Wow. British people are bad-ass. The lady with the horn rim glasses just nonchalantly talking about half of her being on fire and being roasted…. just like she was discussing a trip to the grocery store. stone cold she is.
21:40 More than a 360 degree turn - The plane hit something and that made it go 90 degree sudden turn (spin) for one second long, then Nth thru East, but, then opposite direction to Nth to west then nth again. Like a shuddering banging about going left to right for a five seconds. Would have been a hell of a ride.
Pilot can't remember, pretty convenient seeing as how the cause turned out to be fuel starvation to the engines due to mismanagement of the fuel supply by the aircrew (pilot, copilot and/or engineer). Simply put, the pilot (and those he commanded) FAILED to do their JOB by neglecting to maintain proper fuel management, thus starving the engines of fuel.
From your comment, I will assume that you have never piloted an aircraft of any sort.... From WW2 onwards, aircraft and the systems therein became exponentially more complex; accidents happened, and far too often the cause was quoted simply as 'Pilot error'. If that attitude had persisted, commercial air travel would be infinitely more dangerous than it is today. Thankfully, the realisation came that it would be far better to investigate *how and why* the error took place and fix them, rather than simply villifying the pilot - who was often dead. Was it bad maintenance (such as the reversed rpm gauge feeds in this video)? Ambiguous instruments? Badly designed controls (such as the appallingly positioned crossfeed controls in this aircraft)? Poor system design (the Engineers didn't believe the reverse crossfeed draining the starboard tanks could happen)? Bad communication (BOAC and Canadair knew about this issue more than ten years before this accident but didn't think it would be a good idea to publicise it!)? So yes... the pilot failed to make sure the controls were pushed those last few degrees...... but the position of them made operating them awkward, and seeing they were fully home impossible. Also no pilot (in fact nobody at all) in BM knew that would be a dangerous issue in this type of aircraft *only*........ Plus the designers designed a system that would do something unexpectedly dangerous when what should have been a very minor error was made........ Plus Canadair didn't bother to tell everyone when they found out something deadly would happen if the control wasn't moved the final few degrees....... Simply put, there is no 'Simply put'. The pilot was at the end of a long chain of possibilities to avoid these deaths - he was unfortunately the one whom it is easiest to blame as you do. Next time you get on an aircraft, be thankful that it is so safe because the aviation industry no longer holds blinkered attitudes such as yours.
Holy shît, English people sound gåy. The gâyest on planet Earth. Before you chime in about "proper English", I don't give a fück. I wish we spoke a different language than the ancient colonizers. Blöw me.
Murcan tw@t.... do you realise that the first time you elected that imbecile Trump, Murca confirmed itself as the laughing stock of the world? Just to make it even funnier, looks like you might do the same moronic thing again!
WHAT AN AMAZING THING TO WATCH. I LOVE INVESTIGATIONS OF ALL THINGS, KEEPS THE MIND ACTIVE. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE PILOT BECAUSE HE HAS TO NOW LIVE IN AN UNCOMPLETE LIFE, OF COURSE I FEEL OR ALL THE FAMILIES WHO LOST LOVED ONES. WHEN ONE WATCHES THESE PROGRAMMES IT DOES MAKE ONE A BIT SCARED OF GOING BY AIR AGAIN. HAVING SAID THAT, I AM ALSO WATCHING TRAIN FATALITIES. THE ONLY OPTION LEFT THEN WOULD BE BY CAR AND WHAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF DRINK AND/OR DRUGGED DRIVERS ON THE ROAD , ANOTHER SCARY OPTION, IT MAY BE JUST AS WELL TO STAY AT HOME, WHICH I MAINLY HAVE TO DO ANYWAY BECAUSE OF SURFERY PROBLEMS. BUT..... I AM STILL ALIVE AND BREATHING AND HAVE A GREAT OUTLOOKON LIFE. BLESSINGS TO ALL, TRIXIE, 87, FROM SOUTH AUSTRALUA.
Just to explain the above comment. It is considered bad internet etiquette ("netiquette!") to type in full capitals and is akin to shouting. All the best to you.
Those were the days of finding and proving the cause. "The more complicated that something is built, the more susceptible it is to catastrophic failure."
Finding and proving the cause is exactly what happens nowadays. Those were thae days, as are these. The second quote is factually inaccurate. Apart from that, you're good
One of the Station Officers attending this was from Philips Park FS Newton Heath. I was there on the day as a lad watching all this. Years later when I too was in the Fire Service I was privileged to work with him occasionally. His name was Wilfred McLaughlin and he was to tragically die from fatal injuries sustained in a roof collapse in a fire at Oldham Batteries, Denton. He was on his last tour of duty prior to retirement. RIP 'Black Mac'.
