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@@timothysullivan-pm3sl I'm glad it's not just me then 😅

@OniiXGaming 🤣🤣🤣... I think your right about Sony. I think Intel we're pushing hard for the console contracts and probably pushed RT..

@@Spratty-wb3is exactly they have no choice.

@DonovanMcNabb5 I dunno, Nvidia get their fair share of pushback and the 4080 12GB was a good example. 4070ti super is probably another as I can't imagine that ridiculous name was intended. AMD messed up big on the 7900xt-7900xtx launch price. But I wonder if they will look over their shoulder when battlemage lunch if that's priced aggressive and with a better upscaler and RT at the midrange..

With this I just ran a 1060mv and a 2600mhz clock speed. That works pretty well for me with no real performance loss and drops power down to 320-340w

@@Spratty-wb3is did you raise the power limit to 15 and fl you think that from 2400 to 2600 there is a noticeable difference in coild whine or gpu coil whine. Also how are stutters

Were you trying to overclock in this video because you said you were trying to push it far

@blocky623 I ran the undervolt to begin which was just the voltage reduction and clocks reduction. I then ran the overclock by increasing clocks and minimum clocks along with memory clocks and then a full power limit. My gpu isn't bad on choil whine so no difference..

@RJTHEGAME absolutely! FSR at 4k is the best your gonna get from 4k. Plus if I have 24GB of vram available I wanna use it right? I didn't buy a GPU with this much power and 24GB of vram to play at 1440p. If I wanted to play at 1440p I'd have just gone with a 7800xt.

@@Spratty-wb3is I'm with you man all the way! I do think it's a bit weird buying an XTX to game at 1440p. Like you say underselling it but maybe some are just more concerned with over 200fps or something insane. However on Modern Warfare 3, FSR 3 at 4k on the XTX you get well over a 100 FPS so surely that's enough and then can just max out all the settings ? Even native maxing everything out with details at 4K still managing over 100 FPS That's why I got the XTX to get the most out of 4K

@Kurigo I appreciate this! I did receive a comment on another similar video I posted, and the response was pointed towards the 7800x3d possibly being the issue? Not being able to feed information fast enough to the 7900xtx?

​@@Spratty-wb3is That should not be a problem that CPU has a bigger case for video data transfer, and is also perfect for some extra fps in games. I have a different issue with my 7900xtx and 5950x so i came across your video. What i found out with Davinci resolve and OBS is the following. While recording in AV1 i got strange lag after harvesting an animal in thehunter on vorhunga taiga, so i investigated the issue with google and AI etc. nothing found. Turns out that the map vorhunga savanna is the problem because Medved Taiga, a different hunting map has zero issues and by that zero lag. Now today i was shocked that i rendered a video of station to station, also a game that causes mayor lag at times with any cpu/gpu. But in Davinci Resolve h265 encoder causes strange artifacts, while AV1 and h264 have zero issues. This is very strange. Now if i use AV1 and CQP 16 as a test to render a 4k video it causes mayor lag. This means that either the AV1 Encoder chip is stressed too much, or there is an issue with Davinci resolve. And guess what AV1 OBS 4k@60 causes also lag at CQP 16. This could still mean two things 1- The AV1 Chip is stressed and can't handle 4k@60 With CQP 16 [ translates to around 120k bitrate. 2- The AV1 software is not matured enough because it is the " new " kid on the block, this needs consideration because i could not even use AV1 a month ago with Davinci resolve. Everything considered this translates to OBS too and vice versa. I would set my base canvas in OBS to 4k@60, and record it at 2560x1440p [2k] and CQP 16/20. The tech industry promoted 4k 10 years ago and we are still not ready for it. If we where ready for 4k we don't need DLSS or FSR to upscale 1440p or lower to 4k to get decent fps in games. I feel where you are coming from, all the money and having all the trouble. Believe me that recording in 1440p and upscale by editing software to 4k is more than enough. Most people who watch youtube do it by phone and 720p monitors are still used more than 1440p and 4k. And you can't even compare 1080p to the above for it smashes the competition by user base. I believe we are the same with a desire to deliver quality and authenticity , but we have to do with what we can do. P.S a 4090 has the same issues as my 7900xtx

@Kurigo That's interesting! I might go into OBS and check that out tonight, thank you! I was recording with the CBQ set to 20 on both systems. AMD AV1 encoder. NVIDIA AV1 encoder. And the high setting for quality. 4k canvas and resolution. But the 4080 has no issue when recording this. The 7900xtx was either lagging or crashing. I've not tried Divinci as I was starting out and trying to avoid subscription. I am using just capcut at the moment and also have a problem in that with the AMD system. When I render a 10GB video on the 4080 it takes around 5 to 10 minutes to complete. The same size file on the XTX takes around 2 hours. Again this is all using the same settings as basically I'm trying to use comparison so trying to keep all my recording and rendering also the same.

