in this video can be clearly seen and understood that ended with the death of Aikido Ueshiba. Koichi Tohei can not cope with an older fighter and a direct adept About sensei 10 dan.
Yeah! Also Koichi Tohei does what ahrdly ever anyone does today: to go backwards in an arch keeping the same distance/contact with uke: the art of becoming one with uke (instad of constant "irimi"s of today lowering aikido into an ordinary martial arts state).
If this video were posted today, and no one knew it was Tohei, you'd have a bunch of aikidoka saying "that's not aikido, it's sparring, we don't compete in aikido" etc etc. hmm. What has the art come to.
This is one of the best live spars I've seen of Aikido. All the rest are just playing around or obvious demonstrations. That "Judo vs. Aikido" vid that has 1mil views is retarded.
This remains a nice video. As the cameracrew guy doesn't play according to any rules and Tohei handles it very nicely. Hmm, @1:20 a very effective irimi nage.
@Godsmasher22 Interesting. Well its not unusual for similar techniques to develop alongside each other. Pankration (from Greece) has some hip and shoulder tosses that look like Judo long before there was any exchange of culture between Europe and East Asia.
@Godsmasher22 Yeah I can agree with that. Again, bridging is a wrestling technique that avoids back contact, that really doesn't matter. If you throw someone onto their front, it is pretty effective too. The techniques that work combatively and apply the principle of maximum efficiency are the ones from wrestling that should be kept, IE moratte gari, kata garuma, kibisu gaeshi, and any others I'm missing.
@PompousAceAll I think youre an Aikidork who has no live training experience whatsoever. Judokas own Aikidorks 100% of the time. As a judo yellow belt, I was able to walk through Aikido black belts. While the Aikigeeks put on dead drills and lame demonstrations, the Judoka trains live and plays to win. Aikido sucks dude. For real.
@patrickhenrysghost I'm an IJF affiliate and that's who we got the news from. It was a stupid move that watered down the sport. Kano put those moves in because they work, and Judo has never looked like wrestling to anyone who knows what they're talking about. A smarter move would be to elongate the ne waza period and possibly take out a pin as a form of winning. Taking out leg attacks takes it from "gi wrestling" to "gi Greco-Roman wrestling."
@TheTerrorUforgot Wrong. The Kodokan banned it because Judos Olympic status was threatened. The olypic committee ll the difference between Judo and Wrestling.
Tohei Sensei had a hard task in front of him. Avoid atemi (which seals openings), avoid small joint manipulation (how many times he could've smacked him in the face, turned under his arm and done a bitching sankyo?), and yet NOT LOSE to a heavier, aggressive man. He succeeded.
@shinjukool aikido since 87, "bjj" since 96 and judo 5 years. Aikido keiko is a kind of kata practice, sorta like "drilling" in BJJ/judo. The waza "works" but Aikido principally aims for a physically/mentally rigorous practice accessible to all (at some level) in order to forge students in ways broader than just the practical application of the art. there's more, can't be bothered to explain. sorry. Do aikido, judo, "bjj" (from qualified teachers) before judging.
most don't know what they're watching. 2 gaijin roll into hombu dojo for a TV show & ask for a roll around at the end. K Tohei just knocks him down a few times gently and get's it over with. Bye. Made in the 50's hence the silly music.
@PompousAceAll I think most of them adapted that posture because it works in wrestling, and wrestlers can come into Judo and be dominant with morotte gari, kata garuma, and kibisu gaeshi. It isn't a weak posture, and the IJF pretty much banning that position and leg attacks indicates a fear of it, I think. Sad because I love kibisu gaeshi.
Aikido is not about Fighting or Winning. It is about defeating you greatest enemy. Your false pride and bad character. You want to win a fight buy a gun or hire mercenaries to fight for you. The Japanese learned these things the hard and cruel way during feudal Japan. All the trouble of this world is caused by man. Remove man from this world and everything will work according to the grand design of nature. Animals kill for two basic reasons to eat and defend themselves. Man kills for no reason.
