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I agree with what you said. I could make a joke about Gordon Ramsey doing an overnight makeover to a restaurant but it would be Fazbear Entertrainment's reputation that was at stake following 1985. If customers thought the original animatronics had a part to play in it, then new more sophisticated ones could convince people to come back. A grand re-opening would give people a sense of change from the owners. And a change was needed. The time it took to get new animatronics could be quick in 1985. The haunting of the toy endos didn't have to happen until events in 1987.

Glad to hear it!

William's nightmare experiments is not a theory I agree with. From my video "Fredbear Plush is important" I talk about Mike's connection with nightmare Fredbear. The short notes are; crying child's memories removed in FNAF 4, Rory's fears kept Fredbear Plush energized with emotion, after FNAF 3 Mike in Circus Baby rental is close to Fredbear Plush and experiences the memories from the brother. From the story "your the band" we understand memories can transfer from haunted objects to people. Rory is being used to keep CC's memories active until CC could be put back together. Therefore no nightmare experiments.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness ...WE LITERALLY SEE THE FNAF 4 MAPS LABELED AS "OBSERVATION DECKS" AND THE HALLUCINATION GAS IN THE PRIVATE ROOM. THERES LITERALLY A WHOLE MECHANIC OF SL CN WHERE MINIREENAS AND YENNDO LET OUT THE GAS TO DRAIN YOUR OXYGEN?!?! Dude...did you READ Dittophobia? It literally has Rory heading into CBEAR and seeing Ballora and Lolbit, after escaping the nightmare experiments. Dittophobia is the most flat out CANON FNaF story in the entire series. Even more than "The Mimic" or "Into the Pit" Because unlike those two, Dittophobia describes both FNaF 4 and Sister Location PERFECTLY. The only characters left out were probably rented out...and Nightmare Fredbear, who we know isn't real and was likely made up by Mike after being injected with remnant in SL. Plushtrap even cameos in Dittophobia.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadnessIt's also way more likely the story is closer to Alone Together than "You're the Band" where someone can be possessed by a spirit or their remnant. Mike being scooped, for example, would implant him with remnant about the experiments.

Did you read Dittophobia? ​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness

because unless you think Henry took in runaway kids as test subjects, fed them wafer cookies, directly connected his house to CBEAR, and created mannequin robots powered by Nightmare Gas...this theory is killed by the game immediately following 4.

I've not been a fan of the idea of a copy cat. The new game will give us direction to whether Pittrap is a serious character or just trying to copy William.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness Into the Pit actually leans into the copycat idea. Glitchtrap and Pittrap both have a tendency to stare and watch, as if learning. Pittrap once leaving, PERFECTLY replicates Oswald's dad, and nobody notices. Which almost sounds...familiar. As well, Pittrap collects 6 bodies into a backroom set up like a party, rather than the 5 bodies he stuffs into Animatronics in the games.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadnesswhat music is this

The music track is from the RUclips's audio library called... "Court and Page" by Silent Partner.

We're talking about the Dec 2015 Reddit post "Is the book canon"? Reading that post is a theory itself. "The games are what they are, and as I stated before, that story is finished" - based on the Dawko interview; FNAF was only three games long. "...sometimes the lore of something can become so crowded that you can't tell an original story anymore" therefore a separate continuity is produced. Where Phone Guy was in the first trilogy, Charlie the second, FNAF 4 went on to FNAF World, then Sister location went on to Pizzeria Simulator. "So yes, the book is canon, just as the games are. That doesn't mean that they are intended to fit together..." - when I compose my theories I'll use a single clue from a story, even if the clue is minor. "The book is a re-imagining of the FNAF story..." because Scott was able to make more games, books and movies from his original idea. The books are the telling of Charlie's story, the games are Phone Guy, Mike Afton, etc... Have you ever wondered why that Reddit post never made it to the Ultimate Guide? If it's that important why wasn't it on the first page?

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness It literally says in there "Not intended to fit together"

Absolutely it says that. The novel came out after FNAF 4 and the post mentions "some of the reviews in Amazon chastise the book for not matching the games" because "the book is NOT intended to solve anything". Scott doesn't solve previous games with new games or books, but the reviewers expected him to. Charlie's story was not intended to solve FNAF 4, or Phone Guy's story. "So yes, the book is canon, just as the games are".