@@Spratty-wb3is Interesting, seems that the software lacks support for the AMD card. Davinci Resolve is free by the way, it might look overwhelming but its really simple. There is a paid version, but the Free version also supports GPU Decoding and Encoding for fast rendering. In the past this was not the case. I avoid subscription models like the plague, if you need good foto software buy Affinity Photo and if you need Affinity Designer. Buy once keep forever.

@Kurigo Oh really? In that case I might download and check out Divinci. I spoke to a few people using premier pro and that appears to render quick with AMD hardware but that appears subscription so I ignored it..

@c523jw7 xess is an option yeah but it's not always the best. I actually wonder if Intel sales don't go well with battlemage they decide to pull xess as being available for AMD users also. I mean if I was loosing sales to AMD and they were all using my upscaler I would 🤣.. I mean realistically you have a ton of options now anyway so you can make anything work!,

@Spratty-wb3is that would be annoying for amd users. From a selling your product standpoint I would too. I got to really check out fsr 3.1 still haven't turned it on since launch. But I had a 2.1 experience recently. I turned it on in cyberpunk and at first looking at a wall I was like fsr is so close..then I looked at an npc 🤣. I stand by this fsr quality looks worse than flss performance at 4k on the old fsr ( it absolutely hurts that I have dlss 3.7.1 modded in). I'll have a look in ghost of tsushima. I'm actually surprised Froggy gave the nvidia cards the upper hand at 4k which I agree with but very surprised.. and I do agree the xtx is a great 4k card it has the raster power behind it. It's only limit is when you go a game that's so taxing with rt and then you got to use upscalers.

@c523jw7 I can see why he said it as at 4k there's more reliance on upscalers and dlss obviously has that advantage. But I'd still take 4k over 1440p and just turn down settings or live with FSR personally. At 4k it's really not that bad. Doesn't seem right having a 400w 24GB gpu to play 1440p does it? Might as well save 500 and just buy a 7800xt..

@Spratty-wb3is interesting at like for like size your saying 4k dialled down looks better than 1440p maxxed..what's the performance like comparing both..that would be really interesting. Yeah xtx at 1440p, might as well stick to the 7800xt..it pains me to say that cus I don't like giving amd fanboys anything lol. Dwayneda where you at lol

@@OniiXGaming 3840x1620 39" or 34"?

@@Spratty-wb3is 38" 3840 1600p LG ultragear 165hz

@OniiXGaming probably about the same density as my 34" 3440x1440?

@@Spratty-wb3is yes, i believe is 111 ppi

@DonovanMcNabb5 there's only 2 monitors available and not widely available with DP 2.1. Pretty much every monitor and all the new 4k 240hz monitors I'm looking at have a DP 1.4 connection. Doesn't matter if your running a DP 2.1 on your GPU when it's connecting to a 1.4 monitor as the monitor is gonna need to use DSC.. To use 10bit on my Alienware with the 7900xtx I have to drop to 120hz. If I select 165hz it reverts to 8bit.

@@DonovanMcNabb5 I've had zero issues with mine set at 240Hz - looks better than ever 😊

@@Spratty-wb3is oh I'll need to check what mines is set to at 240 I'm sure it's 10bit..

@@Spratty-wb3is i HAD a lg nanoIPS 27gp950 and the samsung g7 4k 28, and both of them did not play nice with the 4080. Looking at them with my actual eyes Im able to notice enough color wash for me to just say no to Nvidia as my personal choice. I sold my 4080FE, I have another 4080 that I'm flipping (got it for $700). Im sure its partly due to bitrate, but i think it's just something weird with NVidia gpus.

@DonovanMcNabb5 Yeah I guess I just got lucky with the monitors I've owned cause certainly not anything I've noticed..

@DonovanMcNabb5 no i'll be going for 32" 4k oled. But not until they come down in price 😬

Is too small. I think 32" is the sweet spot for 4K and 27" for 1440p.