Very fortunate people on the ground. Amazing. An awful disaster to live through with survivor's guilt. 😢 The documentaries that came from the UK in the 1950s and 1960s were always very thorough and didn't waste time on dramatics, thus sharing more information. So great to see one! Great upload, thank you! I read the title wrong and have been waiting for Stockholm to appear🤷♀️🤣
there is a tank mechanical analogue simulator in netherlands, but here pilots put there money where their mouths are and actuallly recreate the situation and high altitude, no computer simulators then
I was a passenger on that exact plane on it's previous flight. I was 12 years old and went into the cockpit to meet the pilot Harry Marlowe ! He survived the crash along with one hostess.
Overpopulation is at the root of numerous global problems. From climate change to resource depletion, the strain of an ever-increasing population on our planet is all too evident. LET us address this issue through enhanced education on overpopulation and promoting alternative solutions, such as adoption. The World Population Review records that the Earth is home to over 7.7 billion people (2021), and this figure is set to reach 9.7 billion by 2050. This mounting pressure will have dire implications for our environment, economies, and societies. We're already witnessing some of those effects: deforestation, species extinction, and global warming are direct impacts of an overcrowded Earth. WE need to provide informational pamphlets on overpopulation and its potential dangers. These materials should radiate powerful messages aimed at educating the population about this urgent issue. Furthermore, understanding available family planning options is vital - this includes all types of birth control. They prevent unintended pregnancies, thus indirectly regulating population growth. The introduction of informational documents on birth control will further this cause. Lastly, we cannot ignore the role of adoption. Over 400,000 children are living without permanent families in the US foster care system (Adoption Network, 2021). By promoting adoption, we can ensure these children find love and security, while prospective parents make a planet-friendly choice WE need , to understand the impact of overpopulation and the alternative solutions available to them, thus contributing towards a sustainable future.
I was a young boy when the plane came over our house in Bredbury shook the leaves of the big tree in our garden, went an told my dad an got a slap for telling tales, then my uncle came over an told us that a plane had crashed in the town centre Stockport
What strikes me is the "stuff upper lip" mentality from witnesses and survivors. They must have had some form of PTSD from such a disaster, yet all tell their stories without a glimmer of emotion.
You have to remember, the war only ended a couple of decades before. People of that era had literally been bombed and shot at for their country for five solid years and had had the whole "Keep Calm and Carry On" ethos bred into them. What was one air crash?
@@gileskathome I don't disagree. As a 30-year veteran retired traffic cop, I've spent my life dealing with death and destruction. People just react differently these days.
If you read what survivors, first responders, witnesses say much later, like at the time of the fifty-year commemoration, they talk about how horrific it was, e.g., the firefighter who was first on the scene was clearly quite traumatized by it.
I was working as a gas pump attendant at the Regent Station in Bredbury when this plane was flying over very low, the engines sounded like they were stalling as if they were running out of fuel. The plane was so low I could almost see passengers in the windows. I thought at the time the plane was in serious trouble to find out later it had crashed in Stockport.
The late and highly respected Selkirk tweed mill owner Tony Taylor lost his sister in this crash. Many years later, in a voice cracking with emotion, he told me about it. It had been a very dark day in British aviation history and I remember it vividly.
Even men these days couldn’t remain as composed as the women from that incident - no fault of their own, if anything it’s the fault of those of us retiring early now thanks to having made life so simple and care-free with all the technological advances relieving so many of us from jobs and roles that H&S no longer permits for fear we ‘May injure ourselves’ - we’ve become such a soppy race I’m amazed we’re still at the top of the food chain! So feeble now that grown men cry at words they’re offended by or even just things they see - it’s shameful behaviour. To think Britain was the greatest Empire in living history, no wonder it’s such a popular conception that we’ve “descended” from through Great Apes through monkey’s - surely if we’d “ascended” then maybe we wouldn’t be in this bloody mess - country’s that have struggled are faring better in many respects, like mental health for example - certainly no where near a sharp decline that ‘developed’ country’s have that’s for sure. Bone idle, no respect, “expert at everything” with ability in little except their mouth’s - and they *STILL* don’t see where we’re headed. The government aren’t to *blame* - they’re indicative of the systemic bloody problem!
Except most if not all of those women were probably silently coping with what we recognise today as PTSD, sufferring horrible flashbacks, sleepless nights, panic attacks, and bottling it all up for fear of being seen as weak.