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness Except The Silver Eyes isn't canon. It's an AU where William only had Elizabeth and became jealous of Henry. An AU where Charlie isn't the Puppet but a robot girl. An AU where Freddy's closed for good in 1985. Stitchline and Talesline are canon, but the original trilogy are not, even if they do have some connections to the future (see: Henry's love for the circus). Want Canon books? Read the Stitchwraith stingers and their associated stories....or the Tales from the Pizzaplex... Or wait until The Week Before which will give us Phone Guys story.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness Except he does? Sister Location explained FNaF 4 was a set of experiments, FFPS explained William was Springtrap and the fate of Henry and Charlie in the games... Actually, Scott specifically has a clarification rule for this stuff. Like...Ruin for example revealing the Mimic was behind everything because people still thought it was William...or HW2 explaining what happened to Cassie's dad.

I don't have the name for the person; as Oswald thought it was "someone in a rabbit suit" (page 30 Into the Pit) I couldn't say the springlock in animatronic mode. I'm reminded of the newspaper articles saying "while video surveillance identified the man responsible and led to his capture the following morning" to which the community thought it's William. But what if it was an employee controlled by the costume? With no memory they couldn't defend themselves when caught. So perhaps random employee? What if the name isn't important at all? The greater mystery isn't who wore the costume but who haunts the costume.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness Orrrr Pittrap is a demon mimicking Williams actions

Happy to answer. Tales from the Pizzaplex book 1 (page 238 - epilogue) "Gil stepped towards the seven foot tall metal skeleton." According to the blueprints of the Circus animatronics; Baby is 7'2", Ballora 6'2", Freddy is 6'0" and Foxy 5'9". The Glamrock Freddy is estimated at 6'2" when compared to Vanessa 5'6" in the basement scene? You can also compare Burntrap in the charging station to be hunched over and taller than the porthole; while Freddy fits comfortably.

@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness Delightfull!! I also really like how you are able to make the books and the games go hand in hand! I've seen so many different takes on how the books play with the games and your theory's, to me at least, are some of the most narativly satisfying.

The current level of theorizing requires either limiting us to talk about a single event with only one source of information or the need to be well versed in all material and complicate it. I find it difficult to draw the line when saying I've gone too far.

leave.

@@southerncoastproductions7587 no one asked you

@@brandonmyers5448 You're not relevant enough to ask someone anything.

Says the guy who makes videos with toys what I do is not your business and I’m not hurting anyone so shut it

I try to introduce motivation for all characters in my theories. Blaming Henry for not stopping the bite of '83 would be reason to punish him with Charlotte, then the Puppet's tears led to Circus Baby's modification, then Elizabeth mistakenly being the victim seemed to tie various characters together. It works for me although Scott may never confirm this. You're second point got me thinking more about Henry and Charlotte. Why did Henry think putting Ella in Charlie would work? If he knew by Pizzeria Simulator that Charlotte was in Puppet why leave her in an abandoned Freddy's restaurant? (Fazbear Frights "You're the band"). If Henry ran the rental facility (how I interpret Candy Cadet's burglar story) then why not collect her earlier? Perhaps Henry thought Charlotte was in a wandering spiritual and the doll could use Charlie to connect with him? Did Henry understand haunting? Is that why Henry never went after Spring Bonnie until later in the timeline? So much to think about.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness I don't believe the plot of the Charlie Bots happenned in the game timeline, so i don't know how to answer your questions related to your interpretations about this topic in the game timeline. About the rag doll Ella: Henry noticed that she had come to life after he had been crying over her continuously for more than two months after Charlotte's death (in the book trilogy). He didn't know that the doll had come to life because of his agony, thinking that it was haunted by Charlotte's soul. He probably decided to put Ella inside the Charlies more as a matter of trying. Since his daughter's attachment to the doll before she died had made Ella become possessed (according to him), maybe Charlotte's soul could be transferred to the Charlie robots if they had contact with the supposedly possessed doll. In the Frights books, we don't know for sure when the FFPS fire happens (and i don't believe in the Stitchlinegames theory). There was once in the epilogues where it said the fire was something that had happenned a long time ago. We know You're the band happens in 2015 (and YTB is canon to the main Stitchline stories, as Timmy's bedroom is seen in one of Larson's visions in the last epilogues), so Henry may not have discovered about the Puppet being possessed by his daughter yet (if we assume the fire happenned in 2023 like in the games). And for William's motives for killing Charlotte, he doesn't need the bite of 83 for this to happen. In the Novel Trilogy, he murdered Henry's daughter because he was obssessed with the fact that Henry was more talented with robotics than him and had a happy family, while William was a spiteful person that always thought the world owned him something. And i prefer to stick with what is explained in the books.

