluded.
To the individual who thinks humor and science are mutually exclusive: First, trying to explain why this (isn’t so) to you is like teaching a pig to sing. It’s a waste of time and it annoys the pig. (A paraphrasing of a Robert Heinlein quote). Isn’t it amazing that nowhere in Jewish mythology (aka the bible) is there a mention of Jesus or his twelve men (!) followers laughing. All religions carry this to an extreme where laughing (at worst) gets one thrown into slavery or (at least) murdered. The latest rumor is that the parting of the oceans has resulted in a direct land route from New York/DC to Israel. Jews get free passage but all others have to pay. 😎 The Nazis were temporarily released from hell and had to to do the digging. 😎😎
Nice meme
If the questions being asked are an example of average human intelligence, then you have your answer why aliens might see us as no more than ants
Fermi paradox for dummies. Check out Isaac Arthur's work.
Nope.
Dec 2017....the Pentagon releases incredible footage of UFO’s...... starting the disclosure of the alien interaction with this planet. Poor old Seth...he never impressed me , he was unable to join up the dots sufficiently. Guess he thought all those pilots military and civilian, plus air traffic controllers who reported silent flying discs were making it all up.....oh dear.
.... if they close seti , the likes of him are off the gravy train
Technically Brilliant ...yep...be glad to see the back of....
Dec 2017....the Pentagon releases incredible footage of UFO’s. Unidentified is the keyword here, it's unidentified! So it MUST BE blah blah blah, WRONG, there is no "must be", it's unidentified so how can you know what it is? quit with the BS!
NC 687 .....there are only two possibilities here...sure it’s unidentified but it’s performing manoeuvres way beyond the level of known physics ....no wings no tail rotors no exhaust heat signature....SO it’s either made by humans or it’s not. If it;s made by humans then the US or a foreign country is fooling US pilots and outstripping them in the air. Stay in your seat the show’s only just started and it;s going to be a biggie.
@@MultiBikerboy1 the B2 Spirit has those signatures
How do small men take away their own Creator ?? Then put out that in space the spiritual side of things is everywhere !! But still not understanding the importance of our own existence !! Sure as fake scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson says ?? We are Stardust ?? Then fools show you a week latex AI ?? Nothing more then a joke and toy !! While men like Jodie Rhodes creator of the d-wave ?? He tells you plainly what is coming and what will be !! Man trying to make their own god !! Not The God or Savior !! But something made with hands !! For the same things been going on for thousands of years !! With wood , metal and stone !! To worship and bow down to are created thing ?? But deny the Creator ! How sad !! And I think a great crazy ass man ?? William Shatner !! Science fiction and science are the same thing !! Made up b******* by men in white coats !! But we believe everything they say ! Why ?? Because they have pretty white coats !! God bless !!
Why does he assume that they have a currency/money?
I think he meant expenditure of resources and time and energy rather than "money".
These aliens would have to transmit thousands of watts for thousands of years in all directions for SETI to see it MAYBE in a massive co incidence of time. Ask yourself why it isn't feasible for us to to do this for a few thousand years and then wait some more thousands for maybe a response. That begins to answer this question though use of massive energy by an advanced civilization should be visible (or create dark spots) all through the universe. SETI's own policy says it will not answer a signal and will not neccessarily tell anyone. SETI is a great attempt but still way too primitive and fleeting to hear anything unless with lottery chances. Worth doing if only to show ourselves how we might actually detect other intelligence in future. The insects in the garden not eating everything was good and not something I had considered in the FERMI paradox. That we could be alone is an impossible notion - the only thing crazier than saying there is company out there is saying there isn't.
He thinks he's just fucking hilarious.
All comedy is a risk. You can never know if a joke will work or fall flat as he did in his comments about his brother being a dim bulb and the crack about there being only one good thang about being old.
SETI stands for 'Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence' NOT 'Search For Extraterrestrial Life' . Terrestrial intelligence seems to be seriously lacking here
Clearly the Aliens use a much more advanced form of communication than radio. However; in order to receive the instructions for building this more complicated technology; you have to get them by primitive radio; since thats all we've got at the moment. Keep searching. Yes we Primitives are still under the mandate of the sluggish speed of light.
who is vlad, mentioned so often?
Ben ftw
Usually a paradox is the result of a flaw in the question.
Why assume aliens would rapidly expand to fill the galaxy? I bet we won't want to either.
Usually a paradox is the result of a flaw in the question.
How have you got expensive looking kit and still have so much noise on your audio?
looking forward to WW3. no one will ever hear us.
We are not going to have WW3 - people know it is Pointless.
27:09 Seth is great to listen to. But the 10-hour figure is completely wrong. In its orbit around the sun, the earth travels a distance equal to its own diameter in 7 minutes. So only a few minutes of delay would have prevented the dinos from going extinct
4:05 Criminals in Sydney? COming from a country with dreadful gun control and mass shooting, this is an inappropriate comment. I thought you were better than that Seth Shostak.
+jeremy western I think You,re right of course! Calling us criminals - hilarious! . I'm now looking forward to the racist and sexist jokes! A real knee slapper!
+Ronald McCoy oh lighten up ya grouch... Your photo does ya justice mate
+jeremy western www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/cant-you-take-a-joke-love-why-the-banter-isnt-funny-anymore?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
It is so incredibly stupid to think that machines can THINK .. guys .. read "The emperors new mind" ... It hurts to see people misunderstand "intelligence" so much ... its like not knowing 1+1=2 .... please educate yourself on Consciousness! Damn!
Looking forward to the StarChip!
I think on a world basis with all the religious nut jobs out there such news of aliens would cause problems for those fucking idiots.
Nah it will really help a lot of people. Some religions believe in alien worlds.
You have trouble seeing a flag on the fucking moon, how are you going to see a 50 foot spacetime folding device that travels faster than you can see while youre looking for radiowaves instead of the vehicle? FUuuuuck Offfff. LEAVE NOW AND NEVER COME BACK GOLEM.
travels faster than any current human method of detecting such a ship -the mind boggles at what advanced space faring entities would use to get around .nice comment by the way ,im cracking 50 nowand always thought contact would be in my lifetime ,one can only hope ,to witness a 100 per cent ufo id die a happy bunny
Lecture over Skype, I like that idea!
Yeah. Crazy !
Where do these ignorant superstitious nut jobs come from? Anyone who denies the Fermi paradox is an uneducated degenerate. There are no paradoxes in nature. Try to learn something about science, then it will be obvious that aliens don't exist.
Damian Flynn And that is you're opinion 🖖👽👍
Shut up ya tweek..
Damian Flynn ...hey still watching in 2018?.....get a load of Tom DeLonge and the ‘to the stars academy’...disclosure has started....who’s the ‘nut job’ now?
If ya gonna troll, at least make sense
Damian Flynn ...no reply?....yep...thought not!
You're a USAn, Ben, so you know the disproportionate-to-GDP military budgets of your country. And yet not one mention of the military industrial complex's role in the future. Did you just shut your eyes tight and wish it away?
Why does Ben have to even think about it? Pretty sure he lives in Hong Kong and his wife is Chinese. The technology that is coming will make most governments irrelevant.
One day, but not for awhile, and it could be a rocky road to that end. Thinking this will all just sort itself out smoothly is naive. No one should be ignoring the huge possibilities of what could go wrong if we aren't careful.
He's a leftist, so he agrees with you
goertzel.org/OpenCollaboration.pdf
+Nicki LovesDogs Thanks!
Awesome talk... Love your enthusiasm!