Vey interesting, thanks for posting. I was 10 at the time, and vaguely remember the news reports etc. It's only a small point, but I wonder why the Inquiry was in London, not Manchester area? I know some Trials are moved to avoid trouble etc, but why in THIS case?
I lived in Stockport for a year while at college in 1990 on Turncroft Lane in Offerton. Aeroplanes came low over us on approach to Manchester. Spectacular but made you wonder if something went wrong, in this residential area?
Wow. British people are bad-ass. The lady with the horn rim glasses just nonchalantly talking about half of her being on fire and being roasted…. just like she was discussing a trip to the grocery store. stone cold she is.
21:40 More than a 360 degree turn - The plane hit something and that made it go 90 degree sudden turn (spin) for one second long, then Nth thru East, but, then opposite direction to Nth to west then nth again. Like a shuddering banging about going left to right for a five seconds. Would have been a hell of a ride.
What a period of great progress making all this equipment and neat engineering
Pilot can't remember, pretty convenient seeing as how the cause turned out to be fuel starvation to the engines due to mismanagement of the fuel supply by the aircrew (pilot, copilot and/or engineer). Simply put, the pilot (and those he commanded) FAILED to do their JOB by neglecting to maintain proper fuel management, thus starving the engines of fuel.
From your comment, I will assume that you have never piloted an aircraft of any sort.... From WW2 onwards, aircraft and the systems therein became exponentially more complex; accidents happened, and far too often the cause was quoted simply as 'Pilot error'. If that attitude had persisted, commercial air travel would be infinitely more dangerous than it is today. Thankfully, the realisation came that it would be far better to investigate *how and why* the error took place and fix them, rather than simply villifying the pilot - who was often dead. Was it bad maintenance (such as the reversed rpm gauge feeds in this video)? Ambiguous instruments? Badly designed controls (such as the appallingly positioned crossfeed controls in this aircraft)? Poor system design (the Engineers didn't believe the reverse crossfeed draining the starboard tanks could happen)? Bad communication (BOAC and Canadair knew about this issue more than ten years before this accident but didn't think it would be a good idea to publicise it!)? So yes... the pilot failed to make sure the controls were pushed those last few degrees...... but the position of them made operating them awkward, and seeing they were fully home impossible. Also no pilot (in fact nobody at all) in BM knew that would be a dangerous issue in this type of aircraft *only*........ Plus the designers designed a system that would do something unexpectedly dangerous when what should have been a very minor error was made........ Plus Canadair didn't bother to tell everyone when they found out something deadly would happen if the control wasn't moved the final few degrees....... Simply put, there is no 'Simply put'. The pilot was at the end of a long chain of possibilities to avoid these deaths - he was unfortunately the one whom it is easiest to blame as you do. Next time you get on an aircraft, be thankful that it is so safe because the aviation industry no longer holds blinkered attitudes such as yours.
Holy shît, English people sound gåy. The gâyest on planet Earth. Before you chime in about "proper English", I don't give a fück. I wish we spoke a different language than the ancient colonizers. Blöw me.
Your response is 'gay'. Did you even watch the film. Man, talk about idiocracy.
Gay or not, you sound like an absolute fucking moron, hahahahahaaaa!!!
Murcan tw@t.... do you realise that the first time you elected that imbecile Trump, Murca confirmed itself as the laughing stock of the world? Just to make it even funnier, looks like you might do the same moronic thing again!
How can nobody get hurt on the ground ?????
@@pim1234 It was a small valley that was so steep that it had never been built on.
This documentary is a gem. Thank you !!!!
Absolutely brilliant documentary, boy how have docu's gone from what they used to be
No one in shorts. No one in singlets. No shouting. People lie still dressed up. for flying
Great video
Really liked this video 👍.
Thank you for a very interesting video. All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
Bill Oliver Motorcycle Police Officer, He got survivours out till the fuel ignited, very brave man
Fuel blockage ?
Fuel diversion to the left wing tanks, due to transfer lever not fully closed.
Great docu! Thanks!
He reconstructed the aircraft almost single handed. Amazing.
Great documentary, just like the Mayday/Air Crash Investigation series from Nat Geo.
