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Is it possible to roll triple crit? I want to see a bunch of plus 20 dbl crits saved up and just roll the last stat on like 20 of em in a row lol

This is as bad as the time ppl thought that chests respawned in genshin. Misinformation and makes you lose so much exp if you are f2p

If i understand I have to upgrade to +10, if I get a crit stat I save the echo, next I do it again, if it dosent roll a crit stat on five echos, I need to fully upgrade the original echo with one crit stat, but what happen when I roll a crit stat between my old echo an new ones, I just reset the progress? I mean upgrade another echos util the five count with out crit stat happen?

How do you get that many elctro DMG bonus echoes?

Video basically telling you nothing

I think most of this is trying too hard. I got my first double Crit on a Snip Snap with the Crit rate 3rd and the Crit Dmg 5th. Just roll the pieces folks

Meanwhile me when i don't care about echo and got double crit on suport piece

guys if you watched this, i will let you know you can't manipulate a specific stat. It's all RNG. What i did as a person who got his Camellya double crits on all 5 pieces, just collect your Echo over the week and feed them til level 20, if you don't see at least 1 crit stat, you feed that piece to the next one and repeat. Don't need to stress yourself out over rng based stuffs. DON'T DO THE +10 trick to save your exp. You will get a lot of exp tubes by Tacet fields. 3 out 5 pieces of mine got the double crits on 3rd and 4th slot so you probably wasted a lot of good echos by doing that.

So I can rely on my crippling addiction to rolling the dice or my crippling addiction to make spreadsheets... interesting

So, Im very dumb and I need everything explained to me like I'm 5. "Double CRIT" means having CRIT Rate and CRIT Damage in the same echo? Or can it be 2 CRIT Rates or 2 CRIT Damages? :/

I like how both in Genshin and WuWa, Crit Rate and Crit DMG is the most important one

What about the minute tuning for the echomancing

I like the idea

Yo Lament. Just here to say what has been fermenting since I watched your video on your echo rolling technique. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It has greatly helped me in getting my echoes right and my prevented my heart from going cardiac arrest from the excitement of gambling and helped me stand up after getting knocked off the knockers after Lingyang came to my face instead of Zhezhe. I would love to watch the previous stream but I am running out of space-time and won't be able to. Thanks, looking forward to your next vid!

great video def gonna do this ig this is more efficient rather than relying on pure luck

Gonna try his technique! (≡^∇^≡) Thank you ❤

I'm all in. I take what I get, no looking back.

i have 9 maxed charachters and i'm lvl 70 ,i can count in one hand how mawy double crits i have

My method goes like this: find echo with right mainstat > make it lv25 and tune it 5 times in one go, not one by one, ALL 5 AT ONCE. If it's good I keep, if it sucks I feed it to another echo as material to make the new echo +25 and repeat the process. That's as much brainpower as I'll ever put into this garbage trash ass piece of sht worthless waste-of-code mechanic that is echo building.

I use the traditional method and had no issues with it. I value other useful substats as 75% the value of a crit. And have had great results. The only thing I do different is for attribute damage types as those are harder to get. I roll them to +15 no matter what. If I get something equivalent to one crit stat. I go to 20. Now if out of 4 I have at least 1 actual crit stat I go to 25. The exception is if the crit stat is a low roll and all other 3 stats are useless, I fodder it.

4 cost: level to 10-> if double crit, you level to 25 and pray, if not then you trash it. 3 cost: level to 15-> if double crit, you level to 25, if singe crit level to 20(and if no crit at 20, then trash it), if no crit then trash. 1 cost: level to 10-> if double crit, you level to 25, if single crit you level to 15, if no double crit after lvl15, then trash.

Real problem for me is getting xp for echos. 8 days in game but I have (probably) decent cr 50% on havoc Rover with cd 248%. I don't really know if this is good on lvl 60 or not. No 5* weapons. What I DO know is that method might not work on new players because, again, we don't have much of echo experience bottles to level up a lot of echos. To newcomers its more relevant to level up one boss echo with cr/cd+atk till 25, roll the stats and hope to get lucky. If not - just reuse it. I know this guide was created for veteran players by veteran player who has more resources to spare, but it's still probably will confuse newcomers. Personally - I like it. It's good, it has a good amount of step by step explanations, examples etc. You definitely deserve a like.

Having double crit is not hard but having two good crit roll and other useful substats are. You can control the first crit roll but if you roll only the first highest crit and discard the others you will never know if they could be better in the second crit stat or other stats. In the end i spend xp in the others also when you are trying to maximize your stats The best approach should be upgrade each one from high to low crit stat+5 levels each try and continue first with the best stats. If there is an unbeatable piece at some point you stop upgrading the others.

Hopefully in the future kuro introduces items that allows us us to reroll substats and choose substats on echoes in the future

"popular method used nowadays" Me:Since when? I've been playing since DAY 1!

I need to rewatch this when im not drunk.

It honestly sounds like the same method except you are just prolonging the inevitable. The main difference is whether the crit intervals are necessarily accurate and if it's just math being math, it will be different for all players even if they used a decent amount of data set. Still a really cool way to pull rolls though. Very similar to 1x pull vs 10x pull. I'm a fan of 1x pull myself because 'lucky' so I definitely won't b close-minded to try this on multiple gacha games to see the results.

İ got %95 crit rate and %205 crit DMG is it Gold?

Energy regen is really crippled in my Carlotta, so much so I went to ask god what to do and a bird landed on my head. A heavy one. Yangyang saved my Carlotta and gave me that chance to go for 30/30 in TOA. For me the rotation goes so fast, a Taoqi-buffed Carlottas' burst dmg can't compared to the dps dealt by the team carried by Yangyang. P.S. Zhezhi is so far away...lol

Can anyone tell me...why my 3star gold echo has lower crit rate than my 1star gold echo? I lower sol3 when I tuned my echo..is that the cause?