Does this video shows alot of aikido? NO. In life/death situations or "Reality," anything goes, an artist is not bound by rules. "Aikido" is a way of life, not to be debate as some kind of ultimate killing art. And is it effective, can you kill someone with this art? It's common sense.
Tohei senseis 10th dan didn't spring out of nowhere, he was good on the mat. What I am curious about is if he ever took the fight off the mat. Gozo Shioda for instance, was quite famous for his fights with Yakuza in Tokyo bars, Morihiro Saito also had a reputation with the local gangs. Ueshiba sensei himself took challages from all comers in his day. Yet all the stories of Tohei sensei are Mr nice guy. So where are the anecdotes about him kicking ass in a uncontrolled environment?
well, i know where you can go for a first hand accout. Yamada sensei (the New York One) was at hobu during this period. he wont tell them unless you ask directly, but he will talk about Tohei
That sounds interesting, but it is not what is happening here. No arm breaking and no serious ass kicking. Do you have links to video footage or a first hand account?
As an aikidoist, you would NEVER want to get into a prancing game with anyone. When facing an "experienced mugger", one option would be to hand over the money and spare the potential violence and damage to everyone involved; and the other (especially when it looks like cooperating will not keep you safe)--to see your attacker as a walking target and just go in and get the job done, be it simply by destroying him (NOT aikido) or holding the blow and changing to a submission if you can (aikido).
kobekkobe: For someone who wants to see an "external" test of aikido, however, that is only be possible when an aggressor is so unbalanced that he actually does cross the physical boundary and launch himself into an assault. The aikidoka, of course, should already be in motion before the physical attack begins, rather than just waiting to react to it (which would be go-no-sen).
kobekkobe: That's true for someone who is advanced enough in Aikido to know what "sen-no-sen" and "sen-sen-no-sen" mean, but for the general public, your statement would come across as vague and wouldn't help anyone understand what's really happening. The true goal of aikido is to PREVENT conflict from ever getting to the physical level, and this happens to be possible most of the time, especially in the case of "sporting" challenges.
What you are conveniently ignoring is the fact that ANY technique in ANY martial art can be resisted if you know in advance what it is going to be. And as for the "tracking" trick, there are some techniques that simply won't work under those conditions, but in others, an immediate counter can be applied that would result in a catastrophic loss of balance and most likely an injury to the new student. That is probably why you were told not to do that...
I have an idea what you were doing--having seen the technique demonstrated previously, you knew in advance where the nage was going to move, so you either instinctively or intentionally redirected your attacks to "track" them, instead of striking at the initial target, right? Or else, you would attack, but as soon as you saw your partner move to apply the technique, you'd hold back and switch to resisting. Those are the two most common tricks beginners try when they want to "test" aikido.
The only place where aikido could really be tested is in a real-life conflict, with an attacker hurling himself at you with the intention to do you harm, and doing so impulsively, having lost any capacity to be reasoned with and talked to. Of course, if someone did that to an aikido instructor, then regardless of the outcome of the fight, he'll be going straight to jail at the end...
Herman won...
なんだこれ🤣
心身統一合気道にはガッカリした。これで十段。
当時は結構、力技でしたね！
В белом кимоно какую цель преследует не понятно на татами поваляться
この数年後、素人外国人相手でも対応できるようになってます ruclips.net/video/X64HWyWV0nI/видео.html ←この動画の2:36から
This is a excellent demonstration!
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Grappling?...More like wrestling Star Trek style🤔
Misleading because Tohei was also a 3rd Dan Kodokan Judo, so he is familiar with grappling.
Is he fighting a white belt?
This is not even a fight..
in this video can be clearly seen and understood that ended with the death of Aikido Ueshiba. Koichi Tohei can not cope with an older fighter and a direct adept About sensei 10 dan.
Yeah! Also Koichi Tohei does what ahrdly ever anyone does today: to go backwards in an arch keeping the same distance/contact with uke: the art of becoming one with uke (instad of constant "irimi"s of today lowering aikido into an ordinary martial arts state).
