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Haha, I had a giant ice cube that had melted so it was pretty diluted at that point. Unfortunately not as much whiskey as it was water 😔

It's definitely possible, though in doing all my research around his character I'm more convinced that he was either never human to begin with, or was possibly a human but then turned into a humanoid puppet before being put into the lamp. As for the blood--I don't think it's his. I think it's the blood of whoever brought him (as a lamp) to the train. But--as with lots of things with this game--there's no way to know for sure! That's why I love digging into the lore so much.

It's at 488 right now! We're getting close! And thanks for your support 👍

@@inspektahmcduck It‘s still not enough for this much research and effort put into a video, keep up the great work man!

@@simnrm I really appreciate the kind words! I work hard to make sure my vids are high quality and enjoyable

The thought of Gemini "uploading" combat information to us is definitely and interesting thought. Our interactions with him and the way our Ergo is tied into his could have implications that no one has even considered yet. That being said, without getting too far into the weeds here, I believe that the Specters we summon are actually future/alternate versions of us that we call to our plane. The device itself is called Crack's Calling, which makes me think it links fissures between our reality and another. Aside from the body and hairstyle looking similar to us at the end of the game, the Spectre joins the fight using the weapon we can obtain from that particular boss once we defeat them and exhange their Ergo for it. There's a bit more information out there that can corroborate this theory, though I have also considered the plausibility of it actually being an alternate version of Gemini that we summon from another time and plane; one who was never destroyed and possibly even fulfilled the role we take in his world. Anyway, now I'm rambling--thanks for your comment and for getting me thinking about this stuff all over again. :)

Good question and hopefully I can provide you with a reasonable answer. First--you're right, there's no mention to it in the game. I've seen other lore videos where people get into the etymology of certain names and terms but that's not really what I'm here for; I'm trying to figure out as much as we can with what we know through the eyes of the game. Reaching beyond the confines of the in-game lore to try to figure out the reason why he may be named Gemini feels irresponsible for this type of video, though that's not to say it wouldn't make a good topic for discussion on its own. Second, while you could argue a few points around Gemini meaning "twins" (like having "dual identities," one being the broken Gemini at the start and then the fixed Gemini soon after, or him having a life before he was put into a lamp) it's not enough to warrant drawing attention to it. Including something purely speculative like that in this video would be--in my opinion--a distraction from the larger observations that I'm trying to make. Hope that makes sense.

He's my neighbor, that's probably why . . I'm kidding, I'd never even heard of the guy until you mentioned him. I wonder if he plays Lies of P too? 🤔

He looks more like thomas sanders imo, The guy from vine

Go for it! It's been a while since I did it but I honestly don't remember it being that difficult at all. Just a bit of a grind because you need at least two playthroughs to use the Boss Ergo twice to get their weapon and their amulet.

@@inspektahmcduck yeah it is just a question of getting the motivation. Most bosses I beat in a single digit amount of tries :D

@@eziothedeadpoet Yep, I hear you. What made it more fun for me was beating the game with the HUD turned off. I was turning it off a lot to make the clips I needed for my YT vids anyway, and I realized it's way more intense when you're not sure how much health or stamina you have left.

@@inspektahmcduck Oh shoot that's not something I'll be brave enough for 😅. Also I wanted to come back to say that I really love how much time you put into the loading screens cause with english being a second language to me and having dyslexia and the game on a M.2 SSD it is really hard to read them when they pop up and due to my ADHD I lack the motivation/drive to actually use the steam recording feature or screenshots to actually read them. Which is a shame on my part cause they are actually really good. Also I am looking forward to whatever your next project might be. 😊

@@eziothedeadpoet Ah, I'm glad to know that it helps! I agree that the game loads too fast to get to read them sometimes, which is a shame because there's some great lore and information in there. The Lies of P wiki has screenshots of a lot of them if you're curious to read some. And I'm looking forward to figuring out whatever my next project might be. 😁

You willed it into existence!! But seriously, thanks for the support. With any luck it will be less than 6 months before my next video drops. Not making any promises though!

I absolutely love your breakdown and all of the questions you're asking; I'm asking myself the same ones. I do have some fairly satisfying headcannon that ties all of this together in a pretty nice way and at some point I might attempt to put it all into one cohesive story. For now, I'll just say that Isabelle was way more like Batman than anyone may realize; as a Stalker she would experience the "worst" parts of Krat and see where the city needed the most help. As herself and as a philanthropist, she had the ability to enact change in those areas that she may otherwise have been oblivious to. As for the death of Carlo and her ties there...I've got theories there too, but for this video I tried to stick to evidence as much as possible without getting too deep into conjecture. Maybe in a future vid. ;)

Thanks for the encouragement. I took a break for a bit but might slowly try to get back into making vids. I agree, there's so much untold lore and I'm surprised there aren't more Lies of P content creators out there. It's a fantastic story. In case you missed it, I just uploaded a new vid about The Legendary Stalker if you want to check that out!

Thank you! And thanks for stopping by!