This video is destined to be on my RUclips. 😂 Thanks for the hard work, a person like me who can't rely on RNG Goddess needs this😂

First 10 days farming new set for Carlotta: spend 16 waveplates pack and got one glacio 3 cost. Another one i find in echo farming. Got double crit on one, but lowest one, and until now (11 day of pach 2.0) i haven't see any Glasio 3 cost. That's my luck. By the way spectro radiance dropping me spectro 3 cost one from another. Next time i feel like i need to farm set first, see what pieses i got and desided which 5* character i would pull.

If im building one character i work on it for 1 week, grinding everday for its material and i get it easily

ok that sequence theory is wrong, cause of how prohibitive it is the level all 5 ones when the first 2 have no crits, scewing results. This is a really good video though. the math problem behind rolling for sub stats is that you are looking to get a specific set of numbers (lets say 1 and 2) our of a set of a incrementing sequence of numbers to 13 (1, 2, 3, 4, ..., 13 representing all the different sub stats possible from the pool) into 5 available slots, where no duplicates can be in it. I will spare you the math but you end up with 165 favourable outcomes, that include the 2 crits and 1287 possible 5 slot combinations, now divide it as such: 165/1287 and you get to a 12.5% probability to get 2 crits (or any 2 desired stats) in the 5 slots. so you need to farm 8 echos with the desired main stats to statistically get 1 with double crit. Since we arent going to go all the way to 5 every time due to resource contraints, you may need a few more echos to compensate. So the method you presented is reasonable, only continue rolling when you get a crit stat early, so the odds are in your favour, as you only need to get 1 out of 11 remaining stats in one of the 3 slots, which should come out at just about 30% for the echos that got 1 crit stat in the first 2 slots. I think this could be further mathed out and put into an excel sheet, where you can just input your echo exp and tuning resources and time to farm the echos and it tells you the best course of action.

I'm so poor on resources I started to make my own method: Roll per 5 levels. If you roll hp or def, trash it. If there's no crit by the 3rd roll, trash it. If there's no double crit on the 4th roll, trash it.

no thanks, I'm rich in echo exp. high risk, high reward.

Definitely, i will try this. I always level to 20+ then if the echo is shiet i used it to toll another one and goes to 18+ and use exp tubes (4gold) to make it 20 and if good i keep it

Do you have genshin version?

All in or nothing for me😂. My main characters are already built, so I'm just going all in for the new echoes I get to see if it is an upgrade or something I can keep if I build a new character. My main dps's are Jiyan, Xiangli Yao, Jinshi, Camellya and Carlotta. I'm currently building Chixia at the moment😊

at the start, i tought it woudnt work, why? becuase all the videos never usualy work. but today, i just reached onion level 60, and i decided to spend all of my crystal solvent on carlotta. i used this technique, and i was surprised to see how it worked out. in only 40 solvents, i got 2 god tier glacio pieces. so yeah, thank you very much for this easy to understant and useful video.

you want luck? watch a video!

How u get so many material for that leveling haha. Mine always come to zero

How you get so many “echoes exp thingy”? I forgot the name for it but you have tons of them in the storage

Got a team comp here, for the left tower, Dual Dps team with Carlotta, Camellya and Shorekeeper. It's really bad, Camellya's purpose is to clear the mobs and be a concerto battery for Carlotta when the Havoc Resistance Heron comes around. As for why it's bad: i)Field time for the two dps are just really long. ii) Had to either sacrifice Camellya's Ephemeral and it's subsequent enhanced basic attack or lose time on Carlotta's liberation time in relation to Shorekeeper's while performing Camellya's EBA. It was easy to make the sacrifice and frankly the best team I had to beat this floor. Camellya to the mobs and Carlotta to the heron. AOE and single target kits in one team. GG

The "crit period theory" is just stating the average chance of rolling crit stats. There is no statistical difference between your method of "mining wide" vs the traditional method of "mining tall". On average, you are using just as many echoes and tuners, the difference is that you are essentially "brute forcing" the rng by running alot of samples at once, giving you the illusion that you have a higher chance of getting double crits compared to doing them one at a time. Statistically speaking, going to +25 for double crits, you need on average 7.8 echoes to do it, resulting in 416281 exp and 282.882 tuners needed. This is consistent with your experience of using less than 300 tuners on average. This takes 18.9219 TF runs (at UL 50+) to cover the exp cost and 14.1441 runs to cover the tuner costs. Comparing this to going to +20 for double crits, you need on average 12.99 echoes to do it, resulting in 278430 exp and 333.71 tuners needed. This needs 12.656 TF (at UL 50+) runs to cover the exp cost and 16.686 runs to cover the tuner cost. Strictly from a cost perspective, it's cheaper to stop at +20 when you haven't gotten your double crit roll. However, note the increased avg number of echoes from 7.8 to 12.99, almost a whopping 67% increase. It can be argued that echoes are harder to come by than EXP / Tuner. That said, sitting on loads of tubes and tuners? Go +25. Having way more roll-able echoes than you know what to do with because you farmed liked a madman? Go +20.

I see carlotta outro skill is not activated if you use echo on depart

Korean comedian vtuber Myong-tok proves you're wrong

I made a mistake of going all in and now i have no shell credits

Roll to 10, if there's no crit, there's no chance in hell you will get double crit on the next 3 rolls. Discard and move on. If there's crit, try leveling it to 15/20/25.

Time to fix my 37% crit rate dpses 💀