@FanaPants 😂 thanks man! Na I've never really used Discord. I'll have to ask my 6yr old son how to use it 🤣

You think that looked good??? I'm guessing if your watching on a small screen and the fact the image is extremely dark you might think that? Have you tried running this yourself at FSR ultra performance?

@@Spratty-wb3is LOL i know its not good, but i know how it looks on lesser cards, 7900xtx looks great in comparison.

@DonovanMcNabb5 ah ok, yeah absolutely!

@TerraWare I've set the mic in the relive software, it's an elgato wave 3. But somehow unless I'm being dumb it's overriding the software cause it keeps turning the volume down and removing the canceling 😂.. Am I right in thinking I can't do HDR? And can I ask what you use to render?

@@Spratty-wb3is I think you can capture HDR but I personally don't mess with HDR. I use Adobe Premiere and Photoshop primarily

@@TerraWare Adobe premier! Rendering with the 7800x3d/7900xtx? And that doesn't take hours? Appreciate the help, I'll look into it..

@@Spratty-wb3is BTW not sure how it appears for elgato but I could choose Steelseries Alias which is my mic in the mic option which would select the mic as the input device or if I run the software which is called Steelseries Sonar Microphone for the mic part I make sure to choose the software, that way it goes through the software with all the similar enhancements you mention. I do the same thing with Nvidia overlay, I choose the software and than separate the voice track from game so I can edit if I have to.

@@Spratty-wb3is You can use hardware encoding in premiere. The 7900XTX is actually really fast in premiere. Right up there with my 4090

If you had a 7950x3d, it would work better but still be slower than Intel in some editing. This is why I have an all Intel pc. For editing and stuff. A 300 dollar 770 16g is as good as cards twice its price in editing. You still have quick sync with intel. A cheap 12900k or 12700k works really well with that setup.

@@myamaha62 I thought that would be the issue. And everything I looked at online pushed towards the gpu handling the capture and the gpu handling the rendering which is why I'm getting massively confused.

@@Spratty-wb3isthe cpu still has to answer everything the gpu requests to do its job. Draw calls. The gpu can be hindered by a low core CPU.

@myamaha62 Dude I'm so dumb I didn't even think that! Thank you!!! So my only real choice if I wanna keep the 7800xd is to buy a capture card?

@@Spratty-wb3is pretty much for content creation or get a 7950x3d. I want you to look at another creator. Tech Notice. You can delete this after you read it. His channel is all about creators and will explain the differences of intel vs Nvidia, vs amd in content creation.

@@DonovanMcNabb5 yeah possibly.. Like I said I was trying to push it too far..

@@Mikail-qc7ul there's a few things! Give me a second to look into it..

@c523jw7 I'd need to try it again but I'm pretty sure I ran DLSS quality and balanced on cyberpunk at 4k and struggled to notice a drop in quality. At performance I did start to notice a couple of things. I think one of those was an area I was driving under power lines and they were starting to show ghosting. I'd have to go back and double check. The rest of the image remained clean, so it wasn't like it turned into a blurry mess. I'm pretty sure when I did my 1440p testing in cyberpunk I actually found dlss quality looked better than native. I'm sure I was able to actually pick up more image data.

I found 4k dlss performance looked better than 1440p dlss quality. Sharper image. I changed the res internally in windows setup and in game so i dont think my tv upscaled up to 4k either. I feel like fg automatically makes you lose quality snd in these pt gsmes im willing to​ sacrifice some quality. But also I'm modding in dlss 3.7.1 as well which is latest version. Pretty clean @Spratty-wb3is

@@c523jw7 Frame gen on a monitor works really well for me. I wonder if a TV handles it differently. I'm gonna assume a TV possibly has more latency. I think a lot of stuff easily gets muddled up when comparing a monitor to a TV..

​​​@@Spratty-wb3isdamn I didn't think about that. I mean it feels good on my tv still. Qn90a latency is very good under 10 I think like 6ms in game mode. Is a monitor worth it given hdr is pretty ord on a monitor vs a tv. I spoke to a computer store here and they basically said if your after hdr monitors are shite. Unless I spend over 1k

@@c523jw7 it more comes down to how you play or want to play. I sit at a desk with keyboard and mouse so a monitor is absolutely the only way for me. If I tried to play on TV with controller I'd be a mess 😂.. But because I am at a dedicated monitor i will have a much higher pixel density and I'm running purely with only dedicated hardware and software. A monitor with no connection to a PC is purely a black screen. TVs have all sorts of image scaling techniques going on.