That's something I've been battling with forever and can't make up my mind about. There's so many questions around the lamp(s), the crickets, and how people used the crickets. It's been some time since I originally made this video and at this point I do think your theory is probable; they may all have had basic speech capabilities, so what makes Gemini "unique" isn't necessarily his ability to speak, but his ability to communicate via Ergo. Man, I feel like I could make a whole video just trying to sort through thoughts like this. Anyway, thanks for commenting!

It's not "Stop and smell the roses," it's "Stop and read the item descriptions" :) The story works well enough on its own during a playthrough, but it's crazy how much deeper the lore goes if you take the time to investigate.

Yep! That's what I get into towards the end of the video (check out 27:53). We and Sophia are the only ones who can hear him because it's all over an Ergo wavelength, not auditory speech.

That would be a fantastic mod for someone to make. Every time you're in a new or dangerous situation Gemini is basically like "Whatever, idk." Like a broody pre-teen. But seriously, his voice and his personality is a pretty divisive aspect of the game. The first time I heard him speak after being fixed I felt it was way out of place with the tone of the rest of the game but I eventually got used to it.

Thanks for the kind words. After my first two videos my brain was a little tired but comments like yours encouraged me to get back into it. I just posted a new one about The Legendary Stalker if you want to check it out. Let me know what you think!

Thanks! I took a break for a bit but might slowly start easing back into it. I just dropped one about the Legendary Stalker if you want to check it out and let me know what you think!

I appreciate the encouragement! I had stepped away from the YT thing for a bit but I saw your comment and a few others and it inspired me to get back into it. Thanks for watching!

@@inspektahmcduck Happy to have you back!

I agree! I'm usually drawn to weird side characters and I think The Mad Donkey is my favorite in Lies of P because his backstory (and the mystery around it) drives me the craziest out of anyone else. Always read your item descriptions and you'll feel the tingles in your brain as you start making connections. It's a wonderful sensation. :)

My doctor and my bank account both wish you were right!

Thanks man! It's been two months since you made this comment...what playthrough are you on now? ;)

@inspektahmcduck i had to stop there's too many games out rn😂😂😂

@@Enzo-gw7zf Ha, I know how that goes. After I made my first two Lies of P vids I took a break to play a couple other things and then Elden Ring DLC came out. Too many games, not enough time!

It's definitely possible and would make sense since Medoro would want to go into hiding, so why not assume a new identity? The issue I have with that theory--as I just said to someone else--is that the things he does in the game seem out of character for the Medoro we know. Everything we learn about him shows him as a hero, as someone who opposes the Alchemists, and as one of Sophia's friends. So why would he then decide to team up with the Alchemists and betray us by revealing our hideout (the Hotel) to the enemy? Medoro was a fighter for truth and was trying to expose the Alchemists, so it would be a pretty stark turn for him to decide to work for them and try to bring us down. That's just my opinion though, and anything is possible for sure.

First, thanks for the all of the details around this theory. It's an interesting take and does seem plausible. The thing with Lies of P is that there are known inconsistencies between the translations of various languages, so figuring out the true intent isn't always easy. Can you remember any specific phrases/collectibles/etc in the German version that support this theory? If what you're saying is true then that would be an interesting twist for sure, but one thing that's keeping me from thinking that Medoro is the one who stole Alidoro's identity is the fact that he double-crosses us; he's working with the Alchemists and leads the Black Rabbit Brotherhood to the Hotel. He admits that he doesn't care for the people inside and is acting selfishly, which doesn't align with all of the good things Medoro tried to do as a reporter and as a friend of Sophia's. It feels out of character for him. But who knows? He could be angry and jaded and these are his true colors finally showing through as a man who has been beaten down and is giving up. The thing I love about Lies of P lore is that it can be interpreted in so many different ways and it's up to each of us individually to decide what we want to believe.

I appreciate the feedback! It takes a lot of effort to decide what needs to be included and what could realistically be tossed out so this is great encouragement.

That's a fantastic thought and something I had never considered. I suppose in theory you might assume that he could create a small "safe" zone around him, but it would come down to your willingness to separate Ergo itself from the Ergo spores that the Stargazers collect. Should we assume that they're one in the same, and that every instance of Ergo also contains some amount of toxic spores? Or can Ergo energy exist without the presence of spores? I lean towards the latter, and would say that Gemini is/was capable of absorbing Ergo as energy but he wasn't designed or equipped to capture the spores themselves. So, in effect, I personally don't think he would function as a portable Stargazer in that regard. Great question though and it made me think!

Thanks for the kind words! Since I released this vid I've been trying to come up with alternative theories but so far this one remains my favorite!

I agree! As soon as I finished my first playthrough and experienced the story once I couldn't wait to go back through and see if there were things about Gemini that I missed. I hope they give us some more information too!

Unfortunately not--I'm just a normal dude with a full time job and making these videos is a hobby, but there is an official Lies of P Discord out there with a dedicated lore channel. It's probably pretty easy to find through a quick internet search. In the meantime, feel free to throw questions around here and see if you can get a good discussion going! I'd personally love to hear what you're thinking.

