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The Beatles had a variety, apparently The Black Keys can't embrace variety?🤦‍♂️

Mate, ATUM was the biggest pile of shite going around, lucky to get 2 stars on most reviews. From memory it wasn't released on CD as the record company were worried it'd be used as a coaster for a beer whilst you thought about ending it all. Thanks for stopping by!

Thanks for stopping by man, and glad you enjoyed the video, very much looking forward to hearing new music from the Vines in the future!

Holy shit. Finally someone capable of criticizing the older work. I agree.

Not sure about 30 years but we're on the same page with a return to form!

​@@theindieminersi must correct myself. Best since adore

@AndyKard84 I agree somewhat. There is actually software that can remove instruments or vocals. I can't remember what it's called but you can Google it. I'm going to try and see how it sounds just instrumental. Great idea!

lol... Actually you could use lalal.ai to do that and push the vocals to back more

@theindieminers interesting. I will try it out. Maybe it'll be better. Some of the lyrics like labyrinth milk syringe just made me shake my head haha. I think instrumental will solve a lot. Not totally, but a lot of my frustration.

Dude I totally agree. I just can’t stomach his vocals, it really hurts the songs.

Back in the day his vocal melodies tended to complement the music after machina they are in the way of the music 😊

Smashing pumpkins were throughout the 90's even up to Corgan's Zwan project amazing. Anything they did was amazing. Post Zwan until now he has not wrote a single good song. To say that this is inspired by Siamese Dream, or Mellon Collie is just ridiculous. The singing is horrible. I don't know if its because higher octave. I think they need Flood to produce an album and have Billy out of the room. They are probably friends with the female back up singer, she needs to go. Billy needs to stop over pronouncing lyrics which is super super annoying and many people have brought that up. Speaking of lyrics, this is the most lazy lyrics, and extremely pretentious. I couldn't get through the album because it was embarassing to even listen to. No emotion is totally right. There has been none since Zwan. As a fan, I have given Smashing Pumpkins so many chances because its not like they had 2 great songs. They had 7 albums (counting Pisces and the double album as 2 albums) of fantastic, near perfect songs and songwriting. I guess they just don't care anymore. There is not one person on this planet that can tell me truthfully you enjoy the lyrics. It's the worst lyrics of really any artist this century. People are liking these guys because they play guitar now? That is like Picasso stepping away from painting for a while, then coming back, opening a paint can and just pouring it on on the floor and leaving saying isn't this great? Then saying what else do you want I used paint like you wanted.

Agreed !

Its funny, feels like we're almost trying to defend him now after we've had a number of episodes dedicated to how horrible Atum was :) ... Look it wasn't great - still think it was ok though - and probably what you'd expect from a band that's 35 years old. Agree that none of the lyrics and singing hold a candle to the 90s stuff, but the addition of actual band interplay (as opposed just sounding like a Corgan solo record) is the ingredient here that makes it at least better than the last few records ...

@theindieminers thank you for the reply. I would say yes, it is better than the last many records. Of course as you can guess, the last records were atrocious. This was bad in many ways, but it sounds like at least they all contributed. It just blows my mind how they can have really over a decade of pure magic, then it's this. I want to believe they can do it, but this was the end for me. They don't need me as a fan, but I'll always say 1991-2003 was magic for Billy Corgan and company. Hits or not, the entire records were outstanding.

I guess that's what happens to most bands after a while. The counter-initiative thing to say is that the "better" that Corgan feels like he has gotten at the songwriting craft over the years the worse they became. Among other things, a lot of the songs in the 90s all had breathing space within them - these days songs seem to be crammed with all possible ideas to a technical precision but potentially to their detriment. Maybe not 100% correct in articulating that...

Absolutely! Would have been good had someone thought outside the square

Thanks so much for watching, we can't wait to review the new album!

Firstly, thanks for watching! You raise some valid points, and we’re actually probably closer in seeing it your way than what you might think. Udio does seem to offer more variety at the moment, however in general we’re still struggling to find any generated music that we would listen to on repeat. It would be awesome to be proven wrong (esp. in six months) - and the technology is crazy cool, but the high bar HAS TO BE for this to generate the best albums of all time on demand with minimal human involvement, otherwise what is the point? It feels like reaching this outcome might be tied to achieving AGI, which is not a given. In the meantime, these tools will certainly help semi-talented musicians be better, which is actually a good thing!

Thanks for watching! We can't wait too! Hamish was a good sport coming on to the show...

Both awesome albums! Sunflower as well..

Probably been the BC show for basically forever ... but now it does feel a little transactional ... like it feels like BC needs James and Jimmy to represent Pumpkins being seen as a band, which most people don't really buy...

He produced and wrote the 90s albums too. There are only a handful of iha cowrites

Thanks mate, I've been watching the live videos come through online, to repel ghosts is epic live! Not going to lie mate, bit jealous right now! Thanks for watching. Let us know if you'd like a deep dive on any other manics topics!