Much better than Mayday
WHAT AN AMAZING THING TO WATCH. I LOVE INVESTIGATIONS OF ALL THINGS, KEEPS THE MIND ACTIVE. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE PILOT BECAUSE HE HAS TO NOW LIVE IN AN UNCOMPLETE LIFE, OF COURSE I FEEL OR ALL THE FAMILIES WHO LOST LOVED ONES. WHEN ONE WATCHES THESE PROGRAMMES IT DOES MAKE ONE A BIT SCARED OF GOING BY AIR AGAIN. HAVING SAID THAT, I AM ALSO WATCHING TRAIN FATALITIES. THE ONLY OPTION LEFT THEN WOULD BE BY CAR AND WHAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF DRINK AND/OR DRUGGED DRIVERS ON THE ROAD , ANOTHER SCARY OPTION, IT MAY BE JUST AS WELL TO STAY AT HOME, WHICH I MAINLY HAVE TO DO ANYWAY BECAUSE OF SURFERY PROBLEMS. BUT..... I AM STILL ALIVE AND BREATHING AND HAVE A GREAT OUTLOOKON LIFE. BLESSINGS TO ALL, TRIXIE, 87, FROM SOUTH AUSTRALUA.
No need to shout.
Just to explain the above comment. It is considered bad internet etiquette ("netiquette!") to type in full capitals and is akin to shouting. All the best to you.
I take your point. But hey, he's commenting. I don't think the channel owner cares. Just comment! haha
@@NebulaM57 : I know, but it's mildly annoying.
Speak up. I can't hear you.
Those were the days of finding and proving the cause. "The more complicated that something is built, the more susceptible it is to catastrophic failure."
In the USA and other countries, ALL aviation accidents are investigated (in the USA by the NTSB and FAA). Comment only on what you know please.
Finding and proving the cause is exactly what happens nowadays. Those were thae days, as are these. The second quote is factually inaccurate. Apart from that, you're good
One of the Station Officers attending this was from Philips Park FS Newton Heath. I was there on the day as a lad watching all this. Years later when I too was in the Fire Service I was privileged to work with him occasionally. His name was Wilfred McLaughlin and he was to tragically die from fatal injuries sustained in a roof collapse in a fire at Oldham Batteries, Denton. He was on his last tour of duty prior to retirement. RIP 'Black Mac'.
Excellent documentary. You don't always find the answers. Sad for the victims and their families.
Very fortunate people on the ground. Amazing. An awful disaster to live through with survivor's guilt. 😢 The documentaries that came from the UK in the 1950s and 1960s were always very thorough and didn't waste time on dramatics, thus sharing more information. So great to see one! Great upload, thank you! I read the title wrong and have been waiting for Stockholm to appear🤷♀️🤣
there is a tank mechanical analogue simulator in netherlands, but here pilots put there money where their mouths are and actuallly recreate the situation and high altitude, no computer simulators then
I was a passenger on that exact plane on it's previous flight. I was 12 years old and went into the cockpit to meet the pilot Harry Marlowe ! He survived the crash along with one hostess.
Great documentary. As others have mentioned, we dont get the same quality televised today.
Overpopulation is at the root of numerous global problems. From climate change to resource depletion, the strain of an ever-increasing population on our planet is all too evident. LET us address this issue through enhanced education on overpopulation and promoting alternative solutions, such as adoption. The World Population Review records that the Earth is home to over 7.7 billion people (2021), and this figure is set to reach 9.7 billion by 2050. This mounting pressure will have dire implications for our environment, economies, and societies. We're already witnessing some of those effects: deforestation, species extinction, and global warming are direct impacts of an overcrowded Earth. WE need to provide informational pamphlets on overpopulation and its potential dangers. These materials should radiate powerful messages aimed at educating the population about this urgent issue. Furthermore, understanding available family planning options is vital - this includes all types of birth control. They prevent unintended pregnancies, thus indirectly regulating population growth. The introduction of informational documents on birth control will further this cause. Lastly, we cannot ignore the role of adoption. Over 400,000 children are living without permanent families in the US foster care system (Adoption Network, 2021). By promoting adoption, we can ensure these children find love and security, while prospective parents make a planet-friendly choice WE need , to understand the impact of overpopulation and the alternative solutions available to them, thus contributing towards a sustainable future.
WTF does your diatribe have to do with the topic of this film?
You sure you are in the right place?
This is why certain comments aren't necessary. Create your own educative video instead of using the viewers of this one
Stupid comment. Nothing to do with this video.
WTAF? Irrelevant drivel. Make your own video if you want to lecture us.
I was a young boy when the plane came over our house in Bredbury shook the leaves of the big tree in our garden, went an told my dad an got a slap for telling tales, then my uncle came over an told us that a plane had crashed in the town centre Stockport
did you get an apology from your dad?