If this video were posted today, and no one knew it was Tohei, you'd have a bunch of aikidoka saying "that's not aikido, it's sparring, we don't compete in aikido" etc etc. hmm. What has the art come to.
Finally an aikidoka worthy of watching...real stuff. Not choreographed. Thats why seagal trains and adapts nowadays
This is one of the best live spars I've seen of Aikido. All the rest are just playing around or obvious demonstrations. That "Judo vs. Aikido" vid that has 1mil views is retarded.
This remains a nice video. As the cameracrew guy doesn't play according to any rules and Tohei handles it very nicely. Hmm, @1:20 a very effective irimi nage.
maybe Tohei seisei doing judo.judo can't use wrest lock.
Is aikido limited to wrist locks techniques only?
@@techventureshub No, it isn't.
@Godsmasher22 Interesting. Well its not unusual for similar techniques to develop alongside each other. Pankration (from Greece) has some hip and shoulder tosses that look like Judo long before there was any exchange of culture between Europe and East Asia.
@Godsmasher22 Yeah I can agree with that. Again, bridging is a wrestling technique that avoids back contact, that really doesn't matter. If you throw someone onto their front, it is pretty effective too. The techniques that work combatively and apply the principle of maximum efficiency are the ones from wrestling that should be kept, IE moratte gari, kata garuma, kibisu gaeshi, and any others I'm missing.
@PompousAceAll I think youre an Aikidork who has no live training experience whatsoever. Judokas own Aikidorks 100% of the time. As a judo yellow belt, I was able to walk through Aikido black belts. While the Aikigeeks put on dead drills and lame demonstrations, the Judoka trains live and plays to win. Aikido sucks dude. For real.
Bollox
@patrickhenrysghost I'm an IJF affiliate and that's who we got the news from. It was a stupid move that watered down the sport. Kano put those moves in because they work, and Judo has never looked like wrestling to anyone who knows what they're talking about. A smarter move would be to elongate the ne waza period and possibly take out a pin as a form of winning. Taking out leg attacks takes it from "gi wrestling" to "gi Greco-Roman wrestling."
@TheTerrorUforgot Wrong. The Kodokan banned it because Judos Olympic status was threatened. The olypic committee ll the difference between Judo and Wrestling.
Tohei Sensei had a hard task in front of him. Avoid atemi (which seals openings), avoid small joint manipulation (how many times he could've smacked him in the face, turned under his arm and done a bitching sankyo?), and yet NOT LOSE to a heavier, aggressive man. He succeeded.
I like Aikido and I'm sure Tohei is a beast when it comes to dealing with strikes but this looks like sloppy Judo.
@watts18269 Herman's buddy is more of a dick, laughing at him getting owned. Would have been even better if they both went at Tohei at once.
@shinjukool aikido since 87, "bjj" since 96 and judo 5 years. Aikido keiko is a kind of kata practice, sorta like "drilling" in BJJ/judo. The waza "works" but Aikido principally aims for a physically/mentally rigorous practice accessible to all (at some level) in order to forge students in ways broader than just the practical application of the art. there's more, can't be bothered to explain. sorry. Do aikido, judo, "bjj" (from qualified teachers) before judging.
most don't know what they're watching. 2 gaijin roll into hombu dojo for a TV show & ask for a roll around at the end. K Tohei just knocks him down a few times gently and get's it over with. Bye. Made in the 50's hence the silly music.
Herman's an arsehole
@PompousAceAll I think most of them adapted that posture because it works in wrestling, and wrestlers can come into Judo and be dominant with morotte gari, kata garuma, and kibisu gaeshi. It isn't a weak posture, and the IJF pretty much banning that position and leg attacks indicates a fear of it, I think. Sad because I love kibisu gaeshi.
@PompousAceAll Not a good Judoka who knows the priciples of kuzushi, tsukuri, kake.