@@inspektahmcduck That's good to know. I'll have to check the official group out. In the meantime, one of the things rolling around in my head is that I suspect that Romeo was the vector through which the the Rose Estate Petrification disease outbreak was delivered. There is a loading screen that says that that something like [A boy slowly dying of the Petrification Disease made a deal to save others]. Then there is a document in the Opera house that seems to describe the creation of the King of Puppets that discusses the owner of the body getting revenge. Romeo himself has strange coloring, more like what you'd see from an alchemist's experiment. If he made a deal with the alchemists to be used in their experiments in an attempt to further a cure, and they used him as patient zero for the extremely contagious version of the disease that decimated the Rose Estate, he would probably want revenge against them. Whatever they did to him might have also helped make him such a good candidate to be turned into a puppet; his lifespan would be partially made into ergo, but he might not be totally petrified.

Other thoughts: 1) The Monad Charity House was supposedly founded (or run?) by the younger members of the Monad family. Does Sophia have a sibling? Could the Legendary Stalker be a Monad? 2) Carlo was "like family" to Lady Antonia. In front of the opera house, there is a statue with a dedication to Camille. Why put this here? Why not somewhere near the workshop, or somewhere associated with engineering? I believe that the nearby fountain plaque mentions the Ceresani family. Could Camille, and by extension Carlo, be related to the Ceresanis? 3) Did Antonia teach or help Carlo learn to play the piano? I think there was doodling on the flyer for the performance at the Monad Charity House which seemed to imply that the flyer had a picture of Carlo in which he "looked like a donkey". If he was in the picture for a concert, was he playing the piano? 4) In Medoro's report from the Hermit's Cave, he mentions that Sophia disappeared, Lorenzini lost hope, Lumachio is sick (I think), and H is dead. Was H the Hound (the real Alidoro)? Who is Lumacchio? 5) I suspect that unlike Chekov's Gun, there are a few letters/references/characters that are never meant to be important to the story as much as the worldbuilding. I can't help but feel that the Robber Weasel, who had plenty of dialogue, was just a tough street kid. 5) Even though the description says that Monad's lamp contains a cricket puppet, I suspect that it's really just a little, metal cast of a stationary cricket. Maybe that's where the ergo crystal goes? Large puppets have "hearts" that contain their ergo and resemble human hearts. There is no good reason to have a mobile cricket puppet inside of a lamp. From a pure machine design perspective, I think that Monad's lamp and other similar systems were steampunk GPS's with lights, that made cute cricket noises and maybe gave directions or other information? Maybe Sophia's lamp was very high end and contained a speaker. Broken Gemini sort of sounded like he was talking through one. --Thank you for letting me ramble. This stuff has been driving me nuts.

More thoughts: 1) The large King of Puppets is a theater prop. It is a mechanized costume intended to be operated by a human. It has a built-in comedy/tragedy mask. It is located in the opera house around the same time when an opera was being held with a character who was the Puppet Prince, played by Adelina Corday. The prince's father would be the Puppet King. Romeo wore the King of Puppets body as a disguise...maybe he was ordered to. His actual body would have raised a lot of very disturbing questions, and he was theoretically active before the puppet frenzy. Venigni knew of him. So did Sophia, which is interesting, since she supposedly couldn't reach puppets other than P (maybe puppets who were bound by the Grand Covenant?) 2) P was built with all of the most cutting edge bells and whistles from the workshop. We know he can breathe, which could be extended to allow him to speak without a speaker (air supply + vocal chords + mobile mouth and tongue. The last bit is the hard part). I think that system was developed for the Opera Spider-Ladies.

Thanks for saying so! I agree 😎

It has 1,879 views now :) I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment!

That's exactly what it is, except it's not a total fabrication and was built by research and evidence. That's part of what I love about this game--the ambiguities that give you just enough information to help you piece together a theory that makes the most sense to you, but that same information can easily be interpreted differently by someone else. Do you have a personal theory about Gemini that differs from mine?

No, I just meant like, old vaatividya felt like he was uncovering the truth hidden in the game. This I am less convinced by, but I’ll think about it though.

@@pastafarian7 Oh sure, Vaati's a pro, and--not trying to make excuses here--but this is the first time I've attempted to figure out lore on my own. There may be some relevant information in the game that I missed and that Vaati would have noticed, but I did my best to scour every detail and tie things together. I've found that what's different about Lies of P versus the Souls games is that the main story is told outright in a more straightforward manner, but the mysteries seem to have fewer clues surrounding them as a whole. Maybe the devs are holding out to give us more info in the DLC, or maybe we're never meant to know the answers; either way I was disappointed that Vaati didn't take the time to dive into Lies of P lore so that's why you get me instead of him. :) And I take absolutely no offense if you're not convinced by my theory, though I do hope you can at least recognize the significance of some of the evidence I've collected and maybe draw your own conclusions from there.

Thanks for the comment and the encouragement; I appreciate it!

That could definitely make for some interesting plot points. Imagine if Gemini gets damaged again and his second personality becomes corrupted and he becomes the villain, a mastermind that can manipulate Ergo. Though I guess all you'd need to do to stop him is throw him in a river or something