@@drats1279 Dad was always right
@@drats1279 No😅
"We've got a little bit of trouble" British understatement for "THE PLANE'S OUT OF CONTROL!"
What strikes me is the "stuff upper lip" mentality from witnesses and survivors. They must have had some form of PTSD from such a disaster, yet all tell their stories without a glimmer of emotion.
You have to remember, the war only ended a couple of decades before. People of that era had literally been bombed and shot at for their country for five solid years and had had the whole "Keep Calm and Carry On" ethos bred into them. What was one air crash?
@@gileskathome I don't disagree. As a 30-year veteran retired traffic cop, I've spent my life dealing with death and destruction. People just react differently these days.
If you read what survivors, first responders, witnesses say much later, like at the time of the fifty-year commemoration, they talk about how horrific it was, e.g., the firefighter who was first on the scene was clearly quite traumatized by it.
I was working as a gas pump attendant at the Regent Station in Bredbury when this plane was flying over very low, the engines sounded like they were stalling as if they were running out of fuel. The plane was so low I could almost see passengers in the windows. I thought at the time the plane was in serious trouble to find out later it had crashed in Stockport.
The late and highly respected Selkirk tweed mill owner Tony Taylor lost his sister in this crash. Many years later, in a voice cracking with emotion, he told me about it. It had been a very dark day in British aviation history and I remember it vividly.
Look up the DC4 (C54) list of accidents. Out of 1,200 built the number of fatal accidents is huge. Those were the good old days, eh?
Pilot error...
Absolute rubbish statement. The pilot was not in error. It was a design flaw, known to some airlines but never shared with BMA.
the fact that this happened so close to a major broadcasting center, makes the actual footage so much more interesting?
excellent documentary, very well done and interesting!
Gem of a doco'.
Interesting documentary.
I was 9 at the time and remember the accident, I then used to drive past the crash site on my way to work at HSA Woodford. An excellent documentary.
Well i wold have said look around you canot make it , good luck
Interesting airplane - a DC-4 with Merlin V-12 engines instead of radial Wasps.
Actually a Canadair C4 derivative of the DC4.
Even men these days couldn’t remain as composed as the women from that incident - no fault of their own, if anything it’s the fault of those of us retiring early now thanks to having made life so simple and care-free with all the technological advances relieving so many of us from jobs and roles that H&S no longer permits for fear we ‘May injure ourselves’ - we’ve become such a soppy race I’m amazed we’re still at the top of the food chain! So feeble now that grown men cry at words they’re offended by or even just things they see - it’s shameful behaviour. To think Britain was the greatest Empire in living history, no wonder it’s such a popular conception that we’ve “descended” from through Great Apes through monkey’s - surely if we’d “ascended” then maybe we wouldn’t be in this bloody mess - country’s that have struggled are faring better in many respects, like mental health for example - certainly no where near a sharp decline that ‘developed’ country’s have that’s for sure. Bone idle, no respect, “expert at everything” with ability in little except their mouth’s - and they *STILL* don’t see where we’re headed. The government aren’t to *blame* - they’re indicative of the systemic bloody problem!
Fewer grocers' apostrophes would help your rant enormously!
That's great Grandpa, let's get you to bed.
Except most if not all of those women were probably silently coping with what we recognise today as PTSD, sufferring horrible flashbacks, sleepless nights, panic attacks, and bottling it all up for fear of being seen as weak.
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What?
Vey interesting, thanks for posting. I was 10 at the time, and vaguely remember the news reports etc. It's only a small point, but I wonder why the Inquiry was in London, not Manchester area? I know some Trials are moved to avoid trouble etc, but why in THIS case?
Love the old ATC terminology, so different to today
Was the flight test plane loaded?
It shows in the film that they placed sand bags to emulate the weight of passengers and crew.
Thanks a lot, I missed that part
at min. 15 into the video I thought - Fuel Starvation?
Me too, seemed an obvious explanation.
@@matoko123 Not only that... 2 engines out on the same side? Crossfeed problem!
An old bloke now. I remember it passing over our house like it was yesterday!
An old bloke now. I remember it passing over our house like it was yesterday!
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A fantastic documentary. No silly music, no sound effects, no silly dramatisations, just fact. 👏👏
a stark contrast to the Disaster series made in Canada. That one is awful
Yes. Couldn't agree more. The ridiculous over powering music often used in modern documentaries ruins things.
I lived in Stockport for a year while at college in 1990 on Turncroft Lane in Offerton. Aeroplanes came low over us on approach to Manchester. Spectacular but made you wonder if something went wrong, in this residential area?