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As we mentioned in the film; all the sources can be found in the opinion-paper which the film is based on. It is in the link in the description. Nowhere in the film are we neglecting farming as such - but the highly industrialized livestock-farming that prevails today does pose problems - the scale and methods that are in use now is in conflict with long term food security. What we say is that there is enough evidence for rewilding with the purpose of building a food source that we ought to try it out as an experiment and see if it works. We suggest an experiment with 50.000 hectares with sufficient time and funding to get to the answer. in Europe - This is a tiny fraction of the space allocated for fodder crops and also a fraction of the funding that farming is subsidized with.

@WILDFOODSYSTEMS I get your point, it would be nice to see how those experiments workout. The problems that you are trying to address relate mostly to the developed world. The reality that I can see is quite different: here most of the cattle raised to produce meat roams free in large areas, as it travels through large plains without much control, it eats wild grass and herbs, the land doesn't degrade due to the extension. Land is highly concentrated in a few hands, the accumulation didn't happen naturally but instead it was the result of a violent process, we didn't get to develop advance industry, people moving to the cities wasn't the result of economic incentives but instead a security concern: the country side became too dangerous... Degrowth perspectives are challenging, global markets might just be one of the few things that actually work for us, foreign investment and capital are the only options available in order to achieve social mobility.

@@sebastian2zen I get your point. Exactly - a lot of the developed world is very heavily farmed - and on top of that it imports fodder crops from places where it leads to deforestation - things you probably know since you sound very informed. Where in the world do you live? Greetings from Denmark

@@WILDFOODSYSTEMSCool, I am from Colombia, this a large country with lots of climates, the region that I describe as the plains is shared with Venezuela, it is low population density region, characterized by savanna and wetlands, the main economic activities are extensive cattle ranching and petroleum extraction. Sadly the extractive economy promoted a social organization in which the means of production were centralized, this in turn created the incentive for violent minority groups to take over control.

​@@WILDFOODSYSTEMS Cool, I am from Colombia, this is a large country with several climates, the region that I describe as the plains is shared with Venezuela. It is a low density region characterized by savanna and wetlands, the main economic activities are extensive cattle ranching and petroleum extraction. Sadly the extractive economy centralized the means of production, this in turn created the incentive for a violent minority to take over control.

We are saying that raising livestock in feedlots on a huge scale causes serious problems down the line - we are not proposing to raise lions - we are proposing to act as civilized predator in a wild food system

@@WILDFOODSYSTEMS Thanks for the responses, I agree on taking responsibility, yet I completely disagree on the wild life food system, if you ever have had the opportunity to spend your time in a farm, you would understand how disconnected is the proposition from actual reality. Disrupting existing food supplies will cause way more trouble, and a lot of human suffering. The proposition is not feasible for most of the population 😕

We know it can sound provocative or controversial - as foods and different trades are things people hold dear - and we are definitely aware of the heat farmers sometimes take from the public. We are also aware of the big debt troubles farmers can be in at times. But there are some highly concerning things happening to biodiversity almost everywhere. We are not suggesting our proposal to happen overnight - we are suggesting any changes or experiments to be made as a gradual thing.We do have experience from farms in different ways. Exactly how to feed the huge population numbers right now is not something we claim we can do with any certainty. But maybe if we ate less meat - but of a higher quality, preferably wild or grass fed- it would all work out.

You can find sources for this in: What Your Food Ate by Anne Biklé and David R. Montgomery. It is a great read

Hi, thank you for taking an interest and challenge our claims. As you point out yourself - farming became more reliable and safe - because the animals that were available for hunting became more scarce. Food security is safety - so I don't see the disagreement on this point

Hi, the difference is minor - slightly shorter intro, and NPK is renamed to Nitrogen, Phosphros and potatassium to match the language used in the US. We will make a much shorter version soon for broader reach. The film has established interesting contacts - for instance @projectsavanna on instagram and his blog, he is making interesting rewilding.

Hi, can understand why you ask! the difference is mainly a shorter intro because we could see the intro had very poor retention. We just made this to see if youtubes algorithm liked it better!

Thank you very much! In nature, you can say a predator is keeping itself alive - with the side effect of regulating and balancing the population of grazers. If we are to act as the civilized predator in this modern version, our role is similar in the sense that we get food, but different in the sense that we can overpower the grazers easily - which means we have to "consciously manage" our predation so it is optimal for the system and ourselves. This is different from regular predators who compete in the system - which then self-regulate. A lion for instance will not become too successful and kill off all the grazers because they evolve gradually along with their prey - unlike us, who were able to pick up tools among other things and become very dominant.

