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oh gosh this episode is so important to me you just narrated my exact journey over the last two years with getting help, it's like we were living similar parallel lives and we're now both on the other side and finally have our lives back. it was so validating hearing almost everything ive been through told from someone outside of me and remembering that i freaking did it and got better im so grateful

no bc ur right

I lost my little brother to depression almost four years ago. I am grateful you talk on mental health and getting help. Thank you!!

hi I also have bipolar 2 and relate to so much of what madeline experienced especially. i’m kind of in shock about how similar our experiences are/were even though everyone experiences are so unique. but it’s literally textbook illness, so it’s not our choice we are literally sick. have to take meds everyday too, I always say now I have a choice to do things when before I couldn’t. love you guys🩷

I am so grateful for you girls for dropping this pod 🌸💖

wow! so helpful/relatable ❤

Need you girls to know that after 1 episode this instantly became my favorite pod and it has only gotten better🧚🏼‍♀️ seriously listening to you two makes me feel smarter and stronger and warmer it’s so special

thank you for this episode madeline & maal. i’ve been struggling with mental illness for years and it hasn’t been easy. i felt so seen in this episode. you guys deserve the world. 🩷

also as someone who is absolutely awful at putting things, especially feelings, into words, maal's metaphors and reflections are soooo helpful i will be using them

"why don't you just squint harder" had me YELLING the glasses metaphor is so silly and hilarious to imagine but also genuinely so perfect?? madeline you are actually a genius

Kudos to your honesty and courage

I'm 30 years old and struggling with depression again after having done better fairly recently. I love the mention of the lighthouse of hope. I still feel pretty bad but, now I have a little pep in me hearing that reminder. I'm still waiting for the day when I can run off into the sunset and only deal with natural issues and lows as opposed to full on depression. 🤍❣️🤍

thank you sweetheart for sharing so much of yourself with us. it’s scary it really is to even share with those you know but it really gives me an ounce of hope. i think i’m extremely close to uncovering everything in therapy and making sense of it. coming to terms past diagnosis, and getting to a place where i can admit to myself that experiences were traumatic. all of its part of the process and i hope that sharing is beneficial to your process aswell 🫶

Can I say something? I don’t think there are any birds that are “meant for cages” and I think that adds to the analogy. Once birds become domesticated and of servitude, against their will, they are no longer desirable. Think of all the pigeons with no where to go nowadays.

Can I say something? (This isn’t a critical comment, I’m just sharing my experience because you two inexplicably feel like friends to me…yes, the parasocial is parasocialing.) lol I actually don’t have anything to say yet but hi. I’m here.

You’re so close to 3k omg.

Madeline, thank you so much for this episode. I give you so much credit talking about this on your platform and I found it really helpful to me personally. I would be very interested in you exploring topics like this in the future, to whatever extent you feel comfortable discussing it. <3

Loved this. Please talk about this more, it really helped ❤️

Speaking on the Joe Rogan conversation, I think it’s also important to remember that antidepressants/saris are not fun or even helpful if they are not needed. It is an issue in some communities where antidepressants are over prescribed and given to children very young and often unnecessary, but that is more so an issue with big pharma and the avoidance of mental health issues in themselves, not wanting to pay attention to your child and instead just prescribing meds without talking to them. The result of taking antidepressants unnecessarily and from a young age is not “not being able to deal with sadness” and is not easy and fun!!

its interesting to think that when you’re in that dark mental space you literally hate yourself and you blame yourself for everything, and then you get out of it and it gets better and you don’t hate or blame that past version of yourself that couldn’t get better, you just wish to comfort and validate them, and tell them that it will, in fact, get better

I love that you talk about not being the best person and partner and friend when you’re doing badly! It can feel SO shameful and affect how you view yourself as a person. It’s so nice to hear someone speak on it and that, even though your actions aren’t good and mental health isn’t an excuse, it doesn’t make you a bad person. Side note: I’ve been following for a while and I loved watching your videos while you were very depressed. Not in the way that I’m happy you’re depressed ofc, but it can be so comforting and inspiring to post about it. I wasn’t watching at my worst, but I never had fully gotten past how things used to be and I think some part of me still thought it was only me. Thank you ❤❤

im on lamictal too!

the actively not looking at the victorias secret models as i walked past them 😭 crying

How did I know you were talking about Natalie Viglucci as soon as you said picked you up in a truck. She thinks she is better than everyone but lives in a shitty house and drives a broken down car. She is not a nice person is super judgmental and is homophobic. If I didn't know better I would say she was a trans man. She's currently cosplaying Soph Mosca's girlfriend for clout and probably money too so Soph can be with her boyfriend in real life.