Just as a more broader question about how game versus book timelines are interpreted - Are you of opinion that in a game timeline that Charlie bots didn't exist, that Henry abandoned the diner and only decades later came to find out that Charlotte was haunting the puppet? And in the book timeline would you think Puppet was never haunted. That Ella was haunted, Charlie is an animatronic and Puppet either didn't exist or was possessed by someone else? I genuinely interested as I don't hear many book only timelines. I'm curious who mentioned that the "fire happening a long time ago". Regarding William's obsession - this comes from the discovered journals Sheriff Burke finds in TSE? The community interprets this as split personality. When a search of William's house found a journal of conflicted opinions of good and bad towards Henry, a yellow rabbit costume and old animatronic parts was also found. I see the Spring Bonnie costume haunted so differing opinions of different characters. William praised while Bonnie hated.

I love the feedback. The MCI; as I understand it, is outlined in the FNAF 1 newspaper articles. They include that "two local children were reportedly lured into a back room during the late hours of operations...", then follow up with five children. Oswald returns to 1985 during the day and spends the day playing with his friends where there are six children together in the back room. I suspect the MCI happened in 1987 leading to the arrest of William Afton, mentioned by Sheriff Burke in TSE. Therefore a separate event to 1985. Elizabeth did make the toddler reference. The dates are a guess I made to figure out when teenage Charlie came around. What also could be considered is that Sheriff Burke remembered Charlie showing up not long after Henry did (1983?). Ella was a store bought doll and not an animatronic by Fazbear; therefore unlikely to be animated. Charlie's Ella doll appeared on rail with a cup of tea although that seems more basic mechanical that articulated animatronic. She couldn't appear as a toddler in public without believable movement so I have suggested the first animatronic was 1983. Hence why I consider the 1983 version the toddler version (I think a different term could have been used). The recordings were done from Ella's point of view although I don't identify Ella as a version of Charlie; Charlie always had Ella contained within her. And I do hope that date problem resolves itself in the future.

The Mimic is scary thing that works great in a VR game, although Elizabeth has the better story.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness that’s because it’s a Retcon it’s not scary at all. I don’t get any shivers when I read a book about it online or have any audiobooks about it it’s just not scary but generic and a little forced (in my opinion)

That was during my AI art phase. I've stopped using the tool (dream.ai/create) as some people didn't take too well. I changed to FNAF specificate images while also switching to my recording voice.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness Ok. Thanks for the reply. 👍

I know right. The number of times I've heard a story about what the Puppet did and out of nowhere... Charlie. When did she get involved?

I'm the second. ID's Fantasy made a short about the correct pronunciation for Hurricane and therefore we now know how to say it.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness I’m glad cause I feel like so many people pronounce it as “hurric-ANE” instead of “hurric-UN”, so props to both of you guys ^_^

Its not really a theory and moreso its outright said in lore that ella in charliebot isnt charlie who was killed at 3ish, which almost no one gets

I'll presume you're asking about Pizzeria Simulator when Henry trapped Scrap Baby in the restaurant. With a few connections with Eleanor and Vanny I suspect Elizabeth got out. In my earlier video about Fazbear Frights I discuss how Elizabeth could likely have escaped and became Eleanor. Like all theories - the puzzle pieces don't go together perfectly and some assumption was needed. Elizabeth would know Aunt Jen as any Afton would know the Emily family. It was a small town and the families knew one another. I would suspect William would have stolen Charlie's various bodies; missing from Henry's house. William would also be able to keep track of Charlie. Aunt Jen did raise Charlie after 1987. Elizabeth would likely remove Jen because she knew what body Elizabeth was using.