Other roles/effects predators have is to scare off grazers so that they move around which benefits the landscape, they also generate and distribute prey carcasses which attracts some animals while repelling others. These dynamics belong to a phenomenon called trophic cascades. How much we would need to synthesize these effects is a really interesting question. It would be a process of discovery if we tried to create a wild food system... but there are also many unknowns with farming. Hope this answered you question

Hi, we haven't read the book you mention, but thanks for the tip! We don't propose a specific plan on whether everyone should own a land plot or not - but yes we do propose growing fruit and vegetables in a regenerative/organic way and having wild landscapes for hunting.

Thanks, we will check it out!

@ The creator of Pliestocene Park, Sergei Zimov, wrote a little book detailing a very similar concept to what you have laid out in this video, it's called Wild Field Manifesto

@@PILLOWKVLT Thank you again! We follow the Zimov family's work closely! We also use their estimates in our opinion paper!

Cool, good to hear!

Mange tak:) Ja vi kender til pleistocene park, men har ikke været der... Mr Zimov er helt klart (måske sammen med franz vera) pioner nr 1! Ja det ville være fedt med en savanne i dk x)

Hi there, we completely agree. This idea, the research and the filmmaking has been going on for quite some time - as we also mention it is based on an opinion paper(which one of us made before the film - it is in the link) - while working on all these things we have talked to many people, but after releasing the visualization - more and more people are catching on to the idea... As we speak we do not have a specific partner to start the project - but it is our hope that the film could be the beginning of connections happening - with or without us. Are you involved in things related to food or biology? Thanks for the kind words and for the interest.

@@WILDFOODSYSTEMS thanks for the fast reply! I’m currently just a nature and biology enthusiast. I love our planet think ideas like this are essential to making sure what we have now is sustainable for not only our generation but the future generations as well! I’m currently a United States, Texas resident, and I’m sure agencies such as Texas parks and wildlife would be very interested in this concept, and might have the resources available to do an experiment on this scale. I hope to see more from your channel and this concept. I will spread the word as well!

@Faithwalksfirst Hi again, and thanks for your quick reply and your good suggestions. We who made the film are from Denmark. Good to hear that it resonates with you in Texas.

Hi, thank you for your interest. You are definitely right that this is a super difficult terrain of opposing interests - financial and sometimes also ideological. It is our hope that the more people who see the good reasons for trying this out the more likely it is that some group succeeds in making a first try with it somewhere - where there is either enough agreement between parties or just one big landowner willing to try it(probably with some governmental support). If that happened, and people saw all these positive benefits hopefully the opposition would diminish.

Hi Ian, the transition from foraging to farming, known as the Neolithic Revolution, was a gradual process that occurred over thousands of years. Based on the available evidence, it appears that plant domestication slightly predates animal domestication, though the two processes occurred in close succession and often overlapped. This is the latter part of our film, if you are interested a new idea for how to produce food in a time climate crisis - give our full film a watch, it is on our channel

​@@WILDFOODSYSTEMSthanks for that.

@@IanBarker-r1l you are welcome

Thank you very much!!!

Hej Oskar. Det kan man kun sige med sikkerhed ved at prøve det. Filmen prøver at samle puslespillet ud fra erfaringer med game reserves i afrika, oostvardersplassen i holland og et eksperiment i gulf of mexico samt med generel økologisk teori og naturhistorie. vi har lavet et estimat i vores opinion paper på 6 ton pr km2/år så vidt jeg husker, men det er ekstremt usikkert og kan ikke bruges til særlig meget..

Hi there, there are credits in the description of our main film. The one named: WILD FOOD SYSTEMS Nature vs. Farming - The animation and script and editing etc. is NOT at all ai - only the actual voicing is done with an ai tool and even that has been heavily edited by human hand to sound the way it does. Hope that was helpful?

Tak Peter og helt enig, jo flere der er optimistiske omkring ideen des mere muligt vil det være at udtage land til det - og jo flere der tænker i de her baner des mere sandsynligt er det at nogen der allerede har jord eller anskaffer jord får mod på at kaste sig ud i det.

Thank you!

Thank you Jordan - sincerely