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Can I say something? The vanillafacation of BDSM has been a huge issue. The root of the problem is mainstream folks taking aspects of BDSM without adhering to the cardinal rule of consent. There is no BDSM without consent. Any situation that doesn’t have consent is not BDSM it’s abuse. That’s just the facts. I think while p*rn has contributed to it I think another huge influence is romance books and media. Think like 50 shades. These are not proper sources of safe BDSM material because they lack the foundational material of explaining what BDSM is, what it’s stands for, and what it cannot be. The mainstream took the hot taboo part and left out the basis of the entire culture which is consent. Not only has it affected vanilla relationship dynamics but then also the BDSM community ends up getting backlash for bad actors who aren’t acting in the best interests of the community or their partners. So unfortunately the issue never falls on that abusive individual but ends up falling on the community and giving them a bad name. When in reality to enter these types of spaces you have to do a lot of work and education and safety measures before you can begin participating. Overall it’s sad because something that can be super important and beautiful and sacred has been co-opted by people who didn’t do the work. It’s reminiscent of the situation you mentioned with straight people eventually adopting queer culture and diluting its meaning and significance. And of course not everyone is kinky. And that’s a good thing. If we were all the same then the community wouldn’t have a reason to exist. Diversity is important in all aspects of human existence. Every person is different and the only thing that matters is consent and respect. Without those there is nothing.

Could not agree more

lol

I wish this podcast was 24 hours long

Hey I just wanted to let you guys know this podcast is my favorite thing ever. You work soo well together, I love your perspective on things and you give such well advice. I’ve had a hard time lately and this was a complete serotonin boost. Love you lots and hope you continue this journey for as long as you can:))

I literally loveee u guys, im so happy i found this podcast

every time i watch one of these it just makes my heart so warm like y'all are my older sisters <3 this is such a special pod

I Loved this episode! I used to watch Trevor Noah with my sisters so when Maal said his name I was like "Wait, I love Trevor Noah". It was cool to learn about men wanting to cage exotic birds. I loved that Madeline mentioned Pretty Bird because I remember when she posted her doing a reading of that poem and I was Obsessed as well as her reading the poem Like Totally Whatever. To be able to connect with other people's art and use it as an outlet when you may not have the words or the other person just articulates it so perfectly, it is something truly beautiful. I appreciate and relate to Maal speaking over losing her passion for work/school because I lost mine and while I don't have it back entirely there are certain classes where I do get excited and can see that part of myself peeking through. Love this podcast 🩷

Bc you often say that you're afraid of being too unserious on the pod I have to say: I woke up the other day feeling TERRIBLE bc I dreamed of my ex 3 nights in a row and I have no close friends where I live to talk about this. The first thing I did was listen to an episode and it made me feel light again. Yapping is so important you're doing god's work

the lake Michigan take was SPOT ON

i think it just clicked to me who it is lmao

i’m sorry but straight people do not kiss people of the same gender…

I would LOVEEE an episode on how passonaite she is about being single

first i discovered the upstairs neighbor podcast now i stumbled upon this gem u guys are doing great :)

that resonated with me

Lol. I literally had that thought about my English teacher. And she was 65 then. I.... I think I was just too horny back then

Can I say something? I think both u gals would LOVE Fiona Apple if you aren’t already familiar with her music. If you haven’t already, you should listen to some of her stuff just saying.😘🤍

maal I rly like how you talk about your friendships and cherishing them. But have you experienced distancing with a close friend - can you give advice on how to deal with it

You girls make me so much more appreciative of what I have and so much more positive about having a life I can struggle with ON MY OWN !! We’re all lucky girls 🤍 Cisses xoxo

can I say something, why does the camera keep unfocusing. okay but every single word EXACTLY HOW I FEELLLL OMG

The guy who came up with love languages is problematic! He believes in spousal r***

my comfort podcast ❤

i'm soooo interested in your take on p*rn/sexual trends! especially considering how "dark romance" is being fed to young girls these days (also i love love love this pod, you're both so smart, funny, and creative!! listening to you has been motivating me to pursue more of my creative interests. wish you two the absolute best <3)

can we please be friends? 😫😫