Aikido is not about Fighting or Winning. It is about defeating you greatest enemy. Your false pride and bad character. You want to win a fight buy a gun or hire mercenaries to fight for you. The Japanese learned these things the hard and cruel way during feudal Japan. All the trouble of this world is caused by man. Remove man from this world and everything will work according to the grand design of nature. Animals kill for two basic reasons to eat and defend themselves. Man kills for no reason.
You are among the few who are able to spot fraud and fakery when others cannot. Very perceptive.
Koichi Tohei is great! BUT, this Walt Disney music makes it feel like an old Mickey Mouse cartoon! :)
Does this video shows alot of aikido? NO. In life/death situations or "Reality," anything goes, an artist is not bound by rules. "Aikido" is a way of life, not to be debate as some kind of ultimate killing art. And is it effective, can you kill someone with this art? It's common sense.
Tohei senseis 10th dan didn't spring out of nowhere, he was good on the mat. What I am curious about is if he ever took the fight off the mat. Gozo Shioda for instance, was quite famous for his fights with Yakuza in Tokyo bars, Morihiro Saito also had a reputation with the local gangs. Ueshiba sensei himself took challages from all comers in his day. Yet all the stories of Tohei sensei are Mr nice guy. So where are the anecdotes about him kicking ass in a uncontrolled environment?
~InternetJunkie I totally agree. This guy looks like he is using a little wrestling and really going to get him down.
Wow your prejudice is outstanding.
Pull guard Herman!
no, prolly not. Pretty much wasted enough time w all this.
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately I am in Germany, so not much chance any time soon. Maybe someone else can follow it up?
well, i know where you can go for a first hand accout. Yamada sensei (the New York One) was at hobu during this period. he wont tell them unless you ask directly, but he will talk about Tohei
That sounds interesting, but it is not what is happening here. No arm breaking and no serious ass kicking. Do you have links to video footage or a first hand account?
If that big guy had been punching, I think he would have knocked out the "master".
Lol but this video is about grapping.
As an aikidoist, you would NEVER want to get into a prancing game with anyone. When facing an "experienced mugger", one option would be to hand over the money and spare the potential violence and damage to everyone involved; and the other (especially when it looks like cooperating will not keep you safe)--to see your attacker as a walking target and just go in and get the job done, be it simply by destroying him (NOT aikido) or holding the blow and changing to a submission if you can (aikido).
kobekkobe: For someone who wants to see an "external" test of aikido, however, that is only be possible when an aggressor is so unbalanced that he actually does cross the physical boundary and launch himself into an assault. The aikidoka, of course, should already be in motion before the physical attack begins, rather than just waiting to react to it (which would be go-no-sen).
kobekkobe: That's true for someone who is advanced enough in Aikido to know what "sen-no-sen" and "sen-sen-no-sen" mean, but for the general public, your statement would come across as vague and wouldn't help anyone understand what's really happening. The true goal of aikido is to PREVENT conflict from ever getting to the physical level, and this happens to be possible most of the time, especially in the case of "sporting" challenges.
What you are conveniently ignoring is the fact that ANY technique in ANY martial art can be resisted if you know in advance what it is going to be. And as for the "tracking" trick, there are some techniques that simply won't work under those conditions, but in others, an immediate counter can be applied that would result in a catastrophic loss of balance and most likely an injury to the new student. That is probably why you were told not to do that...
I have an idea what you were doing--having seen the technique demonstrated previously, you knew in advance where the nage was going to move, so you either instinctively or intentionally redirected your attacks to "track" them, instead of striking at the initial target, right? Or else, you would attack, but as soon as you saw your partner move to apply the technique, you'd hold back and switch to resisting. Those are the two most common tricks beginners try when they want to "test" aikido.
The only place where aikido could really be tested is in a real-life conflict, with an attacker hurling himself at you with the intention to do you harm, and doing so impulsively, having lost any capacity to be reasoned with and talked to. Of course, if someone did that to an aikido instructor, then regardless of the outcome of the fight, he'll be going straight to jail at the end...