@AngelTheory-kb8df I've had some time to process this and here's a response to your previous comment that was deleted (FYI - it goes to my email). Aunt Jen and Jane (movie) - Abby and Baby may be the same if Scott Cawthon is subtly making that point and trying to hint at a theory (200+ IQ play if you've solved it). Surface level as names go, Mike Schmitt isn't related to the Emily or Afton families. Elizabeth's connection with Jen would be as minimal as her brother's business partner's daughter; within the novel. Elizabeth betrayed by Aunt Jen - If Jen sold the adult form to William for the money then that would make sense. I would have hoped for a clue about "money was bad for a while", or something like that from Charlie to tie into the story. Although Elizabeth benefitted from getting that body, not betrayed. She gained the freedom to walk around in public. "...trapping her behind the concrete..." could you find the page for this? So what about this idea. One video I made about Candy Cadet was about the story of the kind man and burglar. I assumed it was about Henry running the rental facility. If correct, then that meant he was keeping Circus Baby/Elizabeth inside the concrete walls of the underground rental facility? And from Sister Location we heard from Elizabeth that she pretends - from Henry? But Aunt Jen isn't involved in this interpretation. Jen lied to Elizabeth and played along (page 61/62 graphic novel) even though she knew teenage Charlie was in the house. Jen knew it wasn't Charlie; but may not have known it was Elizabeth. page *73 was were Elizabeth shut down the conversation with Jessica as she likely didn't know what project it was and didn't want to be found out.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness thanks, normally i spend time just trying tie up all the points of fnaf, so i go thinking forward and backward dozens of times, that why i did deleted that comment, because i felt there no enough evidence to talk about it

Sorry about the use of that phrase. It's not something I have used in conversation before and didn't mean to offend.

A bit more to the South, Victoria. I read allot of books during those lockdowns.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness OK phew. So long as you're not from Queensland. *NSW REPRESENT!*

If you love the mystery that is FNAF then you haven't wasn't any of your time. I'll give some responses to the first few topics and come back later to respond to more. "Charlie (*Charlotte) has no friends". She was three years old. Her friends would only be at the restaurant if their parents brought them. She was at the restaurant with Sammy because their father worked there. She was in the costume change room to stay out of the way, not to play with the other children. William would be aware of haunting, that souls carry on. It was Spring Bonnie who had the connection with the souls having gone through the process herself. (My theory of this differs from others). William allowed the crimes to happen but only committed one; Charlotte. The journal gives two differing opinions of Henry - I think William took the opinion of praising him. Charlie is not just AI - the Ella doll is inside her. This, I think, allows memories to be shared with Charlotte who is in the puppet. The AI would be responsible for reasoning, although feelings and soul needs memory. I don't think the use of robots are a search for immortality. Instead the chance to live your life again; only if it was cut short from accidental death.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadnessthanks a lot, i am waiting for :)

That's for the positive vibes. I hope in more videos I can entertain with my different perspective on FNAF.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness well keep trying, i can imagine you having alot of subscribers in the future

I think I'll make a part 2 and include more detail

I went and looked over this episode again. I may have rushed this one. I'm always trying to summarise my ideas due to the drop in audience attention (c/o Analytics). I'm also always aware of episode length and can't spend too much time on past episodes and ideas. I'll look into the next one before publishing.

The idea of separate game and book lore go back to 2015. The post was in response to those that couldn't solve FNAF 4 with Silver Eyes. The books are telling the story of Charlie, FNAF 1-3 Phone Guy & FNAF 4 SL PS UCN are Michael Afton. The books don't solve Phone Guy's games, or Michaels; they are Charlie's story. To me it's the same universe, even if the stories are in groups. I'm trying to understand the various perspectives of characters, each with their own purpose. I'm not created an AU, just working with a complicated single universe, without the Reddit post restriction.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadnessThe Silver Eyes is an AU. If you want to connect books to the games, stick with the frights and Tales.

I'm trying to use events and clues throughout the game and books for build my theories. Although it could be similar to when 'solved' gets thrown around; while just confusing the topic even more. It's the word that draws you in.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness It's kinda not cool if you only use theory to lure viewers while making up 60-70% of stuff without evidence for most of it m

70% !!! Every theorist needs to piece the clues together. I was hoping for closer to 30%. I am trying to decipher Scott's vision for the series; it's my use of books and games together that has me differing greatly from the community ideas.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness I'm gonna say, once you start attempting a story instead of connecting confirmed events in a chronological order. Most things start sounding like something Blackfootferret made, and I'll be surprised if most of his theories are serious.