@@mattparsons8598 it certainly didn't feel great or look great to me !

@FanaPants I find it the best way to use the AMD gpu. FSR tends to make bad AA even worse so going highest resolution possible is the best stable image..

I thought exactly the same until I was testing this game the last two days and to me it doesn't make sense. The only thing in my mind that would make any sense is the fact I was using heavy upscale through FSR and as FSR has no ai help when RT was added it somehow added more load onto the reconstruction FSR was trying to do? Your far more technically minded than me. But I honestly felt like the picture became more blurry when I added RT whilst using heavy upscale than it did without it. Going in and out of menus does make it awkward though.

@@Spratty-wb3is You could also have ray reconstruction enabled on the 4080 that would make RT look cleaner and there would be a noticeable image quality difference between DLSS and FSR too of course, especially below 4K.

@TerraWare I don't use RR in cyberpunk. I find the ghosting a bit much with it on. But I'm not talking really about image quality of RT on the 7900xtx vs 4080. What I mean is when I added RT to an already heavily upscaled image on the 7900xtx I felt like the image quality got even worse. When I turned RT back off I felt like the overall image quality got slightly better. I mean it was terrible already as I was using FSR ultra performance. But it definitely seemed to get even worse with RT or certainly PT added. Or my eyes are playing tricks with me 🤣

@Spratty-wb3is OH ok I understand now. Yeah that's possible. It could ad shimmering I stability I suppose since RT is sometimes rendered at lower resolution anyway it could potentially look even worse with aggressive upscaling.

Doesn't rt look worse in this because amd don't have ray recon?? Is it ray recon or something more? Edit Ok i read the other comments. Don't mind me. I have heard people say this before as well.

Some of them seem more obsessed with RT and even PT than Nvidia bro's. That I find really strange 😂

​@@Spratty-wb3isI know it's crazy

You know what it is? Knowing you can't use the feature fully makes you want it more. They are obsessed because you go down the rabbit hole of trying to get a good experience. Add in the nvidia guys have this clearly over them so there's a bit of let me prove them wrong. When that doesn't work..just take a dump on the feature say it's in beta..then turn on your afmf..which turns off in motion 😂😂 I heard a someone say rt is still in beta recently but convinced afmf is freaking incredible. Why can't these guys accept..rt is just not that good compared to the nvidia side on amd ? 😂

​@@c523jw7yeah ray tracing won't be any good until rdna4 when amd improve on it. That's when it will be great tech no doubt😂

@DwaynedaGamer if someone says to me AMD are better than Nvidia at raster I'm happy to agree. If someone says to me AMD are better value I'm happy to agree. If a Nvidia guy says to an AMD guy that they have a better upscaler or better RT performance they generally throw a fit. And either don't accept it or say RT is trash or Beta and upscalers are shit and no one should use them. And before you tell me I'm wrong I read all the comments in frogs videos and I've watched all the videos he's made saying RT is Beta and DLSS isn't that great. We all see it. I've not read a comment on a Nvidia guy arguing value or Raster performance of AMD.. Or certainly not many.

Yeah frame gen is definitely not something we will see added into benchmarks as its not counted as actual fps. I think a few people do mention that Daniel Owens being one of them.

Appreciate it dude!

@FanaPants I appreciate that man! Yeah it's a broken mess. It's mostly from the RT in the game. Hogsmead is absolutely broken. Turning off RT pretty much fixes it. Frame gen also helps I believe. But it will also smooth out after you've run through new areas for the first time.

@@Spratty-wb3is okay I was sitting going crazy thinking my CPU had gone duff.

@@FanaPants na it's a stuttering mess on both my systems with RT 🤣

@timothysullivan-pm3sl I appreciate that dude... I mean you probably heard me say in between the laughter at the start I didn't want to make that video 😂.. PC or console gamers will never agree, and they don't have to as everyone chooses to play how they want. There's nothing wrong with that as long as it can stay somewhat civil..

@@Spratty-wb3is lol yes yes you did and a little bit of laughter no harm no foul man lmao he just gets really caught up in thinking he has to defend AMD….and exactly man everybody can agree to disagree civilly and have a nice little talk about why lol

@@giarc00007 I appreciate that dude!