Im creating music for my channel in udio and its amazing, but its hard to keep cohesion sometimes, but gives a lot of freedom to assemble songs together. Im thinking about trying Suno now to check it out, its fun to create. I use for Instrumental and some with lyrics that I wrote. It is a new world we are stepping into. Nice video gj.

Very interested to hear how that is working out. If I were in a band like I was in uni I'd be using this especially to finish songs off... But I do think it's not necessarily great at producing innovative original content .... Yet. We need to check out udio... Thanks for watching!

@@theindieminers You are spot on, it is really not great in being creative enough, but it works for brainstorming some ideas. The cool thing in udio is that only produce 30s pieces, and then you need to keep generating more 30s pieces and trying to make it a song in a way you imagined. ruclips.net/p/PLzaO-jSqdKlBIjXB-VZSy7O1KSRgK4sQw This is my playlist of a full 9 song setlist, would love to hear what you think of it. The lyrics are not great since im a non native english speaker. Creative and good music players/band will not be replaced at all in my opinion, but it is nice to create something that fits your style.

Maybe somewhere between demo and pro sounding 😀 I've heard a lot of indie records that don't have anywhere near as good a sound as what this can produce (even though the songs themselves might be better)

As we've seen in other parts of the gen ai world this will probably be around the corner

I 100% agree. I came to the comments to say something very similar. I don't quite understand the arguments against AI which tend to come in two forms: First, the AI is copying other artist's work, to which I saw, we already have laws to combat duplication of other people's work. Then they tend to pivot to the second argument which is that they can't use copyrighted works to create an algorithm, which I don't think is anywhere in copyright law. Maybe that's something that's soon to be hanmmered out in court or in congress, but as it stands I don't see how it's any different than an artist like me listening to a bunch of Buddy Holly songs, finding out what instrumentation, chords, lyrics, and melodies he uses then using that information to create a new work. I really don't think the argument has legs. And for the record, I am a recording artist who has never used AI to create any of my original works, and still I support it and am excited by where it's going.

If you want to become better at photography or painting, you would not look millions of photos to get style references of, like how the modern art generators work. Instead you would get a pencil and brushes and start painting until you are good. You could also take some lessons where some teacher explains how perspective works, how color theory works, what anatomy is, what is the ethics of art etc etc. The art generator never got those lessons. You also would have preferences of what kind of art you like and what not, which also is impossible for Ai to have, since it doesn't have preferences. Ai stops thinking and therefore existing when no one is prompting. (I think, therefore I am)

@@MrSorbias First, a great student will not only work on their technique, but they will also study the masters. The teacher you mentioned will show examples of how various artists used perspective, color theory, leading lines, negative space, etc. to get the image they wanted. Second, the final statement is interesting. Right now AI is simply a servant to our requests. I know it is a heated debate as to if AI could become sentient. The interesting thing about that conversation is that philosophers have argued and debated for centuries about what exactly it means to be sentient. We struggle to answer that question for ourselves. It is going to be even more difficult when judging AI. Right now AI will only produce an answer in response to our prompts. Can we get to the point that the AI can generate thoughts and ideas without an external prompt? I would argue that it is incredibly possible. I would also argue that quantum computing will be the innovation we need for that to happen. The massive leap in processing power of a quantum computer is almost beyond imagination.

Commercially successful AI might later be used in other fields.

I agree, But i believe in the medical field it takes longe to see the results because If the AI make a mistake someone could die. Music is easier to experiment with.

It's definitely murky territory and it's basically a different version as to what openai/chatgpt are going through

@@theindieminers Yes, but I can understand why they sued. They want to bring this to court and test their arguments. It will be interesting to see if courts will treat AI as anyone that copies or uses another artist stuff.

Thanks for watching! Yeah this is interesting it's almost as if everyone has the chance to create their own unique version of the best album of all time which is mind blowing to even think about. If I were in a band id definitely be using this to tidy up some of my shitty songs and have it played with real instruments

@@theindieminers Lol, this is exactly what goes through my mind with every new song I use AI to create. I love going to listen to live bands in pubs and clubs, some of their songs could use a bit of polish. A lot of the songs that I'm able to get Udio and Suno create I often imagine being sung by some of those bands. They may see things differently of course, but to your point, if they are "average" song writers, they can improve things by using these AI platforms. In my opinion, as a fan of any band who has great singers and musicians, I don't care if the song is created by AI, it's how they deliver it that is important to me. Of course, that's just my opinion 🙂

Just to be clear, I believe that the best music will continue to be created by humans; formulaic music will easily be replaced by AI. Think Stock, Aitken and Waterman back in the 80's. That could just as easily have been AI generated hit songs (??)

If I were in a band and responsible for songwriting it would be my dirty little secret

Thanks for watching!

This!

Everyday Life is a masterpiece and is very alternative. Coloratura from their last album too. This is not their last and they will continue touring.

@@coldplaymay Charlie Brown beats coloratura tho

@@vinnie4v277 it's surely a great song but Coloratura is a masterpiece imo