@@echothesilent4693 ur fatherless.

I think the same way when I hear someone's explanation of the books.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadnessLike Dittophobia, where a child goes through FNaF 4 until it breaks down, and then he leaves and goes to CBEAR and then is told to head back to the Nightmare Experiments by William and/or The Mimic pretending to be Rory's friend.

Neither. Mimic is an old endo with an early operating system buried away for decades. William wouldn't have needed to wrap his body parts on an endo to haunt it, just be in close proximity. Burntrap is just an endo rabbit. With the underground location in Ruin of the pool of water, waterfall and glowing mushrooms we know that location from the Twisted Ones novel. Twisted Bonnie was burnt in just such a pool by gasoline. Burntrap is a level boss for Security Breach, but not the big bad of the entire series.

If I had made the franchise then I couldn't enjoy discovering new theories. I thank Scott for bringing his creative vision to us.

I have the opinion that a character not appearing in game shouldn't mean they don't exist in universe. Charlie (animatronic) would have no place at the FNAF 1, 2 or 3 location; because only a night guard would have access. This doesn't mean Charlie didn't exist. In 1985 TSE John witnesses the animatronics act crazy on stage, Fazbear Frights has Spring Bonnie chase Oswald to the ball-pit; (Foxy Go Go Go) Foxy sees William in the backroom, once William leaves Puppet delivers the masks to the children. If this last part was witnessed by the sheriff then the FNAF 1 line "...now since that's against the rules here at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, they'll probably try to... forcefully stuff you inside a Freddy Fazbear suit" would make sense. These events happen at the same place, but do not reflect on each character's story. Check out ID's Fantasy more recent short "Are the FNAF Books ACTUALLY CANON?" were she brings up how different continuity not reflecting different universes.

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness 1. FNAF is canonically a multiverse. The logo for the Fazbear Fanverse already confirmed that. 2. The Charlie Trilogy directly contradicts the games and can only be canon if the games were made up by the indie dev. (EX: Freddy's shut down for good in 1985, Henry takes his own life, The puppet doesn't exist, CBEAR doesn't exist, William dies entirely different from FFPS). 3. The Pits 1985 isn't real. It's fake. Fazcoins materialize in Oswald's pocket and Pittrap changes what happened to the bodies. As well, in the game, Bonnie flosses and there's a poster for Toy Bonnie. The Pit is either sentient in its own right and Pittrap is just an extension of the pit (creating reasons for Oswald to stay)...or Eleanor herself created Pit-world to extract remnant and Pittrap was made by her to collect agony in her AFK Remnant farm that is the Ballpit

ORRRRR Pittrap is based on the "game of hide and seek" that went wrong that the mimic attempted to replicate....which would explain his behavior as well as why "The Spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticably moved"

It took me too long to realise you're saying "to shorten* it down". Every theory about William is based on him being the cause of events. Theories about experiments on children, search for immortality - they assume it starts with William. Although Silver Eyes Chpt 11 show him as a coward that changes attitude when wearing the Spring Bonnie head. Take William away from the first event and any actions he takes could be for someone else.

When I started the channel I used TTS and AI art and my intros were too long. Following feedback I've gotten to the point sooner, recorded with a mic, and stopped using ai art. It seemed to help the growth of viewers. 😀

who the fuck is andrew?

If Andrew was connected to Fall fest '83 then that could work. I think he's supposed to be with the restaurant victims, so a couple years later.

Andrew is connected with Fetch and Stitchwraith, another vengeful spirit.

An interesting comment. Since FNAF is about to have its 10 year anniversay then you can only be referring to the first game. The name Afton was used later in the Silver Eyes novel, and again in Sister Location. Therefore it must be the idea. I looked for anyone else with the idea but only got fan art. What is 'so late'?

​@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadnessI like that you used facts on him. hahhaha 😂

Few things: 1. FNaF isn't even 10 years old as of right now, it will be in August. 2. William Afton wasn't even named in the first game. He didn't make an actual appearance at all until FNaF 2 in minigame sprite form. He got his official name when The Silver Eyes novel came out the following year, 2015. 3. It's "you're" or "you are". Check your grammar next time as well as your FNaF history before you make yourself look dumb again.

@@FazbearsMenagerieOfMadness ☝🏽🤓

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