@giarc00007 I'm guessing you had Steak for supper right? 😬😂

​@@Spratty-wb3is😂😂👍

@OniiXGaming I could tell anyone in the world the visual sweet spont ain't FSR ultra performance 🤣... I mean, without looking I know DLSS ultra performance at 1440p will be garbage!

He said people were saying AMD were celibate when it came to pt and was proving us wrong. That's funny man 😂😂.

@@c523jw7 I truly don't believe, he believes what he's saying. Surely.

​@@FanaPantshe wants amd to be able to do pt so bad 😂. I think his just trolling, but at this level it flat out borders on lying. It's all under the notion that it's all subjective too...but the new camera has really picked up how bad his subjective opinion is 😂. This sounds mean but I just don't see what he seeing at all. So naturally you can't help but feel his insulting our intelligence in some way.

I am laughing through this entire video haha, brilliant. Mate this was unreal in his head and his words 'This is Crystal Clear image quality' - I am at the point mate he is fully trolling us all. Surely he is not believing what he is saying, or he's really trying hard to convince himself 1440 (480p) is good enough for him when he really knows or wishes he was playing 4K and his Fomo is kicking in. I wish he got a 4090 to try this out, I still reckon if he got a 4090 and tried this game , he would still say his AMD experience is better. The best part is, his 4080 would destroy his XTX with Path Tracing on.

@FanaPants He has to be trolling right? But what if someone didn't know and bought an XTX watching that video 😬🤦‍♂️🤣

@DwaynedaGamer who cares! Have you seen the image I got on the same screen with my 4080! Do you want me to run you a side by side with PT on the same monitor? And yet again what has this got to do with the 4080? This is a video showing a 7900xtx running PT with the sittings I was told to use that would look pristine... So how does it look?

@DwaynedaGamer I'm not sure I'd need to take a look, but I don't see the difference in visual quality at native 3440x1440p vs 3840x1620p VSR. 1620p isn't that far from 1440p so I don't imagine it will have a huge impact, but I wouldn't do it anyway.. I can confidently say dlss quality at 3440x1440 looks better than fsr quality at 3840x1620 VSR. DLSS quality at 1440p actually looks very good in this game and fixes a lot of Native aliasing. Anything below that at 1440p would start to have a negative impact. I know DLSS ultra perfect would look terrible so I already knew how bad FSR ultra performance would look.

@DwaynedaGamer In honesty I think the 7900xtx has the raster performance to just run 4k ultra ewith a decent HDR setup and look perfectly good. I'd rather push a higher resolution then drop to a lower one on the XTX just for the raytacing. Raytracing is great when you have the available overhead but I don't think you should drop settings to try to achieve it. Let's be honest Cyberpunk is starting to show it's age compared to modern games, so I'd still put resolution and textures before even worrying about RT. Whilst doing this recording I also felt like the XTX took a visual hit when enabling RT. I didn't expect that. I'm not sure if that's down to the heavy upscale being pushed harder or what would cause that. I expect that's probably what it was. Maybe at native resolution that wouldn't happen.

@@timothysullivan-pm3sl 7900xtx in 4k ultra with good HDR in this game is perfect..

@@Spratty-wb3is absolutely man I can see that being amazing…..its just a total reach to say it can do path tracing in any meaningful way though lol

@@timothysullivan-pm3slno card exists today that can do path tracing at 4k native, no frame generation at 60fps.

@timothysullivan-pm3sl I'm gonna definitely upset some people with this video 😂.. The thing is I know how bad DLSS ultra performance at this resolution would look so I know how bad FSR would look. It actually however looks worse than I imagined. Funny enough I watched this recording back and filmed it playing on phone. The recording on my phone makes it look better. Filming an image on a screen through a camera definitely improves the actual image that's being shown on the screen....

@@Spratty-wb3is lol its just the truth man 7900xtx is a friggin great card but that's just not it chief lmao that is not what you get that card for lmao

@@Spratty-wb3is one last thing lol 7900xtx is a great card unless you care about being able to enable PT and more demanding RT then it's a disappointment that a 900-1000 dollar gpu that just can't do it….thats where AMD fucked up the price are no better then Nvidia lol

@timothysullivan-pm3sl Yes agreed. The 7900xtx is extremely good at pure raster and will at most times beat my 4080 (destroys it in COD). However what gets ignored is its also pulling over 100w also. So it's not like that extra raster power isn't at some cost. I'm not gonna say that it's a big deal. But in a situation where the 7900xtx might be 5-10 fps faster it's also pulling over 100w to be so.

100%

@strangedotmachine9281 it's the only one i can play M&K with. It doesn't give as much performance as FSR frame generation but also doesn't add as much latency or somehow just feels smoother on M&K. I think both FSR3 frame gen and DLSS frame gen are very good. Just neither for something competitive like COD etc..

@c523jw7 Nvidia frame gen I find feels really good but obviously not native. If 160 was native,he frame gen feels 120ish FSR frame gen produces more frames but feels a little more latency so more like if 160 was native, fsr frame gen feels like 100ish AFMF if 160 is native feels like 80 or even 60 as it adds that much more latency.

@Spratty-wb3is so if I'm getting 90 frames what 65 ish or more frames??

@c523jw7 if I was using Nvidia frame gen at 90fps it would feel like playing at 60fps but look like 90fps. Yeah that's about right. It has the lowest latency of what's available.

@myamaha62 I'm definitely gonna pick up an intel gpu on their next gen!

@@c523jw7 😬🤣

Until the latency issue is figured out, so it's not affecting you or giving you that feeling it's not real when panning. Then I will 100% use it.

@FanaPants I'm not sure I felt a benefit 😅.. I felt a lot of latency and some stutter but I'm not sure I actually felt a benefit 🤷‍♂️

@DonovanMcNabb5 In the tab that shows your games? Admittedly I didn't look there. I looked in the graphics settings and display tab and couldn't find anything..

@@Spratty-wb3is when you go into the games tab and it shows all your games. You can click on the game and adjust a lot of gpu settings specifically for each game.

@myamaha62 cool I didn't realise that! Thanks I'll check that out..

@timothysullivan-pm3sl That's exactly what I feel. I almost found myself deliberately not playing how I normally would because of it.. I dunno I might try it in slow paced first person game but then I don't need the frames so the added latency doesn't particularly make sense. FSR 3 and more so DLSS I don't really feel the latency that much.

@@Spratty-wb3is honestly I would never pick a fake 180 FPS over a real 90 FPS. When FPS are that high to begin with I just don’t see the point in a frame generator lol

Until frame generators can make a 30 FPS game look and feel close to 60 FPS They are not that important to me lol

@giarc00007 I can only assume we are doing something wrong 🤷‍♂️😅

Is it the same top tuber who said dlss gives pixelated graphics but likes fsr..at ultra performance 😂. Was it dilusional foundry by chance?? 😂😂

​@c523jw7 how did you guess😂😂

@@c523jw7 Speaking of FSR ultra performance 😬🤣

@@Spratty-wb3is it's mwah magnificent. If that's impressive the 4080 is absolutely out of this world at pt. So get this I change my resolution to 3860 x 1600p in windows and in game for cyberpunk (4k 😉😉😅) . Then I add dlss balance and fg and get 80+ frames. So my tv puts black bars to do this making a smaller screen. I feel that it gives as good if not better image quality than 4k dlss performance on that game. My tv puts that aspect ratio on but the signal is still 3840x2160. What is going on here? Is this true 3840x1600 or a mangled version??

@OniiXGaming Yeah I can agree on that! You think it'll get better, or is it at its limits just by purely not or ever being capable of having the information of dlss and fsr frame generation?

@@Spratty-wb3is did you ever try it when was on BETA?

@OniiXGaming na I only got this 7900xtx about 4 months ago! I guess if it's improved a lot since then, maybe there's more room for improvement if that's what your saying? But then realistically FSR 3 frame gen gives a similar performance boost and works so much better surely they just need to get that in more games?

@Spratty-wb3is it was terrible on the beta. But realistically, this is good on very old games like crysis, for example. but I was hoping for afmf Emulation mod, especially the PS3 Emulator, which is really hard on the CPU.

@OniiXGaming I never played Crysis. First person shooter? Is it relatively slow paced? I'm thinking maybe first person camera might seem better than 3rd maybe? I mean I can read a lot of people use it and like it so I guess it has its place and maybe I just haven't found it. But if it's playing at 160 fps for me it felt like 100fps with a ton of latency and some judder. 80 fps just felt better to me, certainly in that test!

@FanaPants Difference from the 7800x3d to the 13700k? In gaming both feel very much the same. I'd imagine the 7800x3d is gonna produce more frames 9/10 times. On desktop application and startup etc the 7800x3d feels a lot slower. In games the 7800x3d only pulls around 50w which is a bonus..